Current Events > PSA: The host I use for imgtc has decided to shut it off

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frozenshock
12/14/18 11:09:49 AM
#52:


Ambience posted...
frozenshock posted...
Technically, you would be supposed to personally review every single image that someone uploads in order to prevent anything that violates copyright or that is CP or something.

Obviously that is impossible to do unless you have sizeable full time staff.

Shit, I never really thought of stuff like that. So there are people poring through millions of imgur images to make sure they are ToS friendly? Even ones that aren't shared and thus not flagged?


I dont know what imgur does, but techically you are responsible for what people upload to your site. This is why youtube is so anal when they get copyright complaints

It sucks
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Ambience
12/14/18 11:10:03 AM
#53:


Ray_Dorset posted...
I've never had any issues with hoth or electric bugs actually,so I'm not going to blame them or anyone else.

I do have tools to monitor and remove each upload, but I've never seen content personally that would lead to getting cut off like this.

Can you request they show you the content that violates their ToS? Seems unfair if not.
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PiOverlord
12/14/18 11:10:22 AM
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Do they have an email or any other form of contact we can bombard them with?
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P4wn4g3
12/14/18 11:10:24 AM
#55:


Hey is this the result of that shitty law that says website owners are liable for bad content users happen to put up? I bet it is!
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Ray_Dorset
12/14/18 11:11:03 AM
#56:


Ambience posted...
Ray_Dorset posted...
I've never had any issues with hoth or electric bugs actually,so I'm not going to blame them or anyone else.

I do have tools to monitor and remove each upload, but I've never seen content personally that would lead to getting cut off like this.

Can you request they show you the content that violates their ToS? Seems unfair if not.


I emailed them asking this, I hope they'll let me know. Pretty ridiculous to shut me off for a dmca complaint without telling me which picture(s) it is
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frozenshock
12/14/18 11:12:20 AM
#57:


Honestly TC would be better off finding an offshore server. Some gambling sites are known to do this to get around US laws
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Vyrulisse
12/14/18 11:12:53 AM
#58:


You'd think they would warn you if such things were happening instead of just closing you down.
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ssj3vegeta_
12/14/18 11:13:25 AM
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ASithLord7
12/14/18 11:15:40 AM
#60:


This is a dark day for CE...
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Gafemage
12/14/18 11:16:07 AM
#61:


Vyrulisse posted...
You'd think they would warn you if such things were happening instead of just closing you down.

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P4wn4g3
12/14/18 11:18:27 AM
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It's a small startup site, not imgur or anything, so naturally the service providers don't give a fuck.
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Terra-enforcer
12/14/18 11:18:34 AM
#63:


Wow that's some BS. Thanks for your hard work tho TC
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Chicken
12/14/18 11:19:19 AM
#65:


It was a breeding ground for child pornography. Fair next.
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Alpha218
12/14/18 11:21:02 AM
#67:


Ambience posted...
frozenshock posted...
Technically, you would be supposed to personally review every single image that someone uploads in order to prevent anything that violates copyright or that is CP or something.

Obviously that is impossible to do unless you have sizeable full time staff.

Shit, I never really thought of stuff like that. So there are people poring through millions of imgur images to make sure they are ToS friendly? Even ones that aren't shared and thus not flagged?

Do they want to get shut down for hosting CP? No. No they dont.
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Ray_Dorset
12/14/18 11:22:18 AM
#68:


Yeah, it would've been great if I had been notified by them of the dmca complaint so I could've taken it down the other day and prevented this from happening. But like P4wn4g3 says, it's still a very small site and just a drop in the bucket compared to others
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Ambience
12/14/18 11:23:26 AM
#69:


Chicken posted...
It was a breeding ground for child pornography. Fair next.

Might have found your culprit, TC
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P4wn4g3
12/14/18 11:25:23 AM
#70:


Just move your business elsewhere, it's not in your best interest to fuck around with them.
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catboy0_0
12/14/18 11:26:21 AM
#71:


>mfw when imgtc is experiencing issues
aUmRZos
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frozenshock
12/14/18 11:27:48 AM
#72:


TC, you could try finding a web host in the Cayman Islands (.ky)

This would shield you from DMCA-related problems

You could try looking some up and see if you find something that suits you

https://www.101domain.com/web-hosting-ky-cayman-islands.htm

https://www.whtop.com/top.10-alexa-ranking/country-ky
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Ray_Dorset
12/14/18 11:31:50 AM
#74:


The dmca complaints themselves never bothered me much, I've handled a good amount in the past without issue. Will definitely be moving hosts after this though, for sure.
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voldothegr8
12/14/18 11:40:43 AM
#76:


I'm pretty sure pics can still be embedded via gfycat
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P4wn4g3
12/14/18 11:41:42 AM
#77:


Also @Magna_Stryker does some website stuff as well here. Not sure who else really is doing above board hosting these days.
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Kitt
12/14/18 11:46:49 AM
#78:


Ambience posted...
Chicken posted...
It was a breeding ground for child pornography. Fair next.

Might have found your culprit, TC

Yeah, what a weird thing to say. How the fuck would anybody even guess/know that?
I've only ever knew it as a place where we uploaded silly pictures and posted them here.
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Popcorn_Fairy
12/14/18 11:47:39 AM
#79:


voldothegr8 posted...
I'm pretty sure pics can still be embedded via gfycat


Looks like they only do gifs.
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GallisOTK
12/14/18 11:52:27 AM
#81:


That's unfortunate. Hopefully you get it up and running again soon.
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voldothegr8
12/14/18 11:59:37 AM
#82:


Popcorn_Fairy posted...
voldothegr8 posted...
I'm pretty sure pics can still be embedded via gfycat


Looks like they only do gifs.

There's a way to do straight pics, a regular in the One Piece topics uses it for pics all the time. For example:

IdealFamiliarIndochinesetiger-size_restricted
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P4wn4g3
12/14/18 12:02:38 PM
#83:


thats a gif
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The Rogue Cobra
12/14/18 12:15:53 PM
#84:


Oh goddamnit.
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Ray_Dorset
12/14/18 12:23:34 PM
#85:


The Rogue Cobra posted...
Oh goddamnit.


Yeah, it sucks because I've been keeping my backups with them too. Still no word from them 2.5 hours later
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Rimmer_Dall
12/14/18 12:23:56 PM
#86:


Ray_Dorset posted...
https://i.postimg.cc/90VPWDqh/Screenshot-20181214-103200-Proton-Mail.jpg

This is all I've gotten from them. Came home from work so I have my laptop. Can't ssh in right now, and my DO account is locked. There is a second ticket opened Wednesday about a dmca complaint, but it includes no info and they never sent me an email about it. Waiting to hear back about unlocking the server temporarily to switch hosts

Translation: We're being pressured by reddit/imgur and ideologues who happen to have a bunch of CP lying around on their harddrives that are trying to do the same exact thing to imgtc that they did to slimgur.

reddit hard bans all OP links to slimgur, the image host announced recently as a competitor to imgur due to imgur's political/ideological censorship of fat criticism images. imgur and reddit have common investors.
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/39nang/reddit_hard_bans_all_op_links_to_slimgur_the/
Imgur alternative Slimgur attacked with child porn uploads after Reddit AMA.
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3rd61v/imgur_alternative_slimgur_attacked_with_child/
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TheMikh
12/14/18 12:25:07 PM
#87:


Have you considered migrating to AWS?
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snesmaster40
12/14/18 12:37:17 PM
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Ugh. That sucks.
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Ray_Dorset
12/14/18 12:38:41 PM
#89:


Rimmer_Dall posted...
Ray_Dorset posted...
https://i.postimg.cc/90VPWDqh/Screenshot-20181214-103200-Proton-Mail.jpg

This is all I've gotten from them. Came home from work so I have my laptop. Can't ssh in right now, and my DO account is locked. There is a second ticket opened Wednesday about a dmca complaint, but it includes no info and they never sent me an email about it. Waiting to hear back about unlocking the server temporarily to switch hosts

Translation: We're being pressured by reddit/imgur and ideologues who happen to have a bunch of CP lying around on their harddrives that are trying to do the same exact thing to imgtc that they did to slimgur.

reddit hard bans all OP links to slimgur, the image host announced recently as a competitor to imgur due to imgur's political/ideological censorship of fat criticism images. imgur and reddit have common investors.
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/39nang/reddit_hard_bans_all_op_links_to_slimgur_the/
Imgur alternative Slimgur attacked with child porn uploads after Reddit AMA.
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3rd61v/imgur_alternative_slimgur_attacked_with_child/


I remember that happening, you're right. I made a post on that sub to get other peoples feedback too. Maybe it is some underhanded attempt to stifle competition, seeing as how imgtc was growing solidly all summer long.

TheMikh posted...
Have you considered migrating to AWS?


Yes, but their bandwidth costs would've killed me in the beginning. I think it's something like $65+ per terabyte, whereas the first 4tb are free with my current host
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GasMonkey
12/14/18 12:45:32 PM
#90:


idk, its working for me. takes a second for the page to come up but it does.
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P4wn4g3
12/14/18 12:45:48 PM
#91:


Ray_Dorset posted...
Still no word from them 2.5 hours later

Just hit them with a contract violation suit and move on.

Ray_Dorset posted...
I've been keeping my backups with them too.

Whoops
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TheMikh
12/14/18 12:48:04 PM
#92:


Yes, but their bandwidth costs would've killed me in the beginning. I think it's something like $65+ per terabyte, whereas the first 4tb are free with my current host

What is your current model for funding the site?
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AlecSkorpio
12/14/18 12:49:20 PM
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Alpha218
12/14/18 12:51:58 PM
#94:


Rimmer_Dall posted...
Ray_Dorset posted...
https://i.postimg.cc/90VPWDqh/Screenshot-20181214-103200-Proton-Mail.jpg

This is all I've gotten from them. Came home from work so I have my laptop. Can't ssh in right now, and my DO account is locked. There is a second ticket opened Wednesday about a dmca complaint, but it includes no info and they never sent me an email about it. Waiting to hear back about unlocking the server temporarily to switch hosts

Translation: We're being pressured by reddit/imgur and ideologues who happen to have a bunch of CP lying around on their harddrives that are trying to do the same exact thing to imgtc that they did to slimgur.

reddit hard bans all OP links to slimgur, the image host announced recently as a competitor to imgur due to imgur's political/ideological censorship of fat criticism images. imgur and reddit have common investors.
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/39nang/reddit_hard_bans_all_op_links_to_slimgur_the/
Imgur alternative Slimgur attacked with child porn uploads after Reddit AMA.
https://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/3rd61v/imgur_alternative_slimgur_attacked_with_child/

Ah yes, slimgur, the competitor that was founded after /r/fatpeoplehate got banned from using imgur after they doxxed employees.

Given the circles it was popular in I wouldnt be surprised if the story we were all told was true (not that imgur is a good site or anything, but it was basically the proto-alt-right that was using that site).
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Ray_Dorset
12/14/18 12:52:47 PM
#95:


P4wn4g3 posted...
Ray_Dorset posted...
Still no word from them 2.5 hours later

Just hit them with a contract violation suit and move on.

Ray_Dorset posted...
I've been keeping my backups with them too.

Whoops


I'm already going through all the legal info on their site to see what I can do exactly

TheMikh posted...
Yes, but their bandwidth costs would've killed me in the beginning. I think it's something like $65+ per terabyte, whereas the first 4tb are free with my current host

What is your current model for funding the site?


It's been out of pocket until now, totaling around $100 per month. Cloudflare helps cut down on bandwidth costs and the included bandwidth on the server keeps the cost pretty low. It would be more than $300 a month with AWS I believe.
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snesmaster40
12/14/18 12:53:59 PM
#96:


GasMonkey posted...
idk, its working for me. takes a second for the page to come up but it does.


I'm guessing that's just a cached version of the site that your browser saved. Try on another browser or press Ctrl + F5 for a full refresh.
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Alexanaxela
12/14/18 12:54:22 PM
#97:


this sucks, imgtc was awesome

wonder if crappy imgur is behind it
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GasMonkey
12/14/18 12:54:46 PM
#98:


correction. all the already posted links still work. even ones i havent clicked before. but the rest is down... fuck
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P4wn4g3
12/14/18 12:57:44 PM
#99:


Ray_Dorset posted...
I'm already going through all the legal info on their site to see what I can do exactly

Nah my dude you need to consult a civil lawyer. If you know lawyers ask for references to a good one that deals in contract violations.

In the interim just put up a gofundme if you need money for new hosting and people here will donate to the cause.
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FL81
12/14/18 12:59:01 PM
#100:


I was wondering why my sig images had trouble loading

Thanks for the quick update on this TC, hope everything gets sorted out soon
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snesmaster40
12/14/18 12:59:43 PM
#101:


GasMonkey posted...
correction. all the already posted links still work. even ones i havent clicked before. but the rest is down... fuck


Oh. Those work, because the images were saved to your hard drive.
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