Current Events > Why were Gamefreak such fucking trolls in Gen 2?

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LostForest 10/25/18 11:03:03 PM #1:	Phanpy evolved into Donphan, a hype/popular new Pokemon, but you can only catch one really late in the game in GS. So they fix it in Crystal by making it appear on one of the first routes in the game! Oh but it's only a 5% spawn chance. And also it can only be found in the morning. Oh and also it's one of the few Pokemon that instantly flees when you encounter it. Like what the fuck lol. It's not even a great Pokemon. Not counting Mud Slap, it literally only learns one ground attack and it's at like level 50 or something. --- -Revenant Dracanea- <cite>LostForest posted [p:911178042] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote>Phanpy evolved into Donphan, a hype/popular new Pokemon, but you can only catch one really late in the game in GS. So they fix it in Crystal by making it appear on one of the first routes in the game! Oh but it's only a 5% spawn chance. And also it can only be found in the morning. Oh and also it's one of the few Pokemon that instantly flees when you encounter it. Like what the fuck lol. It's not even a great Pokemon. Not counting Mud Slap, it literally only learns one ground attack and it's at like level 50 or something.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GeneralKenobi85 10/25/18 11:04:42 PM #2:	They still don't know what they're doing --- Ah, yes, the Negotiator: General Kenobi <sneaky beeping> <cite>GeneralKenobi85 posted [p:911178152] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote>They still don't know what they're doing</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Delirious_Beard 10/25/18 11:05:11 PM #3:	it's not trolling it's incompetence --- https://i.imgtc.com/hB9W4JK.gif "Does our ruin benefit the earth? Does it help the grass to grow, the sun to shine? Is this darkness in you, too?" <cite>Delirious_Beard posted [p:911178186] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote>it's not trolling it's incompetence</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blue_Inigo 10/25/18 11:06:48 PM #4:	I wish phanpy was good. I loved it in the anime --- "This is your last dance." <cite>Blue_Inigo posted [p:911178266] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote>I wish phanpy was good. I loved it in the anime</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LooksLikeDarko 10/25/18 11:13:39 PM #5:	Blue_Inigo posted... I wish phanpy was good. I loved it in the anime Yep. Its cute as hell <cite>LooksLikeDarko posted [p:911178608] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote><cite>Blue_Inigo posted...</cite> <quote>I wish phanpy was good. I loved it in the anime</quote> Yep. Its cute as hell</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mehmeh1 10/25/18 11:25:01 PM #6:	Blue_Inigo posted... I wish phanpy was good. I loved it in the anime fun fact, it's one of the only 2 of ash's mons to evolve in another saga than the one he was caught at (he evolved in AG while he was caught in OS, the other one would be quilava, who evolved in dp, though there's also ambipom, but she was dawn's when she evolved, so she doesn't count) --- FC: 3840-6927-7945, have OR/Y/SM4SH/PSMD/S/US I'm a youtuber, here is my link: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRj1lj8EWzRtw3jp3HUXCxQ? .I play games <cite>mehmeh1 posted [p:911179196] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote><cite>Blue_Inigo posted...</cite> <quote>I wish phanpy was good. I loved it in the anime</quote> fun fact, it's one of the only 2 of ash's mons to evolve in another saga than the one he was caught at (he evolved in AG while he was caught in OS, the other one would be quilava, who evolved in dp, though there's also ambipom, but she was dawn's when she evolved, so she doesn't count)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Froakie 10/25/18 11:27:11 PM #7:	Its whack. Ground typing sucks. --- https://imgur.com/e3BtHTg https://imgur.com/yUADAmW wufei8706 https://imgur.com/6VJ45OV <cite>Froakie posted [p:911179299] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote>Its whack. Ground typing sucks.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DepreceV2 10/25/18 11:29:41 PM #8:	Froakie posted... Its whack. Ground typing sucks. What's crazy is that ground types have some really cool Pokmon. I always wanted Sandslash to be good but alas. He was probably best in Gen 1 with that broken Slash attack --- Yes... I'm a Hanzo main <cite>DepreceV2 posted [p:911179432] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote><cite>Froakie posted...</cite> <quote>Its whack. Ground typing sucks.</quote> What's crazy is that ground types have some really cool Pokmon. I always wanted Sandslash to be good but alas. He was probably best in Gen 1 with that broken Slash attack</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LostForest 10/26/18 12:12:06 AM #9:	Also can we talk about your can't even get some of the Gen 2 Pokemon until you fucking beat the game and go back to Kanto? The other day I was thinking "Huh, how come I never trained a Houndour in any of the Gen 2 games over the years?" and then I looked up where I could catch one. Next to fucking Celadon City (IIRC Slugma was like this too) And don't even get me started on Xatu. --- -Revenant Dracanea- <cite>LostForest posted [p:911181328] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote>Also can we talk about your can't even get some of the Gen 2 Pokemon until you fucking beat the game and go back to Kanto? The other day I was thinking "Huh, how come I never trained a Houndour in any of the Gen 2 games over the years?" and then I looked up where I could catch one. Next to fucking Celadon City (IIRC Slugma was like this too) And don't even get me started on Xatu.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hotcegaI 10/26/18 12:16:05 AM #10:	New gimmicks are usually overdone badly The time system was a problem from day one and still is Pretty much the games were made so quickly to put out a 3rd season of the anime. The entire games are driven to make anime and money, not to make games that are enjoyable. Besides this is Japanese mobile gaming <cite>hotcegaI posted [p:911181482] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote>New gimmicks are usually overdone badly The time system was a problem from day one and still is Pretty much the games were made so quickly to put out a 3rd season of the anime. The entire games are driven to make anime and money, not to make games that are enjoyable. Besides this is Japanese mobile gaming</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendarylemur 10/26/18 12:20:13 AM #11:	Donphan was OU for like 2-3 generations --- "Iwata was awesome" - Mr. Nintendo https://imgur.com/JGJqvwW <cite>legendarylemur posted [p:911181645] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote>Donphan was OU for like 2-3 generations</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blue_Inigo 10/26/18 12:27:28 AM #12:	legendarylemur posted... Donphan was OU for like 2-3 generations How tho --- "This is your last dance." <cite>Blue_Inigo posted [p:911181931] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote><cite>legendarylemur posted...</cite> <quote>Donphan was OU for like 2-3 generations</quote> How tho</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MC_BatCommander 10/26/18 12:28:36 AM #13:	How about you can't catch Houndour, one of the coolest new pokemon until fucking Kanto That thing should have been in the 3rd route or some shit --- The Legend is True! <cite>MC_BatCommander posted [p:911181968] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote>How about you can't catch Houndour, one of the coolest new pokemon until fucking Kanto That thing should have been in the 3rd route or some shit</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hotcegaI 10/26/18 12:32:48 AM #14:	MC_BatCommander posted... How about you can't catch Houndour, one of the coolest new pokemon until fucking Kanto That thing should have been in the 3rd route or some shit in Silver there was a massive lack of fire pokemon outside of your starter. Gold had growlithe at the first gym city iirc But I think silver was screwed until 4th gym area <cite>hotcegaI posted [p:911182131] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote><cite>MC_BatCommander posted...</cite> <quote>How about you can't catch Houndour, one of the coolest new pokemon until fucking Kanto That thing should have been in the 3rd route or some shit</quote> in Silver there was a massive lack of fire pokemon outside of your starter. Gold had growlithe at the first gym city iirc But I think silver was screwed until 4th gym area</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendarylemur 10/26/18 1:06:49 AM #15:	Blue_Inigo posted... legendarylemur posted... Donphan was OU for like 2-3 generations How tho I don't remember well enough anymore but I remember he was one of the best rapid spinners in the game. I believe it was because most of the entry hazard/set up pokemon were physical and Donphan had a massive 120 base def/90 HP and a good defensive type in ground. You also had a STAB Earthquake with 120 base attack, which back then was a very basic recipe for success because EQ was op on things that didn't even get STAB. I think by now he's been powercrept and is doomed to go 2nd against things that can break through his physical wall. --- "Iwata was awesome" - Mr. Nintendo https://imgur.com/JGJqvwW <cite>legendarylemur posted [p:911183494] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote><cite>Blue_Inigo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>legendarylemur posted...</cite> <quote>Donphan was OU for like 2-3 generations</quote> How tho</quote> I don't remember well enough anymore but I remember he was one of the best rapid spinners in the game. I believe it was because most of the entry hazard/set up pokemon were physical and Donphan had a massive 120 base def/90 HP and a good defensive type in ground. You also had a STAB Earthquake with 120 base attack, which back then was a very basic recipe for success because EQ was op on things that didn't even get STAB. I think by now he's been powercrept and is doomed to go 2nd against things that can break through his physical wall.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ToadallyAwesome 10/26/18 1:10:46 AM #16:	hotcegaI posted... New gimmicks are usually overdone badly The time system was a problem from day one and still is Pretty much the games were made so quickly to put out a 3rd season of the anime. The entire games are driven to make anime and money, not to make games that are enjoyable. Besides this is Japanese mobile gaming This hot take is 2edgy4me. Jesus dude. Sounds like you didnt play them at release when they were literally god. --- https://imgur.com/QKdxwuI <cite>ToadallyAwesome posted [p:911183625] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote><cite>hotcegaI posted...</cite> <quote>New gimmicks are usually overdone badly The time system was a problem from day one and still is Pretty much the games were made so quickly to put out a 3rd season of the anime. The entire games are driven to make anime and money, not to make games that are enjoyable. Besides this is Japanese mobile gaming</quote> This hot take is 2edgy4me. Jesus dude. Sounds like you didnt play them at release when they were literally god.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hotcegaI 10/26/18 1:12:33 AM #17:	ToadallyAwesome posted... This hot take is 2edgy4me. Not really They were fun when they came out Except the Saffron City thing in first gen. That was bad. And the weird levels between gyms at times The problem is that looking back, theyre basic GB games. They were rushed out to meet the release of the anime. Anime episode one had ho-ho on it. That was only ever in gen 2. Same with Marill and togepi or whateverthe little rat bastard was. <cite>hotcegaI posted [p:911183687] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote><cite>ToadallyAwesome posted...</cite> <quote>This hot take is 2edgy4me.</quote> Not really They were fun when they came out Except the Saffron City thing in first gen. That was bad. And the weird levels between gyms at times The problem is that looking back, theyre basic GB games. They were rushed out to meet the release of the anime. Anime episode one had ho-ho on it. That was only ever in gen 2. Same with Marill and togepi or whateverthe little rat bastard was.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SomeLikeItHoth 10/26/18 1:17:04 AM #18:	Gligar was just as bad. I loved using him but you can't catch it until the final town in Johto. --- Trump/Pence 2016 Make America Great Again <cite>SomeLikeItHoth posted [p:911183830] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote>Gligar was just as bad. I loved using him but you can't catch it until the final town in Johto.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MorganTJ 10/26/18 1:32:49 AM #19:	Froakie posted... Its whack. Ground typing sucks. How? Ground types usually define the meta in some way each gen (Garchomp, Excadrill, Landorus-T, etc.) and earthquake is one of the best physical moves despite flying and levitate being a thing. <cite>MorganTJ posted [p:911184341] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote><cite>Froakie posted...</cite> <quote>Its whack. Ground typing sucks.</quote> How? Ground types usually define the meta in some way each gen (Garchomp, Excadrill, Landorus-T, etc.) and earthquake is one of the best physical moves despite flying and levitate being a thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 10/26/18 1:37:04 AM #20:	Delirious_Beard posted... it's not trolling it's incompetence This. Iwata had to basically redo all of their work for Gen 2 by himself because of such a shitty job they did. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:911184472] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote><cite>Delirious_Beard posted...</cite> <quote>it's not trolling it's incompetence</quote> This. Iwata had to basically redo all of their work for Gen 2 by himself because of such a shitty job they did.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MhkaCHemistry 10/26/18 1:57:06 AM #21:	Gen 2 gets so much love for "having all the regions at the time man" but really dropped the ball in some places. - No Dark types in the wild pre E4. - Most routes only have 1-2 new pokes and some of them are functionally locked behind swarms (Yanma nightmares). - Really the amount of new pokes only post E4 as a whole or required trading. (No friends, NO SCIZOR FOR YOU BILLY) - Apparently Heracross headbutt mechanics are screwy? https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Headbutt_tree The trainer ID decides with no in game indicator where he can spawn it seems so good luck. --- https://imgur.com/iB1sU http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a290/juliaxx/Picture56.jpg Free stuff! <cite>MhkaCHemistry posted [p:911185088] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote>Gen 2 gets so much love for "having all the regions at the time man" but really dropped the ball in some places. - No Dark types in the wild pre E4. - Most routes only have 1-2 new pokes and some of them are functionally locked behind swarms (Yanma nightmares). - Really the amount of new pokes only post E4 as a whole or required trading. (No friends, NO SCIZOR FOR YOU BILLY) - Apparently Heracross headbutt mechanics are screwy? https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Headbutt_tree The trainer ID decides with no in game indicator where he can spawn it seems so good luck.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Irony 10/26/18 2:02:58 AM #22:	You mean Larvitar. Couldn't catch that shit until the last 5 minutes of the game. --- I am Mogar, God of Irony and The Devourer of Topics. <cite>Irony posted [p:911185264] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote>You mean Larvitar. Couldn't catch that shit until the last 5 minutes of the game.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 10/26/18 8:03:15 AM #23:	Irony posted... You mean Larvitar. Couldn't catch that shit until the last 5 minutes of the game. Don't really have a problem with that one as Tyranitar was a Pseudo-Legendary. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:911192879] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote><cite>Irony posted...</cite> <quote>You mean Larvitar. Couldn't catch that shit until the last 5 minutes of the game.</quote> Don't really have a problem with that one as Tyranitar was a Pseudo-Legendary.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlisLandale 10/26/18 8:08:20 AM #24:	To be fair Pikachu was similar, though Pikachu didnt flee right away. I always hated how the Dark Pokmon were in Kanto and completely useless for the main game >_> --- Since I'm not popular, I'll post on GameFAQs. <cite>AlisLandale posted [p:911193057] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote>To be fair Pikachu was similar, though Pikachu didnt flee right away. I always hated how the Dark Pokmon were in Kanto and completely useless for the main game >_></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PokemonExpert44 10/26/18 8:19:52 AM #25:	game freak trolls everyone --- I might just 6-0 you in Pokemon. Watch out for my teams. <cite>PokemonExpert44 posted [p:911193442] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote>game freak trolls everyone</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AdviceMan 10/26/18 8:27:41 AM #26:	U can get umbreon --- "I'm not racist but, BLM sure did make me racist." -Skasa I'm just here to offer you advice, take it or leave it. <cite>AdviceMan posted [p:911193668] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote>U can get umbreon</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vermander 10/26/18 8:32:50 AM #27:	Froakie posted... Its whack. Ground typing sucks. Say that to Earthquake, Primal Groudon, Hippowdon, and Garchomp --- Remember kids, Jesus died for your sins. So if you don't sin, Jesus died for nothing. <cite>Vermander posted [p:911193842] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote><cite>Froakie posted...</cite> <quote>Its whack. Ground typing sucks.</quote> Say that to Earthquake, Primal Groudon, Hippowdon, and Garchomp</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PokemonExpert44 10/26/18 9:36:16 AM #28:	Vermander posted... Froakie posted... Its whack. Ground typing sucks. Say that to Earthquake, Primal Groudon, Hippowdon, and Garchomp Also, Zygarde Complete Forme. --- I might just 6-0 you in Pokemon. Watch out for my teams. <cite>PokemonExpert44 posted [p:911196122] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote><cite>Vermander posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Froakie posted...</cite> <quote>Its whack. Ground typing sucks.</quote> Say that to Earthquake, Primal Groudon, Hippowdon, and Garchomp</quote> Also, Zygarde Complete Forme.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alpha218 10/26/18 9:43:41 AM #29:	Froakie posted... Its whack. Ground typing sucks. Lmao Ground is a top 3 type, if not the best one Hits 5 types super effectively Earthquake is one of the best moves in the game and is a spread move in doubles Really only countered by Flying/Levitate/Air Balloon One of the biggest reasons why infinite use TMs was great is that you could keep reusing the Earthquake TM --- I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite user on the Citadel. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1349-mario Now Playing: Magic the Gathering: Arena <cite>Alpha218 posted [p:911196403] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote><cite>Froakie posted...</cite> <quote>Its whack. Ground typing sucks.</quote> Lmao Ground is a top 3 type, if not the best one Hits 5 types super effectively Earthquake is one of the best moves in the game and is a spread move in doubles Really only countered by Flying/Levitate/Air Balloon One of the biggest reasons why infinite use TMs was great is that you could keep reusing the Earthquake TM</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Juhanor 10/26/18 9:50:24 AM #30:	Cross generation stuff always makes me shake my head. Want to play Kanto with Hoenn Pokemon or Emerald with Kanto? Well, that's too bad, can't trade until you've literally beaten the entire game. ~~The one exception is R/S, which don't have any National Pokedex trickery~~ --- F.F. <cite>Juhanor posted [p:911196707] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote>Cross generation stuff always makes me shake my head. Want to play Kanto with Hoenn Pokemon or Emerald with Kanto? Well, that's too bad, can't trade until you've literally beaten the entire game. The one exception is R/S, which don't have any National Pokedex trickery</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LostForest 10/26/18 10:01:40 AM #31:	MhkaCHemistry posted... - Apparently Heracross headbutt mechanics are screwy? https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Headbutt_tree The trainer ID decides with no in game indicator where he can spawn it seems so good luck. Yeah I didn't know about this either to I started my file last week. There's literally hundreds of trees across the game you can headbutt and heracross spawns in only a random few based on your ID number like you said. Thank God some nerd on le Reddit put together a tool that you can enter the ID number and it shows your which trees have the special/rare spawns. --- -Revenant Dracanea- <cite>LostForest posted [p:911197201] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote><cite>MhkaCHemistry posted...</cite> <quote>- Apparently Heracross headbutt mechanics are screwy? https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Headbutt_tree The trainer ID decides with no in game indicator where he can spawn it seems so good luck.</quote> Yeah I didn't know about this either to I started my file last week. There's literally hundreds of trees across the game you can headbutt and heracross spawns in only a random few based on your ID number like you said. Thank God some nerd on le Reddit put together a tool that you can enter the ID number and it shows your which trees have the special/rare spawns.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
joe_stalin518 10/26/18 10:08:30 AM #32:	I think you can get sneasel before or after the 8th gym in johto, but he's not that good. The best dark move was crunch iirc and I think only Tyranitar and Houndour learn it --- how does super mario world work without updates? Relax I know what I'm doing,I been killing topics since 1987 <cite>joe_stalin518 posted [p:911197468] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote>I think you can get sneasel before or after the 8th gym in johto, but he's not that good. The best dark move was crunch iirc and I think only Tyranitar and Houndour learn it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LostForest 10/26/18 12:36:50 PM #33:	I'll never understand why they were so stingy with Pokemon's movepools back then too. There's tons of Pokemon that only learn maybe one or two STAB attacks period, and even then it's usually only from TMs. Good example is Forretress, a cool as hell Pokemon. He literally can't learn any steel attacks, and the only bug attack he gets is through breeding. Heracross is similar. He can't learn any good fighting attacks. The only non-gimmick one is Rock Smash, at a whopping 40bp lol. Sneasel also can't learn any Ice attacks without TMs. It boggles my mind that anyone was able to play Pokemon competitively when there were so few options back then lol. --- -Revenant Dracanea- <cite>LostForest posted [p:911205301] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote>I'll never understand why they were so stingy with Pokemon's movepools back then too. There's tons of Pokemon that only learn maybe one or two STAB attacks period, and even then it's usually only from TMs. Good example is Forretress, a cool as hell Pokemon. He literally can't learn any steel attacks, and the only bug attack he gets is through breeding. Heracross is similar. He can't learn any good fighting attacks. The only non-gimmick one is Rock Smash, at a whopping 40bp lol. Sneasel also can't learn any Ice attacks without TMs. It boggles my mind that anyone was able to play Pokemon competitively when there were so few options back then lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alpha218 10/26/18 12:44:18 PM #34:	Just play the broken shit, pretty much. They did a lot better job fleshing out movepools as time passed, but still... --- I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite user on the Citadel. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1349-mario Now Playing: Magic the Gathering: Arena <cite>Alpha218 posted [p:911205737] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote>Just play the broken shit, pretty much. They did a lot better job fleshing out movepools as time passed, but still...</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MC_BatCommander 10/26/18 12:48:11 PM #35:	LostForest posted... It boggles my mind that anyone was able to play Pokemon competitively when there were so few options back then lol. Coincidentally it was pretty much the worst meta game in the series history. Basically nothing but stall and curse-sweeping, and every single Pokemon carried leftovers. Skarm/Bliss/Snorlax was like every single team. --- The Legend is True! <cite>MC_BatCommander posted [p:911205956] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote><cite>LostForest posted...</cite> <quote>It boggles my mind that anyone was able to play Pokemon competitively when there were so few options back then lol. </quote> Coincidentally it was pretty much the worst meta game in the series history. Basically nothing but stall and curse-sweeping, and every single Pokemon carried leftovers. Skarm/Bliss/Snorlax was like every single team.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LostForest 10/26/18 1:11:22 PM #36:	MC_BatCommander posted... LostForest posted... It boggles my mind that anyone was able to play Pokemon competitively when there were so few options back then lol. Coincidentally it was pretty much the worst meta game in the series history. Basically nothing but stall and curse-sweeping, and every single Pokemon carried leftovers. Skarm/Bliss/Snorlax was like every single team. Shudders Fuck that, man. I hate Blissey so much. --- -Revenant Dracanea- <cite>LostForest posted [p:911207253] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote><cite>MC_BatCommander posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LostForest posted...</cite> <quote>It boggles my mind that anyone was able to play Pokemon competitively when there were so few options back then lol. </quote> Coincidentally it was pretty much the worst meta game in the series history. Basically nothing but stall and curse-sweeping, and every single Pokemon carried leftovers. Skarm/Bliss/Snorlax was like every single team.</quote> Shudders Fuck that, man. I hate Blissey so much.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendarylemur 10/26/18 1:25:46 PM #37:	MC_BatCommander posted... LostForest posted... It boggles my mind that anyone was able to play Pokemon competitively when there were so few options back then lol. Coincidentally it was pretty much the worst meta game in the series history. Basically nothing but stall and curse-sweeping, and every single Pokemon carried leftovers. Skarm/Bliss/Snorlax was like every single team. Donphan was a great check to Skarmory and Snorlax, since it could learn Fire Fang and Fire Fang was a special type move in 3rd gen which bypassed Skarmory's wall, while EQ on lax did quite a bit in general depending on how many curse he had up, on top of outspeeding lax. In 4th gen, you could've just EQ'd to bait out the roost from Skarm or hit a switch in really hard --- "Iwata was awesome" - Mr. Nintendo https://imgur.com/JGJqvwW <cite>legendarylemur posted [p:911207984] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote><cite>MC_BatCommander posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LostForest posted...</cite> <quote>It boggles my mind that anyone was able to play Pokemon competitively when there were so few options back then lol. </quote> Coincidentally it was pretty much the worst meta game in the series history. Basically nothing but stall and curse-sweeping, and every single Pokemon carried leftovers. Skarm/Bliss/Snorlax was like every single team.</quote> Donphan was a great check to Skarmory and Snorlax, since it could learn Fire Fang and Fire Fang was a special type move in 3rd gen which bypassed Skarmory's wall, while EQ on lax did quite a bit in general depending on how many curse he had up, on top of outspeeding lax. In 4th gen, you could've just EQ'd to bait out the roost from Skarm or hit a switch in really hard</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LostForest 10/26/18 2:29:22 PM #38:	legendarylemur posted... MC_BatCommander posted... LostForest posted... It boggles my mind that anyone was able to play Pokemon competitively when there were so few options back then lol. Coincidentally it was pretty much the worst meta game in the series history. Basically nothing but stall and curse-sweeping, and every single Pokemon carried leftovers. Skarm/Bliss/Snorlax was like every single team. Donphan was a great check to Skarmory and Snorlax, since it could learn Fire Fang and Fire Fang was a special type move in 3rd gen which bypassed Skarmory's wall, while EQ on lax did quite a bit in general depending on how many curse he had up, on top of outspeeding lax. In 4th gen, you could've just EQ'd to bait out the roost from Skarm or hit a switch in really hard I thought the elemental fangs wereny added in until Gen 4? --- -Revenant Dracanea- <cite>LostForest posted [p:911211610] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote><cite>legendarylemur posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MC_BatCommander posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LostForest posted...</cite> <quote>It boggles my mind that anyone was able to play Pokemon competitively when there were so few options back then lol. </quote> Coincidentally it was pretty much the worst meta game in the series history. Basically nothing but stall and curse-sweeping, and every single Pokemon carried leftovers. Skarm/Bliss/Snorlax was like every single team.</quote> Donphan was a great check to Skarmory and Snorlax, since it could learn Fire Fang and Fire Fang was a special type move in 3rd gen which bypassed Skarmory's wall, while EQ on lax did quite a bit in general depending on how many curse he had up, on top of outspeeding lax. In 4th gen, you could've just EQ'd to bait out the roost from Skarm or hit a switch in really hard</quote> I thought the elemental fangs wereny added in until Gen 4?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendarylemur 10/26/18 2:57:25 PM #39:	LostForest posted... legendarylemur posted... MC_BatCommander posted... LostForest posted... It boggles my mind that anyone was able to play Pokemon competitively when there were so few options back then lol. Coincidentally it was pretty much the worst meta game in the series history. Basically nothing but stall and curse-sweeping, and every single Pokemon carried leftovers. Skarm/Bliss/Snorlax was like every single team. Donphan was a great check to Skarmory and Snorlax, since it could learn Fire Fang and Fire Fang was a special type move in 3rd gen which bypassed Skarmory's wall, while EQ on lax did quite a bit in general depending on how many curse he had up, on top of outspeeding lax. In 4th gen, you could've just EQ'd to bait out the roost from Skarm or hit a switch in really hard I thought the elemental fangs wereny added in until Gen 4? Oh yeah you're right. I forgot they added those fangs on a bunch of mons after the phys/spec split. I actually don't remember what people primarily used for Skarm check but usually in gen 3, if all else fails you went with Hidden Power --- "Iwata was awesome" - Mr. Nintendo https://imgur.com/JGJqvwW <cite>legendarylemur posted [p:911213254] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote><cite>LostForest posted...</cite> <quote><cite>legendarylemur posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MC_BatCommander posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LostForest posted...</cite> <quote>It boggles my mind that anyone was able to play Pokemon competitively when there were so few options back then lol. </quote> Coincidentally it was pretty much the worst meta game in the series history. Basically nothing but stall and curse-sweeping, and every single Pokemon carried leftovers. Skarm/Bliss/Snorlax was like every single team.</quote> Donphan was a great check to Skarmory and Snorlax, since it could learn Fire Fang and Fire Fang was a special type move in 3rd gen which bypassed Skarmory's wall, while EQ on lax did quite a bit in general depending on how many curse he had up, on top of outspeeding lax. In 4th gen, you could've just EQ'd to bait out the roost from Skarm or hit a switch in really hard</quote> I thought the elemental fangs wereny added in until Gen 4?</quote> Oh yeah you're right. I forgot they added those fangs on a bunch of mons after the phys/spec split. I actually don't remember what people primarily used for Skarm check but usually in gen 3, if all else fails you went with Hidden Power</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mehmeh1 10/26/18 6:27:43 PM #40:	hotcegaI posted... ToadallyAwesome posted... This hot take is 2edgy4me. Not really They were fun when they came out Except the Saffron City thing in first gen. That was bad. And the weird levels between gyms at times The problem is that looking back, theyre basic GB games. They were rushed out to meet the release of the anime. Anime episode one had ho-ho on it. That was only ever in gen 2. Same with Marill and togepi or whateverthe little rat bastard was. >Delayed for like 1 year (or even more) >Rushed That being said, GSC did have some pretty bad game design issues --- FC: 3840-6927-7945, have OR/Y/SM4SH/PSMD/S/US I'm a youtuber, here is my link: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRj1lj8EWzRtw3jp3HUXCxQ? .I play games <cite>mehmeh1 posted [p:911224708] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote><cite>hotcegaI posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ToadallyAwesome posted...</cite> <quote>This hot take is 2edgy4me.</quote> Not really They were fun when they came out Except the Saffron City thing in first gen. That was bad. And the weird levels between gyms at times The problem is that looking back, theyre basic GB games. They were rushed out to meet the release of the anime. Anime episode one had ho-ho on it. That was only ever in gen 2. Same with Marill and togepi or whateverthe little rat bastard was.</quote> >Delayed for like 1 year (or even more) >Rushed That being said, GSC did have some pretty bad game design issues</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 10/26/18 6:35:54 PM #41:	MhkaCHemistry posted... Gen 2 gets so much love for "having all the regions at the time man" but really dropped the ball in some places. - No Dark types in the wild pre E4. - Most routes only have 1-2 new pokes and some of them are functionally locked behind swarms (Yanma nightmares). - Really the amount of new pokes only post E4 as a whole or required trading. (No friends, NO SCIZOR FOR YOU BILLY) - Apparently Heracross headbutt mechanics are screwy? https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Headbutt_tree The trainer ID decides with no in game indicator where he can spawn it seems so good luck. GSC also had the infamously awful wild Pokemon to trainers level scaling which they for some reason didn't think to fix in HGSS --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:911225057] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote><cite>MhkaCHemistry posted...</cite> <quote>Gen 2 gets so much love for "having all the regions at the time man" but really dropped the ball in some places. - No Dark types in the wild pre E4. - Most routes only have 1-2 new pokes and some of them are functionally locked behind swarms (Yanma nightmares). - Really the amount of new pokes only post E4 as a whole or required trading. (No friends, NO SCIZOR FOR YOU BILLY) - Apparently Heracross headbutt mechanics are screwy? https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Headbutt_tree The trainer ID decides with no in game indicator where he can spawn it seems so good luck.</quote> GSC also had the infamously awful wild Pokemon to trainers level scaling which they for some reason didn't think to fix in HGSS</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Devimon 10/26/18 6:40:12 PM #42:	i've been saying this shit about gen 2 for a while johto is literally just half a region because kanto all the stuff about wild pokemon placement mentioned and the level curve too doing things like replacing TM35 (flamethrower in rby) with... sleep talk i can't fault them for learnset issues because until gen 4 level up learnsets were really shitty --- Opinions posted on this account do not reflect the opinions of the user behind it <cite>Devimon posted [p:911225261] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote>i've been saying this shit about gen 2 for a while johto is literally just half a region because kanto all the stuff about wild pokemon placement mentioned and the level curve too doing things like replacing TM35 (flamethrower in rby) with... sleep talk i can't fault them for learnset issues because until gen 4 level up learnsets were really shitty</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
legendarylemur 10/26/18 8:02:24 PM #43:	GiftedACIII posted... MhkaCHemistry posted... Gen 2 gets so much love for "having all the regions at the time man" but really dropped the ball in some places. - No Dark types in the wild pre E4. - Most routes only have 1-2 new pokes and some of them are functionally locked behind swarms (Yanma nightmares). - Really the amount of new pokes only post E4 as a whole or required trading. (No friends, NO SCIZOR FOR YOU BILLY) - Apparently Heracross headbutt mechanics are screwy? https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Headbutt_tree The trainer ID decides with no in game indicator where he can spawn it seems so good luck. GSC also had the infamously awful wild Pokemon to trainers level scaling which they for some reason didn't think to fix in HGSS Actually, it ironically made HGSS an extremely fun and simple game to do a low level run on. I ended up beating Red with a team of high 50's --- "Iwata was awesome" - Mr. Nintendo https://imgur.com/JGJqvwW <cite>legendarylemur posted [p:911229612] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MhkaCHemistry posted...</cite> <quote>Gen 2 gets so much love for "having all the regions at the time man" but really dropped the ball in some places. - No Dark types in the wild pre E4. - Most routes only have 1-2 new pokes and some of them are functionally locked behind swarms (Yanma nightmares). - Really the amount of new pokes only post E4 as a whole or required trading. (No friends, NO SCIZOR FOR YOU BILLY) - Apparently Heracross headbutt mechanics are screwy? https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Headbutt_tree The trainer ID decides with no in game indicator where he can spawn it seems so good luck.</quote> GSC also had the infamously awful wild Pokemon to trainers level scaling which they for some reason didn't think to fix in HGSS</quote> Actually, it ironically made HGSS an extremely fun and simple game to do a low level run on. I ended up beating Red with a team of high 50's</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LostForest 10/26/18 9:39:35 PM #44:	What's this about wild Pokemon scaling to trainer levels? I don't think I've ever heard of it. --- -Revenant Dracanea- <cite>LostForest posted [p:911234705] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote>What's this about wild Pokemon scaling to trainer levels? I don't think I've ever heard of it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 10/26/18 9:42:44 PM #45:	legendarylemur posted... GiftedACIII posted... MhkaCHemistry posted... Gen 2 gets so much love for "having all the regions at the time man" but really dropped the ball in some places. - No Dark types in the wild pre E4. - Most routes only have 1-2 new pokes and some of them are functionally locked behind swarms (Yanma nightmares). - Really the amount of new pokes only post E4 as a whole or required trading. (No friends, NO SCIZOR FOR YOU BILLY) - Apparently Heracross headbutt mechanics are screwy? https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Headbutt_tree The trainer ID decides with no in game indicator where he can spawn it seems so good luck. GSC also had the infamously awful wild Pokemon to trainers level scaling which they for some reason didn't think to fix in HGSS Actually, it ironically made HGSS an extremely fun and simple game to do a low level run on. I ended up beating Red with a team of high 50's That's fine, but most people aren't doing low level runs. LostForest posted... What's this about wild Pokemon scaling to trainer levels? I don't think I've ever heard of it. Wild Pokemon are extremely under leveled compared to the trainers nearby. Especially on Kanto's side. --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:911234881] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote><cite>legendarylemur posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>MhkaCHemistry posted...</cite> <quote>Gen 2 gets so much love for "having all the regions at the time man" but really dropped the ball in some places. - No Dark types in the wild pre E4. - Most routes only have 1-2 new pokes and some of them are functionally locked behind swarms (Yanma nightmares). - Really the amount of new pokes only post E4 as a whole or required trading. (No friends, NO SCIZOR FOR YOU BILLY) - Apparently Heracross headbutt mechanics are screwy? https://m.bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Headbutt_tree The trainer ID decides with no in game indicator where he can spawn it seems so good luck.</quote> GSC also had the infamously awful wild Pokemon to trainers level scaling which they for some reason didn't think to fix in HGSS</quote> Actually, it ironically made HGSS an extremely fun and simple game to do a low level run on. I ended up beating Red with a team of high 50's</quote> That's fine, but most people aren't doing low level runs. <cite>LostForest posted...</cite> <quote>What's this about wild Pokemon scaling to trainer levels? I don't think I've ever heard of it. </quote> Wild Pokemon are extremely under leveled compared to the trainers nearby. Especially on Kanto's side.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LostForest 10/26/18 11:14:03 PM #46:	Ohhh, yeah I always noticed that lol. I never put two and two together, but yeah it always a pain in the ass leveling up. Like, it was a friggin miracle if you could even get your team up to level 45 for the E4 lol. --- -Revenant Dracanea- <cite>LostForest posted [p:911239207] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote>Ohhh, yeah I always noticed that lol. I never put two and two together, but yeah it always a pain in the ass leveling up. Like, it was a friggin miracle if you could even get your team up to level 45 for the E4 lol.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
mehmeh1 10/26/18 11:46:49 PM #47:	LostForest posted... Ohhh, yeah I always noticed that lol. I never put two and two together, but yeah it always a pain in the ass leveling up. Like, it was a friggin miracle if you could even get your team up to level 45 for the E4 lol. Playing VC silver I barely got my team to lv 50 for Red, and that was with grinding involved --- FC: 3840-6927-7945, have OR/Y/SM4SH/PSMD/S/US I'm a youtuber, here is my link: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCRj1lj8EWzRtw3jp3HUXCxQ? .I play games <cite>mehmeh1 posted [p:911240618] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote><cite>LostForest posted...</cite> <quote>Ohhh, yeah I always noticed that lol. I never put two and two together, but yeah it always a pain in the ass leveling up. Like, it was a friggin miracle if you could even get your team up to level 45 for the E4 lol.</quote> Playing VC silver I barely got my team to lv 50 for Red, and that was with grinding involved</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MhkaCHemistry 10/27/18 12:45:17 PM #48:	Also, no elemental stones in Johto. Can't forget that one. Wanted to use Vaporeon but nope! It also makes the Growlithe/Vulpix that spawn just south of Ecruteak capital b Bad. --- https://imgur.com/iB1sU http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a290/juliaxx/Picture56.jpg Free stuff! <cite>MhkaCHemistry posted [p:911263955] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote>Also, no elemental stones in Johto. Can't forget that one. Wanted to use Vaporeon but nope! It also makes the Growlithe/Vulpix that spawn just south of Ecruteak capital b Bad.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LostForest 10/27/18 2:00:29 PM #49:	MhkaCHemistry posted... Also, no elemental stones in Johto. Can't forget that one. Wanted to use Vaporeon but nope! It also makes the Growlithe/Vulpix that spawn just south of Ecruteak capital b Bad. Holy shit, I never realized that. What the frig were they thinking? Tbqh I wonder if it has to do with the fact they scrapped half the map from the beta version. Kanto was only made up of a single map back then, so I assume the game was way more balanced before they turned it into a second region? --- -Revenant Dracanea- <cite>LostForest posted [p:911267752] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote><cite>MhkaCHemistry posted...</cite> <quote>Also, no elemental stones in Johto. Can't forget that one. Wanted to use Vaporeon but nope! It also makes the Growlithe/Vulpix that spawn just south of Ecruteak capital b Bad.</quote> Holy shit, I never realized that. What the frig were they thinking? Tbqh I wonder if it has to do with the fact they scrapped half the map from the beta version. Kanto was only made up of a single map back then, so I assume the game was way more balanced before they turned it into a second region?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alpha218 10/27/18 7:16:32 PM #50:	I think it was either your mom could randomly buy them from you if you send money to her, or that specific trainers in your phonebook would randomly call you saying they found one and would like to share it with you. --- I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite user on the Citadel. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/1349-mario Now Playing: Magic the Gathering: Arena <cite>Alpha218 posted [p:911284884] in Why were G... [t:77132985]...</cite> <quote>I think it was either your mom could randomly buy them from you if you send money to her, or that specific trainers in your phonebook would randomly call you saying they found one and would like to share it with you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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