Current Events > Religion is the root cause of thousands of years of bloodshed and instability

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To deny this is to deny history, and the truth.

I dont believe human beings can transcend into what they need to be, unless they shed Religon.
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Hold on, let me get my folding chair.
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Actually the root cause is tribalism.

Religion just happens to be one way to make a tribe.
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Its made up. No one cares.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

Actually the root cause is tribalism.

Religion just happens to be one way to make a tribe.

Okay good.
I don't have to post this exact same thing now.

VandorLee posted...

Its made up. No one cares.

Wrong. Too may people all over the world care.

How ignorant are you?

Religon is why women are treated like possessions in the middle east, or why some are delegated to be baby making machines for fat white polygamists in Utah. Religon is why most people in our history as humans have died.
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If it wasn't religion it would be another excuse. Mao Zedong let 30+ million people die so he wouldn't look bad.
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Religion has been a means of control for a very long time

Today it's just mythology designed to frighten people into obeying evil fucking people, and an excuse for already evil people to rally around and "excuse" their atrocities. Deus Vult, Allahu Akbar and all that other "but imaginary sky man says it's ok" bullshit.

Religion must go for us to move forward as a species. Theocracies anywhere need to be dismantled or have their seats of power razed to the ground. Anyone, any group wanting to wage any kind of war for any fucking god needs to be scourged from the earth immediately and with overfuckingwhelming force.

Don't coddle hiding behind religion anymore. Evil is Evil. Only fools needed a sky man to tell them right from wrong. Bury religion every time it rears its fucking head and tries to drag the world backward in fucking progress.

Fuck religion and the shit it always has and always will enable because someone always will use it for control. We should be fucking better than this in 2018.

End rant. That kinda felt good :/
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PhazonReborn posted...

Religon is why most people in our history as humans have died.

You don't seem to know history.
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Religion is an excuse, not a cause.

PhazonReborn posted...

Religon is why most people in our history as humans have died.

Actually religion has have tons of people in early history by helping preserve a lot of knowledge.

@VectorChaos posted...

Religion has been a means of control for a very long time

Today it's just mythology designed to frighten people into obeying evil fucking people, and an excuse for already evil people to rally around and "excuse" their atrocities. Deus Vult, Allahu Akbar and all that other "but imaginary sky man says it's ok" bullshit.

Religion must go for us to move forward as a species. Theocracies anywhere need to be dismantled or have their seats of power razed to the ground. Anyone, any group wanting to wage any kind of war for any fucking god needs to be scourged from the earth immediately and with overfuckingwhelming force.

Don't coddle hiding behind religion anymore. Evil is Evil. Only fools needed a sky man to tell them right from wrong. Bury religion every time it rears its fucking head and tries to drag the world backward in fucking progress.

Fuck religion and the shit it always has and always will enable because someone always will use it for control. We should be fucking better than this in 2018.

End rant. That kinda felt good :/

And you become what you hate.

"Wipe tribe x off the face of the earth because they are not a part of my tribe and my tribe dislikes them!"

You want their seats of power razed to the ground. So war? Overwhelming force?

You say religion is bad cause it makes war

So..

Lets go to war to make it go away?
Kill them all! Wtf

An ignorant opinion.

And sure, you feel good.
You feel as good as some religious zealot who just demonized infidels. They feel great when they do that.
It is what tribalism does.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

PhazonReborn posted...

Religon is why most people in our history as humans have died.

You don't seem to know history.

Cerebral anoxia has killed vastly more people.

VectorChaos posted...

Religion must go for us to move forward as a species.

100% agree
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PhazonReborn posted...

Religon is why most people in our history as humans have died.

I mean unless you're counting shit like Genesis' Flood then I'm pretty sure most people throughout history died to parasites, bacteria, and viruses that cheap shit today like a 20 cent vaccine can prevent.
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Yawn

This topic again.

*Obligatory Fedora tip*
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darkphoenix181 posted...

@VectorChaos posted...

Religion has been a means of control for a very long time

Today it's just mythology designed to frighten people into obeying evil fucking people, and an excuse for already evil people to rally around and "excuse" their atrocities. Deus Vult, Allahu Akbar and all that other "but imaginary sky man says it's ok" bullshit.

Religion must go for us to move forward as a species. Theocracies anywhere need to be dismantled or have their seats of power razed to the ground. Anyone, any group wanting to wage any kind of war for any fucking god needs to be scourged from the earth immediately and with overfuckingwhelming force.

Don't coddle hiding behind religion anymore. Evil is Evil. Only fools needed a sky man to tell them right from wrong. Bury religion every time it rears its fucking head and tries to drag the world backward in fucking progress.

Fuck religion and the shit it always has and always will enable because someone always will use it for control. We should be fucking better than this in 2018.

End rant. That kinda felt good :/

And you become what you hate.

"Wipe tribe x off the face of the earth because they are not a part of my tribe and my tribe dislikes them!"

You want their seats of power razed to the ground. So war? Overwhelming force?

You say religion is bad cause it makes war

So..

Lets go to war to make it go away?
Kill them all! Wtf

An ignorant opinion.

And sure, you feel good.
You feel as good as some religious zealot who just demonized infidels. They feel great when they do that.
It is what tribalism does.

Somebody give this man a beer.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

Actually the root cause is tribalism.

Religion just happens to be one way to make a tribe.

Yeah, I'm perfectly with mocking atheists who seriously think "world - religion = peace."

We'll always find reasons to view other groups as threats. It's built into our biology.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

@VectorChaos posted...

Religion has been a means of control for a very long time

Today it's just mythology designed to frighten people into obeying evil fucking people, and an excuse for already evil people to rally around and "excuse" their atrocities. Deus Vult, Allahu Akbar and all that other "but imaginary sky man says it's ok" bullshit.

Religion must go for us to move forward as a species. Theocracies anywhere need to be dismantled or have their seats of power razed to the ground. Anyone, any group wanting to wage any kind of war for any fucking god needs to be scourged from the earth immediately and with overfuckingwhelming force.

Don't coddle hiding behind religion anymore. Evil is Evil. Only fools needed a sky man to tell them right from wrong. Bury religion every time it rears its fucking head and tries to drag the world backward in fucking progress.

Fuck religion and the shit it always has and always will enable because someone always will use it for control. We should be fucking better than this in 2018.

End rant. That kinda felt good :/

And you become what you hate.

"Wipe tribe x off the face of the earth because they are not apart of my tribe and my tribe dislikes them!"

You want their seats of power razed tonthe ground. So war?

You say religion is bad cause it makes war

So..

Lets go to war to make it go away?

An ignorant opinion.

And sure, you feel good.
You feel as good as some religious zealot who just demonized infidels. They feel great when they do that.
It is what tribalism does.

So just let religion continue to fuck the world up, entire fucking regions of it in some cases, because.... why? If we fight the fire we become the fire or some nonsensical bullshit used to coddle these fucks?

Fuck that. Religion must go.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

@VectorChaos posted...

Religion has been a means of control for a very long time

Today it's just mythology designed to frighten people into obeying evil fucking people, and an excuse for already evil people to rally around and "excuse" their atrocities. Deus Vult, Allahu Akbar and all that other "but imaginary sky man says it's ok" bullshit.

Religion must go for us to move forward as a species. Theocracies anywhere need to be dismantled or have their seats of power razed to the ground. Anyone, any group wanting to wage any kind of war for any fucking god needs to be scourged from the earth immediately and with overfuckingwhelming force.

Don't coddle hiding behind religion anymore. Evil is Evil. Only fools needed a sky man to tell them right from wrong. Bury religion every time it rears its fucking head and tries to drag the world backward in fucking progress.

Fuck religion and the shit it always has and always will enable because someone always will use it for control. We should be fucking better than this in 2018.

End rant. That kinda felt good :/

And you become what you hate.

"Wipe tribe x off the face of the earth because they are not a part of my tribe and my tribe dislikes them!"

You want their seats of power razed to the ground. So war? Overwhelming force?

You say religion is bad cause it makes war

So..

Lets go to war to make it go away?
Kill them all! Wtf

An ignorant opinion.

And sure, you feel good.
You feel as good as some religious zealot who just demonized infidels. They feel great when they do that.
It is what tribalism does.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxPkiaW_X5s" data-time="
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I always hop in these topics to see all the angst from both sides , especially atheists
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@VectorChaos posted...

So just let religion continue to f*** the world up, entire f***ing regions of it in some cases, because.... why? If we fight the fire we become the fire or some nonsensical bulls*** used to coddle these f***s?

f*** that. Religion must go.

Your proposal is to wipe those regions of their people or substitute their theocracy with your anti-religious tyranny.

Btw, what do you think of the Iraq war? Was it just or unjust?
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kkTheKiller42 posted...

especially atheists

especially evangelical atheists.

darkphoenix181 posted...

@VectorChaos posted...

So just let religion continue to f*** the world up, entire f***ing regions of it in some cases, because.... why? If we fight the fire we become the fire or some nonsensical bulls*** used to coddle these f***s?

f*** that. Religion must go.

Your proposal is to wipe those regions of their people or substitute their theocracy with your anti-religious tyranny.

Btw, what do you think of the Iraq war? Was it just or unjust?

I don't care how religion goes, except in cases of anyone willing to do violence for an imaginary sky man. Wipe them from the earth without mercy.

The Iraq war was unjust, based upon no actual evidence, and created a power vacuum that we allowed to be filled by, drum roll please... extremist religious fuckheads who are still fucking the place up today!

What else ya got.
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it depends on which slice of history you look at

religion kept us together as a species and helped us survive. but it also did the opposite.

i still hate that the church expects me to part with some corn whenever i attend the service though

@VectorChaos posted...

I don't care how religion goes, except in cases of anyone willing to do violence for an imaginary sky man. Wipe them from the earth without mercy.

The Iraq war was unjust, based upon no actual evidence, and created a power vacuum that we allowed to be filled by, drum roll please... extremist religious f***heads who are still f***ing the place up today!

What else ya got.

I think it is not very pc to want to wipe you know who off the earth. I think we all know what marginalized group you refer to.

Anyways, I brought up Iraq because when you take away all the talk of wmds and oil, you have a case where a religious dictator was removed from power and the people were guided to become democratized which should have in theory made those who were less religious enjoy more freedoms.

Didn't work out though did it?

What you are proposing is similar to Iraq but probably worse.

And how can the USA root out government to remove religion off the earth be justified, but democratizing Iraq and freeing it from a dictator guilty of human rights violations and treaty breaking not be justified?
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i think religion needs to go but im not gonna propose or accept killing people.
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Just to be clear, I'm not a professional 'quote maker'. I'm just an atheist teenager who greatly values his intelligence and scientific fact over any silly fiction book written 3,500 years ago. This being said, I am open to any and all criticism.

'In this moment, I am euphoric. Not because of any phony god's blessing. But because, I am enlightened by my intelligence.'
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I dont know why but im reading TCs posts in the voice of some lame, cliche'd, cheesy anime villain and it fits perfectly.
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I think it is not very pc to want to wipe you know who off the earth. I think we all know what marginalized group you refer to.

Then stop killing people because imaginary sky man said he wants you to

This is not a difficult concept

Anyways, I brought up Iraq because when you take away all the talk of wmds and oil, you have a case where a religious dictator was removed from power and the people were guided to become democratized which should have in theory made those who were less religious enjoy more freedoms.

Didn't work out though did it?

Because that region is already filled with, drum roll please... extremist religious lunatics willing to use violence to subjugate the region!

but democratizing Iraq and freeing it from a dictator guilty of human rights violations and treaty breaking not be justified?

That's not why we went there and you know it.

What else ya got.
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SpiritSephiroth posted...

I dont know why but im reading TCs posts in the voice of some lame, cliche'd, cheesy anime villain and it fits perfectly.

Good
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VectorChaos posted...

That's not why we went there and you know it.

What else ya got.

Do you dispute that it was attempted to be democratized? Do you dispute that saddam was guilty of human right violations? Do you dispute that he broke treaties?

VectorChaos posted...

Because that region is already filled with, drum roll please... extremist religious lunatics willing to use violence to subjugate the region!

So you think Iraq would have worked out if we rounded up citizens who were religious and executed them?
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How can one be certain that there is no god?
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Dyinglegacy posted...

How can one be certain that there is no god?

Because there isn't
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How do you know, with certainty?
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Dyinglegacy posted...

How do you know, with certainty?

How do you know with certainty that one does?

Old books and text that have never been proven?

Science has answered where we came from millions of years ago already.
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TC = n00b
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I don't. I'm agnostic, and find both extremes, god absolutely does/doesn't exist, drool cloth worthy.
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Do you dispute that it was attempted to be democritized? Do you dispute that saddam was guilty of human right violations? Do you dispute that he broke treaties?

Do you dispute that we completely mismanaged the situation because nobody in control actually cared about those things, resulting in religious extremists coming out of the fucking woodwork to seize power and territory through violence in the aftermath?

So you think Iraq would have worked out if we rounded up citizens who were religious and executed them?

No. But build that strawman lil' feller.

Anyone who believes violence against others in the name of their imaginary sky man is okay as I've kept saying? No mercy.
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VectorChaos posted...

Do you dispute that we completely mismanaged the situation because nobody in control actually cared about those things, resulting in religious extremists coming out of the f***ing woodwork to seize power and territory through violence in the aftermath?

I do indeed. A democratic partner in the middle east was a high priority. This is what they wanted Iraq to become.

VectorChaos posted...

No. But build that strawman lil' feller.

Anyone who believes violence against others in the name of their imaginary sky man is okay as I've kept saying? No mercy.

That is not a strawman. It is a question.
You believe Iraq failed because of religious zealots. You believe killing these zealots is an answer.
So how would you have made a democratic free thinking Iraq without killing it's religious citizens?

Calling questions strawmen is not a good rhetoric tactic. It doesn't make you look intelligent.
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Replace "religion" with "human nature" and everything TC said in the OP is still true.
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im not an atheist but there is no way any of todays religions is right lol
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Killing religious zealots engaging in violence for imaginary sky men is the answer to a great deal of problems in the world.

I don't care about "religious citizens". They're going to fuck their own shit up clinging to backwards beliefs, and the world will leave them behind, to eventually be buried in history where they belong. If the people of Iraq want to live in a religious shithole, I don't care.

But if you so much as raise a stone strapped to a stick in anger toward the rest of the world because sky man says convert or die or whatever the flavor of bullshit is, I want you reduced to your component atoms in an air strike post haste.

Don't coddle religion anymore. Treat it as the mythology it is. Refute it with knowledge and education. Shun it at every opportunity. And when religion lashes out, respond without hesitation or mercy.

What else ya got.
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VectorChaos posted...

Killing religious zealots engaging in violence for imaginary sky men is the answer to a great deal of problems in the world.

This literally happens daily. Why do you think terrorists aren't actually being killed?

Like, wut

VectorChaos posted...

Don't coddle religion anymore. Treat it as the mythology it is. Refute it with knowledge and education. Shun it at every opportunity. And when religion lashes out, respond without hesitation or mercy.

Also literally is done today.

Unless you suggest removing freedom of religion, you don't make sense.
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Bad things obviously happen without religion, but I think it's disingenuous to say you could just replace religion with anything and nothing would change. There are obviously problems that are a direct result of fundamental or radicalized religious beliefs. Middle East nations got a lot worse when Islam became the government. Israel and Palestine would not be fighting like this if they didn't believe they were both entitled to some ancient holy land according to their religion. Fights (physical and political) around the world to keep societies conservative or regressive are largely influenced by hardcore religious beliefs. The existence of school shooters or Nazis or North Korea only proves there are non-religious problems in the world, not that religion is scapegoat.

We don't need to ban religions, just remove their control.
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darkphoenix181 posted...

VectorChaos posted...

Killing religious zealots engaging in violence for imaginary sky men is the answer to a great deal of problems in the world.

This literally happens daily. Why do you think terrorists aren't actually being killed?

Like, wut

VectorChaos posted...

Don't coddle religion anymore. Treat it as the mythology it is. Refute it with knowledge and education. Shun it at every opportunity. And when religion lashes out, respond without hesitation or mercy.

Also literally is done today.

Unless you suggest removing freedom of religion, you don't make sense.

I know we're killing terrorists. I never said we weren't. Keep trying with that strawman you're totally not building.

And we are still coddling religion. How 'bout that tax exemption here in the states? Fuck that noise. You get no help if you perpetuate this shit.

What else ya got.
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VectorChaos posted...

And we are still coddling religion. How 'bout that tax exemption here in the states? Fuck that noise. You get no help if you perpetuate this shit.

What's that? You want to give religions unbridled access to politics?
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Paragon21XX posted...

VectorChaos posted...

And we are still coddling religion. How 'bout that tax exemption here in the states? Fuck that noise. You get no help if you perpetuate this shit.

What's that? You want to give religions unbridled access to politics?

Nope. Just deny them tax exemption. They can continue to fuck off out of politics. It's bad enough we let politicians who clearly want to push their religions moronic fucking beliefs into public policy hold office (abortion bad, sky man told me). It's bad enough churches tell their followers who sky man wants them to vote for that's going to push this shit into public policy at every opportunity. If they want to live that way, go ahead. If they want to prop up politicians who want to push this shit on the rest of us via legislation...

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So TC read today's Pearls Before Swine strip too?


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I hope that atheism will conquer the world during my lifetime.

Religion, not only comes from a time of myth, ignorance and superstition when little was understood about nature, but it is divisive, it splits the communities in a sort of tribal structure without any benefit for humanity and it disseminates hate.

Religion is an ideology for the profit of clergy, imams, rabbis and funnels power and influence to the top of the religious and political structures.

The notion of god is a notion in every religious persons head which him/her uses to justify his/her actions, in fact driven by his/her own will and nothing else. So did abraham, moses, jesus, mohamed, etc. So did all the kings, emperors, conquerors, dictators, they all used a supreme agent to justify their acts.

Religion has never fixed humanity's problems. True science did. Only think how many were saved by doctors and medicine and how many by priests.

The science today gives us an unprecedented horizon, from the infinitesimal Universe of the elementary particles, atoms, unicellular life, DNA and evolution, to the fringes of the Universe and the dawn of time and space. Due to science today we live an awakening from ignorance and darkness.

The ones who hold religion at great esteem, they only refuse to open their eyes and minds to reality, but choose to linger on the pages of a few rotten books (bible, coran, torah), and completely dismiss the 3000+ years of the Human Knowledge adventure, which probably started with philosophers like Democritus, Thales, Epicurus and culminated with Hubble Space Telescope.

Religion had 3000 years to fix humanity but it didnt, what science gave humanity after 3000 years has no equal. If the Human Kind will lose the knowledge, reason, humanism, to religion and ignorance that would be an involution that will make us less Human.
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