Current Events > Crazy mob of Antifa attack Tucker Carlson's home and family.

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Apparently being Tucker Carlson is a protected class nowadays.
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3rd_Best_Master posted...

Apparently being Tucker Carlson is a protected class nowadays.

No, believe it or not threatening someone and vandalizing their property is actually a crime, it has nothing to do with being a protected class and everything to do with having the right to feel safe in your own home.

AcFan87 posted...

3rd_Best_Master posted...

Apparently being Tucker Carlson is a protected class nowadays.

No, believe it or not threatening someone and vandalizing their property is actually a crime, it has nothing to do with being a protected class and everything to do with having the right to feel safe in your own home.

I never said it wasn't a crime, but a "hate crime" is a specific classification.

Unless DC treats political based crime as a hate crime, I'm not sure. Usually those articles will state why they're treating something as a hate crime, that article was light on that part.
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AcFan87 posted...

3rd_Best_Master posted...

Apparently being Tucker Carlson is a protected class nowadays.

No, believe it or not threatening someone and vandalizing their property is actually a crime, it has nothing to do with being a protected class and everything to do with having the right to feel safe in your own home.

He was obviously referring to the hate crime label. Which is pretty funny.
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3rd_Best_Master posted...

AcFan87 posted...

3rd_Best_Master posted...

Apparently being Tucker Carlson is a protected class nowadays.

No, believe it or not threatening someone and vandalizing their property is actually a crime, it has nothing to do with being a protected class and everything to do with having the right to feel safe in your own home.

I never said it wasn't a crime, but a "hate crime" is a specific classification.

Unless DC treats political based crime as a hate crime, I'm not sure. Usually those articles will state why they're treating something as a hate crime, that article was light on that part.

The article clearly says that:

There were no arrests, but police confiscated several signs. The report lists the incident as a suspected hate crime on the basis of anti-political bias.

3rd_Best_Master posted...

AcFan87 posted...

3rd_Best_Master posted...

Apparently being Tucker Carlson is a protected class nowadays.

No, believe it or not threatening someone and vandalizing their property is actually a crime, it has nothing to do with being a protected class and everything to do with having the right to feel safe in your own home.

I never said it wasn't a crime, but a "hate crime" is a specific classification.

Unless DC treats political based crime as a hate crime, I'm not sure. Usually those articles will state why they're treating something as a hate crime, that article was light on that part.

Actually I'd take it a step further than a "hate crime" and officially label Antifa for what they are: a domestic terrorist organization. In that regard, they should face a terrorist's punishment in context of the law.

Grischnak posted...

3rd_Best_Master posted...

AcFan87 posted...

3rd_Best_Master posted...

Apparently being Tucker Carlson is a protected class nowadays.

No, believe it or not threatening someone and vandalizing their property is actually a crime, it has nothing to do with being a protected class and everything to do with having the right to feel safe in your own home.

I never said it wasn't a crime, but a "hate crime" is a specific classification.

Unless DC treats political based crime as a hate crime, I'm not sure. Usually those articles will state why they're treating something as a hate crime, that article was light on that part.

The article clearly says that:

There were no arrests, but police confiscated several signs. The report lists the incident as a suspected hate crime on the basis of anti-political bias.

Dang, A_Blind_Boy strikes again.
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Antifa should move to Venezuela.
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Kazi1212 posted...

GregShmedley posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

CornBarn posted...

Anyone who is worth interacting with knows that your perspective is abominable and irredeemable. I don't need to answer any of your worthless questions.

I was once asked in an argument on this subject when joel was being dogpiled again if I condoned what joel is accused of condoning here. I explained how interpreted the historical cases and how the logic behind killing said kids would apply differently today and how other avenues could be utilized for the sake of maintaining security while not killing the kids. The user who asked me refused to address or even acknowledge anything that I said. I had to hound him repeatedly and after demanding a response four or five times, he finally caved, but only replied "I only wanted a yes or no answer so I wouldn't have replied to anything that wasn't just yes or no." That is the bullshittiest and most transparent copout imaginable. This response from you reminds me of that incident.

That is not how that went down...at all. I even explained to you my reasoning but you were to lo focused on your own points to even consider mine.

Yea Ive seen him like that before as well. Just the other day I explained myself to him about my opinion on Trump because he accused me of never criticizing him. I even also kindly explained my opinion to him for being harder on Acosta for the fiasco the other day because that what the topic was about it. All he basically had to say was a condescending try again. Theres really no pleasing some folk here even if youre trying to be nice and explain your view, best to just avoid them.

Oh, he admits that he purposefully uses ad hominem attacks in his argument so people can call him out on it. I guess it's his way of thinking he "wins" because people don't want to engage with someone so hostile and therefore stop replying.

He's like Unfair but not a gimmick.

I also know for a fact he has at least 2 alts here, sometimes I see them posting together in the same topic lmfao

That's not true. Look up the user FigureOfSpeech and tell me when it was last logged in as. That's the only alt I use and typically it's just when I see someone post a reference to the term figure of speech and I just pop in on the alt for username relevance... or when I'm warned or in purgatory, which has not happened since before the mod system overhaul. I have other alts but most of them I don't have the login info for anymore. The only one I have login info saved on this machine is MattcheteGuy, which was a gimmick alt I made for a user competition several years ago. No idea when I last logged into it. I have others on my old laptop, which I only use a few times a year. I sometimes log in to those because I used similar email addresses so I don't know which is which.

If there are any other accounts more active that you want to accuse of being my alts, go right ahead. You'll be wrong.
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hollow_shrine posted...

Well, this is horrifying.

What is even the endgame here.

terror. they are literally domestic anarchist terrorists

Kazi1212 posted...

ImTheMacheteGuy posted...

Nope. Not what happened. I said I often open arguments with ad hominem to see what reactions I get so I know whether or not a person is even worth engaging with. You were, at first, so I laid off of those tactics. You started ignoring too much of what I was saying so I had to disengage and prod you for responses. I don't even argue to win. I argue to get reads on people.

So basically youre disingenuous and wasting peoples time, thanks for sharing

Time spent browsing and posting on CE is being no less wasted for any one person than for any one other person for any given circumstance. Your time is no more valuable than mine and vice versa. You'll continue to engage me and you'll continue to lie about me, like you did in that alts post. You won't change any opinions of me without being yourself guilty of what you've just accused me of, and that would say more about anyone believing you than it would about me... and you won't ignore me, or get me to ignore you. You have no feasible endgame.
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The difference between me and you is Im honest about my disingenuousness as a poster. People routinely come into topics I post claiming Im an admitted troll. I never deny those accusations because those are true, I have stated on numerous occasions here Im basically here to shitpost. So when people engage with me, they already know its possible Im just shitposting, I dont want to waste their time so I just let people know upfront a majority of my posts are just trolling and fucking around so its their decision to engage with me with that knowledge.

Having said that, theres no reason to defend yourself against my claim if theyre blatantly false and idiotic, but I guess if the shoe fits... Like I said, Im already an admitted troll here, people wouldnt believe me anyway because of my reputation. But for what its worth, in this particular situation Im not lying about what Im accusing you off, but hey if Im lying theres really not much you can do about that but move on and think of me as a liar
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GregShmedley posted...

Joel seemingly agrees with it

That was your assumption and I was trying to show you why it was misguided. That one post that you blew up to a size 80 font or whatever it is there doesn't change that you made a leap for no other reason than to try and rake joel's name through the coals. If you acknowledged the logic multiple times, you should've understood that while his post was bad-looking and on paper self-incriminating, it was indicative of the fact that there was a certain logic behind the historical event in question. Why didn't you want to discuss that further? That was where I was trying to direct the conversation to. Why were you so insistent on having it remain myopically hyper-focused on literally 5 words that joel said and nothing more?

GregShmedley posted...

And you kept up with the ad hominem throughout the entirety of the argument

This is blatantly false. If you truly believe that I continued with the ad hominem throughout the entire argument, then your definition of ad hominem must come from a place of hyper-sensitivity that I have otherwise not encountered before... actually I take that back. I have encountered it before. There was a user at one point in one argument who accused me of constantly insulting him, and when prodded for specifics, he quoted several things I said that were not meant to be insults, which got me to realize that he was just really sensitive and thinned-skinned and willing to call anything insulting or ad hominem simply to try and win the argument. Perhaps you are like him and are using that same tactic here. It's funny and ironic if true, because you already in this topic accused me of being like him and having the same gimmick as him only without it being a gimmick. So if I'm similar to UnfairRepresent and you're similar to UnfairRepresent... are you similar to me and I to you?
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Kazi1212 posted...

The difference between me and you is Im honest about my disingenuousness as a poster. People routinely come into topics I post claiming Im an admitted troll. I never deny those accusations because those are true, I have stated on numerous occasions here Im basically here to shitpost. So when people engage with me, they already know its possible Im just shitposting, I dont want to waste their time so I just let people know upfront a majority of my posts are just trolling and fucking around so its their decision to engage with me with that knowledge.

And yet we are having this conversation right now because I made this exact same admission to Greg, which is why he posted it here and why I didn't deny it here but rather explained my reasoning for using the tactics that I admitted using to him and then confirmed here.

Kazi1212 posted...

Having said that, theres no reason to defend yourself against my claim if theyre blatantly false and idiotic, but I guess if the shoe fits... Like I said, Im already an admitted troll here, people wouldnt believe me anyway because of my reputation. But for what its worth, in this particular situation Im not lying about what Im accusing you of

And yet I am defending myself, because I'm also honest about my account history, as I have nothing in it to hide. You are lying and you are, with burden of proof on you, accusing me of something that you will make no effort to prove. If you believe burden of proof is on the accuser, you'll either prove it or you'll fail to practice what you preach. Which will you do? The latter. 100%.

Kazi1212 posted...

but hey if Im lying theres really not much you can do about that but move on and think of me as a liar

It's not about what I think of you. That's not important. I can't do anything about it? Maybe I can, maybe I can't. You're welcomed to do whatever in order to see if you're right or wrong about that.
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You seem awfully strung up about this. Dude if its not true just let it go man, no harm done. Ive pmed various regulars here with the alts im accusing you use, they can judge for themselves if Im lying or not.
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Kazi1212 posted...

You seem awfully upset about. Dude if its not true just let it go man, no harm done. Ive pmed various regulars here with the alts im accusing you use, they can judge for themselves if Im lying or not.

I mean... did I give you an idea that harm had been done? Why PM anyone? Post it publicly if want. I already had hoth/hey impersonate me to try and make me look bad and it literally made my night. I was flattered and I had fun with it. I didn't know I stood out enough to him to get that kind of treatment. Upset is the last word that could describe how I feel about it... except for words that are hyperbole-synonymous with upset. Obviously they would be less accurate.

But sure, I can let it go. That works too. I can always appreciate when someone goes for the transparent "merciful stalemate."
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https://thinkprogress.org/i-was-at-the-protest-outside-tucker-carlsons-house-heres-what-actually-happened-665c2dc0cb67/

The incident, video of which was taken offline shortly after being posted, has prompted an aisle-crossing outcry fueled in part by Carlsons own significant embellishments of what occurred while he wasnt home. I was there for the entirety of the 10-minute demonstration, and can report in detail what actually happened.

A group numbering 13 or 14 protesters trailed by four protest observers, some in the bright green hats often worn by trained First Amendment legal observers when monitoring police-protester interactions, walked up Carlsons street just after dark on Wednesday.

One of the protesters knocked firmly on Carlsons front door three times then trotted back down the steps to join the rest of the group in the street. This person did not throw their body against the door, as Carlson has claimed to newspapers. A police report on the incident makes no mention of damage to the Carlsons front door from the three stiff knocks, contradicting Carlsons claim that the demonstrators had cracked the door.

Another protester read a brief statement through an amplifying device, then led the group in a series of chants against Carlsons habitual promotion of white supremacist ideology and xenophobia on his Fox News program. Some of the chants included the refrain we know where you sleep at night. At multiple points, a chant broke down despite the rhythm-track efforts of a protester with a tambourine.

Video posted on LiveLeak shows portions of the event, which lasted less than 10 minutes. It also illustrates Carlsons other embellishment that one person was caught on a security video saying they wanted to return to his home with a pipe bomb. In fact, the person filming is heard saying Pipe bombs! Synagogue victims! as the speaker with the amplifying device wraps up their initial statement and begins to lead chants. Carlsons show and broader media empire have long amplified the same flavors of xenophobic paranoia and white supremacist ideology believed to have motivated alleged so-called MAGAbomber Cesar Sayoc and Pittsburgh synagogue shooter Robert Bowers. There is no mention of the phrase pipe bombs in the police report later filed.

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averagejoel posted...

https://thinkprogress.org/i-was-at-the-protest-outside-tucker-carlsons-house-heres-what-actually-happened-665c2dc0cb67/

The incident, video of which was taken offline shortly after being posted, has prompted an aisle-crossing outcry fueled in part by Carlsons own significant embellishments of what occurred while he wasnt home. I was there for the entirety of the 10-minute demonstration, and can report in detail what actually happened.

A group numbering 13 or 14 protesters trailed by four protest observers, some in the bright green hats often worn by trained First Amendment legal observers when monitoring police-protester interactions, walked up Carlsons street just after dark on Wednesday.

One of the protesters knocked firmly on Carlsons front door three times then trotted back down the steps to join the rest of the group in the street. This person did not throw their body against the door, as Carlson has claimed to newspapers. A police report on the incident makes no mention of damage to the Carlsons front door from the three stiff knocks, contradicting Carlsons claim that the demonstrators had cracked the door.

Another protester read a brief statement through an amplifying device, then led the group in a series of chants against Carlsons habitual promotion of white supremacist ideology and xenophobia on his Fox News program. Some of the chants included the refrain we know where you sleep at night. At multiple points, a chant broke down despite the rhythm-track efforts of a protester with a tambourine.

Video posted on LiveLeak shows portions of the event, which lasted less than 10 minutes. It also illustrates Carlsons other embellishment that one person was caught on a security video saying they wanted to return to his home with a pipe bomb. In fact, the person filming is heard saying Pipe bombs! Synagogue victims! as the speaker with the amplifying device wraps up their initial statement and begins to lead chants. Carlsons show and broader media empire have long amplified the same flavors of xenophobic paranoia and white supremacist ideology believed to have motivated alleged so-called MAGAbomber Cesar Sayoc and Pittsburgh synagogue shooter Robert Bowers. There is no mention of the phrase pipe bombs in the police report later filed.

So, basically, he's claiming that nobody tried to break down the door but instead someone knocked on it really hard? Other then that I don't see any real difference in what he said and what is reported elsewhere.

Grischnak posted...

averagejoel posted...

https://thinkprogress.org/i-was-at-the-protest-outside-tucker-carlsons-house-heres-what-actually-happened-665c2dc0cb67/

The incident, video of which was taken offline shortly after being posted, has prompted an aisle-crossing outcry fueled in part by Carlsons own significant embellishments of what occurred while he wasnt home. I was there for the entirety of the 10-minute demonstration, and can report in detail what actually happened.

A group numbering 13 or 14 protesters trailed by four protest observers, some in the bright green hats often worn by trained First Amendment legal observers when monitoring police-protester interactions, walked up Carlsons street just after dark on Wednesday.

One of the protesters knocked firmly on Carlsons front door three times then trotted back down the steps to join the rest of the group in the street. This person did not throw their body against the door, as Carlson has claimed to newspapers. A police report on the incident makes no mention of damage to the Carlsons front door from the three stiff knocks, contradicting Carlsons claim that the demonstrators had cracked the door.

Another protester read a brief statement through an amplifying device, then led the group in a series of chants against Carlsons habitual promotion of white supremacist ideology and xenophobia on his Fox News program. Some of the chants included the refrain we know where you sleep at night. At multiple points, a chant broke down despite the rhythm-track efforts of a protester with a tambourine.

Video posted on LiveLeak shows portions of the event, which lasted less than 10 minutes. It also illustrates Carlsons other embellishment that one person was caught on a security video saying they wanted to return to his home with a pipe bomb. In fact, the person filming is heard saying Pipe bombs! Synagogue victims! as the speaker with the amplifying device wraps up their initial statement and begins to lead chants. Carlsons show and broader media empire have long amplified the same flavors of xenophobic paranoia and white supremacist ideology believed to have motivated alleged so-called MAGAbomber Cesar Sayoc and Pittsburgh synagogue shooter Robert Bowers. There is no mention of the phrase pipe bombs in the police report later filed.

So, basically, he's claiming that nobody tried to break down the door but instead someone knocked on it really hard? Other then that I don't see any real difference in what he said and what is reported elsewhere.

did you even read the section I quoted?

Tucker Carlson's story is as exaggerated as ProudClad's tirade against me
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Dang, guess I gotta change my assessment on this one. Starting to seem like Tucker Carlson and his family aren't quite the victims that I thought they were.
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averagejoel posted...

did you even read the section I quoted?

Tucker Carlson's story is as exaggerated as ProudClad's tirade against me

I read the story. The basic facts are the same:

Carlson got doxed
A small crowd gathered at his house
Crowd chanted threats at him
Someone spray painted his driveway
Someone banged on his door loudly

The only thing really different is that he says the banging was caused by a person that was knocking on the door loudly and not someone slamming against it. A significant difference, yes, but the entire situation is still disgusting. He shouldn't have been doxed, nobody should have went to harass his family, they shouldn't have chanted threats and they shouldn't have vandalized his property. These Antifa dirtbags aren't some sort of victims of misinformation. They are still scum.

If you make your living spreading lies and whipping idiots up into a frenzy to the point that people's lives are worsened or endangered, then you have this sort of shit coming.
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False flag?
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Grischnak posted...

averagejoel posted...

did you even read the section I quoted?

Tucker Carlson's story is as exaggerated as ProudClad's tirade against me

I read the story. The basic facts are the same:

Carlson got doxed
A small crowd gathered at his house
Crowd chanted threats at him
Someone spray painted his driveway
Someone banged on his door loudly

The only thing really different is that he says the banging was caused by a person that was knocking on the door loudly and not someone slamming against it. A significant difference, yes, but the entire situation is still disgusting. He shouldn't have been doxed, nobody should have went to harass his family, they shouldn't have chanted threats and they shouldn't have vandalized his property. These Antifa dirtbags aren't some sort of victims of misinformation. They are still scum.

they were protesting against a powerful media figure who has a history of doxxing people and enabling similar or worse action against people who are actually innocent, as well as their loved ones. if he doesn't want someone knocking on his door and playing a tambourine when he's not home, he shouldn't have made that his job.
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averagejoel posted...

they were protesting against a powerful media figure who has a history of doxxing people and enabling similar or worse action against people who are actually innocent, as well as their loved ones. if he doesn't want someone knocking on his door and playing a tambourine when he's not home, he shouldn't have made that his job.

I love how the defense of almost of every bullshit thing left wing radicals do is "The Alt Right does worse". Sorry but bad behavior does not justify bad behavior. Never has, never will. That is a sociopathic way of thinking. Colbert called it correctly. "Fighting Tucker Carlsons ideas is an American right. Targeting his home and terrorizing his family is an act of monstrous cowardice. Obviously dont do this, but also, take no pleasure in it happening. Feeding monsters just makes more monsters.". Acting like an asshole to an asshole doesn't make you a hero, It makes you an asshole.

Grischnak posted...

averagejoel posted...

they were protesting against a powerful media figure who has a history of doxxing people and enabling similar or worse action against people who are actually innocent, as well as their loved ones. if he doesn't want someone knocking on his door and playing a tambourine when he's not home, he shouldn't have made that his job.

I love how the defense of almost of every bullshit thing left wing radicals do is "The Alt Right does worse". Sorry but bad behavior does not justify bad behavior. Never has, never will. That is a sociopathic way of thinking. Colbert called it correctly. "Fighting Tucker Carlsons ideas is an American right. Targeting his home and terrorizing his family is an act of monstrous cowardice. Obviously dont do this, but also, take no pleasure in it happening. Feeding monsters just makes more monsters.". Acting like an asshole to an asshole doesn't make you a hero, It makes you an asshole.

among other things, calling these actions "terrorizing" is extremely tenuous, but I've already been modded like 4 times for going into greater detail than that, so I'll probably have to just stop it there
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I said what I had said ITT before I knew Tucker Carlson was doxxing people. I no longer feel bad, but I still don't condone cowardice.

you do make the bed you sleep in, though. play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
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