Current Events > Why do gamers seem to think hard is always good and easy is always bad?

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Also linear vs non-linear.

And probably more design choices that are constantly misinterpreted as quality issues.
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cuz they dumb
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because they like to show off
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because that's the entire reason you play games?

Easy has no challenge whatsoever. Normal is usually fine. Hard is cool if you want to push yourself harder on a second playthrough
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Broseph_Stalin posted...

because that's the entire reason you play games?

have you really never enjoyed an easy game?
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If I don't hate myself what's the point?
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Yeah the idea that games have to be challenging to be fun is dumb.

sleepysausage posted...

Yeah the idea that games have to be challenging to be fun is dumb.

Sometimes I enjoy easy, mindless fun.

Especially a second playthrough where I want go be super OP
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Animal Crossing needs a hard mode.
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So they can flex their e-penis
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YookaLaylee posted...

Easy has no challenge whatsoever. Normal is usually fine. Hard is cool if you want to push yourself harder on a second playthrough

FTL is still a challenge on Easy
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dark souls is easy and i like that game
lol
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SSJCAT posted...

cuz they dumb

Looks like you simply need to GIT GUD.
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kirbymuncher posted...

have you really never enjoyed an easy game?

No but I'm not from the let's play generation

Broseph_Stalin posted...

kirbymuncher posted...

have you really never enjoyed an easy game?

No but I'm not from the let's play generation

many of the "classics" are easy as well

smb3, smw, chrono trigger, lttp, super metroid, classic megaman series are all relatively well liked NES/SNES games that are not difficult
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I typically play on normal. I used to just jump straight to easy every time I played a new game. But its usually too easy.

Its also extremely rare that I buy a game that isnt open world. But, I am a massive fan of the Darksiders series. I plan on grabbing Darksiders III, even though its fairly linear.
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Easy games are just brainless nothing to me. If I wanted to do something brainless I'd just go brush my teeth or something. I want a game to actually make me think.

Lol did you just say the classic Mega Man games are easy
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KlRBEH posted...

Lol did you just say the classic Mega Man games are easy

fucken lol
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KlRBEH posted...

Lol did you just say the classic Mega Man games are easy

...yes?

have you played any of them recently? as long as you actually use your subweapons and e-tanks basically nothing in the game provides much of a threat
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voldothegr8 posted...

So they can flex their e-penis

kirbymuncher posted...

because they like to show off

its a pride/ego thing
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kirbymuncher posted...

KlRBEH posted...

Lol did you just say the classic Mega Man games are easy

...yes?

have you played any of them recently? as long as you actually use your subweapons and e-tanks basically nothing in the game provides much of a threat

whether or not youve mastered the game, hand the controller to anyone else and theyre gonna get slammed, especially on any wiley stage.
come on, dawg. be real.
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kirbymuncher posted...

KlRBEH posted...

Lol did you just say the classic Mega Man games are easy

...yes?

have you played any of them recently? as long as you actually use your subweapons and e-tanks basically nothing in the game provides much of a threat

Yeah you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

What the fuck is an e-tank going to do for you when you're in a room of nothing but spikes jumping around disappearing blocks, and if you die too many times you have to start the whole game over.
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just because a complete beginner can't beat one of the final levels in the game doesn't mean the game is difficult. I'm serious, go back to a lot of the games you remember being tough growing up and you'll realize that a lot of the reason they were hard is because you were bad

Tyranthraxus posted...

and if you die too many times you have to start the whole game over.

and this part isn't even true, which goes back to my "have you played any of them recently" comment
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hard > flaccid though.
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It's not ALWAYS bad but the problem is that it makes people expect games with low challenge. So you get whining about things being too hard and unfair when games used to revel in being challenging and players used to enjoy it.

It's old-man talk, yes, but it has a good point.
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I set the Witcher 3 to easy. No shame. That game has a great story and the combat really isn't all that complex, so it made more sense to me to just burn through the fights rather than taking 10 minutes to whittle down a group of drowners in order to progress the story.
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Depends on what dificulty means and the tools that are provided. If all that happens in hard is you taking more damage and you dealing less damage, then that's just a boring ass game. I like hard modes when they have more interesting variables, and when you can actually deal with the hardships if you master the game.
Max Payne 3 on hardest difficulty was amazing, super fun to play, high adrenaline, high risk, one of my best gaming experiences of all time. Fallout 4 on hardest mode is just boring and unfair, especially in the beginning. There are no mechanics that allow you to outskill your opponent, and every enemy takes way too long to kill. Playing a melee character becomes impossible at lower levels.
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kirbymuncher posted...

and this part isn't even true, which goes back to my "have you played any of them recently" comment

It is true for the first one. The password system was added in 2 because the first one was too hard. Almost everyone used the pause glitch to beat the yellow devil as well.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

kirbymuncher posted...

and this part isn't even true, which goes back to my "have you played any of them recently" comment

It is true for the first one. The password system was added in 2 because the first one was too hard. Almost everyone used the pause glitch to beat the yellow devil as well.

even in the first game, if you do continue or stage select it doesn't reset your progress completely. You go back to the start of the stage, but that's a normal thing for megaman games. The thing you miss out on by not having a password is being able to turn off the console and come back to the same place you left off. I think it's a lot more likely they just added the password system because the game was longer than the first one. tbh I dunno why they didn't put it in 1 as well, I assume it's to match the more arcade-y feel because MM1 also has a score counter that the other games got rid of
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There's nothing wrong with an easy game in and of itself. Some of us just don't like being given all the answers right off the bat, and a lot of games these days do exactly that.

A game doesn't have to be brain-meltingly hard (though I have no problem with that, either). Just let me figure it out on my own. I'm perfectly capable of this, I promise.
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casuals can go and stay gone
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kirbymuncher posted...

KlRBEH posted...

Lol did you just say the classic Mega Man games are easy

...yes?

have you played any of them recently? as long as you actually use your subweapons and e-tanks basically nothing in the game provides much of a threat

I actually have been playing all of them to lead up to Mega Man 11 and Im on 8 right now.

They arent as hard as people say they are but I definitely wouldnt say that theyre easy. And a lot of the Wilys Castle stages and bosses are bullshit

Like I want you to sit here and tell me that the last boss in Mega Man 7 is easy
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KlRBEH posted...

They arent as hard as people say they are but I definitely wouldnt say that theyre easy. And a lot of the Wilys Castle stages and bosses are bullshit

they definitely aren't as easy as something like super mario world

I agree with the general thought, though. It isn't clear to me that people did enjoy how hard NES and pre-NES and arcade games were, considering how much easier they got in the 16-bit era once battery saves were more financially feasible. The high difficulty in games prior to that seems to mostly be done to increase longevity.
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Because we paid $50-$60 on a game. Don't want to beat it the day we bring it home. Then wtf is the point?
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Nah I agree with you. But some people do act like Mega Man games are harder than they really are, back in the day I used to give up when I got to the Wily Castle stages lol but honestly if you keep playing them and losing they arent too bad. I actually love the challenging aspects of the Wily Castle stages now. Especially in Mega Man 3 and 4.

But to say Mega Man games are easy is just silly
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I just can't be bothered to play a game unless it pisses me off.
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If something is story heavy and I don't care about the gameplay, I put on easy to enjoy the ride. If the story is lacking or just not there, I will play it on hard to get more out of the experience.
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