Current Events > So a judge just ruled Obamacare/ACA unconstitutional.

(+) Yeah! (+)

Good luck poor people living in the south. You'll never see a hospital bed again.
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o well I liked having health care while it lasted
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BLAKUboy posted...

It's just some asshole in Texas. It'll get overturned.

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You're misinterpreting the ruling then, because the ACA was already determined to be legal by the supreme court years ago. A lower court cannot rule otherwise under any circumstance.
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BLAKUboy posted...

BLAKUboy posted...

It's just some asshole in Texas. It'll get overturned.

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[citation needed]

Sayoria posted...

Good luck poor people living in the south. You'll never see a hospital bed again.

This cant be good for 45s 2020 election prospects lol

Its just Texas doing some sort of symbolic idiocy they can't do because "LIBERALS SOCIALISM" or whatever....
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Caelthus posted...

You're misinterpreting the ruling then, because the ACA was already determined to be legal by the supreme court years ago. A lower court cannot rule otherwise under any circumstance.

They changed the law removing the penalty for not having insurance. That was one of the key arguments originally to the Supreme Court.
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https://apnews.com/5d727a66c8b54228b9e550072b9687a9
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Think this goes to the Supreme Court??

Now the ball is in Kavanaughs court lmfao
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So... getting rid of the totally-not-a-tax-you-guys "penalty" somehow makes the whole thing unconstitutional?
"We changed the thing we hated and - oh no - it's invalid now!"

This is 80's teen movie villain levels of shenanigans, somehow.

i dunno

Get rid of Obamacare. Lets see now that works for in 2020 magaboys

Questionmarktarius posted...

So... getting rid of the totally-not-a-tax-you-guys "penalty" somehow makes the whole thing unconstitutional?
"We changed the thing we hated and - oh no - it's invalid now!"

This is 80's teen movie villain levels of shenanigans, somehow.

i dunno

https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/constitutionality-affordable-care-act-update/2012-11

Summary of why it was originally declared constitutional might clear some stuff up for you.
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KILBOTz posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

So... getting rid of the totally-not-a-tax-you-guys "penalty" somehow makes the whole thing unconstitutional?
"We changed the thing we hated and - oh no - it's invalid now!"

This is 80's teen movie villain levels of shenanigans, somehow.

i dunno

https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/article/constitutionality-affordable-care-act-update/2012-11

Summary of why it was originally declared constitutional might clear some stuff up for you.

Huh. The 80s teen movie villain tactic actually works here.

Not to mention to possible Trump voters, he will just say "democrat led congress was unable to create a working law to replace one that was declared unconstitional. The lack of insurance falls on them." Of course ignoring the fact that republicans passed the bill to remove the penalty.

5D chess indeed.
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Caelthus posted...

You're misinterpreting the ruling then, because the ACA was already determined to be legal by the supreme court years ago. A lower court cannot rule otherwise under any circumstance.

Not true - they can rule it unconstitutional for any reason outside of the 'it's not a tax' argument.

It literally is unconstitutional, because the government has no legal authority to force you to enter any marketplace, much less an in-state one.
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How hilarious would it be if Trump establishes a national system?

Incidentally, I feel the need to invest in popcorn futures for some reason.

KILBOTz posted...

Caelthus posted...

You're misinterpreting the ruling then, because the ACA was already determined to be legal by the supreme court years ago. A lower court cannot rule otherwise under any circumstance.

They changed the law removing the penalty for not having insurance. That was one of the key arguments originally to the Supreme Court.

What's with all those anti-sodomy laws that we declared unconstitutional but never forced to be removed from the books?
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Questionmarktarius posted...

How hilarious would it be if Trump establishes a national system?

Incidentally, I feel the need to invest in popcorn futures for some reason.

I wish they would establish a nationalized healthcare system. But I wouldn't hold my breath for it.
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BLAKUboy posted...

BLAKUboy posted...

It's just some asshole in Texas. It'll get overturned.

I'm sure rather than celebrating the federal judges blocking Trump's policies such as the travel ban, you stumped around the topics pointing out that it was just some asshole in Hawaii.

But we know that's not true.
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Esrac posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

How hilarious would it be if Trump establishes a national system?

Incidentally, I feel the need to invest in popcorn futures for some reason.

I wish they would establish a nationalized healthcare system. But I wouldn't hold my breath for it.

If passing a national healthcare law could help them and harm democrats they will come to the table. Maybe shoot down the first pure democrat one and then have an R written bill that's good enough to get votes.
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byron posted...

ThePrinceFish posted...

BLAKUboy posted...

BLAKUboy posted...

It's just some asshole in Texas. It'll get overturned.

I'm sure rather than celebrating the federal judges blocking Trump's policies such as the travel ban, you stumped around the topics pointing out that it was just some asshole in Hawaii.

But we know that's not true.

It's almost like someone can have opinions on rulings and not just be 100% for or against judge rulings. How insane!

Right. My side patriot, your side "just some asshole," gotcha.
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Questionmarktarius posted...

How hilarious would it be if Trump establishes a national system?

Incidentally, I feel the need to invest in popcorn futures for some reason.

Won't happen. Both parties want such fundamentally different things that a healthcare plan that can pass through the Democratic house and the Republican senate AND not get vetoed by Trump is a pipe dream

Though, if you took Obamacare, kept it identical and renamed it to TrumpCare, Trump would love it. See the rebranded NAFTA
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It was a bad idea from the start.

The system we have isnt great, so lets change it to something thats ten times worse!
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JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...

You do realize under the hippo ratio oath that all who are ill must be treated regardless of their income, right? I realize things are more nuanced than this, but just wanted to check since you claim poor people in the south will never see a hospital bed.

Okay, and how does a poor person with no job, no insurance, and cancer seek treatment in the US?

_Rinku_ posted...

JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...

You do realize under the hippo ratio oath that all who are ill must be treated regardless of their income, right? I realize things are more nuanced than this, but just wanted to check since you claim poor people in the south will never see a hospital bed.

Okay, and how does a poor person with no job, no insurance, and cancer seek treatment in the US?

Go to hospital? They cant deny service even if you cant pay.
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Mistere Man posted...

_Rinku_ posted...

JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...

You do realize under the hippo ratio oath that all who are ill must be treated regardless of their income, right? I realize things are more nuanced than this, but just wanted to check since you claim poor people in the south will never see a hospital bed.

Okay, and how does a poor person with no job, no insurance, and cancer seek treatment in the US?

Go to hospital? They cant deny service even if you cant pay.

They can financially ruin you. Debt collectors calling your phone and harassing you at home. People in this country have declared bankruptcy over medical bills and that isnt right.
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Mistere Man posted...

_Rinku_ posted...

JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...

You do realize under the hippo ratio oath that all who are ill must be treated regardless of their income, right? I realize things are more nuanced than this, but just wanted to check since you claim poor people in the south will never see a hospital bed.

Okay, and how does a poor person with no job, no insurance, and cancer seek treatment in the US?

Go to hospital? They cant deny service even if you cant pay.

For emergency/critical situations, yeah. I dont think chemotherapy falls under that

Either way its die from it or die from the ruins your life will be in from debt
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Mistere Man posted...

_Rinku_ posted...

JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...

You do realize under the hippo ratio oath that all who are ill must be treated regardless of their income, right? I realize things are more nuanced than this, but just wanted to check since you claim poor people in the south will never see a hospital bed.

Okay, and how does a poor person with no job, no insurance, and cancer seek treatment in the US?

Go to hospital? They cant deny service even if you cant pay.

For chemo they sure can. They will redirect you to the ER to prevent anything that will immediately kill you, but they have no more obligation than that.

Payzmaykr posted...

Mistere Man posted...

_Rinku_ posted...

JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...

You do realize under the hippo ratio oath that all who are ill must be treated regardless of their income, right? I realize things are more nuanced than this, but just wanted to check since you claim poor people in the south will never see a hospital bed.

Okay, and how does a poor person with no job, no insurance, and cancer seek treatment in the US?

Go to hospital? They cant deny service even if you cant pay.

They can financially ruin you. Debt collectors calling your phone and harassing you at home. People in this country have declared bankruptcy over medical bills and that isnt right.

They already dont have a job, and bankruptcy isnt as bad as it sounds.
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I liked having good health care before Obama fucked it up
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Mistere Man posted...

Payzmaykr posted...

Mistere Man posted...

_Rinku_ posted...

JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...

You do realize under the hippo ratio oath that all who are ill must be treated regardless of their income, right? I realize things are more nuanced than this, but just wanted to check since you claim poor people in the south will never see a hospital bed.

Okay, and how does a poor person with no job, no insurance, and cancer seek treatment in the US?

Go to hospital? They cant deny service even if you cant pay.

They can financially ruin you. Debt collectors calling your phone and harassing you at home. People in this country have declared bankruptcy over medical bills and that isnt right.

They already dont have a job, and bankruptcy isnt as bad as it sounds.

"Just declare bankruptcy so you don't die!"

Do you understand how utterly heartless and clueless that sounds?

Mistere Man posted...

Payzmaykr posted...

Mistere Man posted...

_Rinku_ posted...

JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...

You do realize under the hippo ratio oath that all who are ill must be treated regardless of their income, right? I realize things are more nuanced than this, but just wanted to check since you claim poor people in the south will never see a hospital bed.

Okay, and how does a poor person with no job, no insurance, and cancer seek treatment in the US?

Go to hospital? They cant deny service even if you cant pay.

They can financially ruin you. Debt collectors calling your phone and harassing you at home. People in this country have declared bankruptcy over medical bills and that isnt right.

They already dont have a job, and bankruptcy isnt as bad as it sounds.

Fuck off mate.
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_Rinku_ posted...

Mistere Man posted...

Payzmaykr posted...

Mistere Man posted...

_Rinku_ posted...

JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...

You do realize under the hippo ratio oath that all who are ill must be treated regardless of their income, right? I realize things are more nuanced than this, but just wanted to check since you claim poor people in the south will never see a hospital bed.

Okay, and how does a poor person with no job, no insurance, and cancer seek treatment in the US?

Go to hospital? They cant deny service even if you cant pay.

They can financially ruin you. Debt collectors calling your phone and harassing you at home. People in this country have declared bankruptcy over medical bills and that isnt right.

They already dont have a job, and bankruptcy isnt as bad as it sounds.

"Just declare bankruptcy so you don't die!"

Do you understand how utterly heartless and clueless that sounds?

Yeah, seriously. Sometimes its easy to be idealistic about these things until people close to you get railroaded over an unexpected injury.

NOBODY should receive a $10,000 bill from the hospital for a plaster cast and an X-ray. Nobody should be forced to have PAYMENT PLANS for a medical emergency.

Nobody should go bankrupt over medical expenses, regardless of the fact that some people think bankruptcy isnt that bad.
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muchdran posted...

I liked having good health care before Obama fucked it up

I like that my friends with pre-existing conditions can get insurance and not just die now.

Obamacare isn't perfect, but it's better than what we had. Universal healthcare would be preferable though.

Why are people acting like Obamacare is good? It's not. It's terrible just like the entire hralth system.
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Siaperaz posted...

Why are people acting like Obamacare is good? It's not. It's terrible just like the entire hralth system.

It's not good, but it's better than the shit that it replaced

Lifetime caps, no allowance for preexisting conditions, difficulty for low income families to get insurance
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_Rinku_ posted...

Mistere Man posted...

Payzmaykr posted...

Mistere Man posted...

_Rinku_ posted...

JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...

You do realize under the hippo ratio oath that all who are ill must be treated regardless of their income, right? I realize things are more nuanced than this, but just wanted to check since you claim poor people in the south will never see a hospital bed.

Okay, and how does a poor person with no job, no insurance, and cancer seek treatment in the US?

Go to hospital? They cant deny service even if you cant pay.

They can financially ruin you. Debt collectors calling your phone and harassing you at home. People in this country have declared bankruptcy over medical bills and that isnt right.

They already dont have a job, and bankruptcy isnt as bad as it sounds.

"Just declare bankruptcy so you don't die!"

Do you understand how utterly heartless and clueless that sounds?

I dont mean to sound heartless but you said a person with no job or insurance with cancer. Is a person with no job really worried about their financial situation? Get the treatment bankrupt and heck look for a job once better.

For the record I have no job, I have no insurance, and heck I have been told I have signs I may have cancer. If I cared to get treated I wouldnt worry about claiming bankruptcy. Or heck just dont pay them as lets see them get it from someone with no job or income.

Also there are organizations that can help people that want it to get treatment even without insurance.
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Payzmaykr posted...

Mistere Man posted...

_Rinku_ posted...

JACKBUTTMOMMY posted...

You do realize under the hippo ratio oath that all who are ill must be treated regardless of their income, right? I realize things are more nuanced than this, but just wanted to check since you claim poor people in the south will never see a hospital bed.

Okay, and how does a poor person with no job, no insurance, and cancer seek treatment in the US?

Go to hospital? They cant deny service even if you cant pay.

They can financially ruin you. Debt collectors calling your phone and harassing you at home. People in this country have declared bankruptcy over medical bills and that isnt right.

unfortunately hospitals cost money to run to pay "employee's" a salary or wage for services but everyone is still on the hook for any service. i still owe money from a seizure incident but not to the hospital (didn't think that would happen to me but dehydration can cause it) only thing i remember is waking up in the back of an ambulance being told by my brother i was found slumped over in my chair having that condition happen it broke my back for a month as well.
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@kingdrake2

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Its not economically possible to give healthcare to everyone. Especially with an aging population. The real crime is not allowing people to sign off in their own terms. Especially with only 2-5 years before we have another massive market crash and society breaks down even further.
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Crepes posted...

Its not economically possible to give healthcare to everyone. Especially with an aging population. The real crime is not allowing people to sign off in their own terms. Especially with only 2-5 years before we have another massive market crash and society breaks down even further.

Saving 5 trillion dollars. That's Trillion with a "T" B**** LoL
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kingdrake2 posted...

unfortunately hospitals cost money to run to pay "employee's" a salary or wage for services but everyone is still on the hook for any service. i still owe money from a seizure incident but not to the hospital (didn't think that would happen to me but dehydration can cause it) only thing i remember is waking up in the back of an ambulance being told by my brother i was found slumped over in my chair having that condition happen it broke my back for a month as well.

yeah, if only there was some way to collect funds from citizens to pay for societal services
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Link43130 posted...

kingdrake2 posted...

unfortunately hospitals cost money to run to pay "employee's" a salary or wage for services but everyone is still on the hook for any service. i still owe money from a seizure incident but not to the hospital (didn't think that would happen to me but dehydration can cause it) only thing i remember is waking up in the back of an ambulance being told by my brother i was found slumped over in my chair having that condition happen it broke my back for a month as well.

yeah, if only there was some way to collect funds from citizens to pay for societal services

Yeah it's called this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8mw1-KGCQg" data-time="
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The Supreme Court is going to laugh this out of the courtroom
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gunplagirl posted...

KILBOTz posted...

Caelthus posted...

You're misinterpreting the ruling then, because the ACA was already determined to be legal by the supreme court years ago. A lower court cannot rule otherwise under any circumstance.

They changed the law removing the penalty for not having insurance. That was one of the key arguments originally to the Supreme Court.

What's with all those anti-sodomy laws that we declared unconstitutional but never forced to be removed from the books?

Write your senator, tell them it's your god given right to get your fart box pounded out.
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