Current Events > I know it is done to death, but how can piracy really be justified?

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While stealing is not the best word since no product has actually been stolen, the illegal useage of the product by foregoing the licensing agreement is not. All games are licensed to you. Not buying this is illegal and breaking the contract that users of the product are supposed to abide by. This contract is enforced by the law, as failure to obey result in an unprofitable Business where these products are just a waste of money.

The only exception i can think of is Roms, as they are simply public domain until companies enforce their claim on them Imo. Fanmade games unfortunately fall under the same category, but if companies aren't fucking stupid, they would recruit the fans depending on the quality, sell the product as an unofficial spinoff, and give a kickback to the developer.

Because the games not worth the price.

This is cowardly because the ToS sides with you so the opposing side cant say much.

Get a life.
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People like free stuff.
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LordMarshal posted...

Because the games not worth the price.

This is cowardly because the ToS sides with you so the opposing side cant say much.

Get a life.

Why are people like you even allow to take the high road? You just consume from those who produces and create nothing of value. You are lowly and with no merit to your character. Repent.

Because some people can't afford things and get mad when they can't have them.
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assassinCrash posted...

People like free stuff.

Why not take from your mother than? Leech off her forever. Its free right?

Only old games that the devs aren't going to profit from anyway imo

SkittyOnWailord posted...

Because some people can't afford things and get mad when they can't have them.

Be a responsible consumer. This is America problem. People are to caught up in consuming, that they do not save and invest.

Can selling you things you cannot own be justified?
No.

Thus piracy can be justified in terms of the unethical idea of selling you a product that you do not own.
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Teddytalks posted...

LordMarshal posted...

Because the games not worth the price.

This is cowardly because the ToS sides with you so the opposing side cant say much.

Get a life.

Why are people like you even allow to take the high road? You just consume from those who produces and create nothing of value. You are as lowly and without value in your life. Repent you cheap, entitled smooth brain.

Marked for flaming.
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It can't be. Everyone knows it is stealing.

So just call it stealing. It isn't a big deal.

If you want to justify it look at it this way. The companies you're stealing from work really hard to separate you from your money and won't hesitate an instant to do whatever will positively effect the bottom line*. You, as a consumer, are entitled to use any means at your disposal to stretch your dollars as far as possible. That includes illegal methods. Just don't get caught.

* Caveat is independent game companies. But even most of those are just looking for a payday anyway.
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02fran posted...

Only old games that the devs aren't going to profit from anyway imo

I can side with this, but if devs want to use the old games, they should have the right to pull them.

7 believe if the original publishers aren't getting the money, like the only versions are sold by other people new or not, that it's justified.
I would also extent that somewhat to copyrighted material in general but you see things like novels, free works, etc, being sold yet freely and legally available

Teddytalks posted...

LordMarshal posted...

Because the games not worth the price.

This is cowardly because the ToS sides with you so the opposing side cant say much.

Get a life.

Why are people like you even allow to take the high road? You just consume from those who produces and create nothing of value. You are as lowly and without value in your life. Repent you cheap, entitled smooth brain.

What are you talking about?

So bitching about piracy on a video games sites social board does nothing. If people want to do it they just can and do while you cry about it.
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Genocet_10-325 posted...

Teddytalks posted...

LordMarshal posted...

Because the games not worth the price.

This is cowardly because the ToS sides with you so the opposing side cant say much.

Get a life.

Why are people like you even allow to take the high road? You just consume from those who produces and create nothing of value. You are as lowly and without value in your life. Repent you cheap, entitled smooth brain.

Marked for flaming.

OMG I am scared. The entitled neets cast judgement on me.

Teddytalks posted...

SkittyOnWailord posted...

Because some people can't afford things and get mad when they can't have them.

Be a responsible consumer. This is America problem. People are to caught up in consuming, that they do not save and invest.

This is America, what do you expect? There's a reason Walmart is so popular here.
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LordMarshal posted...

Teddytalks posted...

LordMarshal posted...

Because the games not worth the price.

This is cowardly because the ToS sides with you so the opposing side cant say much.

Get a life.

Why are people like you even allow to take the high road? You just consume from those who produces and create nothing of value. You are as lowly and without value in your life. Repent you cheap, entitled smooth brain.

What are you talking about?

So bitching about piracy on a video games sites social board does nothing. If people want to do it they just can and do while you cry about it.

Neither do your counter bitching. Question is, why do you even care?

SkittyOnWailord posted...

Teddytalks posted...

SkittyOnWailord posted...

Because some people can't afford things and get mad when they can't have them.

Be a responsible consumer. This is America problem. People are to caught up in consuming, that they do not save and invest.

This is America, what do you expect? There's a reason Walmart is so popular here.

Sometimes I wish for better.

lordofmud posted...

It can't be. Everyone knows it is stealing.

So just call it stealing. It isn't a big deal.

If you want to justify it look at it this way. The companies you're stealing from work really hard to separate you from your money and won't hesitate an instant to do whatever will positively effect the bottom line*. You, as a consumer, are entitled to use any means at your disposal to stretch your dollars as far as possible. That includes illegal methods. Just don't get caught.

* Caveat is independent game companies. But even most of those are just looking for a payday anyway.

Guess what else is stealing?
Selling somebody something and then saying "oh wait, you don't own that lolz".

I am not advocating piracy, but philosophically it can be justified more than the idea of buying licenses.
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people will justify why they should have free shit even if they were shitting on somebody else in a previous argument for wanting free shit.
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Teddytalks posted...

LordMarshal posted...

Teddytalks posted...

LordMarshal posted...

Because the games not worth the price.

This is cowardly because the ToS sides with you so the opposing side cant say much.

Get a life.

Why are people like you even allow to take the high road? You just consume from those who produces and create nothing of value. You are as lowly and without value in your life. Repent you cheap, entitled smooth brain.

What are you talking about?

So bitching about piracy on a video games sites social board does nothing. If people want to do it they just can and do while you cry about it.

Neither do your counter bitching. Question is, why do you even care?

Because free is awesome.
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lordofmud posted...

It can't be. Everyone knows it is stealing.

So just call it stealing. It isn't a big deal.

If you want to justify it look at it this way. The companies you're stealing from work really hard to separate you from your money and won't hesitate an instant to do whatever will positively effect the bottom line*. You, as a consumer, are entitled to use any means at your disposal to stretch your dollars as far as possible. That includes illegal methods. Just don't get caught.

* Caveat is independent game companies. But even most of those are just looking for a payday anyway.

This is the point of any business, to make money. Might as will steal from any business.

hotcegaI posted...

7 believe if the original publishers aren't getting the money, like the only versions are sold by other people new or not, that it's justified.
I would also extent that somewhat to copyrighted material in general but you see things like novels, free works, etc, being sold yet freely and legally available

Funny thing is when you buy a novel, you can do whatever you want with it, it is yours.

You can write over the pages. You can give it to a friend. You can sell it.
You can lend it to be read by friends.

With games, they hide behind licenses to take away true ownership from the buyer.
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LordMarshal posted...

Teddytalks posted...

LordMarshal posted...

Teddytalks posted...

LordMarshal posted...

Because the games not worth the price.

This is cowardly because the ToS sides with you so the opposing side cant say much.

Get a life.

Why are people like you even allow to take the high road? You just consume from those who produces and create nothing of value. You are as lowly and without value in your life. Repent you cheap, entitled smooth brain.

What are you talking about?

So bitching about piracy on a video games sites social board does nothing. If people want to do it they just can and do while you cry about it.

Neither do your counter bitching. Question is, why do you even care?

Because free is awesome.

You sound like a literal neet. Not even using as flame but as a designator.

Teddytalks posted...

LordMarshal posted...

Teddytalks posted...

LordMarshal posted...

Teddytalks posted...

LordMarshal posted...

Because the games not worth the price.

This is cowardly because the ToS sides with you so the opposing side cant say much.

Get a life.

Why are people like you even allow to take the high road? You just consume from those who produces and create nothing of value. You are as lowly and without value in your life. Repent you cheap, entitled smooth brain.

What are you talking about?

So bitching about piracy on a video games sites social board does nothing. If people want to do it they just can and do while you cry about it.

Neither do your counter bitching. Question is, why do you even care?

Because free is awesome.

You sound like a literal neet. Not even using as flame but as a designator.

You have to feel better about me getting free stuff while you feel bad about it and have to pay.

Its a fair trade off to me.
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RickyTheBAWSE posted...

people will justify why they should have free shit even if they were shitting on somebody else in a previous argument for wanting free shit.

I'm waiting for the day when people start to complain that they aren't being paid to play the games. Why stop at saying they should have free stuff? Why not get paid for stealing?
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+Games no longer commercially available
+Games in copyright purgatory
+Games that are not possibly to legally purchase in your region and likely never will be
+A game you already own and for your personal use
+Recovering games lost to hardware failure(unless you got bricked for bad piracy in the first place or something)

-Making money on piracy
-distributing a game currently or soon to be commercially available
-making money on a fan game without permission
-Deliberately trying to harm a company with piracy
-Making minimal changes to try to dance around copyright on a technicality
-Not supporting official releases of games you pirated in the past (within reason.)
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SkittyOnWailord posted...

RickyTheBAWSE posted...

people will justify why they should have free shit even if they were shitting on somebody else in a previous argument for wanting free shit.

I'm waiting for the day when people start to complain that they aren't being paid to play the games. Why stop at saying they should have free stuff? Why not get paid for stealing?

Exactly. If you could get paid for crying youd be rich.
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pikachupwnage posted...

+Games no longer commercially available
+Games in copyright purgatory
+Games that are not possibly to legally purchase in your region and likely never will be
+A game you already own and for your personal use
+Recovering games lost to hardware failure(unless you got bricked for bad piracy in the first place or something)

-Making money on piracy
-distributing a game currently or soon to be commercially available
-making money on a fan game without permission
-Deliberately trying to harm a company with piracy

A+ post
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Teddytalks posted...

02fran posted...

Only old games that the devs aren't going to profit from anyway imo

I can side with this, but if devs want to use the old games, they should have the right to pull them.

Agreed, which is why steam and PSN flourish. Some publishers seem to have quite a bit of trouble with this though. An addendum I'd like to make is that games that aren't localized like mother 3, the old fire emblem games and ace attorney investigations 2 is only really accessible through fan translation patches on ROMs and the like. You can theoretically patch them on an imported version but it's a huge hassle that most gamers don't have the capacity to do and you can't really do it with "clean" systems anyway.

LordMarshal posted...

Teddytalks posted...

LordMarshal posted...

Teddytalks posted...

LordMarshal posted...

Teddytalks posted...

LordMarshal posted...

Because the games not worth the price.

This is cowardly because the ToS sides with you so the opposing side cant say much.

Get a life.

Why are people like you even allow to take the high road? You just consume from those who produces and create nothing of value. You are as lowly and without value in your life. Repent you cheap, entitled smooth brain.

What are you talking about?

So bitching about piracy on a video games sites social board does nothing. If people want to do it they just can and do while you cry about it.

Neither do your counter bitching. Question is, why do you even care?

Because free is awesome.

You sound like a literal neet. Not even using as flame but as a designator.

You have to feel better about me getting free stuff while you feel bad about it and have to pay.

Its a fair trade off to me.

I am going off to Airforce. Gonna be something my family going to be proud. You are going be someone that takes video games for a living that you don't pay for. Do you really feel like a man? Or a needy kid.

Another consideration is try to buy.

Don't play the whole game but see if it worth the money when there is no available or good demo.
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I don't need to justify it.
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Teddytalks posted...

I am going off to Airforce. Gonna be something my family going to be proud. You are going be someone that takes video games for a living that you don't pay for. Do you really feel like a man? Or a needy kid.

Well go do that and dont give a shit about piracy. You go be all high and mighty and proud and defend me while i play my free games.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

Another consideration is try to buy.

Don't play the whole game but see if it worth the money when there is no available or good demo.

I like this too.

I kinda feel bad for you marsshall.

Teddytalks posted...

darkphoenix181 posted...

Another consideration is try to buy.

Don't play the whole game but see if it worth the money when there is no available or good demo.

I like this too.

Its still stealing. Even if you stole one copy and bought another.
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Teddytalks posted...

I kinda feel bad for you marsshall.

Why? I feel nothing for you. I dont care what you think of me one way or the other.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

hotcegaI posted...

7 believe if the original publishers aren't getting the money, like the only versions are sold by other people new or not, that it's justified.
I would also extent that somewhat to copyrighted material in general but you see things like novels, free works, etc, being sold yet freely and legally available

Funny thing is when you buy a novel, you can do whatever you want with it, it is yours.

You can write over the pages. You can give it to a friend. You can sell it.
You can lend it to be read by friends.

With games, they hide behind licenses to take away true ownership from the buyer.

They have it both ways with this.

If the disc breaks, it's not like they will send me another one for free even though they should by this logic. The disc is what broke, not my "license."
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Don't care how much some giant corporation like EA or Bethesda makes.
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While profiting by selling pirated works is definitely unjustifiable, the act of consuming pirated media is often justified by claiming the net result is actually positive.

The idea is that even though you are consuming content you haven't paid for, people will buy things they like to support them. So, if they like a pirated game or movie enough, they will pay for it. Likewise, they may become fans of the company or series as a result, and purchase other games in the lineup. On a similar note, more people consuming content means more people talking about it.

Of course, it's still illegal to consume content you haven't paid for. And there will be those who never pay for content they like. But at the very least, the argument is that the extra exposure will earn companies more fans and sales in the long run.

I don't consider it wrong if it genuinely is something you would not have ever been willing to actually purchase, as a moral utilitarian

For example, say a hypothetical person that is not me I swear finds out that PS Vita is cracked wide open to the point that you can grab games for free off of Sony's very own servers. This person is not the type that would even fuck with portable gaming under other circumstances, as he already has a PC and doesn't really game on the go. Well that's kind of attractive and adds an appeal to the system that was not there before, which singlehandedly justifies buying one.

He wouldn't have bought the games even if they weren't available for free.
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Turtlemayor333 posted...

If the disc breaks, it's not like they will send me another one for free even though they should by this logic. The disc is what broke, not my "license."

good point

with digital though you can re-download
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darkphoenix181 posted...

Guess what else is stealing?
Selling somebody something and then saying "oh wait, you don't own that lolz".

That's not stealing.

Like, you can talk about the ethics of it and stuff, but stealing is far from the right word.
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A lot of people on this board suddenly have radical views on property when it comes to something they like
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Antifar posted...

A lot of people on this board suddenly have radical views on property when it comes to something they like

Alot of users on this board are self motivated. Selfish individuals. It becomes apparent whenever women and sex comes up. Anything they can derive pleasure or benefit from is twisted in such a way that they do not seem like the bad guy for demanding it. Alot of users can give disassociated responses to the reality around them. Alot of them cannot.

assassinCrash posted...

People like free stuff.

Yes, that is really the only answer that can be taken seriously. A lot of people talk about things being too expensive, companies being greedy, security measures being anti-privacy, and blah, blah, blah. Its all excuses. Just man up and say you like free shit.
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

assassinCrash posted...

People like free stuff.

Yes, that is really the only answer that can be taken seriously. A lot of people talk about things being too expensive, companies being greedy, security measures being anti-privacy, and blah, blah, blah. Its all excuses. Just man up and say you like free shit.

The "game developers are greedy" argument is my favorite.

Person A creates something at great expense.
Person B demands a copy of it for free.
Person A objects.
Person B declares person A to be the greedy variable in the equation.

Just doesn't work like that.
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Yes, that is really the only answer that can be taken seriously. A lot of people talk about things being too expensive, companies being greedy, security measures being anti-privacy, and blah, blah, blah. Its all excuses. Just man up and say you like free s***.

My favorite excuse is "You can't trust reviews!"

The most pirated video games/tv shows/movies are by far the most popular ones. Studios with great track records and production houses known to put out good content.
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