Current Events > had this hot girl DTF but fucked it up in an interesting way (my bad)

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so i'm in vegas for a week

i go to the club and see a hot latina girl sitting by herself looking sad in a super sexy black dress

i go to talk to her. she talks to me but isn't that into the conversation

i get the backstory: she came to vegas to hang out with her friends but they got into a big fight and so she went out by herself tonight

i talk to her more, win her over, eventually get her chasing after me, and physically escalating on me (dancing, grinding, lapdance, rubbing my thighs, making me finger her)

eventually she opens up a lot more, smiles, laughs and tells me how glad she is that she met me and how handsome i am

so now that i have her DTF thanks to some good understanding of attraction, i move her around the club a bit. i get a drink (she doesn't want one), we walk and talk more.

about an hourish into the interaction, this is normally the time i really start deep diving. i like to open with some lighter banter/get to know you stuff...but once the girl really likes me i want to start connecting on a deeper level. this means knowing everything about her (her family, day to day life, aspirations, etc). i'm not ashamed to say i've rarely slept with a girl without having this type of conversation to connect better. even on one night stands.

so i ask a simple test question "what do you think i do for a living?" she replies that "it's vegas, it doesn't matter". so i kind of get the hint that she doesn't want to talk about deeper things. i change the subject...but make a fatal mistake. i ask her something else kinda deep. eventually she reveals that she has a 10 year old daughter and goes on about her life a bit before ending with "so tonight and everything between us is just a lie".

we talk a couple more minutes but she's noticeably much more sad and then she says "i'd prefer to be alone now" and gets up and leaves. ouch...

so i actually read the situation correctly, but just adjusted to it really poorly. i've just never been in a situation before where a girl wanted to keep things that extremely superficial. usually by that point, a girl will want to tell me all those things. and once a girl is turned on enough (by environment or by me), feels like you know and understand her and she can tell you anything, and trusts you enough to do so...that is when a girl will sleep with you.

but wow i really fucked that up...she was really hot too, about an 8.5
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I miss when your stories were believable.
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Minute posted...

I miss when your stories were believable.

i've been getting better with girls as a result of doing this so long and really studying it, so my stories are a lot more advanced in terms of technical pick up game. sorry if you no longer find them relateable. but they are still real
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I don't think fucking up a one night stand by being a failure at basic social interactions is that interesting.
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No_U_L7 posted...

i talk to her more, win her over, eventually get her chasing after me

I love how fast you story goes from "she doesn't give a fuck" to "she wants me bad and is all over me" without any explanation on how you won her over, and still expect us to believe your fairy tale is true.
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stone posted...

No_U_L7 posted...

i talk to her more, win her over, eventually get her chasing after me

I love how fast you story goes from "she doesn't give a fuck" to "she wants me bad and is all over me" without any explanation on how you won her over, and still expect us to believe your fairy tale is true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUYQ2DMddYA" data-time="
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I hate when people i want to fuck trying to get to know me

stone posted...

No_U_L7 posted...

i talk to her more, win her over, eventually get her chasing after me

I love how fast you story goes from "she doesn't give a fuck" to "she wants me bad and is all over me" without any explanation on how you won her over, and still expect us to believe your fairy tale is true.

yeah, i'll admit i glossed over that part. because it gets extremely technical and will take quite a bit of time to type up (it goes into a lot of techniques which i would have to explain the background of, etc). i will type it up if you'll confirm you will read every word and provide your feedback.
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You think typing the details would take too long and yet took the time to type all the rest of that unbelievable story?
But yeah, we need more details.
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Minute posted...

I miss when your stories were believable.

So never?
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No_U_L7 posted...

stone posted...

No_U_L7 posted...

i talk to her more, win her over, eventually get her chasing after me

I love how fast you story goes from "she doesn't give a fuck" to "she wants me bad and is all over me" without any explanation on how you won her over, and still expect us to believe your fairy tale is true.

yeah, i'll admit i glossed over that part. because it gets extremely technical and will take quite a bit of time to type up (it goes into a lot of techniques which i would have to explain the background of, etc). i will type it up if you'll confirm you will read every word and provide your feedback.

...I absolutely will.
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stone posted...

You think typing the details would take too long and yet took the time to type all the rest of that unbelievable story?
But yeah, we need more details.

this typing is easy for me...it's just remembering an interaction. i don't think in extreme technical terms during the actual interaction, that stuff is deeply ingrained in me. but if you want the full technical breakdown, that requires me to really sit and think explain why i do specific things the way i do them.

Dblade3k posted...

...I absolutely will.

k if at least one person will read it and it will help them, i will type it up. check back here in 45 minutes (it wouldn't be too ridiculously long, but it will take a long time to type)
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You sound like a sociopath.
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No_U_L7 posted...

stone posted...

You think typing the details would take too long and yet took the time to type all the rest of that unbelievable story?
But yeah, we need more details.

this typing is easy for me...it's just remembering an interaction. i don't think in extreme technical terms during the actual interaction, that stuff is deeply ingrained in me. but if you want the full technical breakdown, that requires me to really sit and think explain why i do specific things the way i do them.

Dblade3k posted...

...I absolutely will.

k if at least one person will read it and it will help them, i will type it up. check back here in 45 minutes (it wouldn't be too ridiculously long, but it will take a long time to type)

I wouldn't miss that for the world.
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No_U_L7 posted...

that stuff is deeply ingrained in me

By "that stuff", you mean lying out of your ass? If so, I totally agree with you.
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Kavatar posted...

You sound like a sociopath.

stone posted...

No_U_L7 posted...

that stuff is deeply ingrained in me

By "that stuff", you mean lying out of your ass? If so, I totally agree with you.

Don't. Ruin. This. That is gonna be an incredible read...
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Dblade3k posted...

Kavatar posted...

You sound like a sociopath.

stone posted...

No_U_L7 posted...

that stuff is deeply ingrained in me

By "that stuff", you mean lying out of your ass? If so, I totally agree with you.

Don't. Ruin. This. That is gonna be an incredible read...

I agree, it will totally be incredible ;)
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Take a shot every time you read the word Kino and neg

Funkydog posted...

Minute posted...

I miss when your stories were believable.

So never?

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Background information/terms:
Attraction-In trying to build attraction with a girl, the first thing we must ask ourselves, is what exactly is attraction? In the simplest terms, it is the combination of comfort and value (see next terms)
Comfort-When a girl feels at ease with you, it is created when over time, you dont do anything weird or push anything further than what you can get away with (ie trying to kiss a girl before shes ready to kiss you destroys comfort)
Value-This is what draws a girl to you, things that make her think I slept with him for these reasons. There are many ways to have value, heres a few: being smart, being funny, and being good looking
What do girls really want in a partner-To put it simply, girls want the partner they dont feel they deserve but they feel like they earned. They want a guy that they feel is better than they are, but that they feel like they worked hard enough they should be able to have him. Or to put it another way, she wants a guy that has a ton of value but that shes put in the time to build up the comfort with.
Shit test-Random things girls will say that are intended to screen out non-confident men. IE, if you go say hi to a girl and she says no thanks without even looking at you, that is a shit test. Unconfident guys will leave and confident guys will persist. She just screened out unworthy sex partners in less than a second! Girls will do this almost subconsciously
Frame-The lens from which the interaction is viewed. If you think you need to impress a girl to win her over, that is your frame. My frame, and the correct one? I am the prize, the girl should be winning me over and should chase after me
Narrative-The story of the night of how you two met, got to know each other and hooked up. This is essentially what shell tell her friends about what happened between the two of you. If something in the narrative wouldnt make her look good to her friends, its probably not going to happen. Luckily for you, you can control the narrative if you know what youre doing
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So at the start of the interaction, she was the first girl I talked to right after I got into the clubI really didnt want to overthink it. So I walked by her, saw her staring into the middle distance, stopped and said to her the first things that popped into my head: wow, your eyes are like lazers, I can practically feel them burning into me as I walked by. She said oh, sorry Im just really distracted. Not much to work with, but unlike most guys I know how to keep the conversation going. I say you should never apologize for intensity. Sometimes I do the same thing, its called the 1,000 yard stare, usually seen in people with PTSDand those of us with too much intensity. I prodded in the right direction and she opens up a bit more and says yeah, I have this whole thing going on with my friends right now. A little too early to prod further, but I make a mental note Ill want those details later. Were past the opening sequence now and are decently locked into conversation, so as good a time as any to introduce ourselves and exchange names. I always make a point to exchange names early. Names have a lot of poweronce you know someones name they are no longer a stranger. She hasnt opened up enough yet for me to sit down without it being awkward (it would only be slightly awkward, but every little bit matters). I would sit down if she started asking me questions, flirting with me or asked me to sit down. At any of those points it becomes too awkward to keep standing. I want a little bit more details about what brings her to vegas, as that can provide valuable information (business trip, bachelorette party, etc would all have different meanings). So she tells me to sit down and then tells me about how she came out here with friends, but they all got into a big fight so she came out alone tonight. Excellent, as I mentally noted earlier I needed all that info. Now I know her boyfriend wasnt just buying them drinks and will come over and get upset, I know why shes in a downer mood, etc.
So, so far, all Ive done is started the interaction, exchanged names and gotten some logisticsall very surface stuff but very important. And just as important, I havent done anything wrong.
But now I see a chance to kind of transfer the narrative of the conversation. I want the narrative of the conversation to be about her and me, not us talking about how her friends got into the fight. In fact, now that I know this, I realize why she came out tonightso she can meet a cool good looking guy and this night/trip will be salvaged.
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So I go from talking about whats going on in her life (really dont want to dwell on that downer) to talking about her, and more importantly her and me. I say well Im glad you were adventurous enough to come out on your own, a sense of adventure is an important trait I look for in a girl. We talk about that a bit, then she gets back onto her downer topic about how her friends let her come out alone. So shes still talking, but its not super flirty and shes definitely not chasing after me yet. I take the opportunity to give out some life advice and illustrate some wisdom (a way to convey value). I say, you know, not everyone is meant to get alongif these friends of yours are that terrible, there are 7 billion more people in the world.
She tells me Im right, and I continue with my narrative of her and me, and I say that applies to you and me as well, if I ever bore you that much, feel free to just get up and leave and I wouldnt even be offendedjust dont be offended if you bored me and I did the same. What I did here, was very important, since that statement was framed in a way to get her chasing after mewhich she does. She says, no, youre actually really interesting and Im really glad I met you. I reply Im glad I met you too, youre quite funso far. She laughs. At this point I officially know she likes me and that she thinks I have a lot of value.
She actually says something very interesting next: just so you know, Im not looking to have sex, so I dont want you to waste your time. This is what we refer to as a shit test. Its actually a positive thing that she says it, since shes bringing up sex firstit means shes thinking about having sex with me, then disqualifying it so that she doesnt seem slutty. Girls do this all the time. I say simply I never said anything about sexyou have such a dirty mind. She gives me a sexy look and says yeah, you caught me.
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We talk a bit about personality types and whether our personalities would get along. I tell her how Im very high maintenance and hard to get along with (framed to get her chasing after me more, but also very true). I dont remember all of this part of the conversation, I remember I did a cold read where I successfully guessed her personality type (passive to a fault, correctly guessed from assessing our conversation so far). I ask her if we hung out more, do you think wed get along? She says honestly, I think wed clash!. Which is actually the answer I wanted and kind of led her into. I reply yeah probably, but honestly it would probably be one of those love/hate on and again/off again type of deals, where we wouldnt be able to get enough of each other for a week and then for 3 weeks well just be fighting and need our space. This technique is painting a picture of a future of us together, to make it more visual for us and cement the idea of us being together in her mind (its called visualization, like how basketball players visualize the ball going into the basket to lead towards success).
At this point, weve been talking about us being together for quite a bit in quite a flirty manner, so shes a lot happier. She starts to dance a bit sitting down, until eventually getting up to dance. I got up to dance with her, and while Im a terrible dancer, I realize that its very important to lead as a man, so I twirl her around, move her butt to me so shes grinding me, I put my hands on top of her thighs and she moves my hands over her private parts and kind of shoves my hands into her a bit through her dress. I do it just a bit to tease her before pulling away. We sit back down and she sits on my lap and sort of gives me a mini lapdance (yeah, despite what she said earlier, she definitely wants to have sexif there was any doubt before, she is now definitely DTF). Then she sits back down next to me.
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I tell her that her laugh has just a hint of trouble in it, causing her to laugh even more. At this point I feel like shes happy enough and likes me enough to move around the club with me. I tell her to get a drink and hang out with me. She says yeah, Im not in a hurry, which I purposefully mishear and repeat to her did you just say youre very pretty? She laughs and corrects me then adds but you are very pretty. I reply thanks, youre not so bad yourself and she giggles and gives me fuck me eyes.
Elapsed time is about 40 minutes by now. And you guys know what happens from here.
TL:DR-Girl will talk to me, but not flirty or happy, more of a question/answer format at first. I briefly had her tell me about her problem, gave her some quick life advice to illustrate my wisdom and get her starting to like me. Then I started talking about us, which allowed us to flirt a bit back and forth and talk about our relationship and create a narrative of us being glad to find each other. Slowly I got her to like me more and increase her mood to have more of a good time.
NOTE: I believe this full conversation is like 90% accurate, but sometimes its hard to remember every detail
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@Dblade3k @stone
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How do you go from finger blasting a girl to "I just want to be alone"... what kind of dumb topic is this?

BalisticWarri0r posted...

How do you go from finger blasting a girl to "I just want to be alone"... what kind of dumb topic is this?

i explained in the OP. I started getting too personal in my attempt to get to know her better. I like to really really get to know girls I sleep with, sue me
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Why do you phrase everything like a predator? As if you were hunting deer and describing baiting strategy and good hunting locations?
Whether or not human relations can be described in that way, why do you insist on describing them that way to other people as your default?

I think if you were less focused on that, people would find your stories more believable and be less likely to just write them off.
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Dragon239 posted...

tor? As if you were hunting deer and describing baiting strategy and good hunting locations?
Whether or not human relations can be described in that way, why do you insist on describing them that way to other people as your default?

i did that because people in this topic explicitly asked me to break things down in technical game to show how i got a girl from "cold" to "DTF"...so that's the way to do it, i realize it sounds cold and callous, but that's just the way it is. as mentioned, when im out and talking to girls, i dont think of things in these terms (which is why it took so long to type out, as i had to recall why specifically i do/say some specific things). When i'm talking to girls, i just try to enjoy the interaction, but these things are so ingrained in me and im cognizant of them, so i'll still take the proper steps. but when i'm out hanging out with girls, i absolutely do not think about things on this deep of a level.

but...attraction is still a science, this is just the mathematics behind that science. yeah, it sounds weird and i realize that, but every bit of it is true
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Lmao this guy
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r/thishappened

Oh wait, wrong website.
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C, final answer.
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Now its 830am and I'm just now trying to get to sleep...I hate vegas
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mybbqrules posted...

r/thishappened

Oh wait, wrong website.

Someone should still put this up there lmao

@Dblade3k @stone

These guys owe me a reply, I took an extra hour out of my sleep deprived morning to type this up for them
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You said 45 minutes, it took 75. Your warrantee is void.
Also, you really think we'll believe any of this crap?? You try too hard..
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stone posted...

You said 45 minutes, it took 75. Your warrantee is void.
Also, you really think we'll believe any of this crap?? You try too hard..

You're mad my rough estimate was wrong...and that I ended up putting even more effort into getting you better insight into my interactions? Think whatever you want, I highlight for you my exact thought process and methods for getting a girl to be dtf. Theres way too much insight and technique in that 3 pages of word docs (yes that's how long it was) to not be genuine
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No I'm not mad, I'm just being a dick ;)
And I still think you're full of it, but hey.. keep making these unbelievable topics ;)
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And don't forget,


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stone posted...

No I'm not mad, I'm just being a dick ;)
And I still think you're full of it, but hey.. keep making these unbelievable topics ;)

I've given you every single detail, if it's still unbelievable, that means I'm just too good with girls...this is what it means to be a pick up artist
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To be a pick up artist, you'd have to actually pick them up, not chicken out. If any of this is true. Which it obviously isn't.
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stone posted...

To be a pick up artist, you'd have to actually pick them up, not chicken out. If any of this is true. Which it obviously isn't.

Huh...at no point did I chicken out. Being a pick up artist means putting right process above results. That way, over time results will be better even if they aren't perfect in every single interaction. So I took excellent steps in this interaction to get the girl to be dtf and know exactly where I fucked up and will learn from it. Understanding and applying that process is what makes me a pick up artist
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tc how old are you
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The Trent posted...

tc how old are you

32
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No_U_L7 posted...

stone posted...

To be a pick up artist, you'd have to actually pick them up, not chicken out. If any of this is true. Which it obviously isn't.

Huh...at no point did I chicken out. Being a pick up artist means putting right process above results. That way, over time results will be better even if they aren't perfect in every single interaction. So I took excellent steps in this interaction to get the girl to be dtf and know exactly where I fucked up and will learn from it. Understanding and applying that process is what makes me a pick up artist

Even if any of this were true.. You'd hardly be considered a pick up artist if you can't close the deal.. Just a big fucking tease.
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No_U_L7 posted...

The Trent posted...

tc how old are you

32

and what do you do for work?
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The gimmick that never gets old
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stone posted...

Even if any of this were true.. You'd hardly be considered a pick up artist if you can't close the deal.. Just a big fucking tease.

Just because I didnt close the deal last night, doesnt mean I dont close the deal ever. Like Jordan says, you cant be afraid of missing the game winning shot. I close often enough theres sufficient sample size for the data. Also the phrase is pick up artist, not pick up master. I dont have to close 99.99% of the time to have that title. Let me put it this way, an amateur artist that just studies painting techniques and does it an hour a week for fun is still an artist. It is not a high threshold to be called a pick up artist, just have to understand and apply the techniques. Of course, as I've illustrated I'm quite a bit more advanced than that.
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The Trent posted...

No_U_L7 posted...

The Trent posted...

tc how old are you

32

and what do you do for work?

Are you trying to steal my identity...
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no, no, i'm quite happy with my own identity
i'm just seeking to understand
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