Current Events > Is Fallout 76 worse than No Mans Sky was at launch?

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Not even close lol. 76 is what it was advertised to be. No man's lie was not.
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Dyinglegacy posted...

Not even close lol. 76 is what it was advertised to be. No man's lie was not.

Yeah 76 was advertised to be a shit game.

Slayerblade11 posted...

Dyinglegacy posted...

Not even close lol. 76 is what it was advertised to be. No man's lie was not.

Yeah 76 was advertised to be a shit game.

Explain why you feel it is shit
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Dyinglegacy posted...

Not even close lol. 76 is what it was advertised to be. No man's lie was not.

yea this is why i feel like the fallout 76 outrage is so dumb, it wasnt like bethesda hid a single thing
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But in terms of actual gameplay and whats included.
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No mans Sky
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Dyinglegacy posted...

Not even close lol. 76 is what it was advertised to be.

* Unless you bought the Collector's Edition.
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Hairy-man posted...

But in terms of actual gameplay and whats included.

Reading your question again, the answer is almost wholly subjective.

Which one's worse on release? The one you dislike the most.

No man's sky was truly missing content that was promised in recorded interviews, but if you still enjoyed the base game, then good on you. Fallout 76 is pretty much more fallout 4, with a more focus on world storytelling, looting and exploration.
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Esrac posted...

Dyinglegacy posted...

Not even close lol. 76 is what it was advertised to be.

* Unless you bought the Collector's Edition.

I was referring to content within the game, not physical accessories.
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Dyinglegacy posted...

Esrac posted...

Dyinglegacy posted...

Not even close lol. 76 is what it was advertised to be.

* Unless you bought the Collector's Edition.

I was referring to content within the game, not physical accessories.

The content that comes with CEs counts as part of the advertised product.
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Dyinglegacy posted...

Hairy-man posted...

But in terms of actual gameplay and whats included.

Reading your question again, the answer is almost wholly subjective.

Which one's worse on release? The one you dislike the most.

No man's sky was truly missing content that was promised in recorded interviews, but if you still enjoyed the base game, then good on you. Fallout 76 is pretty much more fallout 4, with a more focus on world storytelling, looting and exploration.

Honestly when you put it like that, it sounds like I would enjoy Fallout 76 because I loved 4.

And I did enjoy No Mans Sky. Likely because I didnt even know it existed until after release. I didnt watch any videos on it or see what was promised. I just thought the game was how it was intended to be. It was only until the huge update that I realized what exactly was promised
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NMS wasn't plagued with glitches. It worked. It was just boring and wasn't what was advertised. Still waiting on those giant sand worms.
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Esrac posted...

Dyinglegacy posted...

Esrac posted...

Dyinglegacy posted...

Not even close lol. 76 is what it was advertised to be.

* Unless you bought the Collector's Edition.

I was referring to content within the game, not physical accessories.

The content that comes with CEs counts as part of the advertised product.

That's not what TC asked for. He asked about what's included in gameplay. Unless I misread something.
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I only wonder why only now are people up in arms about Bethesdas shoddy programming and bug fixes?

Also No Mans Sky was made by a small hand full of people with admittedly lofty goals. Not saying ones better than the other but Bethesda had more resources at least.
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Dyinglegacy posted...

Esrac posted...

Dyinglegacy posted...

Esrac posted...

Dyinglegacy posted...

Not even close lol. 76 is what it was advertised to be.

* Unless you bought the Collector's Edition.

I was referring to content within the game, not physical accessories.

The content that comes with CEs counts as part of the advertised product.

That's not what TC asked for. He asked about what's included in gameplay. Unless I misread something.

He didn't specify. He is either asking which had a worse launch or if FO76 is worse currently than NMS was at launch.
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Hairy-man posted...

Dyinglegacy posted...

Hairy-man posted...

But in terms of actual gameplay and whats included.

Reading your question again, the answer is almost wholly subjective.

Which one's worse on release? The one you dislike the most.

No man's sky was truly missing content that was promised in recorded interviews, but if you still enjoyed the base game, then good on you. Fallout 76 is pretty much more fallout 4, with a more focus on world storytelling, looting and exploration.

Honestly when you put it like that, it sounds like I would enjoy Fallout 76 because I loved 4.

And I did enjoy No Mans Sky. Likely because I didnt even know it existed until after release. I didnt watch any videos on it or see what was promised. I just thought the game was how it was intended to be. It was only until the huge update that I realized what exactly was promised

If what drawn you in to Fallout 4 was exploration, looting, crafting and killing things, then you'd probably like 76. The exploration aspect is top notch, as the environment is more diverse than it's ever been for Beth fallout. You have woodland areas, desert areas, jungle areas, swamp/bog areas, mountain regions and the classic desolated urban cities. If that sounds like your cup of tea, then it's probably for you.

If the part of fallout that got you going was dialog wheels, then you'd probably not like it.
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VerisimiIitude posted...

I only wonder why only now are people up in arms about Bethesdas shoddy programming and bug fixes?

Also No Mans Sky was made by a small hand full of people with admittedly lofty goals. Not saying ones better than the other but Bethesda had more resources at least.

I think bugs and stuff like that in multiplayer games are more frowned upon than in single player games. Also, I think vaming consumers are generally getting tired of unpolished products.
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No Mans Sky was at least playable
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D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

No Mans Sky was at least playable

Ok so I have to ask, what makes 76 unplayable?

There are so many different opinions out there
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NMS was an ambitious project that didn't pan out at first as advertised. It was a solid attempt. At least it was playable.

Fallout 76 is a game based on an engine that's been in use for over a decade and it still runs like complete shit and has some of the poorest leadership ever to be seen in a AAA title.

Fallout 76 is worse, although neither were good.
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Does the knowledge that a game will be shit honestly make the game less shit?

The correct answer is no, no it doesn't.
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And the thing with No Man's Sky is that it simply lacked content.

Fallout 76 lacks content and it's a technical nightmare.
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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

And the thing with No Man's Sky is that it simply lacked content.

Fallout 76 lacks content and it's a technical nightmare.

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

Does the knowledge that a game will be s*** honestly make the game less s***?

The correct answer is no, no it doesn't.

People say this, but then either can't answer, or have a half assed answer. What makes you feel it's shit?

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

And the thing with No Man's Sky is that it simply lacked content.

Fallout 76 lacks content and it's a technical nightmare.

It has lots of bugs, yes. Lacks content? Explain.
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monkmith posted...

RchHomieQuanChi posted...

And the thing with No Man's Sky is that it simply lacked content.

Fallout 76 lacks content and it's a technical nightmare.

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Lmao
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Hairy-man posted...

D-Lo_BrownTown posted...

No Mans Sky was at least playable

Ok so I have to ask, what makes 76 unplayable?

There are so many different opinions out there

It's not unplayable lol. Or hasn't been for me, at least.

There are some pretty serious bugs and technical issues, tho. Animation glitches galore. Deformed character models are ridiculous. It's amusing the first few times you see it. Invisible enemies is a terrible bug. They can hit you but you can't see or hear them. Inventory glitches, with disappearing ammo (rare, but does happen).

There're a litany of bugs, and every time I think of one, another comes up, so I'll just stop now.

EDIT: Bugs, and issues with storage space and how cumbersome camp building can be are my biggest complaints. The latter two issues are being remedied in the next couple of patches, as they've communicated that with us. Bugs will be fixed over time. Where this is an online game, I can assume that they might be more likely to patch bugs more expediently.
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Dyinglegacy posted...

People say this, but then either can't answer, or have a half assed answer. What makes you feel it's shit?

Even if the game didn't have a novel's worth of technical issues, it would still be a game full of nothing but the leftover fetch quests from Fallout 4, with a completely shit PvP component.

Golly gee, it's so much fun listening to a 5 minute long holotape about purifying water while I run back and forth between water pumps and test them for radiation!
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Conflict posted...

This is obvious

No Man's Sky wasn't so much a busted game as it was overhyped to hell and ended up being boring to play

Fallout 76 is a catastrophe lmao

have you even played fallout 76?
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No Mans Sky had lofty aspirations and came out about 6 months earlier than they would have liked. It was made by a small team and it was competent at launch. It was trying to revolutionize the genre.

Fallout 76 is made by one of the most beloved and highly regarded developers. It is barely playable at launch, and banks on its namesake. It is not nearly as capable as many other games in its genre that cost less and were made by smaller, less experienced developers.

If you want to equate their overall quality, sure. One was made by a small team as O believe their first major title. The other is made by a developer who has made games for well over a decade and literally hosts E3 press conferences.

A failure from one of these groups is understandable. From the other it is honestly predatory.
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Conflict posted...

This is the rare case in which I don't need to play the game to say that it's garbage. The 54 metacritic rating and large discounts a week after the game dropped tell the whole story.

It's safe to assume that you probably wouldn't like it anyway, as your mind is already made up without having touched it. That's the case with many people. They haven't played it, and they just parrot rehearsed talking points about it. That's if they even have any reason at all, other than "it's trash".

You might like it, or you might not. Fair chance that people probably wouldn't let themselves like it, out of some weird pride/ego thing.

It's fundamentally different than stating something like "I've never eat shit/been punched in the face, but I can say with certainty that I wouldn't like such things.". For one, these are physical acts in which pain and disgust are familiar sensation. This is just a video game. It may very well be that you don't like the art style, or game type, but there are other aspects within that you may like.

My character is level 84, so I've dumped a great deal of time into the game. I feel that my opinion of the game would be more relevant than someone who hasn't played it, or someone who has played it very little.

What I can say about it, is what I have said about it since when I played the beta. If you are the type of fallout player that holds exploration, killing, crafting and looting as priority, then you'll probably dig 76. This just so happens to be the way I play fallout. The lack of human NPCs, to me, is inconsequential. In every Beth fallout I've played, as soon as I left the opening vault area, I would always just picked a direction and go, story be damned. I'm not saying that there isn't story here. There is, and a lot of it. if you follow the story, there are actual major reasons as to why there are a lack of humans. People just seem to ignore that.

However, if you are the type of fallout player that thoroughly enjoys dialog wheels and dialog choices that has impact on the world around you, THEN you will probably want to skip on 76, as that is not this games focus. I'm not saying that this type of player won't be able to have fun here, but they will probably not get the amount of enjoyment out of it that I do.
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Conflict posted...

Rehearsed talking points lol

Like it's regularly being shit on for being a glitchy mess with lazily recycled assets from games like Skyrim, among players and critics alike. Yeah, maybe there's a chance some people could find it enjoyable, but it's a pretty shitty game dude. Regardless of what aspects of gameplay you're into

It is a glitch fest, but so is every Beth fallout/skyrim on launch. My fallout 4 character is STILL bugged. Bugs suck, so not excusing them.

No shit it has recycled assets from 4. It's the same damn engine. It's not fallout 5 and it's not suppose to be. The only "assets" from skyrim I've noticed, are MAYBE the way the scorchbeasts land.

I say rehearsed, because you haven't played it. Only read what others have said, and maybe watched a video or two.
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Dyinglegacy posted...

It has lots of bugs, yes. Lacks content? Explain.

Lack of actual story is a big one. Lack of any characters to develop a story is even bigger. Getting bits of lore from random documents in this game does not generate a strong story line.
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Which i also adressed. In the robust amount of time I've played, I haven't really noticed any. The scorchbeasts are dragonlike, in the way that they are large flying beasts. The way they fly, from what I've noticed, isn't the same. They do bombing runs, too, which i never saw dragons do in skyrim.

The only similarity, outside of projectile breathing flying thing, is the crash and screen shake that happens when they land.
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DoGCyN posted...

Dyinglegacy posted...

It has lots of bugs, yes. Lacks content? Explain.

Lack of actual story is a big one. Lack of any characters to develop a story is even bigger. Getting bits of lore from random documents in this game does not generate a strong story line.

The story is still there, and so far, I find it intriguing. Personally, I feel that the lack of a human populace lends credence to just how grueling a post apoc world would be. I mean, it's only 25 years after the nukes, so naturally, there probably wouldn't be large booming cities of civilization. You do find vestiges of humanities attempt to cling to life, tho. You exit the vault to find that there actually had been remnants of humanity attempting to rebuild, only to be wiped out by a second disastrous event.
A plague like contagion, called the scorched plague (likely caused by some sort of radiation mutated monstrosity).. All of this, to me, adds to the doom and gloom atmosphere of a nuclear devastated world.

If you just don't like the game, then that's fair. To say it lacks content is ludicrous. It would be more appropriate to say that it lacks the exact same content that you're used to from fallout. That is to say, leave vault, track down your son/father. In a way, it kind of is similar, tho. you leave vault, follow the tracks of the vault overseer.

It's as I've already stated 100X. Play fallout for lootin', shootin and exploring? You'll likey. Play fallout for dialog wheels? You'll no likey.
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DoGCyN posted...

Dyinglegacy posted...

It has lots of bugs, yes. Lacks content? Explain.

Lack of actual story is a big one. Lack of any characters to develop a story is even bigger. Getting bits of lore from random documents in this game does not generate a strong story line.

...its a multiplayer survival game, not a story driven RPG... seriously, people act like they actually expected a story from the damn thing. they were very direct in stating that the story would be piecemeal and fed to you by robots and notes.
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Lots of post-purchase rationalization from people who bought 76.
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Irregardless posted...

Lots of post-purchase rationalization from people who bought 76.

lots of worthless commenting from people who saw some youtube videos...
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After 50 hours into 76, I can say it is a frustrating almost unplayable mess. Here's the bullet points

Constant crashing from several sources.

Horrible framerates. Especially when enemies attack you or a teammate spawns near you.

If you move during the initial load in before all the assets pop in you can crash.

The game can eat you house without warning. It is supposed to store everything, but sometimes this just straight up disappear.

Trading is broken and menus constantly close on you.

Hit detection is awful. Sometimes bullets pass right through enemies and can hit enemies behind them. Even vats is broken. You can have a 95% chance to hit and miss 5 times in a row. Until you back out of vats and reapply it.

There is a very common damage bug where you actually heal enemies instead of hurting them.

Pop in the game is an obvious after thought and isnt engaging in the slightest.
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Dyinglegacy posted...

To say it lacks content is ludicrous

It's not ludicrous at all. It's fair that you are okay with just running gunning and shooting things and being content with that. Other people (myself included) wanted more than that from a fallout game. The bigger issue is the world is just devoid of life in general. Big open world with nothing in it (except shooting things).

monkmith posted...

...its a multiplayer survival game, not a story driven RPG... seriously, people act like they actually expected a story from the damn thing. they were very direct in stating that the story would be piecemeal and fed to you by robots and notes.

No one was expecting it to play out like a classic Mass Effect game, but as stated, the world is lifeless (no pun intended). It may not need NPCs and characters to flavor it up, but whatever it DID need to flavor it up, it does not have.
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monkmith posted...

lots of worthless commenting from people who saw some youtube videos...

Or I played the beta and my brother owns it on PS4.
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monkmith posted...

DoGCyN posted...

Dyinglegacy posted...

It has lots of bugs, yes. Lacks content? Explain.

Lack of actual story is a big one. Lack of any characters to develop a story is even bigger. Getting bits of lore from random documents in this game does not generate a strong story line.

...its a multiplayer survival game, not a story driven RPG... seriously, people act like they actually expected a story from the damn thing. they were very direct in stating that the story would be piecemeal and fed to you by robots and notes.

Besides that, there is a story and a rather interesting one at that. Story spoilers:There are no NPCs because they are all dead. There is a plague that infects not just people but any and all creatures and turns them into a hive mind of killing machines. The plague is spread by mutated bats called scorchbeasts who carry a mutated virus and were created by the mining companies using nukes underground to mine faster with complete disregard for the safety of the workers. So anyway, there are numerous factions that all had to deal with this, the Raiders, Responders, Freestates, Brotherhood of Steel, and the Enclave. I wont go into detail about the factions themselves but as you find out through the main quest, they are all dead. Every one of them has been wiped out by this plague or the other dangers of the wasteland. The Brotherhood has determined that unless stopped, this plague and the scorchbeasts are an extinction level even and could go on to wipe out all live on the entire continent. You also find out that the factions all distrusted each other and refused to work together. They all individually had the pieces required to stop the plague but through paranoia and distrust (or lack of desire in the case of the raiders), none of them succeeded and literally all of them had died. The actual quests of the main quest have you going to each of the factions and gathering the pieces yourself.
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DoGCyN posted...

It's not ludicrous at all. It's fair that you are okay with just running gunning and shooting things and being content with that. Other people (myself included) wanted more than that from a fallout game. The bigger issue is the world is just devoid of life in general. Big open world with nothing in it (except shooting things).

How is it devoid of life? You mean "human NPC" life? Absolutely. It is devoid of human NPC life, and for massive spoiler reasons. However, the exploring is really no more devoid of life than any other fallout game that I've played. Fallout is full of open landscape with not much going on, other than scenery. New Vegas: Large open desert, with boring scenery. Fallout 3, destroyed urban wasteland, with more desert. Fallout 4: A bit more scenery here, but still largely empty. It's a running theme in fallout. If you decide to pursue the story in 76, there is plenty of purpose to explore the diverse environments, as the story directs you there to do specific things.

You still run into entities and acquire quests, just like always. You still find interesting landmarks, just like always. You still get side tracked in that cave you just found, just like always. It's still fallout. You just don't like the fact that you, as the player, aren't the center of the universe. You're not the chosen one who brings about all this drastic change. You don't have decisions that make large story impact on the world. That's okay that you don't like those things. It's just not for you, and it's not what you want it to be. And that's OKAY.
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Rikiaz posted...

monkmith posted...

DoGCyN posted...

Dyinglegacy posted...

It has lots of bugs, yes. Lacks content? Explain.

Lack of actual story is a big one. Lack of any characters to develop a story is even bigger. Getting bits of lore from random documents in this game does not generate a strong story line.

...its a multiplayer survival game, not a story driven RPG... seriously, people act like they actually expected a story from the damn thing. they were very direct in stating that the story would be piecemeal and fed to you by robots and notes.

Besides that, there is a story and a rather interesting one at that. Story spoilers:There are no NPCs because they are all dead. There is a plague that infects not just people but any and all creatures and turns them into a hive mind of killing machines. The plague is spread by mutated bats called scorchbeasts who carry a mutated virus and were created by the mining companies using nukes underground to mine faster with complete disregard for the safety of the workers. So anyway, there are numerous factions that all had to deal with this, the Raiders, Responders, Freestates, Brotherhood of Steel, and the Enclave. I wont go into detail about the factions themselves but as you find out through the main quest, they are all dead. Every one of them has been wiped out by this plague or the other dangers of the wasteland. The Brotherhood has determined that unless stopped, this plague and the scorchbeasts are an extinction level even and could go on to wipe out all live on the entire continent. You also find out that the factions all distrusted each other and refused to work together. They all individually had the pieces required to stop the plague but through paranoia and distrust (or lack of desire in the case of the raiders), none of them succeeded and literally all of them had died. The actual quests of the main quest have you going to each of the factions and gathering the pieces yourself.

Holy shit. I wish that I hadn't read that. So maybe we are, yet again, the chosen one? See, I haven't got that far in the story, because of the type of player I am. I explore first, then quest after I'm done with that. I've only just began the story, but I have picked up enough, though environmental storytelling, to understand that humans started to rebuild, but the scorched plague broke out and halted progress. Wish I could unread that.
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Dyinglegacy posted...

And that's OKAY.

Again, it's okay for you.

I'm wanting to say neither of us are wrong. We are both right in our own regards for what our expectations are for this fallout game.
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