Current Events > Trump actually askeded Iraq's PM for Oil as repayment for the war

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Bio1590 11/26/18 9:32:56 PM #1:	https://www.axios.com/newsletters/axios-sneak-peek-3d9cd027-b3bb-4276-aaba-6e75c5c5aeee.html?chunk=0#story0 President Trump twice raised to the Iraqi prime minister the idea of repaying America for its wars with Iraqi oil, a highly controversial ask that runs afoul of international norms and logic, sources with direct knowledge tell me. Trump appears to have finally given up on this idea, but until now it hasn't been revealed that as president he's raised the concept twice with Iraq's prime minister and brought it up separately in the Situation Room with his national security team. In March last year, at the end of a White House meeting with Iraq's then-Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi, Trump brought up the subject of taking oil from Iraq to reimburse the United States for the costs of the war there. "It was a very run-of-the-mill, low-key, meeting in general," a source who was in the room told Axios. "And then right at the end, Trump says something to the effect of, he gets a little smirk on his face and he says, 'So what are we going to do about the oil?'" Between the lines: On the campaign trail, Trump complained that the U.S. had spent trillions in Iraq and lost thousands of lives but got "nothing" in return. He lamented that usually in war "to the victor belong the spoils" and he repeatedly said the U.S. should have seized Iraq's oilfields as reimbursement for the steep costs of the war. Top national security figures from both parties condemned Trump's idea, calling it outrageous and unworkable a violation of international law that would fuel the propaganda of America's foes. In the March meeting, the Iraqi prime minister replied, "What do you mean?" according to the source in the room. "And Trump's like, 'Well, we did a lot, we did a lot over there, we spent trillions over there, and a lot of people have been talking about the oil.'" Al-Abadi "had clearly prepared," the source added, "and he said something like, 'Well, you know Mr. President, we work very closely with a lot of American companies and American energy companies have interests in our country,'" the source added. "He was smirking. And the president just kind of tapped his hand on the table as if to say 'I had to ask.'" "I remember thinking, 'Wow. He said it. He couldn't help himself,'" the source said. A second source who was in the room confirmed this account. "It was a look down and reach for your coffee moment," the second source said. A third source, who was briefed at the time on the conversation between Trump and al-Abadi, told me the back and forth "made its rounds" around the National Security Council. "It was still early on in the administration, and we were all still trying to figure out how this was going to go, and so it was one of those horror stories he's really going to do this." Why it matters: Trump's desire to raid Iraq's oil is illegal and unworkable. But it reveals a great deal about his approach to the Middle East. Trump remains hellbent on extracting payments from Middle Eastern countries, in the form of natural resources, for the trillions of dollars America has spent since the early 2000s. Bob Woodward and others have reported on the formal steps Trump took to push his team to extract rare minerals from Afghanistan as repayment for the war. (Security concerns have stymied that effort; though Afghan's leadership was more open to Trump's pitch than Iraq's leaders have been.) --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https://imgur.com/A0BErSV https://imgur.com/7fCcfko <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:913095565] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote>https://www.axios.com/newsletters/axios-sneak-peek-3d9cd027-b3bb-4276-aaba-6e75c5c5aeee.html?chunk=0#story0 <quote>President Trump twice raised to the Iraqi prime minister the idea of repaying America for its wars with Iraqi oil, a highly controversial ask that runs afoul of international norms and logic, sources with direct knowledge tell me. Trump appears to have finally given up on this idea, but until now it hasn't been revealed that as president he's raised the concept twice with Iraq's prime minister and brought it up separately in the Situation Room with his national security team. In March last year, at the end of a White House meeting with Iraq's then-Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi, Trump brought up the subject of taking oil from Iraq to reimburse the United States for the costs of the war there. "It was a very run-of-the-mill, low-key, meeting in general," a source who was in the room told Axios. "And then right at the end, Trump says something to the effect of, he gets a little smirk on his face and he says, 'So what are we going to do about the oil?'" Between the lines: On the campaign trail, Trump complained that the U.S. had spent trillions in Iraq and lost thousands of lives but got "nothing" in return. He lamented that usually in war "to the victor belong the spoils" and he repeatedly said the U.S. should have seized Iraq's oilfields as reimbursement for the steep costs of the war. Top national security figures from both parties condemned Trump's idea, calling it outrageous and unworkable a violation of international law that would fuel the propaganda of America's foes. In the March meeting, the Iraqi prime minister replied, "What do you mean?" according to the source in the room. "And Trump's like, 'Well, we did a lot, we did a lot over there, we spent trillions over there, and a lot of people have been talking about the oil.'" Al-Abadi "had clearly prepared," the source added, "and he said something like, 'Well, you know Mr. President, we work very closely with a lot of American companies and American energy companies have interests in our country,'" the source added. "He was smirking. And the president just kind of tapped his hand on the table as if to say 'I had to ask.'" "I remember thinking, 'Wow. He said it. He couldn't help himself,'" the source said. A second source who was in the room confirmed this account. "It was a look down and reach for your coffee moment," the second source said. A third source, who was briefed at the time on the conversation between Trump and al-Abadi, told me the back and forth "made its rounds" around the National Security Council. "It was still early on in the administration, and we were all still trying to figure out how this was going to go, and so it was one of those horror stories he's really going to do this." Why it matters: Trump's desire to raid Iraq's oil is illegal and unworkable. But it reveals a great deal about his approach to the Middle East. Trump remains hellbent on extracting payments from Middle Eastern countries, in the form of natural resources, for the trillions of dollars America has spent since the early 2000s. Bob Woodward and others have reported on the formal steps Trump took to push his team to extract rare minerals from Afghanistan as repayment for the war. (Security concerns have stymied that effort; though Afghan's leadership was more open to Trump's pitch than Iraq's leaders have been.)</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 11/26/18 9:33:06 PM #2:	Trump's national security team has mostly pushed back on or ignored these desires to raid Middle Eastern natural resources. The president raised the issue of oil again with al-Abadi on a phone call in the summer of 2017. The conversation was vague and didnt go anywhere, but H.R. McMaster admonished Trump afterward, according to a source with direct knowledge. In the source's recollection, the former national security adviser said to Trump, "We can't do this and you shouldn't talk about it. Because talking about it is just bad," the source said, channeling McMaster, "It's bad for America's reputation, it'll spook allies, it scares everybody, and it makes us look like I don't remember if he used words this harsh like criminals and thieves, but that was the point he was trying to get across." "You won't be able to do it anyway and you'll harm our reputation and your own reputation just from talking about it." Trump did not react kindly, the source said. "It was frustration that he was trying to get his advisers to do things that he wanted them to do and they were just pushing back." The bottom line: It's not a one-time thing. Two sources described being in the Situation Room in 2017 with Trump, Defense Secretary Mattis and national security officials discussing Iraq. Both said Trump brought up the prospect of seizing Iraq's oil, and Mattis pushed back. "Trump was like, 'We're idiots,'" recalled one of the sources who was in the Situation Room for the conversation. "[Trump] was like, 'What are we doing there, what do we get out of this, why don't we take the oil?'... And then Mattis spoke up. Made the same point that H.R. made. There's no physical way to do it. It would be a violation of international law, it would be demoralizing for allies in the region, it would give our enemies propaganda they'd be able to accuse us of theft." Asked about our reporting, Pentagon chief spokeswoman Dana White said, "We do not discuss internal deliberations, and the secretary's advice and counsel to the president is private." And an NSC spokesperson said, "We do not comment on the details of the president's conversations with foreign leaders." --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https://imgur.com/A0BErSV https://imgur.com/7fCcfko <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:913095573] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote><quote>Trump's national security team has mostly pushed back on or ignored these desires to raid Middle Eastern natural resources. The president raised the issue of oil again with al-Abadi on a phone call in the summer of 2017. The conversation was vague and didnt go anywhere, but H.R. McMaster admonished Trump afterward, according to a source with direct knowledge. In the source's recollection, the former national security adviser said to Trump, "We can't do this and you shouldn't talk about it. Because talking about it is just bad," the source said, channeling McMaster, "It's bad for America's reputation, it'll spook allies, it scares everybody, and it makes us look like I don't remember if he used words this harsh like criminals and thieves, but that was the point he was trying to get across." "You won't be able to do it anyway and you'll harm our reputation and your own reputation just from talking about it." Trump did not react kindly, the source said. "It was frustration that he was trying to get his advisers to do things that he wanted them to do and they were just pushing back." The bottom line: It's not a one-time thing. Two sources described being in the Situation Room in 2017 with Trump, Defense Secretary Mattis and national security officials discussing Iraq. Both said Trump brought up the prospect of seizing Iraq's oil, and Mattis pushed back. "Trump was like, 'We're idiots,'" recalled one of the sources who was in the Situation Room for the conversation. "[Trump] was like, 'What are we doing there, what do we get out of this, why don't we take the oil?'... And then Mattis spoke up. Made the same point that H.R. made. There's no physical way to do it. It would be a violation of international law, it would be demoralizing for allies in the region, it would give our enemies propaganda they'd be able to accuse us of theft." Asked about our reporting, Pentagon chief spokeswoman Dana White said, "We do not discuss internal deliberations, and the secretary's advice and counsel to the president is private." And an NSC spokesperson said, "We do not comment on the details of the president's conversations with foreign leaders."</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 11/26/18 9:33:47 PM #3:	Beginning to think this Donald Trump person is some sort of buffoon. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:913095621] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote>Beginning to think this Donald Trump person is some sort of buffoon.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Philoktetes 11/26/18 9:34:31 PM #4:	we spent billions of dollars and lost thousands of american lives to liberate Iraq from the tyranny of Saddam they could be a little grateful --- I don't think so, Tim. ~~ Pizza Crew ~~ <cite>Philoktetes posted [p:913095657] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote>we spent billions of dollars and lost thousands of american lives to liberate Iraq from the tyranny of Saddam they could be a little grateful</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CADE FOSTER 11/26/18 9:34:52 PM #5:	Trump is literally insane Bush should pay for that war --- https://imgtc.com/i/HXEuaL9.jpg https://imgtc.com/i/xZ5hGDm.jpg https://imgtc.com/i/UZiqG9l.jpg <cite>CADE FOSTER posted [p:913095675] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote>Trump is literally insane Bush should pay for that war</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 11/26/18 9:35:52 PM #6:	Philoktetes posted... we spent billions of dollars and lost thousands of american lives to liberate Iraq from the tyranny of Saddam they could be a little grateful "Moral Desserts" --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:913095736] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote><cite>Philoktetes posted...</cite> <quote>we spent billions of dollars and lost thousands of american lives to liberate Iraq from the tyranny of Saddam they could be a little grateful </quote> "Moral Desserts"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Intro2Logic 11/26/18 9:37:17 PM #7:	Credit to Trump for proving all the crudest anti-war signs from 2004 exactly right in their analysis. --- Have you tried thinking rationally? <cite>Intro2Logic posted [p:913095803] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote>Credit to Trump for proving all the crudest anti-war signs from 2004 exactly right in their analysis.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Freddie_Mercury 11/26/18 9:37:26 PM #8:	Bio1590 posted... "Trump was like, 'We're idiots,'" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqu132vTl5Y" data-time=" --- piranha plant <cite>Freddie_Mercury posted [p:913095815] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote><cite>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote>"Trump was like, 'We're idiots,'" </quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqu132vTl5Y" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ray_Dorset 11/26/18 9:38:57 PM #9:	Philoktetes posted... we spent billions of dollars and lost thousands of american lives to liberate Iraq from the tyranny of Saddam they could be a little grateful More like we falsely accused them of harboring WMDs and being connected to the 9/11 attacks so that Jr could invade them and make defense companies ungodly amounts of money while simultaneously overthrowing a despot which led to a power vacuum and the rise of terrorist groups and the destabilization of the middle east. but yeah, "democracy" --- https://currentevents.ws/ https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1474-imgtc-development <cite>Ray_Dorset posted [p:913095895] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote><cite>Philoktetes posted...</cite> <quote>we spent billions of dollars and lost thousands of american lives to liberate Iraq from the tyranny of Saddam they could be a little grateful</quote> More like we falsely accused them of harboring WMDs and being connected to the 9/11 attacks so that Jr could invade them and make defense companies ungodly amounts of money while simultaneously overthrowing a despot which led to a power vacuum and the rise of terrorist groups and the destabilization of the middle east. but yeah, "democracy"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CADE FOSTER 11/26/18 9:40:04 PM #10:	Conservatives all think like Trump dont they? --- https://imgtc.com/i/HXEuaL9.jpg https://imgtc.com/i/xZ5hGDm.jpg https://imgtc.com/i/UZiqG9l.jpg <cite>CADE FOSTER posted [p:913095956] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote>Conservatives all think like Trump dont they?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Philoktetes 11/26/18 9:41:58 PM #11:	Ray_Dorset posted... Philoktetes posted... we spent billions of dollars and lost thousands of american lives to liberate Iraq from the tyranny of Saddam they could be a little grateful More like we falsely accused them of harboring WMDs and being connected to the 9/11 attacks so that Jr could invade them and make defense companies ungodly amounts of money while simultaneously overthrowing a despot which led to a power vacuum and the rise of terrorist groups and the destabilization of the middle east. but yeah, "democracy" we were wrong about WMDs, but we went in there with good intentions it was just a mistake, bro --- I don't think so, Tim. ~~ Pizza Crew ~~ <cite>Philoktetes posted [p:913096060] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote><cite>Ray_Dorset posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Philoktetes posted...</cite> <quote>we spent billions of dollars and lost thousands of american lives to liberate Iraq from the tyranny of Saddam they could be a little grateful</quote> More like we falsely accused them of harboring WMDs and being connected to the 9/11 attacks so that Jr could invade them and make defense companies ungodly amounts of money while simultaneously overthrowing a despot which led to a power vacuum and the rise of terrorist groups and the destabilization of the middle east. but yeah, "democracy"</quote> we were wrong about WMDs, but we went in there with good intentions it was just a mistake, bro</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 11/26/18 9:43:37 PM #12:	Philoktetes posted... we were wrong about WMDs, but we went in there with good intentions "Oh hey the entire region was destabilized and like a million people are dead, but it's okay because the US had good intentions" --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:913096158] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote><cite>Philoktetes posted...</cite> <quote>we were wrong about WMDs, but we went in there with good intentions </quote> "Oh hey the entire region was destabilized and like a million people are dead, but it's okay because the US had good intentions"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alphamon 11/26/18 9:44:04 PM #13:	Republicans never have good intentions. Who are you kidding? <cite>Alphamon posted [p:913096184] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote>Republicans never have good intentions. Who are you kidding?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OBCD 11/26/18 9:44:10 PM #14:	askeded <cite>OBCD posted [p:913096189] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote>askeded</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OBCD 11/26/18 9:44:25 PM #15:	Alphamon posted... Republicans never have good intentions. Who are you kidding? no u <cite>OBCD posted [p:913096204] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote><cite>Alphamon posted...</cite> <quote>Republicans never have good intentions. Who are you kidding?</quote> no u</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DirkDiggles 11/26/18 9:46:01 PM #16:	Philoktetes posted... but we went in there with good intentions --- https://imgtc.com/i/5CTKeaL.jpg https://imgtc.com/i/G9w39yE.gif <cite>DirkDiggles posted [p:913096294] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote><cite>Philoktetes posted...</cite> <quote>but we went in there with good intentions </quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Correct_Facts 11/26/18 9:48:13 PM #17:	CADE FOSTER posted... Trump is literally insane Bush should pay for that war lol Congress voted for the the war but everyone seems to forget that fact. <cite>Correct_Facts posted [p:913096405] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote><cite>CADE FOSTER posted...</cite> <quote>Trump is literally insane Bush should pay for that war</quote> lol Congress voted for the the war but everyone seems to forget that fact.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Correct_Facts 11/26/18 9:48:40 PM #18:	Alphamon posted... Republicans never have good intentions. Who are you kidding? Republicans ended slavery <cite>Correct_Facts posted [p:913096427] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote><cite>Alphamon posted...</cite> <quote>Republicans never have good intentions. Who are you kidding?</quote> Republicans ended slavery</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alphamon 11/26/18 9:49:08 PM #19:	Correct_Facts posted... Alphamon posted... Republicans never have good intentions. Who are you kidding? durrr durrrr durrrrrrrrrrrrr <cite>Alphamon posted [p:913096458] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote><cite>Correct_Facts posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Alphamon posted...</cite> <quote>Republicans never have good intentions. Who are you kidding?</quote> durrr durrrr durrrrrrrrrrrrr</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 11/26/18 9:49:27 PM #20:	Correct_Facts posted... lol Congress voted for the the war but everyone seems to forget that fact. That's fair. We shouldn't forget the fact the the Republican-led House and Senate voted for the war in Iraq --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:913096474] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote><cite>Correct_Facts posted...</cite> <quote>lol Congress voted for the the war but everyone seems to forget that fact. </quote> That's fair. We shouldn't forget the fact the the Republican-led House and Senate voted for the war in Iraq</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ray_Dorset 11/26/18 9:51:03 PM #21:	Correct_Facts posted... Alphamon posted... Republicans never have good intentions. Who are you kidding? Republicans ended slavery --- https://currentevents.ws/ https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1474-imgtc-development <cite>Ray_Dorset posted [p:913096558] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote><cite>Correct_Facts posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Alphamon posted...</cite> <quote>Republicans never have good intentions. Who are you kidding?</quote> Republicans ended slavery</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 11/26/18 10:32:15 PM #22:	Whose shitty alt is this --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https://imgur.com/A0BErSV https://imgur.com/7fCcfko <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:913098799] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote>Whose shitty alt is this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 11/26/18 10:38:28 PM #23:	Philoktetes posted... Ray_Dorset posted... Philoktetes posted... we spent billions of dollars and lost thousands of american lives to liberate Iraq from the tyranny of Saddam they could be a little grateful More like we falsely accused them of harboring WMDs and being connected to the 9/11 attacks so that Jr could invade them and make defense companies ungodly amounts of money while simultaneously overthrowing a despot which led to a power vacuum and the rise of terrorist groups and the destabilization of the middle east. but yeah, "democracy" we were wrong about WMDs, but we went in there with good intentions it was just a mistake, bro The road to hell. --- Sarcasm is my basic function. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:913099140] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote><cite>Philoktetes posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ray_Dorset posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Philoktetes posted...</cite> <quote>we spent billions of dollars and lost thousands of american lives to liberate Iraq from the tyranny of Saddam they could be a little grateful</quote> More like we falsely accused them of harboring WMDs and being connected to the 9/11 attacks so that Jr could invade them and make defense companies ungodly amounts of money while simultaneously overthrowing a despot which led to a power vacuum and the rise of terrorist groups and the destabilization of the middle east. but yeah, "democracy"</quote> we were wrong about WMDs, but we went in there with good intentions it was just a mistake, bro</quote> The road to hell.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 11/26/18 10:45:24 PM #24:	Correct_Facts posted... Alphamon posted... Republicans never have good intentions. Who are you kidding? Republicans ended slavery Yep when they were the more liberal party they did good things. --- Sarcasm is my basic function. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:913099484] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote><cite>Correct_Facts posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Alphamon posted...</cite> <quote>Republicans never have good intentions. Who are you kidding?</quote> Republicans ended slavery</quote> Yep when they were the more liberal party they did good things.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 11/26/18 10:50:03 PM #25:	Correct_Facts posted... Alphamon posted... Republicans never have good intentions. Who are you kidding? Republicans ended slavery So why are they defending confederate flags and statues? --- Who is? I am! <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:913099705] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote><cite>Correct_Facts posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Alphamon posted...</cite> <quote>Republicans never have good intentions. Who are you kidding?</quote> Republicans ended slavery</quote> So why are they defending confederate flags and statues?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RoboLaserGandhi 11/26/18 10:53:12 PM #26:	I don't think there's ever been a democratically elected leader with less tact. <cite>RoboLaserGandhi posted [p:913099871] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote>I don't think there's ever been a democratically elected leader with less tact.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 11/26/18 10:54:12 PM #27:	RoboLaserGandhi posted... I don't think there's ever been a democratically elected leader with less tact. I'm sure the Republicans can dig up something worse in about 12-16 years --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:913099938] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote><cite>RoboLaserGandhi posted...</cite> <quote>I don't think there's ever been a democratically elected leader with less tact.</quote> I'm sure the Republicans can dig up something worse in about 12-16 years</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RoboLaserGandhi 11/26/18 10:55:21 PM #28:	Doom_Art posted... RoboLaserGandhi posted... I don't think there's ever been a democratically elected leader with less tact. I'm sure the Republicans can dig up something worse in about 12-16 years I legitimately don't think so. It's truly special just how bad he is. These are once in a century types of leaders. <cite>RoboLaserGandhi posted [p:913100011] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RoboLaserGandhi posted...</cite> <quote>I don't think there's ever been a democratically elected leader with less tact.</quote> I'm sure the Republicans can dig up something worse in about 12-16 years</quote> I legitimately don't think so. It's truly special just how bad he is. These are once in a century types of leaders.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 11/26/18 10:56:17 PM #29:	Hmmm turns out hes just as stupid meeting with foreign leaders as he is campaigning --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:913100055] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote>Hmmm turns out hes just as stupid meeting with foreign leaders as he is campaigning</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alphamon 11/26/18 10:57:27 PM #30:	RoboLaserGandhi posted... Doom_Art posted... RoboLaserGandhi posted... I don't think there's ever been a democratically elected leader with less tact. I'm sure the Republicans can dig up something worse in about 12-16 years I legitimately don't think so. It's truly special just how bad he is. These are once in a century types of leaders. Nah. Trump is simply the leader that represents Republican values the most. None of them actually liked Romney or McCain. Trump is who they really like <cite>Alphamon posted [p:913100116] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote><cite>RoboLaserGandhi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RoboLaserGandhi posted...</cite> <quote>I don't think there's ever been a democratically elected leader with less tact.</quote> I'm sure the Republicans can dig up something worse in about 12-16 years</quote> I legitimately don't think so. It's truly special just how bad he is. These are once in a century types of leaders.</quote> Nah. Trump is simply the leader that represents Republican values the most. None of them actually liked Romney or McCain. Trump is who they really like</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RoboLaserGandhi 11/26/18 10:59:29 PM #31:	Alphamon posted... RoboLaserGandhi posted... Doom_Art posted... RoboLaserGandhi posted... I don't think there's ever been a democratically elected leader with less tact. I'm sure the Republicans can dig up something worse in about 12-16 years I legitimately don't think so. It's truly special just how bad he is. These are once in a century types of leaders. Nah. Trump is simply the leader that represents Republican values the most. None of them actually liked Romney or McCain. Trump is who they really like It's not really his values I'm talking about, it's about how he actually does the job. <cite>RoboLaserGandhi posted [p:913100236] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote><cite>Alphamon posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RoboLaserGandhi posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doom_Art posted...</cite> <quote><cite>RoboLaserGandhi posted...</cite> <quote>I don't think there's ever been a democratically elected leader with less tact.</quote> I'm sure the Republicans can dig up something worse in about 12-16 years</quote> I legitimately don't think so. It's truly special just how bad he is. These are once in a century types of leaders.</quote> Nah. Trump is simply the leader that represents Republican values the most. None of them actually liked Romney or McCain. Trump is who they really like</quote> It's not really his values I'm talking about, it's about how he actually does the job.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alphamon 11/26/18 11:00:10 PM #32:	RoboLaserGandhi posted... It's not really his values I'm talking about, it's about how he actually does the job. Its both. And he has a near 90 percent approval ratings by them. Exactly what's stopping them from picking a Trump 2.0 in 2024? <cite>Alphamon posted [p:913100277] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote><cite>RoboLaserGandhi posted...</cite> <quote>It's not really his values I'm talking about, it's about how he actually does the job. </quote> Its both. And he has a near 90 percent approval ratings by them. Exactly what's stopping them from picking a Trump 2.0 in 2024?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 11/26/18 11:07:43 PM #33:	Philoktetes posted... Ray_Dorset posted... Philoktetes posted... we spent billions of dollars and lost thousands of american lives to liberate Iraq from the tyranny of Saddam they could be a little grateful More like we falsely accused them of harboring WMDs and being connected to the 9/11 attacks so that Jr could invade them and make defense companies ungodly amounts of money while simultaneously overthrowing a despot which led to a power vacuum and the rise of terrorist groups and the destabilization of the middle east. but yeah, "democracy" we were wrong about WMDs, but we went in there with good intentions it was just a mistake, bro One that cost a few hundred thousand their lives. Not to mention there is evidence that it was the WMD threat was wildly over exaggerated to drum up support for the war. --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:913100700] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote><cite>Philoktetes posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Ray_Dorset posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Philoktetes posted...</cite> <quote>we spent billions of dollars and lost thousands of american lives to liberate Iraq from the tyranny of Saddam they could be a little grateful</quote> More like we falsely accused them of harboring WMDs and being connected to the 9/11 attacks so that Jr could invade them and make defense companies ungodly amounts of money while simultaneously overthrowing a despot which led to a power vacuum and the rise of terrorist groups and the destabilization of the middle east. but yeah, "democracy"</quote> we were wrong about WMDs, but we went in there with good intentions it was just a mistake, bro</quote> One that cost a few hundred thousand their lives. Not to mention there is evidence that it was the WMD threat was wildly over exaggerated to drum up support for the war.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unsugarized_Foo 11/26/18 11:09:00 PM #34:	Hell yeah. Go there and let them take their own oil for us --- "All I have is my balls and my word, and I don't break them for anyone!"-Tony Montana <cite>Unsugarized_Foo posted [p:913100765] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote>Hell yeah. Go there and let them take their own oil for us</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tremain07 11/26/18 11:11:35 PM #35:	It was a mistake like the drug war but since these mistakes make alot of private companies a shitload of money we'll keep right on doing it --- IGN: Sun FC: 0061-0132-7564 <cite>tremain07 posted [p:913100904] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote>It was a mistake like the drug war but since these mistakes make alot of private companies a shitload of money we'll keep right on doing it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Philoktetes 11/26/18 11:12:42 PM #36:	how was the drug war a mistake? --- I don't think so, Tim. ~~ Pizza Crew ~~ <cite>Philoktetes posted [p:913100966] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote>how was the drug war a mistake?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 11/26/18 11:16:59 PM #37:	Antifar posted... Beginning to think this Donald Trump person is some sort of buffoon. --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:913101183] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote><cite>Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Beginning to think this Donald Trump person is some sort of buffoon.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 11/26/18 11:28:41 PM #38:	@Antifar posted... Beginning to think this Donald Trump person is some sort of buffoon. Do you type this whole thing out every time or do you have the base saved on your phone? --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https://imgur.com/A0BErSV https://imgur.com/7fCcfko <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:913101776] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote><cite>@Antifar posted...</cite> <quote>Beginning to think this Donald Trump person is some sort of buffoon.</quote> Do you type this whole thing out every time or do you have the base saved on your phone?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
tremain07 11/26/18 11:29:18 PM #39:	Philoktetes posted... how was the drug war a mistake? Nixon made it just to have a legal excuse to lock up minorities and actively played a role in flooding areas with drugs because back then the government considered black leaders to be terrorists. --- IGN: Sun FC: 0061-0132-7564 <cite>tremain07 posted [p:913101800] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote><cite>Philoktetes posted...</cite> <quote>how was the drug war a mistake?</quote> Nixon made it just to have a legal excuse to lock up minorities and actively played a role in flooding areas with drugs because back then the government considered black leaders to be terrorists.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CADE FOSTER 11/26/18 11:29:36 PM #40:	Trump is the dumbest president in the history of America --- https://imgtc.com/i/HXEuaL9.jpg https://imgtc.com/i/xZ5hGDm.jpg https://imgtc.com/i/UZiqG9l.jpg <cite>CADE FOSTER posted [p:913101820] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote>Trump is the dumbest president in the history of America</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Philoktetes 11/26/18 11:35:38 PM #41:	it's not the government's fault that people do drug it's a lack of moral fiber --- I don't think so, Tim. ~~ Pizza Crew ~~ <cite>Philoktetes posted [p:913102120] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote>it's not the government's fault that people do drug it's a lack of moral fiber</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 11/26/18 11:37:09 PM #42:	tremain07 posted... Nixon made it just to have a legal excuse to lock up minorities and actively played a role in flooding areas with drugs because back then the government considered black leaders to be terrorists. for a long time i had this pegged as a conspiracy but a guy who worked in the nixon admin admitted that this was the case --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:913102190] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote><cite>tremain07 posted...</cite> <quote>Nixon made it just to have a legal excuse to lock up minorities and actively played a role in flooding areas with drugs because back then the government considered black leaders to be terrorists. </quote> for a long time i had this pegged as a conspiracy but a guy who worked in the nixon admin admitted that this was the case</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DanAnsumHandsom 11/26/18 11:37:27 PM #43:	He's spitballing ideas, that's how a business man thinks. --- Let me show you my Gamefaqs. <cite>DanAnsumHandsom posted [p:913102201] in Trump actu... [t:77242977]...</cite> <quote>He's spitballing ideas, that's how a business man thinks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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