Current Events > Captain Marvel and How SJW Feminism Ruined the MCU

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How many YouTube videos are we gonna see like this?
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It'll finally give them something else to whine about. TLJ been living rent free in their heads for so long.
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Dampproof posted...

It'll finally give them something else to whine about. TLJ been living rent free in their heads for so long.

TLJ was not SJW, it was fucking racist as shit and went out of it's way to excuse the violence of the young white male. So yeah that isn't what one normally calls SJW.
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Lol no one cares about Carl Manvers.
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cjsdowg posted...

and went out of it's way to excuse the violence of the young white male.

.....what
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What do you mean "gonna see".
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

cjsdowg posted...

and went out of it's way to excuse the violence of the young white male.

.....what

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

cjsdowg posted...

and went out of it's way to excuse the violence of the young white male.

.....what

About halfway through Star Wars: The Last Jedi, a character remarks, Good guys, bad guys made up words. The franchises characters are historically known to see everything in black or white, much to their detriment. Its no coincidence someone would make this observation in a film that puts in so much effort to show that its unclear who the bad guy truly is in the current Star Wars universe.

The Last Jedi is very much Kylo Rens story. The tormented villain is one of the best new characters, largely because of Adam Drivers award-worthy portrayal. Kylo Ren is not simply a monster in a mask. Hes done terrible things, but hes still a victim. He cant stop because he has no healthy coping mechanisms, following the trauma he suffered as a child. The sequel to 2015s Star Wars: The Force Awakens divulges the precise moment the Jedi formerly known as Ben Solo turned to the Dark Side. The game-changing scene shows its not Kylo who is the the sagas villain, but those who failed him as a child.

Mainly, Luke Skywalker.

Luke was horrified at the raw strength he felt in Ben, and evil Supreme Leader Snokes perceived influence. Remembering his own fathers catastrophic embrace of the Dark Side, Luke, however briefly, considered killing his Padawan. He drew his lightsaber in order to strike Ben dead as he slept, as a preventive measure. But, Ben woke up, and thats what instigated Kylos attack on Luke and the Jedi.

https://www.themarysue.com/kylo-ren-childhood-abuse/

Finn is kept FAR away from her.

And now you have people rooting for Rey and Rin to get together because he is just a poor soul.
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cjsdowg posted...

https://www.themarysue.com/kylo-ren-childhood-abuse/

Finn is kept FAR away from her.

And now you have people rooting for Rey and Rin to get together because he is just a poor soul.

Well yeah Kylo Ren is quite obviously someone with abandonment issues. That doesn't really excuse anything he does. It makes him more of a person than a caricature, but it excuses nothing. Just like I'm sure you'll find plenty of young men in neo-Nazi movements who have mental health issues.
Now, if IIRC (correct me if I'm wrong), the "good guys, bad guys" quote is said by an arms dealer who's playing both sides, benefiting from the war? It makes perfect sense for him to somehow rationalize his stance. But just because a character says it, doesn't mean that it's the message of the movie.
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cjsdowg posted...

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

cjsdowg posted...

and went out of it's way to excuse the violence of the young white male.

.....what

About halfway through Star Wars: The Last Jedi, a character remarks, Good guys, bad guys made up words. The franchises characters are historically known to see everything in black or white, much to their detriment. Its no coincidence someone would make this observation in a film that puts in so much effort to show that its unclear who the bad guy truly is in the current Star Wars universe.

The Last Jedi is very much Kylo Rens story. The tormented villain is one of the best new characters, largely because of Adam Drivers award-worthy portrayal. Kylo Ren is not simply a monster in a mask. Hes done terrible things, but hes still a victim. He cant stop because he has no healthy coping mechanisms, following the trauma he suffered as a child. The sequel to 2015s Star Wars: The Force Awakens divulges the precise moment the Jedi formerly known as Ben Solo turned to the Dark Side. The game-changing scene shows its not Kylo who is the the sagas villain, but those who failed him as a child.

Mainly, Luke Skywalker.

Luke was horrified at the raw strength he felt in Ben, and evil Supreme Leader Snokes perceived influence. Remembering his own fathers catastrophic embrace of the Dark Side, Luke, however briefly, considered killing his Padawan. He drew his lightsaber in order to strike Ben dead as he slept, as a preventive measure. But, Ben woke up, and thats what instigated Kylos attack on Luke and the Jedi.

https://www.themarysue.com/kylo-ren-childhood-abuse/

Finn is kept FAR away from her.

And now you have people rooting for Rey and Rin to get together because he is just a poor soul.

Humanizing a villain isn't an attempt to justify their acts of violence.

If you're gonna argue that you might as well argue that the entire Star Wars saga also did that.
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scar the 1 posted...

Now, if IIRC (correct me if I'm wrong), the "good guys, bad guys" quote is said by an arms dealer who's playing both sides, benefiting from the war? It makes perfect sense for him to somehow rationalize his stance. But just because a character says it, doesn't mean that it's the message of the movie.

Also this.

The guy who says this is saying this in the context of both sides buying weapons from him to fight each other.
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People need to stop freaking out

It's Marvel. I guarantee the movie will be excellent and IW2 will be excellent and nobody will be batting an eye about all this mary sue noise
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It's a shame that Marvel can't simply have their own version of Wonder Woman without being political about it.

Skye Reynolds posted...

It's a shame that Marvel can't simply have their own version of Wonder Woman without being political about it.

There's nothing even remotely political about the Captain Marvel trailer wth
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I already thought this was a thing so a lot
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Skye Reynolds posted...

It's a shame that Marvel can't simply have their own version of Wonder Woman without being political about it.

There's nothing even remotely political about the Captain Marvel trailer wth

You're right, but look at who you responded to.
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I've advocated a Marvel movie with a female lead since around 2012, but making your first female character Goku levels of power in a world of mostly street level heroes is totally a political play.

Not to mention that comic book Carol Danvers is best known for changing her name from the oh-so-sexist Miss Marvel to Captain Marvel.

I can't believe they made a superhero movie starring a woman in 2019. Everyone knows your movie has to star a white male or it is clearly just 2 hours of SJW virtue signaling and Trump hate.
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Skye Reynolds posted...

I've advocated a Marvel movie with a female lead since around 2012, but making your first female character Goku levels of power in a world of mostly street level heroes is totally a political play.

Not to mention that comic book Carol Danvers is best known for changing her name from the oh-so-sexist Miss Marvel to Captain Marvel.

Err Thor?
Doctor Strange?
Hulk?

Wonder Woman herself is up there in power!
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Skye Reynolds posted...

making your first female character Goku levels of power in a world of mostly street level heroes

Dr Strange
Hulk
Thor (a literal God)
Iron Man

those guys are all street level?
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Skye Reynolds posted...

I've advocated a Marvel movie with a female lead since around 2012, but making your first female character Goku levels of power in a world of mostly street level heroes is totally a political play.

Not to mention that comic book Carol Danvers is best known for changing her name from the oh-so-sexist Miss Marvel to Captain Marvel.

I can't believe DC made that feminist garbage Wonder Woman. Everyone knows you have to ease people into accepting women as powerful leads. A relatively normal woman kicking ass would totally not cause loads of angry YouTube videos about how having a woman succeed in unlikely circumstances is anti-man trash.
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Doom_Art posted...

Skye Reynolds posted...

making your first female character Goku levels of power in a world of mostly street level heroes

Dr Strange
Hulk
Thor (a literal God)
Iron Man

those guys are all street level?

Not to mention Marvel has already introduced an incredibly powerful female in Scarlet Witch.
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hockeybub89 posted...

I can't believe DC made that feminist garbage Wonder Woman.

Yes, because I totally have problems with the movie I used as a reference point for what Marvel should have done.

Doom_Art posted...

Dr Strange
Hulk
Thor (a literal God)
Iron Man

How is Iron Man in that list? He's a human being in a robotic suit.

hockeybub89 posted...

Not to mention Marvel has already introduced an incredibly powerful female in Scarlet Witch.

And she would've made a better choice for the first female lead in an MCU film.

It's not being powerful that's the problem. It's that they went out of their way to say that she'd be the most powerful character and could move worlds. Imagine if they had done that with Black Panther or with their first LGBT protagonist.

That is absolutely fishing for brownie points; i.e. a political move.

Skye Reynolds posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Not to mention Marvel has already introduced an incredibly powerful female in Scarlet Witch.

And she would've made a better choice for the first female lead in an MCU film.

It's not being powerful that's the problem. It's that they went out of their way to say that she'd be the most powerful character and could move worlds. Imagine if they had done that with Black Panther or with their first LGBT protagonist.

That is absolutely fishing for brownie points; i.e. a political move.

But they didn't because Black Panther is not as powerful. Male characters have been called very strong. Does that mean Marvel is also a bunch of incels?
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Skye Reynolds posted...

I've advocated a Marvel movie with a female lead since around 2012, but making your first female character Goku levels of power in a world of mostly street level heroes is totally a political play.

Not to mention that comic book Carol Danvers is best known for changing her name from the oh-so-sexist Miss Marvel to Captain Marvel.

So having a powerful female character is apparently a political statement now?

And even if it was, how exactly is that problematic?

And the reason Ms. Marvel is Captain Marvel now is a) to honor the original Captain Marvel and b) because they were introducing another Ms. Marvel.

Derp.
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It's easy to think the sky is falling when everything out of the norm turns you into Chicken Little.
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

So having a powerful female character is apparently a political statement now?

Skye Reynolds posted...

It's not being powerful that's the problem. It's that they went out of their way to say that she'd be the most powerful character and could move worlds. Imagine if they had done that with Black Panther or with their first LGBT protagonist.

That is absolutely fishing for brownie points; i.e. a political move.

Skye Reynolds posted...

Yes, because I totally have problems with the movie I used as a reference point for what Marvel should have done.

But Wonder Woman is literally exactly what you're criticizing Captain Marvel of being.

She lives on an island full of Amazonian Warrior women that thinks men are evil lmao
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Skye Reynolds posted...

hockeybub89 posted...

Not to mention Marvel has already introduced an incredibly powerful female in Scarlet Witch.

And she would've made a better choice for the first female lead in an MCU film.

It's not being powerful that's the problem. It's that they went out of their way to say that she'd be the most powerful character and could move worlds. Imagine if they had done that with Black Panther or with their first LGBT protagonist.

That is absolutely fishing for brownie points; i.e. a political move.

You know Scarlet Witch has literally altered reality with her powers in the comics yeah?
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Skye Reynolds posted...

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

So having a powerful female character is apparently a political statement now?

Skye Reynolds posted...

It's not being powerful that's the problem. It's that they went out of their way to say that she'd be the most powerful character and could move worlds. Imagine if they had done that with Black Panther or with their first LGBT protagonist.

That is absolutely fishing for brownie points; i.e. a political move.

They already did that with Thor in Infinity War but that's not a problem because....?
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Darmik posted...

You know Scarlet Witch has literally altered history with her powers in the comics yeah?

Did she do that in the films? Did they give her a movie and say that she literally has the power to alter time itself? It's not power that's political. It's how you present it.

How dare marvel make a fictional feeeeeemale super hero more powerful than some of my MAN superheroes! Wake up sheeple!
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

They already did that with Thor in Infinity War but that's not a problem because....?

Thor moved worlds? I apologize then. I haven't kept up on the MCU in the past couple years.

I guess the comparison is that of Wonder Woman to Superman. So, yes, I retract my complaint.

Skye, you get mad about the dumbest fucking things lmao
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I think they overestimated the popularity of the Captain Marvel superhero.
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Skye Reynolds posted...

Darmik posted...

You know Scarlet Witch has literally altered history with her powers in the comics yeah?

Did she do that in the films? Did they give her a movie and say that she literally has the power to alter time itself? It's not power that's political. It's how you present it.

Err Captain Marvel hasn't appeared in any films yet so I don't know what you're whining about.
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Dampproof posted...

It'll finally give them something else to whine about. TLJ been living rent free in their heads for so long.

TLJ defenders are relentless to this day. A year later.
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Skye Reynolds posted...

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

They already did that with Thor in Infinity War but that's not a problem because....?

Thor moved worlds? I apologize then. I haven't kept up on the MCU in the past couple years.

I guess the comparison is that of Wonder Woman to Superman. So, yes, I retract my complaint.

Did I miss something in the trailers? When did they say Captain Marvel does that?

And for the record, Thor took on the full power of a star.
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Hairistotle posted...

if it involves a woman in any capacity he will have a problem with it, all the while swearing he's got no problem with women

it's super fucking weird and im glad ppl are finally noticing

No more than I complain about anything else. It's just easier to take notice of it when a woman is involved. But if you'd like to save screen caps for a "Skye is sexist" compilation, be my guest.

(Though it would be unsporting to borrow from this topic since I retracted my complaint.)

Skye Reynolds posted...

Hairistotle posted...

if it involves a woman in any capacity he will have a problem with it, all the while swearing he's got no problem with women

it's super fucking weird and im glad ppl are finally noticing

No more than I complain about anything else. It's just easier to take notice of it when a woman is involved. But if you'd like to save screen caps for a "Skye is sexist" compilation, be my guest.

(Though it would be unsporting to borrow from this topic since I retracted my complaint.)

it was a dumb fucking complaint in the first place even if it were true, who the fuck cares?
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Skye Reynolds posted...

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

They already did that with Thor in Infinity War but that's not a problem because....?

Thor moved worlds? I apologize then. I haven't kept up on the MCU in the past couple years.

I guess the comparison is that of Wonder Woman to Superman. So, yes, I retract my complaint.

Did I miss something in the trailers? When did they say Captain Marvel does that?

And for the record, Thor took on the full power of a star.

But that's fine because Thor is a DUDE.

But a feeeeeeeemale doing the same thing is clearly a political statement! Marvel is saying that girls can be superheroes too! When will the madness end?!

Am I doing it right, Skye?
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Humanizing a villain isn't an attempt to justify their acts of violence.

If you're gonna argue that you might as well argue that the entire Star Wars saga also did that.

I disagree, Anakin Skywalker was shown as a genocidal man whose on choices lead him down this path. Kylo literally woke up to his uncle with his sword about ready to kill him. Kylo is basically Edward now from Twilight.

Johnson promotes Kylo the equal footing as Rey while stripping away Finn's humanity and making the Poe .. well that is something for a new post. Rey spends a good deal about the moving longing and falling for Kylo this guy who is abusive to her , and kill Han. Kylo is Johnson's idea of what things should be like. Nothing is ever your fault and even when you mess up just because of who you are people are still going to go out of there way for it.

Now let's look at Kylo treatment compared to Finn.

Finn Backstory is as harsh has Kylo and he is not evil. In the last movie he makes the CHOICE to stand up evil. In this movie that is all forgotten and black man has to be shown to care. Beyond that look how Kylo healing process was treated compared to the Finns.
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PleaseClap posted...

But that's fine because Thor is a DUDE.

Which would make since if I hadn't praised Wonder Woman who was just as powerful as Superman. (Or appeared to be in Batman v. Superman. I haven't seen Justice League yet.)

But, hey, I'm sure you could still spin it to be sexist. I like Wonder Woman because she's the good girl who stays in the kitchen whenever she's not on screen and Captain Marvel is the eevil woman with career ambitions or something like that. I don't know. You tell me how it's sexist.

Skye Reynolds posted...

PleaseClap posted...

But that's fine because Thor is a DUDE.

Which would make since if I hadn't praised Wonder Woman who was just as powerful as Superman. (Or appeared to be in Batman v. Superman. I haven't seen Justice League yet.)

But, hey, I'm sure you could still spin it to be sexist. I like Wonder Woman because she's the good girl who stays in the kitchen whenever she's not on screen and Captain Marvel is the eevil woman with career ambitions or something like that. I don't know. You tell me how it's sexist.

Can you tell me why Thor being so powerful isn't a political statement?
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You will see a lot of it from the anti sjw youtubers.
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