Current Events > Snow White under attack in the age of #MeToo.

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In 2018 prince charming would be charged with sexual assault and be on the sex offender registry.

Think to be this offended by a kiss in a 81 years old cartoon.
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I didn't say that the parent was trying to educate their child not to be violent. I was saying that it was like trying to turn a conflict between a knight and a dragon into a commentary on xenophobia.

It's fair to say that you can't kiss someone without their consent. That's a lesson which needs to be taught. But to try and make a guy awakening his rightful fiance with a kiss into a rapist is silly.

If anything here is to be attacked, it's the notion of love at first site. And Frozen already crossed that bridge with a memorable musical number.

Skye Reynolds posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

Except, you know, Prince Charming was a literal fucking stranger who stumbled upon a woman in distress with zero context and thought, "Gee, she's unconscious, I should kiss her".

No, he was not. I watched the film recently in preparation for a trip to Disney World.

She'd met him, fell in love with him, and expressly hoped to marry him. He already had her consent. The curse even states that it can only be broken by true love's (first) kiss. Had he just been some random guy attempting to kiss an unconscious girl, it wouldn't have awakened her.

And the context was that he had spent months looking for her to ask her to marry him and found her in a state of living death. I'm pretty sure the kiss was meant as a homage / farewell, but hey. We've already accused him of being a rapist. Let's just asy he as a necrophiliac trying to get his jollies and, being shocked that she woke up, ended up marrying her to mask his secret shame. Because, after all, that's probably what Walt Disney had in mind with that film.

I was talking about the original version. He was a stranger in that one.

Skye Reynolds posted...

I didn't say that the parent was trying to educate their child not to be violent. I was saying that it was like trying to turn a conflict between a knight and a dragon into a commentary on xenophobia.

To be fair, dragons in most ancient fables are actually sentient (or even human in some cases) and people routinely kill them just for being dragons/magic/because they have treasure.

If anything, it reflects that times have changed, and a parent explaining that to children seems perfectly reasonable to me.

Dash_Harber posted...

I was talking about the original version. He was a stranger in that one.

Oh, the original version? Yeah, I'm not defending that. In the Disney version, they at least made the prince known to Snow White.

Isn't Sleeping Beauty way worse? Instead of a kiss it is an unconscious woman being raped. She only wakes up because one of the twins born from the rape sucked on her finger.
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Dash_Harber posted...

Skye Reynolds posted...

I didn't say that the parent was trying to educate their child not to be violent. I was saying that it was like trying to turn a conflict between a knight and a dragon into a commentary on xenophobia.

To be fair, dragons in most ancient fables are actually sentient (or even human in some cases) and people routinely kill them just for being dragons/magic/because they have treasure.

If anything, it reflects that times have changed, and a parent explaining that to children seems perfectly reasonable to me.

So it's okay for a parent to willfully ignore the context of a story to deliver a hamfisted lesson, but it's not okay to be annoyed with someone ignoring context to make a statement?

I'm not saying she's a failure of a parent or anything, but it is something to roll your eyes at if you're familiar with the story in question.

Lebronwon posted...

Isn't Sleeping Beauty way worse? Instead of a kiss it is an unconscious woman being raped. She only wakes up because one of the twins born from the rape sucked on her finger.

The original versions of most Disney stories are often quite ugly. Most of them amount to "everyone dies at the end."

Skye Reynolds posted...

Lebronwon posted...

Isn't Sleeping Beauty way worse? Instead of a kiss it is an unconscious woman being raped. She only wakes up because one of the twins born from the rape sucked on her finger.

The original versions of most Disney stories are often quite ugly. Most of them amount to "everyone dies at the end."

Yea. The original Little Mermaid ending was depressing.
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Skye Reynolds posted...

So it's okay for a parent to willfully ignore the context of a story to deliver a hamfisted lesson, but it's not okay to be annoyed with someone ignoring context to make a statement?

I didn't say either of those things, so you are asking the wrong person.

Skye Reynolds posted...

I'm not saying she's a failure of a parent or anything, but it is something to roll your eyes at if you're familiar with the story in question.

Well, you already demonstrated you weren't familiar with the original story, so I'd tread lightly if I was you.

Lebronwon posted...

Yea. The original Little Mermaid ending was depressing.

There was an episode of the TV series which ended with them saying that you can find the novel in your local library. My first thought was, "Have you read the book???"

I wouldn't inhibit my kids from watching it, but I'd definitely let them know about the importance of consent as it happens.
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Dash_Harber posted...

I didn't say either of those things, so you are asking the wrong person.

I apologize. I was getting you confused with Darmik.

Well, you already demonstrated you weren't familiar with the original story, so I'd tread lightly if I was you.

The original story has no bearing unless she's talking about the original story.

Skye Reynolds posted...

I apologize. I was getting you confused with Darmik.

Fair enough. No harm done.

Skye Reynolds posted...

The original story has no bearing unless she's talking about the original story.

Well I was, and you told me I was wrong so ...

The Little Mermaid is also banned in some Middle Eastern countries because Ariel is too scantily clad.

Horseshoe theory much?
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In the original Snow White, there was no kiss. The Prince asked the dwarves to move her glass coffin to his castle. The coffin slipped and the piece of poison apple lodged in her throat fell out of her mouth, causing Snow White to wake up.

Anyway, complaints about Disney princesses have gone back to the 80s. Belle, Ariel, and Mulan were all written by Disney to be more proactive in response to this criticism.

Sativa_Rose posted...

The Little Mermaid is also banned in some Middle Eastern countries because Ariel is too scantily clad.

You should see the costumes the cast members wear at Disneyland. Ariel and Jasmine's costume would make Jessica Nigiri blush. I believe Jasmine's costume received so many complaints, they had to redesign it for the parks so that it showed much less skin.

Also, I learned an interesting thing about Disney cast members. When one is chosen to play a role, it's based on body type so that they can play multiple characters if need be. For example, if its a woman with a willowy figure, she will play young roles like Ariel, Belle, Wendy, and Tinkerbell. If she is voluptuous, she ends up with older matronly roles like Cinderella, Snow White, Megura, and the Evil Queen. If its a muscular man, he will play Hercules, Gaston, and Tarzan.

One Disney cast member was mortified because she had to fill in as Ariel at the last minute and it turned into a disaster. Normally she plays Cinderella since she has a voluptuous figure. As a result, the shell bikini showed so much cleavage, she ended up looking like a Russ Meyer vixen. She also didn't know how to play Ariel, so out of nervousness she fell back on her Snow White voice. She called it one of her worst days on the job.
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There wasnt a kiss in the original Snow White as far as I can recall, I think Dash might be getting versions mixed up
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Times were different. Yes many of these stories are not okay by today's standards because times her different. That doesn't mean you should shield your kids from them, just the opposite actually.
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Thought that was sleeping beauty
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lol
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I'm glad they want to ban the Little Mermaid. That movie was trash. That movie teach girls all the wrong things.
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GreatEvilEmpire posted...

I'm glad they want to ban the Little Mermaid. That movie was trash. That movie teach girls all the wrong things.

what a dumb post

Little Mermaid: girl abandons her friends & family to run off (swim off) after a guy who doesnt know her.

She forever gives up her voice to have human legs, but the downside is that he has to f*** her in 3 days or shell become a slave to a fat octo-witch.
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Who gives a shit?
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