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TheOrgyPorgy
11/03/18 12:48:24 PM
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Please be serious about such a concept: there are steep consequences for not doing so.
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darkmaian23
11/03/18 12:54:00 PM
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TheOrgyPorgy posted...
The Creator reveals himself as he wills, to whom he wills, to save his elect, who he predestined before we were even knitted together in our mothers' wombs.


If God has ordained in advance who will be saved and who won't, why are there so many extra people on earth? What is the point of creating billions of sentient beings who are preordained to suffer for an eternity in hell? Why have a religion or a church at all? The outcome is already known by God in advance, and no matter what good happens to those who haven't been chosen, an eternity of suffering awaits. No matter what evil or apathy takes hold of the elect, they will still be saved regardless because they have been chosen.

Utter nonsense.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
11/03/18 1:02:19 PM
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TheOrgyPorgy posted...
Please be serious about such a concept: there are steep consequences for not doing so.


I am being serious. He would know who I am and why I am. I wouldn't be in that position if he didn't put me there, and would have known how it could have been avoided. Like I said, if he was to fuck me over, I would have nothing to lose and everything to gain by rising against him. If the eternal torture garbage was real, you tell me what I would have to lose by trying to literally oust god if I was in that situation. Tell me what I would have to gain by just accepting the eternal torture outcome.
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TheOrgyPorgy
11/03/18 1:31:15 PM
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darkmaian23 posted...
TheOrgyPorgy posted...
The Creator reveals himself as he wills, to whom he wills, to save his elect, who he predestined before we were even knitted together in our mothers' wombs.


The outcome is already known by God in advance, and no matter what good happens to those who haven't been chosen, an eternity of suffering awaits. No matter what evil or apathy takes hold of the elect, they will still be saved regardless because they have been chosen.


Indeed. And as this is good in His eyes, we should love it.
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TheOrgyPorgy
11/03/18 1:37:07 PM
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
TheOrgyPorgy posted...
Please be serious about such a concept: there are steep consequences for not doing so.


Tell me what I would have to gain by just accepting the eternal torture outcome.


It isn't a matter of personal gain. It is a matter of electing and damning, as he has preselected, being good in His sight.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
11/03/18 1:40:39 PM
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TheOrgyPorgy posted...
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
TheOrgyPorgy posted...
Please be serious about such a concept: there are steep consequences for not doing so.


Tell me what I would have to gain by just accepting the eternal torture outcome.


It isn't a matter of personal gain. It is a matter of electing and damning, as he has preselected, being good in His sight.


So what would be the purpose of accepting it? Why would I not just try to kill god and take over? What do I lose by trying?
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hockeybub89
11/03/18 1:42:20 PM
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TheOrgyPorgy posted...
The Creator reveals himself as he wills, to whom he wills, to save his elect, who he predestined before we were even knitted together in our mothers' wombs.

So I was destined to be an atheist? Fuck God for damning me to Hell. Wait, he made me say that too. Ahhhh!
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0AbsoluteZero0
11/03/18 1:45:39 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
TheOrgyPorgy posted...
The Creator reveals himself as he wills, to whom he wills, to save his elect, who he predestined before we were even knitted together in our mothers' wombs.

So I was destined to be an atheist? Fuck God for damning me to Hell. Wait, he made me say that too. Ahhhh!

Lmao
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TheOrgyPorgy
11/03/18 1:59:38 PM
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You should be focusing on the highest good. Not your own personal benefit.
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TheOrgyPorgy
11/03/18 2:33:59 PM
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ImTheMacheteGuy
11/03/18 2:40:18 PM
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TheOrgyPorgy posted...
You should be focusing on the highest good. Not your own personal benefit.


If you are trying to suggest that eternal torture is "the highest good," I would point out that it would be a ToU violation for offensive. Still, I would like to know your logic for suggesting that I should consider being tortured forever "the highest good."
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TheOrgyPorgy
11/03/18 2:46:13 PM
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There's no need to take any of that personally. It is simply a matter of accepting the determinations of a perfectly good Lord.
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BruceWayneJr
11/03/18 3:59:19 PM
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Even if your god was real, I would never worship such a massive prick. "God is love," except in the myriad ways in which he isn't. You can ignore all the inconvenient bullshit in your holey books and huckster shepherds; I won't.
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EzeDoesIt
11/03/18 4:01:35 PM
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i dont really comprehend the difference between believing in Him or not, hopefully someday i will
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TheOrgyPorgy
11/03/18 4:49:31 PM
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BruceWayneJr posted...
Even if your god was real, I would never worship such a massive prick. "God is love," except in the myriad ways in which he isn't. You can ignore all the inconvenient bullshit in your holey books and huckster shepherds; I won't.


The love that God chooses to give is the only love that there can be, as he is omniscient and perfectly good.
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darkmaian23
11/03/18 6:28:29 PM
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TheOrgyPorgy posted...
There's no need to take any of that personally. It is simply a matter of accepting the determinations of a perfectly good Lord.

Assuming you aren't trolling, you haven't given us any reason to believe in God if we don't already, and certainly most of the posters here who do believe in God probably don't believe in your specific version. You encourage people to be good and believe, but you've also said that you believe God has a set of elect people who will be saved. You didn't respond saying you believe people can change their fate, so I assume you don't believe that. What, then, is the point of anything you are doing? Do you just want to show off how good you are? How do you even know you are one of the elect? Maybe I'm elect and you're not. God might have seen fit to make me an atheist for some unknown purpose.
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TheOrgyPorgy
11/03/18 6:45:56 PM
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The Bible makes it clear that the Lord has an elect that he predestined to everlasting life. However, as we do not know who is in the elect (only he knows), we still have an obligation to spread the Word, as specified by the Great Commission.
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darkmaian23
11/03/18 6:58:55 PM
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Given that most denominations of Christianity don't subscribe to the notion of predestined elect, it's a stretch to the say "The Bible makes it clear". In fact, it would seem to be at odds with the mission of Jesus and his disciples. If predestination is true, why spread the Word of God at all? Those whom God has chosen will be saved whether they hear it or not, and those who aren't going to be saved will still be damned even if they hear it, repent, and do good. Jesus himself never says there is anything like a predestined elect.

The closest you can come to finding Biblical evidence for the concept is in the Book of Revelations, and honestly, nobody can really decide what it means. It's fine if you choose to base your faith around the concept, but frankly, the way you are doing it is obnoxious to believers and non-believers alike.
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KillerKhan420
11/03/18 7:05:38 PM
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Yes I do as the majority before me have, and who am I in the grand scheme of things. There's something's out there that'll never be explained and this world isn't the real life you're intended to live. Life will go on after my physical body dies, and I can only leave behind memories to my loved ones but when all's said and done we will all be together again.
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IloveJesus
11/03/18 7:33:47 PM
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darkmaian23 posted...
most of the posters here who do believe in God probably don't believe in your specific version.


Truth.
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TheOrgyPorgy
11/03/18 7:35:36 PM
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John 3:18
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VTBM
11/03/18 7:38:43 PM
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In order to prevail during No Nut November, I welcomed Jesus Christ into my life and so far he has helped me defeat the temptations of flesh presented to me by Satan.
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RickyTheBAWSE
11/03/18 8:12:34 PM
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darkmaian23 posted...
Given that most denominations of Christianity don't subscribe to the notion of predestined elect, it's a stretch to the say "The Bible makes it clear". In fact, it would seem to be at odds with the mission of Jesus and his disciples. If predestination is true, why spread the Word of God at all? Those whom God has chosen will be saved whether they hear it or not, and those who aren't going to be saved will still be damned even if they hear it, repent, and do good. Jesus himself never says there is anything like a predestined elect.

The closest you can come to finding Biblical evidence for the concept is in the Book of Revelations, and honestly, nobody can really decide what it means. It's fine if you choose to base your faith around the concept, but frankly, the way you are doing it is obnoxious to believers and non-believers alike.


a book of parables mostly
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MorbidFaithless
11/03/18 8:22:24 PM
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I tried. It didn't take
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TheOrgyPorgy
11/03/18 11:18:15 PM
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SaithSayer
11/04/18 9:16:13 AM
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VTBM posted...
In order to prevail during No Nut November, I welcomed Jesus Christ into my life and so far he has helped me defeat the temptations of flesh presented to me by Satan.

This makes me imagine Jesus following you around to make sure you don't deed.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
11/04/18 9:29:50 AM
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TheOrgyPorgy posted...
There's no need to take any of that personally. It is simply a matter of accepting the determinations of a perfectly good Lord.


There is nothing good about it though and there is no cause to believe otherwise.
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TheOrgyPorgy
11/04/18 11:46:09 AM
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Sure there is. The Lord is omniscient and all-benevolent. All of his actions are righteous.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
11/04/18 12:01:36 PM
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TheOrgyPorgy posted...
Sure there is. The Lord is omniscient and all-benevolent. All of his actions are righteous.


Well, he's gonna have to prove it. If he does, we're good. If he doesn't, I will be making every possible effort to take over.
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Lonestar2000
11/04/18 12:08:02 PM
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Is there anything dumber than believing in religion?
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spudger
11/04/18 12:08:13 PM
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Xtian trolls now, CE?
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TheOrgyPorgy
11/04/18 12:13:57 PM
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darkmaian23
11/04/18 12:25:05 PM
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TheOrgyPorgy posted...
Sure there is. The Lord is omniscient and all-benevolent. All of his actions are righteous.

Then why does hell exist at all? Or if it must exist for some reason, why can't any but the special few chosen before birth avoid going there? In fact, if God is kind and he needs hell to exist, why does he allow souls to be born that need to go there? The system of punishment and salvation you adhere to is at odds with the very concept of benevolence. I'm an ordinary mortal with plenty of flaws. There are people I hate and people who I think commit unimaginable evil, and I wouldn't send any of them to hell if I had the power to. Why isn't God kinder than me?
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TheOrgyPorgy
11/04/18 12:50:17 PM
#84:


God makes the ice cream sundae. We are just the cherry on top. But if we do not put the cherry on top, we deserve eternal damnation.
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Dark_SilverX
11/04/18 12:56:11 PM
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I accept Trump as our Lord and Savior.
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darkmaian23
11/04/18 1:02:20 PM
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TheOrgyPorgy posted...
God makes the ice cream sundae. We are just the cherry on top. But if we do not put the cherry on top, we deserve eternal damnation.

What does that even mean?
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SaithSayer
11/04/18 1:18:49 PM
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darkmaian23 posted...
TheOrgyPorgy posted...
God makes the ice cream sundae. We are just the cherry on top. But if we do not put the cherry on top, we deserve eternal damnation.

What does that even mean?

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TheOrgyPorgy
11/04/18 1:51:39 PM
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TheKentster
11/04/18 1:52:24 PM
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Yes of course.
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Bass_X0
11/04/18 1:53:06 PM
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The only Xavier I have in my life goes by the name of Charles.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
11/04/18 1:54:30 PM
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TheOrgyPorgy posted...
God makes the ice cream sundae. We are just the cherry on top. But if we do not put the cherry on top, we deserve eternal damnation.


Hello, friend. I'm a travelling bridge salesman. Here's my card. We are currently offering a "buy 100, get 1 for 10% off" sale on bridges.
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Gafemage
11/04/18 1:56:46 PM
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hockeybub89
11/04/18 1:57:12 PM
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TheOrgyPorgy posted...
The Bible makes it clear that the Lord has an elect that he predestined to everlasting life. However, as we do not know who is in the elect (only he knows), we still have an obligation to spread the Word, as specified by the Great Commission.

But if everyone is predestined, then there is no need to try. Everyone is doing exactly what God created them to do. You may one day wind up turning on God and going to Hell and there is nothing you can do to stop it.

Predestination completely destroys the concept of free will and makes everything pointless. Everything you think, say and do is out of your control.

Why do Heaven and Hell even exist if God wrote the entire script at the beginning of time? Why does anything exist? I don't believe in God, but believing in a God that gives free will would at least make more sense.
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Marauder64
11/04/18 2:17:45 PM
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Predestination....... I just hope the Lord accounts me worthy to enter his kingdom. As I've read, hes gonna be turning some people away.
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TheOrgyPorgy
11/04/18 2:40:05 PM
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hockeybub89 posted...
TheOrgyPorgy posted...
The Bible makes it clear that the Lord has an elect that he predestined to everlasting life. However, as we do not know who is in the elect (only he knows), we still have an obligation to spread the Word, as specified by the Great Commission.

Predestination completely destroys the concept of free will and makes everything pointless. Everything you think, say and do is out of your control.


The point of our existence is to give him honor and praise.
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hockeybub89
11/04/18 3:00:14 PM
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TheOrgyPorgy posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
TheOrgyPorgy posted...
The Bible makes it clear that the Lord has an elect that he predestined to everlasting life. However, as we do not know who is in the elect (only he knows), we still have an obligation to spread the Word, as specified by the Great Commission.

Predestination completely destroys the concept of free will and makes everything pointless. Everything you think, say and do is out of your control.


The point of our existence is to give him honor and praise.

But he already knows who will give him honor and praise and when. Predestination is actually kind of evil when you think about it. Imagine creating AI that can feel pain and have emotions and believe in free will but programming it to suffer eternal damnation. No matter what I do right now, my fate was sealed the moment I was created. There is no need to try, hell trying doesn't even exist, because God already spun my fate.

Why does eternal punishment even need to exist if no one is sentient or in control? Besides God being a sociopathic child playing pretend with his toys.
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Perascamin
11/04/18 3:06:33 PM
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Jesus, I accept you in my heart as Lord and Savior, the Holy Spirit, and the Son of God.
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ImTheMacheteGuy
11/04/18 3:09:58 PM
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TheOrgyPorgy posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
TheOrgyPorgy posted...
The Bible makes it clear that the Lord has an elect that he predestined to everlasting life. However, as we do not know who is in the elect (only he knows), we still have an obligation to spread the Word, as specified by the Great Commission.

Predestination completely destroys the concept of free will and makes everything pointless. Everything you think, say and do is out of your control.


The point of our existence is to give him honor and praise.


Why does he want it, need it or care about it? Who is he trying to impress?
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hockeybub89
11/04/18 3:14:23 PM
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
TheOrgyPorgy posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
TheOrgyPorgy posted...
The Bible makes it clear that the Lord has an elect that he predestined to everlasting life. However, as we do not know who is in the elect (only he knows), we still have an obligation to spread the Word, as specified by the Great Commission.

Predestination completely destroys the concept of free will and makes everything pointless. Everything you think, say and do is out of your control.


The point of our existence is to give him honor and praise.


Why does he want it, need it or care about it? Who is he trying to impress?

The other gods. We're his entry in the virtual world fair in Godville. First prize is the adoration of your neighbors and a $3000 shopping spree on Amazon. What do I know though? He programmed me to say this.
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TheOrgyPorgy
11/04/18 3:29:30 PM
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ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
TheOrgyPorgy posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
TheOrgyPorgy posted...
The Bible makes it clear that the Lord has an elect that he predestined to everlasting life. However, as we do not know who is in the elect (only he knows), we still have an obligation to spread the Word, as specified by the Great Commission.

Predestination completely destroys the concept of free will and makes everything pointless. Everything you think, say and do is out of your control.


The point of our existence is to give him honor and praise.


Why does he want it, need it or care about it? Who is he trying to impress?


https://www.gotquestions.org/God-demand-worship.html
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