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CornBarn 12/16/18 3:36:20 PM #1: |
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Manocheese 12/16/18 8:20:48 PM #2: |
But they're not using true socialism! If only they did things my way, everything would be perfect.
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spudger 12/16/18 8:21:14 PM #3: |
Manocheese posted...
But they're not using true socialism! If only they did things my way, everything would be perfect. Sweden is ok --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zikten 12/16/18 8:21:59 PM #4: |
I recently bought a used n64 from a guy in Venezuela. I kinda feel bad for him
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Doe 12/16/18 8:22:07 PM #5: |
Socialism really lives rent free in peoples heads
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Bio1590 12/16/18 8:22:21 PM #6: |
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Anti-245 12/16/18 8:26:50 PM #8: |
spudger posted...
Manocheese posted...But they're not using true socialism! If only they did things my way, everything would be perfect. Denmark is a better example since they have more state sector control of their economy than Venezuela. --- Life in the DoB. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tennisdude818 12/16/18 8:35:39 PM #9: |
Leftists used to love talking about Venezuela. What changed?
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Anti-245 12/16/18 8:37:29 PM #10: |
tennisdude818 posted...
Leftists used to love talking about Venezuela. What changed? Generalizations will get you nowhere. --- Life in the DoB. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tennisdude818 12/16/18 8:43:15 PM #11: |
Anti-245 posted...
tennisdude818 posted...Leftists used to love talking about Venezuela. What changed? https://www.salon.com/2013/03/06/hugo_chavezs_economic_miracle/ No, Chavez became the bugaboo of American politics because his full-throated advocacy of socialism and redistributionism at once represented a fundamental critique of neoliberal economics, and also delivered some indisputably positive results. Indeed, as shown by some of the most significant indicators, Chavez racked up an economic record that a legacy-obsessed American president could only dream of achieving. --- "I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money." Thomas Sowell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anti-245 12/16/18 8:43:59 PM #12: |
tennisdude818 posted...
Anti-245 posted...tennisdude818 posted...Leftists used to love talking about Venezuela. What changed? Generalizations will get you nowhere. --- Life in the DoB. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CornBarn 12/16/18 8:46:31 PM #14: |
We should send Bernie and his followers to Venezuela.
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thrashmetal14 12/16/18 8:47:32 PM #15: |
Socialism only works in priviledged white countries like Denmark
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A_Good_Boy 12/16/18 8:48:08 PM #16: |
tennisdude818 posted...
Leftists used to love talking about Venezuela. What changed? Who? --- Who is? I am! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anti-245 12/16/18 8:48:18 PM #17: |
Spooking posted...
"These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. Who's the banana republic now?" -Sen. Sanders (VT), 2011 Sanders was, as usual, ignorant of both Latin American and general U.S. history. The "American Dream" is already settler colonialist mentality that must be opposed. --- Life in the DoB. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Anti-245 12/16/18 8:48:42 PM #18: |
thrashmetal14 posted...
Socialism only works in priviledged white countries like Denmark Depends on what you mean by socialism. --- Life in the DoB. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CornBarn 12/16/18 8:54:53 PM #20: |
The only question that matters is whether or not Venezuela's leaders were following Marxian principles. And the answer to that is a categorical yes. They openly stated what they're trying to do and what principles they're following, and it all goes back to what Marx and Engels wrote.
The same was true in the Soviet Union, the entire eastern bloc in Europe, Maoist China, etc. They always openly said what principles they were following and why. It was Marxist principles. Saying it's not socialism is pretty ridiculous, and it doesn't fool anyone. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Tmaster148 12/16/18 8:55:23 PM #21: |
CornBarn posted...
The only question that matters is whether or not Venezuela's leaders were following Marxian principles. And the answer to that is a categorical yes. They openly stated what they're trying to do and what principles they're following, and it all goes back to what Marx and Engels wrote. It certainly would not be a Proudclad topic without him conflating communism with socialism. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tennisdude818 12/16/18 9:11:37 PM #23: |
A_Good_Boy posted...
tennisdude818 posted...Leftists used to love talking about Venezuela. What changed? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thom_Hartmann The Thom Hartmann Program has 6.25 million listeners a week and is one of the top progressive talk radio programs. --- "I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money." Thomas Sowell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ssjevot 12/16/18 9:13:40 PM #24: |
Anti-245 posted...
spudger posted...Manocheese posted...But they're not using true socialism! If only they did things my way, everything would be perfect. Both of those countries are captialist. Why won't this meme about the Nordic model being socialist die already? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_model Although there are significant differences among the Nordic countries, they all share some common traits. These include support for a "universalist" welfare state aimed specifically at enhancing individual autonomy and promoting social mobility; a corporatist system involving a tripartite arrangement where representatives of labor and employers negotiate wages and labor market policy mediated by the government;[6] and a commitment to private ownership (with some caveats), free markets,[7] and free trade.[8] The Nordic model is underpinned by a free market capitalist economic system that features high degrees of private ownership[3] with the exception of Norway, which includes a large number of state-owned enterprises and state ownership in publicly listed firms.[28] --- Favorite Games: BlazBlue: Central Fiction, Street Fighter III: Third Strike, Bayonetta, Bloodborne thats a username you habe - chuckyhacksss ... Copied to Clipboard!
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A_Good_Boy 12/16/18 9:14:22 PM #25: |
Did anyone else talk about Venezuela, or was it just one dude on YouTube?
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Damn_Underscore 12/16/18 9:16:07 PM #26: |
There are no actual examples of successful socialism so socialists have to pretend that the nordic countries are socialist.
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tennisdude818 12/16/18 9:16:07 PM #27: |
A_Good_Boy posted...
Did anyone else talk about Venezuela, or was it just one dude on YouTube? The democrat candidate that Hillary cheated against did as well. --- "I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money." Thomas Sowell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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A_Good_Boy 12/16/18 9:19:14 PM #28: |
tennisdude818 posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...Did anyone else talk about Venezuela, or was it just one dude on YouTube? Before or after their economy crashed? And was he talking about Venezuela specifically or did he lump it in with a series of other countries whose policies he also endorsed in general? --- Who is? I am! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tennisdude818 12/16/18 9:22:23 PM #30: |
A_Good_Boy posted...
tennisdude818 posted...A_Good_Boy posted...Did anyone else talk about Venezuela, or was it just one dude on YouTube? Oh yeah he also praised Argentina. Thanks for the reminder. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/26/imf-increases-argentina-bailout-package.html --- "I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money." Thomas Sowell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tennisdude818 12/16/18 9:26:22 PM #32: |
Godnorgosh posted...
Inflation is a problem with capitalism. Fiat currency is one of the 10 planks of communism. --- "I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money." Thomas Sowell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doom_Art 12/16/18 9:27:20 PM #33: |
"Clearly this means that no one in the US should advocate for affordable tuition or universal healthcare"
is that what you were going for with this TC --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy ... Copied to Clipboard!
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A_Good_Boy 12/16/18 9:27:32 PM #34: |
tennisdude818 posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...tennisdude818 posted... Sanders isn't even mentioned in that article. If shockthemonkey's link and your subsequent posts are any indicator, it's that you're a liar and you're full of shit. --- Who is? I am! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tennisdude818 12/16/18 9:30:58 PM #35: |
A_Good_Boy posted...
tennisdude818 posted...A_Good_Boy posted...tennisdude818 posted... I posted that article to show how Argentina has gone to shit, not to repeat the Sanders quote that you already alluded to. Are you being obtuse on purpose? --- "I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money." Thomas Sowell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CornBarn 12/16/18 9:33:47 PM #36: |
Godnorgosh posted...
Inflation is a problem with capitalism. LOL ... Copied to Clipboard!
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A_Good_Boy 12/16/18 9:34:37 PM #37: |
tennisdude818 posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...tennisdude818 posted... You literally said "he also praised Argentina". Try for full sentences instead of hot takes if you don't want to be misunderstood. Either way, you're still wrong and you're misconstruing a statement that Sanders didn't even make. Not exactly the best position to be in if you're gonna call other people obtuse. --- Who is? I am! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doom_Art 12/16/18 9:35:02 PM #38: |
Bio1590 posted...
Hi Proudclad Wait @CornBarn is Proudclad? --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tennisdude818 12/16/18 9:39:21 PM #39: |
A_Good_Boy posted...
tennisdude818 posted...A_Good_Boy posted...tennisdude818 posted... Yes, because Argentina was one of the countries referenced in the quote that you alluded to. It couldn't have possibly been that hard to understand why I posted an article referencing an economic disaster in Argentina. And no shit, leftists are trying to walk back Bernie's comments about a socialist basket case. --- "I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money." Thomas Sowell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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A_Good_Boy 12/16/18 9:41:08 PM #40: |
tennisdude818 posted...
Prove Bernie wrote that quote. Cause the link up there makes a pretty convincing case that he didn't even say that. So can you actually prove its something he said and not just you being obtuse? --- Who is? I am! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CornBarn 12/16/18 9:44:25 PM #41: |
https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/must-read/close-the-gaps-disparities-that-threaten-america
These days, the American dream is more apt to be realized in South America, in places such as Ecuador, Venezuela and Argentina, where incomes are actually more equal today than they are in the land of Horatio Alger. Who's the banana republic now? lmao ... Copied to Clipboard!
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A_Good_Boy 12/16/18 9:46:01 PM #42: |
CornBarn posted...
https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/must-read/close-the-gaps-disparities-that-threaten-america Cool beans. Who's it by? The author is written write there, right above the text you quoted. Who was it that wrote that piece? --- Who is? I am! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doom_Art 12/16/18 9:48:42 PM #44: |
A_Good_Boy posted...
Cool beans. Who's it by? The author is written write there, right above the text you quoted. Who was it that wrote that piece? This Valley News Editorial Board person sure seems extreme --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy ... Copied to Clipboard!
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tennisdude818 12/16/18 9:51:14 PM #45: |
A_Good_Boy posted...
CornBarn posted...https://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/must-read/close-the-gaps-disparities-that-threaten-america People attribute a view on www.sanders.senate.gov to Bernie Sanders. That sounds pretty reasonable. --- "I have never understood why it is greed to want to keep the money you have earned but not greed to want to take somebody else's money." Thomas Sowell ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Doom_Art 12/16/18 9:52:59 PM #47: |
tennisdude818 posted...
People attribute a view on www.sanders.senate.gov to Bernie Sanders. That sounds pretty reasonable. You seemed to have a different opinion on this sort of thing when we discussed those newsletters Ron Paul "wrote" --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CornBarn 12/16/18 9:54:24 PM #48: |
Well at least you guys aren't trying to damage control for Venezuela or socialism and are instead trying to distance Bernie from all that nonsense.
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A_Good_Boy 12/16/18 9:56:59 PM #49: |
tennisdude818 posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...CornBarn posted... The salience of that article was about race, job, investment, and wealth inequality. Don't you think the 7 preceding paragraphs carry more significance to the final 1? Venezuela failing means that there's no race or wealth gap in America? And Sanders still didn't even write it anyways, so don't know why people are linking literal proof that he didn't and are trying to use it as a gotcha. --- Who is? I am! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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