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Questionmarktarius
12/01/18 4:38:07 AM
#351:


A_Good_Boy posted...
I just had a feeling would be appropriate to post here one day

It's CE, so it's probably appropriate all the days.
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Hornezz
12/01/18 5:49:50 AM
#352:


This topic taught me that if my only grandparents had shown a little more compassion and understanding for the nazis, then maybe they wouldn't have invaded our country, our city wouldn't have been leveled by bombs and most of my grandparents' classmates wouldn't have been murdered. Thanks, I'll let them know and I'm sure they'll appreciate the lesson.
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Ving_Rhames
12/01/18 6:00:27 AM
#353:


Good.
Needs to happen more often.
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action52
12/01/18 6:15:39 AM
#354:


Doesn't get much more "fair, next" than this.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
12/01/18 10:29:57 AM
#355:


CrimsonRage posted...
clearaflagrantj posted...
Just answer an easy binary question: what would work better for making someone less violent and rehabilitating back into society: stigmatizing them and attacking them, or reaching out to them and trying to help.


in a perfect world, the latter.

we do not live in a perfect world.

guarantee this kid was radicalised on 4chan or some other internet shithole.

how many times have you been able to successfully convince an internet troll they were being a bad person and they changed?


This. Even ones who aren't hateful, just gullible and misguided aren't always redeemable. I saw a story about Islamic radicalization that featured teenagers and children who were recruited to be suicide bombers and were caught before able to do an attack. They had literally been told "the bomb explodes outward in one direction. You'll kill your enemies but no harm will come to you." They were naive enough to believe it. It was explained that it doesn't work that way, they were being used etc. The rehabilitation efforts often didn't work and some of the same kids were caught again trying to do suicide attacks after being released the first time after rehabilitation.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
12/01/18 10:41:26 AM
#356:


Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Tmaster148 posted...

No one should defend a Nazi's ideology.


I don't defend flat Earth conspiracies or anti-vaxxer rhetoric, but I don't deny their right to say it. No one has defended Nazism here. They are defending free expression. Defending free expression is independent of what's being expressed.

Fony posted...
So how do you feel about NFL players kneeling.


I don't care all the whole subject was a distraction caused for the idiot in the executive office.
The players can kneel.
The organization can react how they want.
I personally am for police reforms but some of the incidents they're upset about were probably justified.
I'm also in favor of flag burning being legal. (Not that I connect the anthem to the flag, that always confused me.)


"I don't believe in the concept of hate speech."
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A_Good_Boy
12/01/18 10:46:22 AM
#359:


VoightKent posted...
With the way the black dude was walking he was already looking for a fight

Yeah, that kid with the nazi uniform that was calling people the n-word was just an innocent little good boy that dindunuffin.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
12/01/18 10:47:01 AM
#360:


apocalyptic_4 posted...
iClockwork posted...
Giant_Aspirin posted...
why does it often seem like you're defending-but-not-quite-defending these sorts of people?

Becasue perpetuating and normalizing violence is objectively worse than some dumb fuck 18 year olds opinion.


Why do you people who defend nazism boil down their rhetoric to "opinions" and "point of view"


Because they want to perpetuate and normalize hate speech and bigotry.
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Questionmarktarius
12/01/18 10:49:14 AM
#361:


A_Good_Boy posted...
VoightKent posted...
With the way the black dude was walking he was already looking for a fight

Yeah, that kid with the nazi uniform that was calling people the n-word was just an innocent little good boy that dindunuffin.

If you shout out "honky whitey cracker!" you may get some fisticuffs. I'm not blaming the black dude at all here.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
12/01/18 11:36:53 AM
#362:


Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Look at these Nazi sympathizers . . .

https://www.aclu.org/other/aclu-history-taking-stand-free-speech-skokie

Real talk, I can't tell if it's simply a new generation if kiddies that need to be taught the value of free speech (and frankly, rational consistent thought) or if it's nihilistic anti-American radical leftists that are simply gas-lighting everyone that isn't garbage on civil rights.


So what I'm gathering from your views expressed in this topic, you seem to want:

More legal protection under freedom of speech for nazis, racists, bigots etc. so that they are free to express hateful views...

And you're also against violence, so nazis, racists, bigots etc. are more protected against vigilante justice.

So nazis should have the freedom to openly be nazis and violence against nazis should be condemned. Nazis shouldn't have to fear the law when expressing their views and nazis shouldn't have to fear vigilante violence for expressing their views.

Reasonable, fair, unbiased, non-partisan. I applaud you sir...
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Bio1590
12/01/18 11:40:07 AM
#363:


Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
or if it's nihilistic anti-American radical leftists that are simply gas-lighting everyone that isn't garbage on civil rights.

Holy buzzwords Batman!
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iClockwork
12/01/18 11:40:49 AM
#364:


ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
So people should have the freedom to openly express their views and violence against people should be condemned. People shouldn't have to fear the law when expressing their views and people shouldn't have to fear vigilante violence for expressing their views.

Yup pretty much.
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BigSLM1993
12/01/18 11:41:21 AM
#365:


ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Look at these Nazi sympathizers . . .

https://www.aclu.org/other/aclu-history-taking-stand-free-speech-skokie

Real talk, I can't tell if it's simply a new generation if kiddies that need to be taught the value of free speech (and frankly, rational consistent thought) or if it's nihilistic anti-American radical leftists that are simply gas-lighting everyone that isn't garbage on civil rights.


So what I'm gathering from your views expressed in this topic, you seem to want:

More legal protection under freedom of speech for nazis, racists, bigots etc. so that they are free to express hateful views...

And you're also against violence, so nazis, racists, bigots etc. are more protected against vigilante justice.

So nazis should have the freedom to openly be nazis and violence against nazis should be condemned. Nazis shouldn't have to fear the law when expressing their views and nazis shouldn't have to fear vigilante violence for expressing their views.

Reasonable, fair, unbiased, non-partisan. I applaud you sir...

So sarcasm aside, what legislation would you want proposed to combat nazis? Should we make it illegal to have those views openly?

Should we give people a legal defense if they harm one ? What if they accidentally kill one?

What precedent do you think this would set legally for the future?
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Trigg3rH4ppy
12/01/18 11:53:27 AM
#366:


clearaflagrantj posted...
Tmaster148 posted...
clearaflagrantj posted...
Sucker punching is fucked up regardless of the circumstances.


Some people deserve it.

No. Escalating words into violence is fucked up.

Talk shit get hit. Words have meaning, and show intent. Declaring yourself a Nazi is a physical threat of harm and even death to every non Aryan that should be met with the appropriate response for any attempted assault or homicide.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
12/01/18 11:54:03 AM
#367:


BigSLM1993 posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Look at these Nazi sympathizers . . .

https://www.aclu.org/other/aclu-history-taking-stand-free-speech-skokie

Real talk, I can't tell if it's simply a new generation if kiddies that need to be taught the value of free speech (and frankly, rational consistent thought) or if it's nihilistic anti-American radical leftists that are simply gas-lighting everyone that isn't garbage on civil rights.


So what I'm gathering from your views expressed in this topic, you seem to want:

More legal protection under freedom of speech for nazis, racists, bigots etc. so that they are free to express hateful views...

And you're also against violence, so nazis, racists, bigots etc. are more protected against vigilante justice.

So nazis should have the freedom to openly be nazis and violence against nazis should be condemned. Nazis shouldn't have to fear the law when expressing their views and nazis shouldn't have to fear vigilante violence for expressing their views.

Reasonable, fair, unbiased, non-partisan. I applaud you sir...

So sarcasm aside, what legislation would you want proposed to combat nazis? Should we make it illegal to have those views openly?

Should we give people a legal defense if they harm one ? What if they accidentally kill one?

What precedent do you think this would set legally for the future?


They're nazis...

You're going for an "it's a slippery slope" gotcha, but it's actually basically just the beach...
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BigSLM1993
12/01/18 11:58:15 AM
#368:


ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
BigSLM1993 posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Look at these Nazi sympathizers . . .

https://www.aclu.org/other/aclu-history-taking-stand-free-speech-skokie

Real talk, I can't tell if it's simply a new generation if kiddies that need to be taught the value of free speech (and frankly, rational consistent thought) or if it's nihilistic anti-American radical leftists that are simply gas-lighting everyone that isn't garbage on civil rights.


So what I'm gathering from your views expressed in this topic, you seem to want:

More legal protection under freedom of speech for nazis, racists, bigots etc. so that they are free to express hateful views...

And you're also against violence, so nazis, racists, bigots etc. are more protected against vigilante justice.

So nazis should have the freedom to openly be nazis and violence against nazis should be condemned. Nazis shouldn't have to fear the law when expressing their views and nazis shouldn't have to fear vigilante violence for expressing their views.

Reasonable, fair, unbiased, non-partisan. I applaud you sir...

So sarcasm aside, what legislation would you want proposed to combat nazis? Should we make it illegal to have those views openly?

Should we give people a legal defense if they harm one ? What if they accidentally kill one?

What precedent do you think this would set legally for the future?


They're nazis...

You're going for an "it's a slippery slope" gotcha, but it's actually basically just the beach...


Dude how is it a "gotcha?" If someone hits someone in the face, they're either being arrested or they're not. And if they're not in trouble for it, then it's going to create legal precedent. That's how the judicial system works.
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A_Good_Boy
12/01/18 12:00:56 PM
#369:


I really don't know why these npcs all rush in at the same time just to parrot the same arguments that have already been addressed earlier in the topic.
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Comfy_Pillow
12/01/18 12:09:38 PM
#370:


people really overreact to shit like this

This fat hillbilly I went to HS with put the confederate flag on his Jeep, Truck, and jacket and brought those things to school everyday and regularly used the N-word.Nobody attacked him (because that's fucking stupid).

and guess what? Now he works at Walmart and hates his life.

"but but he said word or dressed in a coat, we gotta assault him or else...stuff might....probably not happen"
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A_Good_Boy
12/01/18 12:11:32 PM
#371:


Comfy_Pillow posted...
people really overreact to shit like this

This fat hillbilly I went to HS with put the confederate flag on his Jeep, Truck, and jacket and brought those things to school everyday and regularly used the N-word.Nobody attacked him (because that's fucking stupid).

and guess what? Now he works at Walmart and hates his life.

"but but he said word or dressed in a coat, we gotta assault him or else...stuff might....probably not happen"

Wait, so he works at Walmart because nobody punched him? So do you expect this kid to be some CEO one day now that he's flossing pavement from between his teeth?
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Comfy_Pillow
12/01/18 12:12:54 PM
#372:


A_Good_Boy posted...
Wait, so he works at Walmart because nobody punched him? So do you expect this kid to be some CEO one day now that he's flossing pavement from between his teeth?


I'm questioning your reading comprehension heavily right now
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A_Good_Boy
12/01/18 12:15:55 PM
#373:


Comfy_Pillow posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Wait, so he works at Walmart because nobody punched him? So do you expect this kid to be some CEO one day now that he's flossing pavement from between his teeth?


I'm questioning your reading comprehension heavily right now

Maybe you should work on your ability to make your points more salient before getting upset at other people for responding to the things you type.
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Comfy_Pillow
12/01/18 12:16:32 PM
#374:


A_Good_Boy posted...
Maybe you should work on your ability to make your points more salient before getting upset at other people for responding to the things you type.


just because you didn't grasp a basic post, doesn't mean the person didn't make it clear enough.
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EliteC
12/01/18 12:17:50 PM
#376:


@Dragonblade01 posted...
metralo posted...
"hey being a nazi isn't a nice thing to do! but he shouldn't be punished for it because punishing him is also not nice"

how is that not being a stupid worthless centrist lmao

So not only can't you explain why you think my views here are centrist, you can't even accurately repeat my views back to me.

EliteC posted...
Rationalize it all you want, but expecting the other kid to take the slurs and not do shit is clearly not a reasonable position

I'm not rationalizing anything. I'm telling you what my views are (which you have just inaccurately represented), and they aren't unreasonable. They are extremely common principles. One, don't insult people; and two, don't assault people.


So, the guy wearing the Nazi uniform and calling racial slurs isnt insulting the other guy?

Funny how youre focused on enforcing the dont assault part but skip the dont insult enforcement
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A_Good_Boy
12/01/18 12:18:14 PM
#377:


Comfy_Pillow posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Maybe you should work on your ability to make your points more salient before getting upset at other people for responding to the things you type.


just because you didn't grasp a basic post, doesn't mean the person didn't make it clear enough.

All your post said is that nobody picked on the nazi kid at your school and he ended up at Walmart. I'm not sure what picking on or not picking on nazis has anything to do with how people respond to them when they're yelling slurs at them, but I'm sure you were just waiting for a follow up post to say anything more.
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_Squirtle_
12/01/18 12:18:19 PM
#378:


A_Good_Boy posted...
Comfy_Pillow posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Wait, so he works at Walmart because nobody punched him? So do you expect this kid to be some CEO one day now that he's flossing pavement from between his teeth?


I'm questioning your reading comprehension heavily right now

Maybe you should work on your ability to make your points more salient before getting upset at other people for responding to the things you type.


He was clearly saying that if nothing happened to the Nazi kid, he would just go on to have a shitty life he hates.

Because who's gonna hire or love that kid?

If you want to assault him because he said a word or wore a coat you don't like....go ahead you should go to jail for it though
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Comfy_Pillow
12/01/18 12:21:47 PM
#379:


A_Good_Boy posted...
All your post said is that nobody picked on the nazi kid at your school and he ended up at Walmart. I'm not sure what picking on or not picking on nazis has anything to do with how people respond to them when they're yelling slurs at them,


Why would you become all thuggish and barbaric over words or a jacket when you know 99% of these kinds of people end up with miserable lives

people are so fucking sensitive. We ignored that kid and mocked him because everyone knew he was a fucking loon. Now most of us have happy lives while he's stocking shelves and cleaning toilets at Walmart.

Do I need to hold your hand further?
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A_Good_Boy
12/01/18 12:22:55 PM
#380:


_Squirtle_ posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Comfy_Pillow posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Wait, so he works at Walmart because nobody punched him? So do you expect this kid to be some CEO one day now that he's flossing pavement from between his teeth?


I'm questioning your reading comprehension heavily right now

Maybe you should work on your ability to make your points more salient before getting upset at other people for responding to the things you type.


He was clearly saying that if nothing happened to the Nazi kid, he would just go on to have a shitty life he hates.

Because who's gonna hire or love that kid?

If you want to assault him because he said a word or wore a coat you don't like....go ahead you should go to jail for it though

The dude that responds to fighting words isn't going to jail any longer than the dude that used fighting words to instigate the fight in the first place, so long as the response was proportionate.

But OK, so he has a shitty life, plus his mouth is throwing parties and sending out invites to black people's fists. His life is less shitty for it? Lol I don't get your point either.

You pro-leave-the-poor-nazi-alone have got to start doing a better job of making your points more salient. Cause now it seems like you're just swinging for the fences in a desperate attempt to shift the blame of the encounter as far away from the dude screeching out the n-word as much as possible. And it's just making you look silly.
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A_Good_Boy
12/01/18 12:23:48 PM
#381:


Comfy_Pillow posted...
Why would you become all thuggish

Lol I think I got the gist of both this post and any subsequent ones as well.
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FLUFFYGERM
12/01/18 12:26:29 PM
#382:


That kid who got punched is ugly as fuck
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spudger
12/01/18 12:26:41 PM
#383:


well this topic turned to shit
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Comfy_Pillow
12/01/18 12:27:10 PM
#384:


So you just want to piss your pants and cry every time someone says something you don't like?

I don't understand your childish position
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A_Good_Boy
12/01/18 12:28:31 PM
#385:


Comfy_Pillow posted...
So you just want to piss your pants and cry every time someone says something you don't like?

I don't understand your childish position

You just gonna go and be the biggest victim every single time you see nazis eating dirt?
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FLUFFYGERM
12/01/18 12:31:46 PM
#386:


TC do you support punching Antifa and other revolutionary commies too?
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Comfy_Pillow
12/01/18 12:34:04 PM
#387:


A_Good_Boy posted...
Comfy_Pillow posted...
So you just want to piss your pants and cry every time someone says something you don't like?

I don't understand your childish position

You just gonna go and be the biggest victim every single time you see nazis eating dirt?


Help me understand

This kid is a threat to nobody. He wears a coat and says a word you don't like. Do you really feel that weak and frightened?
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A_Good_Boy
12/01/18 12:34:04 PM
#388:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
TC do you support punching Antifa and other revolutionary commies too?

Let it be either nazi or Antifa, white or black person, neo-nazi or hotep; those that talk shit should not be surprised when they get hit.
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WizardPowers
12/01/18 12:37:49 PM
#389:


A_Good_Boy posted...
Let it be either nazi or Antifa, white or black person, neo-nazi or hotep; those that talk shit should not be surprised when they get hit.


lmao

how do so many wannabe tough guys end up on this board
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Coastal_elite
12/01/18 12:41:12 PM
#390:


FLUFFYGERM posted...
TC do you support punching Antifa and other revolutionary commies too?


whataboutism: The post
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A_Good_Boy
12/01/18 12:44:46 PM
#391:


WizardPowers posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Let it be either nazi or Antifa, white or black person, neo-nazi or hotep; those that talk shit should not be surprised when they get hit.


lmao

how do so many wannabe tough guys end up on this board

How does that make me a tough guy?
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ImTheMacheteGuy
12/01/18 12:53:31 PM
#392:


BigSLM1993 posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
BigSLM1993 posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
Anarchy_Juiblex posted...
Look at these Nazi sympathizers . . .

https://www.aclu.org/other/aclu-history-taking-stand-free-speech-skokie

Real talk, I can't tell if it's simply a new generation if kiddies that need to be taught the value of free speech (and frankly, rational consistent thought) or if it's nihilistic anti-American radical leftists that are simply gas-lighting everyone that isn't garbage on civil rights.


So what I'm gathering from your views expressed in this topic, you seem to want:

More legal protection under freedom of speech for nazis, racists, bigots etc. so that they are free to express hateful views...

And you're also against violence, so nazis, racists, bigots etc. are more protected against vigilante justice.

So nazis should have the freedom to openly be nazis and violence against nazis should be condemned. Nazis shouldn't have to fear the law when expressing their views and nazis shouldn't have to fear vigilante violence for expressing their views.

Reasonable, fair, unbiased, non-partisan. I applaud you sir...

So sarcasm aside, what legislation would you want proposed to combat nazis? Should we make it illegal to have those views openly?

Should we give people a legal defense if they harm one ? What if they accidentally kill one?

What precedent do you think this would set legally for the future?


They're nazis...

You're going for an "it's a slippery slope" gotcha, but it's actually basically just the beach...


Dude how is it a "gotcha?" If someone hits someone in the face, they're either being arrested or they're not. And if they're not in trouble for it, then it's going to create legal precedent. That's how the judicial system works.


Why are you trying to bait me into discussing what you're talking about when it's not was I was talking about and I'm only interested in pointing out the problems with that other guy's rhetoric? Keep the tangents to yourself. I'm here to criticize that other user for preaching in favor of both freedom of speech for nazis and deterrence of violence against nazis. It shows where his priorities are. "We need to fight for freedom for people to say hate speech and also need to fight for their right to have no consequences for it." You're trying to shift the conversation away from that. I won't have it.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
12/01/18 1:00:58 PM
#393:


Comfy_Pillow posted...
A_Good_Boy posted...
Maybe you should work on your ability to make your points more salient before getting upset at other people for responding to the things you type.


just because you didn't grasp a basic post, doesn't mean the person didn't make it clear enough.


Well you're right that it is basic. "I knew a guy that did some things. Other people didn't respond a certain way. Years later the guy is this." If you didn't read his autobiography or didn't write a biography about him, you aren't making any points at all. You're listing three things about one person.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
12/01/18 1:02:34 PM
#394:


Comfy_Pillow posted...
So you just want to piss your pants and cry every time someone says something you don't like?

I don't understand your childish position


The only thing to have an opinion about one way or another is that you think you made a point and you didn't actually.
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Comfy_Pillow
12/01/18 1:05:12 PM
#395:


It's been 8 pages of shit posting by sensitive fake tough guys so not like much was lost.
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A_Good_Boy
12/01/18 1:09:08 PM
#396:


Comfy_Pillow posted...
It's been 8 pages of shit posting by sensitive fake tough guys so not like much was lost.

Imagine whiffing it hard on a single post and then spending another 10 crying about it.
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WizardPowers
12/01/18 1:11:39 PM
#397:


A_Good_Boy posted...
Comfy_Pillow posted...
It's been 8 pages of shit posting by sensitive fake tough guys so not like much was lost.

Imagine whiffing it hard on a single post and then spending another 10 crying about it.


pot, meet kettle
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Tmaster148
12/01/18 1:12:58 PM
#398:


I can only believe that the people who are offended by people who thinks Nazis should be punched are Nazis themselves.
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Heineken14
12/01/18 1:15:15 PM
#399:


Right wingers: "don't call everyone you don't like a Nazi!"
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ImTheMacheteGuy
12/01/18 1:15:57 PM
#400:


Well in any case, we should all come together, people on both sides, and pat ourselves on the back for one thing in this topic. We have done an excellent job of saying "nazis" instead of "nazi's"
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