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King_Hellebuyck 10/17/18 5:22:22 PM #253:	Why dont you just read what I actually said instead of trying to find a gotcha? --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:910699318] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote>Why dont you just read what I actually said instead of trying to find a gotcha?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 10/17/18 5:28:24 PM #254:	King_Hellebuyck posted... Why dont you just read what I actually said instead of trying to find a gotcha? There is a reason I ask questions. Questions allow you to answer them as you wish to show what you believe and lay the ground work of understanding. You said the woman's intent for it to be a person makes that murder right? These are questions that follow from that statement. If she intends it to be a person, that means at present it is not a person right? So what the man killed was not a person right? Who then was murdered? Do you believe potential personhood is important to qualifying it as a person? Can your stance withstand these simple questions or will you ignore them because it might expose some shaky logic? If you feel nuance negates these answers, explain how. --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:910699643] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>Why dont you just read what I actually said instead of trying to find a gotcha?</quote> There is a reason I ask questions. Questions allow you to answer them as you wish to show what you believe and lay the ground work of understanding. You said the woman's intent for it to be a person makes that murder right? These are questions that follow from that statement. If she intends it to be a person, that means at present it is not a person right? So what the man killed was not a person right? Who then was murdered? Do you believe potential personhood is important to qualifying it as a person? Can your stance withstand these simple questions or will you ignore them because it might expose some shaky logic? If you feel nuance negates these answers, explain how.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 10/17/18 5:31:33 PM #255:	darkphoenix181 posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... Why dont you just read what I actually said instead of trying to find a gotcha? There is a reason I ask questions. Questions allow you to answer them as you wish to show what you believe and lay the ground work of understanding. You said the woman's intent for it to be a person makes that murder right? These are questions that follow from that statement. If she intends it to be a person, that means at present it is not a person right? So what the man killed was not a person right? Who then was murdered? This is the point where I know you understand what Im saying and realize you dont have a counter. --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:910699828] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>Why dont you just read what I actually said instead of trying to find a gotcha?</quote> There is a reason I ask questions. Questions allow you to answer them as you wish to show what you believe and lay the ground work of understanding. You said the woman's intent for it to be a person makes that murder right? These are questions that follow from that statement. If she intends it to be a person, that means at present it is not a person right? So what the man killed was not a person right? Who then was murdered?</quote> This is the point where I know you understand what Im saying and realize you dont have a counter.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 10/17/18 5:43:06 PM #256:	King_Hellebuyck posted... darkphoenix181 posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... Why dont you just read what I actually said instead of trying to find a gotcha? There is a reason I ask questions. Questions allow you to answer them as you wish to show what you believe and lay the ground work of understanding. You said the woman's intent for it to be a person makes that murder right? These are questions that follow from that statement. If she intends it to be a person, that means at present it is not a person right? So what the man killed was not a person right? Who then was murdered? This is the point where I know you understand what Im saying and realize you dont have a counter. Wtf You don't make sense. I am not the one refusing to answer questions or clarify my position when claiming my position was misrepsented. You can't claim I literally quoting you misrepsented what you said, and then claim I comprehend your point totally at the same time... especially when I asked you to clarify it and you refuse.... All I get from you now is you fear one of these questions but don't want your position known lest it be scrutinized. In any case, I will summarize my points as I am not afraid to clarify my position. 1. Hiding behind unexplained nuance doesn't make up for lack of logic 2. Nothing changes in the cells to make it now a person 3. Violation of consent is assault or rape, not murder 4. Murder requires a dead person, not clump of cells 5. Desire for cells to grow doesn't make it a person or change the biology of them 6. If consent did change it to a person as suggested, the woman couldn't change her mind and abort later on Yes, she can want the baby at first and then abort later. This really exposes your position that consent somehow makes cells a person. --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:910700443] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>Why dont you just read what I actually said instead of trying to find a gotcha?</quote> There is a reason I ask questions. Questions allow you to answer them as you wish to show what you believe and lay the ground work of understanding. You said the woman's intent for it to be a person makes that murder right? These are questions that follow from that statement. If she intends it to be a person, that means at present it is not a person right? So what the man killed was not a person right? Who then was murdered?</quote> This is the point where I know you understand what Im saying and realize you dont have a counter.</quote> Wtf You don't make sense. I am not the one refusing to answer questions or clarify my position when claiming my position was misrepsented. You can't claim I literally quoting you misrepsented what you said, and then claim I comprehend your point totally at the same time... especially when I asked you to clarify it and you refuse.... All I get from you now is you fear one of these questions but don't want your position known lest it be scrutinized. In any case, I will summarize my points as I am not afraid to clarify my position. 1. Hiding behind unexplained nuance doesn't make up for lack of logic 2. Nothing changes in the cells to make it now a person 3. Violation of consent is assault or rape, not murder 4. Murder requires a dead person, not clump of cells 5. Desire for cells to grow doesn't make it a person or change the biology of them 6. If consent did change it to a person as suggested, the woman couldn't change her mind and abort later on Yes, she can want the baby at first and then abort later. This really exposes your position that consent somehow makes cells a person.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 10/17/18 5:45:26 PM #257:	Here, let me repeat what I said so you can stop pretending I said something else: If the fetus is intended to become a fully grown person then violating a persons autonomy by killing it is legally murder. If a fetus is not intended to become a fully grown person by the person who has bodily autonomy then its not murder. Notice how thats not nearly the same as what you said? Probably not. Youre probably trolling me. --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:910700545] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote>Here, let me repeat what I said so you can stop pretending I said something else: If the fetus is intended to become a fully grown person then violating a persons autonomy by killing it is legally murder. If a fetus is not intended to become a fully grown person by the person who has bodily autonomy then its not murder. Notice how thats not nearly the same as what you said? Probably not. Youre probably trolling me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 10/17/18 5:49:38 PM #258:	King_Hellebuyck posted... Here, let me repeat what I said so you can stop pretending I said something else: then violating a persons autonomy by killing it is legally murder. If a fetus is not intended to become a fully grown person by the person who has bodily autonomy then its not murder. Notice how thats not nearly the same as what you said? Probably not. Youre probably trolling me. If the fetus is intended to become a fully grown person Is it at this point a person or still a clump of cells? --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:910700760] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>Here, let me repeat what I said so you can stop pretending I said something else: then violating a persons autonomy by killing it is legally murder. If a fetus is not intended to become a fully grown person by the person who has bodily autonomy then its not murder. Notice how thats not nearly the same as what you said? Probably not. Youre probably trolling me.</quote> If the fetus is intended to become a fully grown person Is it at this point a person or still a clump of cells?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 10/17/18 5:51:23 PM #259:	It doesnt matter whether its a person or a clump of cells. A person has bodily autonomy and therefore can decide whether to allow it to grow inside of them. Another person cannot make that decision for them, as it violates the bodily autonomy of the mother and kills the fetus that she intended to raise. --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:910700842] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote>It doesnt matter whether its a person or a clump of cells. A person has bodily autonomy and therefore can decide whether to allow it to grow inside of them. Another person cannot make that decision for them, as it violates the bodily autonomy of the mother and kills the fetus that she intended to raise.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 10/17/18 5:56:48 PM #260:	King_Hellebuyck posted... It doesnt matter whether its a person or a clump of cells. A person has bodily autonomy and therefore can decide whether to allow it to grow inside of them. Another person cannot make that decision for them, as it violates the bodily autonomy of the mother and kills the fetus that she intended to raise. It matters when defining murder. Or do you think a person scraping some skin off me should be murder? I never said it didn't violate bodily autonomy did I? Infact, I said it should be considered like rape or assault which are both crimes against bodily autonomy if our view is the fetus is just cells. That is why I am asking you what person is murdered. If it is a clump if cells, then we have no person or murder victim do we? So you bet your buttocks it matters whether it is a person or just cells. --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:910701118] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>It doesnt matter whether its a person or a clump of cells. A person has bodily autonomy and therefore can decide whether to allow it to grow inside of them. Another person cannot make that decision for them, as it violates the bodily autonomy of the mother and kills the fetus that she intended to raise.</quote> It matters when defining murder. Or do you think a person scraping some skin off me should be murder? I never said it didn't violate bodily autonomy did I? Infact, I said it should be considered like rape or assault which are both crimes against bodily autonomy if our view is the fetus is just cells. That is why I am asking you what person is murdered. If it is a clump if cells, then we have no person or murder victim do we? So you bet your buttocks it matters whether it is a person or just cells.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 10/17/18 5:58:35 PM #261:	It doesnt matter at all in this case. Youve just run out of arguments so you want to be disingenuous with a bunch of bad gotcha questions. --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:910701207] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote>It doesnt matter at all in this case. Youve just run out of arguments so you want to be disingenuous with a bunch of bad gotcha questions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 10/17/18 6:01:33 PM #262:	King_Hellebuyck posted... It doesnt matter at all in this case. Youve just run out of arguments so you want to be disingenuous with a bunch of bad gotcha questions. How is asking who is murdered a gotcha question when the man was charged with murder? --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:910701347] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>It doesnt matter at all in this case. Youve just run out of arguments so you want to be disingenuous with a bunch of bad gotcha questions.</quote> How is asking who is murdered a gotcha question when the man was charged with murder?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
P4wn4g3 10/17/18 6:03:01 PM #263:	This topic hasn't aged well. --- 7D ChessMaster of Dark Aether https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/851-dark-aether <cite>P4wn4g3 posted [p:910701417] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote>This topic hasn't aged well.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 10/17/18 6:03:10 PM #264:	darkphoenix181 posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... It doesnt matter at all in this case. Youve just run out of arguments so you want to be disingenuous with a bunch of bad gotcha questions. How is asking who is murdered a gotcha question when the man was charged with murder? You do know that attempted murder is not the same as murder. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:910701429] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>It doesnt matter at all in this case. Youve just run out of arguments so you want to be disingenuous with a bunch of bad gotcha questions.</quote> How is asking who is murdered a gotcha question when the man was charged with murder?</quote> You do know that attempted murder is not the same as murder.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YUHH 10/17/18 6:03:20 PM #265:	darkphoenix181 posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... It doesnt matter at all in this case. Youve just run out of arguments so you want to be disingenuous with a bunch of bad gotcha questions. How is asking who is murdered a gotcha question when the man was charged with murder? You've been told numerous times why its considered a murder in a very specific set of circumstances. You're being dense for the sake of it. --- https://i.imgtc.com/jUodQdE.jpg Barbecue confederate flags over spare time <cite>YUHH posted [p:910701442] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>It doesnt matter at all in this case. Youve just run out of arguments so you want to be disingenuous with a bunch of bad gotcha questions.</quote> How is asking who is murdered a gotcha question when the man was charged with murder?</quote> You've been told numerous times why its considered a murder in a very specific set of circumstances. You're being dense for the sake of it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 10/17/18 6:04:53 PM #267:	darkphoenix181 posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... It doesnt matter at all in this case. Youve just run out of arguments so you want to be disingenuous with a bunch of bad gotcha questions. How is asking who is murdered a gotcha question when the man was charged with murder? Ok bud have fun in your infinite loop --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:910701515] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>It doesnt matter at all in this case. Youve just run out of arguments so you want to be disingenuous with a bunch of bad gotcha questions.</quote> How is asking who is murdered a gotcha question when the man was charged with murder?</quote> Ok bud have fun in your infinite loop</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordMarshal 10/17/18 6:10:15 PM #268:	So killing in self defense is just murder. --- There can be only one. <cite>LordMarshal posted [p:910701780] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote>So killing in self defense is just murder.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 10/17/18 6:11:47 PM #269:	King_Hellebuyck posted... darkphoenix181 posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... It doesnt matter at all in this case. Youve just run out of arguments so you want to be disingenuous with a bunch of bad gotcha questions. How is asking who is murdered a gotcha question when the man was charged with murder? Ok bud have fun in your infinite loop This isn't an infinite loop. You either say that a baby child was murdered or that no one was murdered. Why don't you want to say a baby child was murdered? Because that means it wasn't a clump if cells and becomes problematic since actually biologically it was...a clump of cells. Why don't you want to say no one was murdered and he violated her body akin to rape or assault? I literally don't know because what is wrong with this view? It is consistent and logical. Do you have an issue with this option? --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:910701858] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>It doesnt matter at all in this case. Youve just run out of arguments so you want to be disingenuous with a bunch of bad gotcha questions.</quote> How is asking who is murdered a gotcha question when the man was charged with murder?</quote> Ok bud have fun in your infinite loop</quote> This isn't an infinite loop. You either say that a baby child was murdered or that no one was murdered. Why don't you want to say a baby child was murdered? Because that means it wasn't a clump if cells and becomes problematic since actually biologically it was...a clump of cells. Why don't you want to say no one was murdered and he violated her body akin to rape or assault? I literally don't know because what is wrong with this view? It is consistent and logical. Do you have an issue with this option?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordMarshal 10/17/18 6:13:29 PM #270:	Abortion is legal murder of a fetus. Stop looping. --- There can be only one. <cite>LordMarshal posted [p:910701951] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote>Abortion is legal murder of a fetus. Stop looping.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarkTransient 10/17/18 6:14:40 PM #271:	LordMarshal posted... Abortion is legal murder of a fetus. Stop looping. Legal killing. Murder, as a legal term, means whatever the law says it does. Killing is killing either way. --- Proud to be part of the 1% of society that's smart enough to realise Australia is not real.* <cite>DarkTransient posted [p:910702015] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordMarshal posted...</cite> <quote>Abortion is legal murder of a fetus. Stop looping.</quote> Legal killing*. Murder, as a legal term, means whatever the law says it does. Killing is killing either way.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 10/17/18 6:14:50 PM #272:	I understand nuance I swear! repeatedly makes posts with no understanding of nuance Im not being dense! repeatedly refuses to understand what everyone is saying Im not on an infinite loop! makes the same posts 20 times --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:910702022] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote>I understand nuance I swear! repeatedly makes posts with no understanding of nuance Im not being dense! repeatedly refuses to understand what everyone is saying Im not on an infinite loop! makes the same posts 20 times</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 10/17/18 6:14:58 PM #273:	LordMarshal posted... Abortion is legal murder of a fetus. Stop looping. I said in a previous post that is a logical and consistent stance. The one I don't see logical is the one Hellebuck is arguing where it magically is cells or is a baby. --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:910702032] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordMarshal posted...</cite> <quote>Abortion is legal murder of a fetus. Stop looping.</quote> I said in a previous post that is a logical and consistent stance. The one I don't see logical is the one Hellebuck is arguing where it magically is cells or is a baby.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordMarshal 10/17/18 6:15:26 PM #274:	DarkTransient posted... LordMarshal posted... Abortion is legal murder of a fetus. Stop looping. Legal killing. Murder, as a legal term, means whatever the law says it does. Killing is killing either way. Ok. But one is legal and ones not. Thats the difference. --- There can be only one. <cite>LordMarshal posted [p:910702056] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote><cite>DarkTransient posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordMarshal posted...</cite> <quote>Abortion is legal murder of a fetus. Stop looping.</quote> Legal killing. Murder, as a legal term, means whatever the law says it does. Killing is killing either way.</quote> Ok. But one is legal and ones not. Thats the difference.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 10/17/18 6:15:27 PM #275:	darkphoenix181 posted... LordMarshal posted... Abortion is legal murder of a fetus. Stop looping. I said in a previous post that is a logical and consistent stance. The one I don't see logical is the one Hellebuck is arguing where it magically is cells or is a baby. King_Hellebuyck posted... It doesnt matter at all in this case. Youve just run out of arguments so you want to be disingenuous with a bunch of bad gotcha questions. --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:910702057] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordMarshal posted...</cite> <quote>Abortion is legal murder of a fetus. Stop looping.</quote> I said in a previous post that is a logical and consistent stance. The one I don't see logical is the one Hellebuck is arguing where it magically is cells or is a baby.</quote> <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>It doesnt matter at all in this case. Youve just run out of arguments so you want to be disingenuous with a bunch of bad gotcha questions.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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LordMarshal 10/17/18 6:16:45 PM #277:	darkphoenix181 posted... LordMarshal posted... Abortion is legal murder of a fetus. Stop looping. I said in a previous post that is a logical and consistent stance. The one I don't see logical is the one Hellebuck is arguing where it magically is cells or is a baby. That doesnt matter. What matters is a guy essentially aborting a womans unborn child will be classified under law as murder. --- There can be only one. <cite>LordMarshal posted [p:910702115] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordMarshal posted...</cite> <quote>Abortion is legal murder of a fetus. Stop looping.</quote> I said in a previous post that is a logical and consistent stance. The one I don't see logical is the one Hellebuck is arguing where it magically is cells or is a baby.</quote> That doesnt matter. What matters is a guy essentially aborting a womans unborn child will be classified under law as murder.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 10/17/18 6:17:10 PM #278:	King_Hellebuyck posted... I understand nuance I swear! repeatedly makes posts with no understanding of nuance Im not being dense! repeatedly refuses to understand what everyone is saying Im not on an infinite loop! makes the same posts 20 times My last post was not the same post. I asked you why you have an issue with the idea that it is not murder and the man is guilty of rape or assault. I mean, don't call people dense when you only argument is to refuse to answer questions clarifying your position. That is quite ironic. --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:910702132] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>I understand nuance I swear! repeatedly makes posts with no understanding of nuance Im not being dense! repeatedly refuses to understand what everyone is saying Im not on an infinite loop! makes the same posts 20 times</quote> My last post was not the same post. I asked you why you have an issue with the idea that it is not murder and the man is guilty of rape or assault. I mean, don't call people dense when you only argument is to refuse to answer questions clarifying your position. That is quite ironic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordMarshal 10/17/18 6:19:40 PM #279:	darkphoenix181 posted... King_Hellebuyck posted... I understand nuance I swear! repeatedly makes posts with no understanding of nuance Im not being dense! repeatedly refuses to understand what everyone is saying Im not on an infinite loop! makes the same posts 20 times My last post was not the same post. I asked you why you have an issue with the idea that it is not murder and the man is guilty of rape or assault. I mean, don't call people dense when you only argument is to refuse to answer questions clarifying your position. That is quite ironic. But the difference is what its classified by law. Regardless if the fetus is considered a person or not, if a man forces an abortion, itll be classified as murder. --- There can be only one. <cite>LordMarshal posted [p:910702245] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>I understand nuance I swear! repeatedly makes posts with no understanding of nuance Im not being dense! repeatedly refuses to understand what everyone is saying Im not on an infinite loop! makes the same posts 20 times</quote> My last post was not the same post. I asked you why you have an issue with the idea that it is not murder and the man is guilty of rape or assault. I mean, don't call people dense when you only argument is to refuse to answer questions clarifying your position. That is quite ironic.</quote> But the difference is what its classified by law. Regardless if the fetus is considered a person or not, if a man forces an abortion, itll be classified as murder.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 10/17/18 6:19:48 PM #280:	LordMarshal posted... darkphoenix181 posted... LordMarshal posted... Abortion is legal murder of a fetus. Stop looping. I said in a previous post that is a logical and consistent stance. The one I don't see logical is the one Hellebuck is arguing where it magically is cells or is a baby. That doesnt matter. What matters is a guy essentially aborting a womans unborn child will be classified under law as murder. It does matter. Laws can change especially when science is concerned. If the law says he is aborting an unborn child but that factually is not what is happening, why should said law stay the same? --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:910702249] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordMarshal posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordMarshal posted...</cite> <quote>Abortion is legal murder of a fetus. Stop looping.</quote> I said in a previous post that is a logical and consistent stance. The one I don't see logical is the one Hellebuck is arguing where it magically is cells or is a baby.</quote> That doesnt matter. What matters is a guy essentially aborting a womans unborn child will be classified under law as murder.</quote> It does matter. Laws can change especially when science is concerned. If the law says he is aborting an unborn child but that factually is not what is happening, why should said law stay the same?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordMarshal 10/17/18 6:21:05 PM #281:	darkphoenix181 posted... LordMarshal posted... darkphoenix181 posted... LordMarshal posted... Abortion is legal murder of a fetus. Stop looping. I said in a previous post that is a logical and consistent stance. The one I don't see logical is the one Hellebuck is arguing where it magically is cells or is a baby. That doesnt matter. What matters is a guy essentially aborting a womans unborn child will be classified under law as murder. It does matter. Laws can change especially when science is concerned. If the law says he is aborting an unborn child but that factually is not what is happening, why should said law stay the same? Then go change the law. Thats current law. Or get a lawyer to argue your defense and hope the jury agrees. --- There can be only one. <cite>LordMarshal posted [p:910702316] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordMarshal posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordMarshal posted...</cite> <quote>Abortion is legal murder of a fetus. Stop looping.</quote> I said in a previous post that is a logical and consistent stance. The one I don't see logical is the one Hellebuck is arguing where it magically is cells or is a baby.</quote> That doesnt matter. What matters is a guy essentially aborting a womans unborn child will be classified under law as murder.</quote> It does matter. Laws can change especially when science is concerned. If the law says he is aborting an unborn child but that factually is not what is happening, why should said law stay the same?</quote> Then go change the law. Thats current law. Or get a lawyer to argue your defense and hope the jury agrees.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 10/17/18 6:23:47 PM #282:	LordMarshal posted... darkphoenix181 posted... LordMarshal posted... darkphoenix181 posted... LordMarshal posted... Abortion is legal murder of a fetus. Stop looping. I said in a previous post that is a logical and consistent stance. The one I don't see logical is the one Hellebuck is arguing where it magically is cells or is a baby. That doesnt matter. What matters is a guy essentially aborting a womans unborn child will be classified under law as murder. It does matter. Laws can change especially when science is concerned. If the law says he is aborting an unborn child but that factually is not what is happening, why should said law stay the same? Then go change the law. Thats current law. Or get a lawyer to argue your defense and hope the jury agrees. Kinda hard to change the law when people argue what is law ursurps logic. "Yes it is a clump of cells but it is murder" "Why? How?" "Because!" --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:910702454] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordMarshal posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordMarshal posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordMarshal posted...</cite> <quote>Abortion is legal murder of a fetus. Stop looping.</quote> I said in a previous post that is a logical and consistent stance. The one I don't see logical is the one Hellebuck is arguing where it magically is cells or is a baby.</quote> That doesnt matter. What matters is a guy essentially aborting a womans unborn child will be classified under law as murder.</quote> It does matter. Laws can change especially when science is concerned. If the law says he is aborting an unborn child but that factually is not what is happening, why should said law stay the same?</quote> Then go change the law. Thats current law. Or get a lawyer to argue your defense and hope the jury agrees.</quote> Kinda hard to change the law when people argue what is law ursurps logic. "Yes it is a clump of cells but it is murder" "Why? How?" "Because!"</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordMarshal 10/17/18 6:24:35 PM #283:	darkphoenix181 posted... LordMarshal posted... darkphoenix181 posted... LordMarshal posted... darkphoenix181 posted... LordMarshal posted... Abortion is legal murder of a fetus. Stop looping. I said in a previous post that is a logical and consistent stance. The one I don't see logical is the one Hellebuck is arguing where it magically is cells or is a baby. That doesnt matter. What matters is a guy essentially aborting a womans unborn child will be classified under law as murder. It does matter. Laws can change especially when science is concerned. If the law says he is aborting an unborn child but that factually is not what is happening, why should said law stay the same? Then go change the law. Thats current law. Or get a lawyer to argue your defense and hope the jury agrees. Kinda hard to change the law when people argue what is law ursurps logic. "Yes it is a clump of cells but it is murder" "Why? How?" "Because!" We vote law. Thats how it works. And ok, its murdering a clump of cells that was going to be a person if not but for your actions. --- There can be only one. <cite>LordMarshal posted [p:910702497] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordMarshal posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordMarshal posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordMarshal posted...</cite> <quote>Abortion is legal murder of a fetus. Stop looping.</quote> I said in a previous post that is a logical and consistent stance. The one I don't see logical is the one Hellebuck is arguing where it magically is cells or is a baby.</quote> That doesnt matter. What matters is a guy essentially aborting a womans unborn child will be classified under law as murder.</quote> It does matter. Laws can change especially when science is concerned. If the law says he is aborting an unborn child but that factually is not what is happening, why should said law stay the same?</quote> Then go change the law. Thats current law. Or get a lawyer to argue your defense and hope the jury agrees.</quote> Kinda hard to change the law when people argue what is law ursurps logic. "Yes it is a clump of cells but it is murder" "Why? How?" "Because!"</quote> We vote law. Thats how it works. And ok, its murdering a clump of cells that was going to be a person if not but for your actions.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 10/17/18 6:27:49 PM #284:	LordMarshal posted... darkphoenix181 posted... LordMarshal posted... darkphoenix181 posted... LordMarshal posted... darkphoenix181 posted... LordMarshal posted... Abortion is legal murder of a fetus. Stop looping. I said in a previous post that is a logical and consistent stance. The one I don't see logical is the one Hellebuck is arguing where it magically is cells or is a baby. That doesnt matter. What matters is a guy essentially aborting a womans unborn child will be classified under law as murder. It does matter. Laws can change especially when science is concerned. If the law says he is aborting an unborn child but that factually is not what is happening, why should said law stay the same? Then go change the law. Thats current law. Or get a lawyer to argue your defense and hope the jury agrees. Kinda hard to change the law when people argue what is law ursurps logic. "Yes it is a clump of cells but it is murder" "Why? How?" "Because!" We vote law. Thats how it works. Well yes, I expect that this law exists quite largely because of pro-lifers who vote. But it is weird to see the idea that the fetus is just cells calling this murder because of a heavily influenced pro-life law and using that law as the evidence of why it is murder. --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:910702678] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordMarshal posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordMarshal posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordMarshal posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordMarshal posted...</cite> <quote>Abortion is legal murder of a fetus. Stop looping.</quote> I said in a previous post that is a logical and consistent stance. The one I don't see logical is the one Hellebuck is arguing where it magically is cells or is a baby.</quote> That doesnt matter. What matters is a guy essentially aborting a womans unborn child will be classified under law as murder.</quote> It does matter. Laws can change especially when science is concerned. If the law says he is aborting an unborn child but that factually is not what is happening, why should said law stay the same?</quote> Then go change the law. Thats current law. Or get a lawyer to argue your defense and hope the jury agrees.</quote> Kinda hard to change the law when people argue what is law ursurps logic. "Yes it is a clump of cells but it is murder" "Why? How?" "Because!"</quote> We vote law. Thats how it works.</quote> Well yes, I expect that this law exists quite largely because of pro-lifers who vote. But it is weird to see the idea that the fetus is just cells calling this murder because of a heavily influenced pro-life law and using that law as the evidence of why it is murder.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hellebuyck 10/17/18 6:28:43 PM #285:	darkphoenix181 posted... LordMarshal posted... darkphoenix181 posted... LordMarshal posted... darkphoenix181 posted... LordMarshal posted... Abortion is legal murder of a fetus. Stop looping. I said in a previous post that is a logical and consistent stance. The one I don't see logical is the one Hellebuck is arguing where it magically is cells or is a baby. That doesnt matter. What matters is a guy essentially aborting a womans unborn child will be classified under law as murder. It does matter. Laws can change especially when science is concerned. If the law says he is aborting an unborn child but that factually is not what is happening, why should said law stay the same? Then go change the law. Thats current law. Or get a lawyer to argue your defense and hope the jury agrees. Kinda hard to change the law when people argue what is law ursurps logic. "Yes it is a clump of cells but it is murder" "Why? How?" "Because!" I already explained this to you --- All Hail King Connor! Official Connor Hellebuyck fanboy <cite>King_Hellebuyck posted [p:910702722] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordMarshal posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordMarshal posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordMarshal posted...</cite> <quote>Abortion is legal murder of a fetus. Stop looping.</quote> I said in a previous post that is a logical and consistent stance. The one I don't see logical is the one Hellebuck is arguing where it magically is cells or is a baby.</quote> That doesnt matter. What matters is a guy essentially aborting a womans unborn child will be classified under law as murder.</quote> It does matter. Laws can change especially when science is concerned. If the law says he is aborting an unborn child but that factually is not what is happening, why should said law stay the same?</quote> Then go change the law. Thats current law. Or get a lawyer to argue your defense and hope the jury agrees.</quote> Kinda hard to change the law when people argue what is law ursurps logic. "Yes it is a clump of cells but it is murder" "Why? How?" "Because!"</quote> I already explained this to you</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordMarshal 10/17/18 6:32:19 PM #286:	I didnt murder you, i only removed your breaks. I shouldnt be charged with murder because you couldnt break and wrecked. Just charge me with destruction of property. --- There can be only one. <cite>LordMarshal posted [p:910702920] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote>I didnt murder you, i only removed your breaks. I shouldnt be charged with murder because you couldnt break and wrecked. Just charge me with destruction of property.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 10/17/18 6:34:15 PM #287:	King_Hellebuyck posted... darkphoenix181 posted... LordMarshal posted... darkphoenix181 posted... LordMarshal posted... darkphoenix181 posted... LordMarshal posted... Abortion is legal murder of a fetus. Stop looping. I said in a previous post that is a logical and consistent stance. The one I don't see logical is the one Hellebuck is arguing where it magically is cells or is a baby. That doesnt matter. What matters is a guy essentially aborting a womans unborn child will be classified under law as murder. It does matter. Laws can change especially when science is concerned. If the law says he is aborting an unborn child but that factually is not what is happening, why should said law stay the same? Then go change the law. Thats current law. Or get a lawyer to argue your defense and hope the jury agrees. Kinda hard to change the law when people argue what is law ursurps logic. "Yes it is a clump of cells but it is murder" "Why? How?" "Because!" I already explained this to you You can believe what you want to. If only you could articulate what that was. --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:910703029] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordMarshal posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordMarshal posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordMarshal posted...</cite> <quote>Abortion is legal murder of a fetus. Stop looping.</quote> I said in a previous post that is a logical and consistent stance. The one I don't see logical is the one Hellebuck is arguing where it magically is cells or is a baby.</quote> That doesnt matter. What matters is a guy essentially aborting a womans unborn child will be classified under law as murder.</quote> It does matter. Laws can change especially when science is concerned. If the law says he is aborting an unborn child but that factually is not what is happening, why should said law stay the same?</quote> Then go change the law. Thats current law. Or get a lawyer to argue your defense and hope the jury agrees.</quote> Kinda hard to change the law when people argue what is law ursurps logic. "Yes it is a clump of cells but it is murder" "Why? How?" "Because!"</quote> I already explained this to you</quote> You can believe what you want to. If only you could articulate what that was.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 10/17/18 6:35:36 PM #288:	LordMarshal posted... I didnt murder you, i only removed your breaks. I shouldnt be charged with murder because you couldnt break and wrecked. Just charge me with destruction of property. Do you believe a fetus is a person or a clump of cells? I suspect from this post you are pro-life? --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:910703085] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordMarshal posted...</cite> <quote>I didnt murder you, i only removed your breaks. I shouldnt be charged with murder because you couldnt break and wrecked. Just charge me with destruction of property.</quote> Do you believe a fetus is a person or a clump of cells? I suspect from this post you are pro-life?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LordMarshal 10/17/18 6:38:51 PM #289:	darkphoenix181 posted... LordMarshal posted... I didnt murder you, i only removed your breaks. I shouldnt be charged with murder because you couldnt break and wrecked. Just charge me with destruction of property. Do you believe a fetus is a person or a clump of cells? I suspect from this post you are pro-life? Its a clump of cells. But i agree with classifying it as murder. We charge TONS of minors as adults based on circumstance and theyre are literally not adults but i usually agree with that as well. --- There can be only one. <cite>LordMarshal posted [p:910703274] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordMarshal posted...</cite> <quote>I didnt murder you, i only removed your breaks. I shouldnt be charged with murder because you couldnt break and wrecked. Just charge me with destruction of property.</quote> Do you believe a fetus is a person or a clump of cells? I suspect from this post you are pro-life?</quote> Its a clump of cells. But i agree with classifying it as murder. We charge TONS of minors as adults based on circumstance and theyre are literally not adults but i usually agree with that as well.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 10/17/18 6:45:19 PM #290:	LordMarshal posted... darkphoenix181 posted... LordMarshal posted... I didnt murder you, i only removed your breaks. I shouldnt be charged with murder because you couldnt break and wrecked. Just charge me with destruction of property. Do you believe a fetus is a person or a clump of cells? I suspect from this post you are pro-life? Its a clump of cells. But i agree with classifying it as murder. We charge TONS of minors as adults based on circumstance and theyre are literally not adults but i usually agree with that as well. Interesting. Your car illustration is literally what a prolifer would use to argue abortion is murder. --- chill02 to me: you are beautiful <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:910703666] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote><cite>LordMarshal posted...</cite> <quote><cite>darkphoenix181 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LordMarshal posted...</cite> <quote>I didnt murder you, i only removed your breaks. I shouldnt be charged with murder because you couldnt break and wrecked. Just charge me with destruction of property.</quote> Do you believe a fetus is a person or a clump of cells? I suspect from this post you are pro-life?</quote> Its a clump of cells. But i agree with classifying it as murder. We charge TONS of minors as adults based on circumstance and theyre are literally not adults but i usually agree with that as well.</quote> Interesting. Your car illustration is literally what a prolifer would use to argue abortion is murder.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rob Cesternino 10/17/18 8:37:24 PM #291:	tag --- Stop asking me if I'm Jessica Simpson. Jewish girls Survivor is the greatest show EVER. are hawt <cite>Rob Cesternino posted [p:910709314] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote>tag</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BarneyBosco 10/17/18 11:01:51 PM #292:	King_Hellebuyck posted... Anyone peddling the father should be able to avoid all responsibility if he wants an abortion needs to remember that the dude had the choice to bust inside or not. He made that choice with his body. As a result, the woman can make a choice with her body. Stop trying to find ways to punish women for having sex. So we punish them equally if they bring unwanted burdens on society. They both go to prison and let the society paying for the children raise them. That should be terrifying to baby factories everywhere. --- http://celebmafia.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Ana-Ivanovic-5.jpg PSN J_Frost77 search my PSN to join the Divinity Original Sin Community <cite>BarneyBosco posted [p:910716241] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote><cite>King_Hellebuyck posted...</cite> <quote>Anyone peddling the father should be able to avoid all responsibility if he wants an abortion needs to remember that the dude had the choice to bust inside or not. He made that choice with his body. As a result, the woman can make a choice with her body. Stop trying to find ways to punish women for having sex.</quote> So we punish them equally if they bring unwanted burdens on society. They both go to prison and let the society paying for the children raise them. That should be terrifying to baby factories everywhere.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 10/17/18 11:38:30 PM #293:	The questions of whether potential parents should be afforded the opportunity to relinquish parental rights and whether abortion should be permissible are completely separate. And I think the answer to both should be yes. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:910717964] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote>The questions of whether potential parents should be afforded the opportunity to relinquish parental rights and whether abortion should be permissible are completely separate. And I think the answer to both should be yes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BarneyBosco 10/17/18 11:50:51 PM #294:	Dragonblade01 posted... The questions of whether potential parents should be afforded the opportunity to relinquish parental rights and whether abortion should be permissible are completely separate. And I think the answer to both should be yes. Great. Who pays for the relinquished child? Keep in mind not many people willingly adopt cute cats let alone ghetto children. --- http://celebmafia.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Ana-Ivanovic-5.jpg PSN J_Frost77 search my PSN to join the Divinity Original Sin Community <cite>BarneyBosco posted [p:910718518] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>The questions of whether potential parents should be afforded the opportunity to relinquish parental rights and whether abortion should be permissible are completely separate. And I think the answer to both should be yes.</quote> Great. Who pays for the relinquished child? Keep in mind not many people willingly adopt cute cats let alone ghetto children.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 10/17/18 11:55:28 PM #295:	BarneyBosco posted... Dragonblade01 posted... The questions of whether potential parents should be afforded the opportunity to relinquish parental rights and whether abortion should be permissible are completely separate. And I think the answer to both should be yes. Great. Who pays for the relinquished child? Keep in mind not many people willingly adopt cute cats let alone ghetto children. That's something that would need to be worked out. It may even prove to be infeasible at the moment. Unfortunately, I don't have all the answers. However, assuming it's achievable, I think a society of willing parents would be better than a society of unwilling parents. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:910718714] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote><cite>BarneyBosco posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>The questions of whether potential parents should be afforded the opportunity to relinquish parental rights and whether abortion should be permissible are completely separate. And I think the answer to both should be yes.</quote> Great. Who pays for the relinquished child? Keep in mind not many people willingly adopt cute cats let alone ghetto children.</quote> That's something that would need to be worked out. It may even prove to be infeasible at the moment. Unfortunately, I don't have all the answers. However, assuming it's achievable, I think a society of willing parents would be better than a society of unwilling parents.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BarneyBosco 10/18/18 12:18:42 AM #296:	Dragonblade01 posted... BarneyBosco posted... Dragonblade01 posted... The questions of whether potential parents should be afforded the opportunity to relinquish parental rights and whether abortion should be permissible are completely separate. And I think the answer to both should be yes. Great. Who pays for the relinquished child? Keep in mind not many people willingly adopt cute cats let alone ghetto children. That's something that would need to be worked out. It may even prove to be infeasible at the moment. Unfortunately, I don't have all the answers. However, assuming it's achievable, I think a society of willing parents would be better than a society of unwilling parents. Its not infeasible, its elementary. You fuck up and you're responsible, equally. Parents are great when they live and work together with their children. --- http://celebmafia.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Ana-Ivanovic-5.jpg PSN J_Frost77 search my PSN to join the Divinity Original Sin Community <cite>BarneyBosco posted [p:910719639] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BarneyBosco posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>The questions of whether potential parents should be afforded the opportunity to relinquish parental rights and whether abortion should be permissible are completely separate. And I think the answer to both should be yes.</quote> Great. Who pays for the relinquished child? Keep in mind not many people willingly adopt cute cats let alone ghetto children.</quote> That's something that would need to be worked out. It may even prove to be infeasible at the moment. Unfortunately, I don't have all the answers. However, assuming it's achievable, I think a society of willing parents would be better than a society of unwilling parents.</quote> Its not infeasible, its elementary. You fuck up and you're responsible, equally. Parents are great when they live and work together with their children.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 10/18/18 12:46:13 AM #297:	BarneyBosco posted... Dragonblade01 posted... BarneyBosco posted... Dragonblade01 posted... The questions of whether potential parents should be afforded the opportunity to relinquish parental rights and whether abortion should be permissible are completely separate. And I think the answer to both should be yes. Great. Who pays for the relinquished child? Keep in mind not many people willingly adopt cute cats let alone ghetto children. That's something that would need to be worked out. It may even prove to be infeasible at the moment. Unfortunately, I don't have all the answers. However, assuming it's achievable, I think a society of willing parents would be better than a society of unwilling parents. Its not infeasible, its elementary. You fuck up and you're responsible, equally. Parents are great when they live and work together with their children. That has nothing to do with the question of whether expecting parents should have the opportunity to relinquish parental rights. It also has nothing to do with how such a system should be designed, what it's limits would be, any necessary compromises, etc. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:910720658] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote><cite>BarneyBosco posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BarneyBosco posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote>The questions of whether potential parents should be afforded the opportunity to relinquish parental rights and whether abortion should be permissible are completely separate. And I think the answer to both should be yes.</quote> Great. Who pays for the relinquished child? Keep in mind not many people willingly adopt cute cats let alone ghetto children.</quote> That's something that would need to be worked out. It may even prove to be infeasible at the moment. Unfortunately, I don't have all the answers. However, assuming it's achievable, I think a society of willing parents would be better than a society of unwilling parents.</quote> Its not infeasible, its elementary. You fuck up and you're responsible, equally. Parents are great when they live and work together with their children.</quote> That has nothing to do with the question of whether expecting parents should have the opportunity to relinquish parental rights. It also has nothing to do with how such a system should be designed, what it's limits would be, any necessary compromises, etc.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MuayThai85 10/19/18 5:28:57 AM #298:	Bump --- How can one person post so much stupid s***? <cite>MuayThai85 posted [p:910786166] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote>Bump</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 10/19/18 5:34:16 AM #299:	@MuayThai85 if you're serious with this topic title, I've lost some respect for you. I know you've been around here for awhile and I know you're not dumb. The discussion this encourages is beneath you, or rather, I feel it's beneath you. --- "I don't think anyone seriously thinks that Trump supporters orgasm when they see racism in the news." - Me, reassuring Ammonitida <cite>Kineth posted [p:910786254] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote>@MuayThai85 if you're serious with this topic title, I've lost some respect for you. I know you've been around here for awhile and I know you're not dumb. The discussion this encourages is beneath you, or rather, I feel it's beneath you.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jaghave 10/19/18 5:36:29 AM #300:	Yea the murdering of children has been pretty inconsistent in the west. Which is why giving anyone the ability to murder someone due to inconvience should be outlawed --- For those who say I'm a gimmick https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/261-politics/64183623 been going for 6 years strong <cite>Jaghave posted [p:910786299] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote>Yea the murdering of children has been pretty inconsistent in the west. Which is why giving anyone the ability to murder someone due to inconvience should be outlawed</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 10/19/18 5:38:04 AM #301:	Jaghave posted... Yea the murdering of children has been pretty inconsistent in the west. Which is why giving anyone the ability to murder someone due to inconvience should be outlawed That's a horrible way to phrase a law. Having a life threatening pregnancy could be described as inconvenient and the precedent of such legal language would be devastating. --- "I don't think anyone seriously thinks that Trump supporters orgasm when they see racism in the news." - Me, reassuring Ammonitida <cite>Kineth posted [p:910786323] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote><cite>Jaghave posted...</cite> <quote>Yea the murdering of children has been pretty inconsistent in the west. Which is why giving anyone the ability to murder someone due to inconvience should be outlawed</quote> That's a horrible way to phrase a law. Having a life threatening pregnancy could be described as inconvenient and the precedent of such legal language would be devastating.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MuayThai85 10/19/18 5:39:43 AM #302:	Kineth posted... @MuayThai85 if you're serious with this topic title, I've lost some respect for you. I know you've been around here for awhile and I know you're not dumb. The discussion this encourages is beneath you, or rather, I feel it's beneath you. My problem is with what he was charged with. I fully believe he deserves jail time, I however don't think it should be for attempted murder when the whole predication of abortion is based on the fact that the fetus isn't a person and you can't murder something that isn't a human. --- How can one person post so much stupid s***? <cite>MuayThai85 posted [p:910786346] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>@MuayThai85 if you're serious with this topic title, I've lost some respect for you. I know you've been around here for awhile and I know you're not dumb. The discussion this encourages is beneath you, or rather, I feel it's beneath you.</quote> My problem is with what he was charged with. I fully believe he deserves jail time, I however don't think it should be for attempted murder when the whole predication of abortion is based on the fact that the fetus isn't a person and you can't murder something that isn't a human.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 10/19/18 5:42:15 AM #303:	MuayThai85 posted... Kineth posted... @ MuayThai85 if you're serious with this topic title, I've lost some respect for you. I know you've been around here for awhile and I know you're not dumb. The discussion this encourages is beneath you, or rather, I feel it's beneath you. My problem is with what he was charged with. I fully believe he deserves jail time, I however don't think it should be for attempted murder when the whole predication of abortion is based on the fact that the fetus isn't a person and you can't murder something that is a human. That's fair if they're saying that he tried to murder the fetus instead of saying he was trying to murder her. --- "I don't think anyone seriously thinks that Trump supporters orgasm when they see racism in the news." - Me, reassuring Ammonitida <cite>Kineth posted [p:910786386] in Woman: Has... [t:77104705]...</cite> <quote><cite>MuayThai85 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote>@ MuayThai85 if you're serious with this topic title, I've lost some respect for you. I know you've been around here for awhile and I know you're not dumb. The discussion this encourages is beneath you, or rather, I feel it's beneath you.</quote> My problem is with what he was charged with. I fully believe he deserves jail time, I however don't think it should be for attempted murder when the whole predication of abortion is based on the fact that the fetus isn't a person and you can't murder something that is a human.</quote> That's fair if they're saying that he tried to murder the fetus instead of saying he was trying to murder her.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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