Current Events > Anyone else here have zero desire to ever reproduce?

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Like seriously, whats the point of spending inordinate amounts of time and money just to force some random being into existence?

Just so you can pass on your genes? What a massively arbitrary and inconsequential goal. A waste of a lifetime.

Just so you can have someone inherit your stuff? There is a good chance they wont even like you, or they could end up being a deadbeat.

Because your religion tells you to? Sorry, but they are just trying to get more members and therefore more money.

Having kids is the biggest waste of an existence I can imagine. Use that time/money to travel the world and live your dreams. Don't live your life for someone else.

yikes
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HighOnSolar posted...

yikes

Truth hurts. The narrative that having a family is the only way to be happy is one of society's biggest lies. Gotta keep people popping out kids somehow though to keep the world running.

dolomedes posted...

i am child-free and will remain child-free.

you say this like its your choice
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TC has daddy issues
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If everybody was like OP the world would be extinct in 100-ish years. And then the animals would rule the planet.
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You could always donate your sperm. That way your lineage will continue without having to worry about spending time and money looking after a kid.
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I used to have zero desire to reproduce. As I get older though I'm more open to the idea. Bio clock I guess.
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Ive had one and thats enough.
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Crescente posted...

You could always donate your sperm. That way your lineage will continue without having to worry about spending time and money looking after a kid.

I have no desire to pass on my genes. It is completely meaningless and arbitrary. It isn't any sort of accomplishment.

Yes. Im snipped.
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Ving_Rhames posted...

I used to have zero desire to reproduce. As I get older though I'm more open to the idea. Bio clock I guess.

I'm sort of in the same boat. 34. If I'm going to do it I need to do it soon.
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Your genes must be broken or mutated if you think like that lol
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Godnorgosh posted...

No, I wouldn't want to condemn a human life to live in a world marred by poverty and environmental decay.

This is also a very valid point. I have always considered reproduction to be very ethically questionable. A child is unable to consent to birth, and by being brought into this existence, you are guaranteeing they will experience pain at some point. Creating life means that you are creating the capacity for suffering.

SauI_Goodman posted...

If everybody was like OP the world would be extinct in 100-ish years. And then the animals would rule the planet.

Dial it back, you make it sound too good

CiIantro posted...

HighOnSolar posted...

yikes

Truth hurts. The narrative that having a family is the only way to be happy is one of society's biggest lies. Gotta keep people popping out kids somehow though to keep the world running.

I was with you up until this part, how would the world (of humans, at least) keep running if everyone stopped reproducing
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Crescente posted...

Your genes must be broken or mutated if you think like that lol

Or more highly evolved *shrugs*

Giblet_Enjoyer posted...

I was with you up until this part, how would the world (of humans, at least) keep running if everyone stopped reproducing

I think you misread. I said society would cease to function if everyone stopped reproducing, therefore it is beneficial to have a false social narrative that suggests having kids will make you happy.

Very happy that people like you won't be having children. Please never change your mind.
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dolomedes posted...

CiIantro posted...

Crescente posted...

Your genes must be broken or mutated if you think like that lol

Or more highly evolved *shrugs*

i mean the whole point of evolution is to ensure the successful continuation of your species so nah not really

unless you replace your reproductive capability with putting more effort into helping to raise the offspring of your siblings/parents, like eusocial insects.

Evolution doesn't have a "point". Effective reproductive strategies are just a byproduct of it.

El Mexicano Texano posted...

TC has daddy issues

Totally his fucking fault am I right? :P
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Yeah no thanks
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What's the average cost to raise a child to 18 these days? As I am now, I dont really want a kid. That's not to say I wont want one in the future but for now the money I have goes to paying for me to live and the excess is to go out and have fun with my friends, and a kid would shake that whole thing up. But that's just me.
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Not everyone wants to travel

Some people want to have kids and raise families

Some can do both
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dolomedes posted...

CiIantro posted...

Evolution doesn't have a "point". Effective reproductive strategies are just a byproduct of it.

natural selection would not select for being non-reproductive...

There is no defined "point" to evolution. It is simply the process of change over time. Obviously, natural selection is the unavoidable process by which organisms that are best able to reproduce pass on their genes, but that doesn't make them "better". By your argument, a super-human with god-like intelligence who was also impotent would be inferior to some random piece of trailer trash with 8 kids. Your logic is flawed.

Godnorgosh posted...

CiIantro posted...

Godnorgosh posted...

No, I wouldn't want to condemn a human life to live in a world marred by poverty and environmental decay.

This is also a very valid point. I have always considered reproduction to be very ethically questionable. A child is unable to consent to birth, and by being brought into this existence, you are guaranteeing they will experience pain at some point. Creating life means that you are creating the capacity for suffering.

Yeah, I've never read a convincing counterargument to antinatalism. It's difficult to maintain that overall pleasure tends to outweigh overall suffering in one's life, and once you've relinquished that ground, once you've admitted that suffering forms the greater part of the equation, it's easy to see that reproduction is in almost all cases morally unjustifiable.

Where have you been all my life? Refreshing to see someone who gets it.

TC you consider auditioning as a JRPG villain?
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28 years old and I currently feel this way.

Maybe someone will change my mind, but for now, nahh.
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i have a base biological desire to reproduce, but at the mental level, not really super into the idea but also am not necessarily opposed to it in the right circumstances.

if i ever get to a point where i am doing well in life, i might adopt a kid just so they can have a better shot at their own life
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dolomedes posted...

CiIantro posted...

There is no defined "point" to evolution. It is simply the process of change over time. Obviously, natural selection is the process by which organisms that are best able to reproduce pass on their genes, but that doesn't make them "better". By your argument, a super-human with god-like intelligence who was also impotent would be inferior to some random piece of trailer trash with 8 kids. Your logic is flawed.

you're the one talking about being more 'highly evolved' tbh.

an impotent genius would have a lower level of reproductive fitness than your 'trailer trash' example. lol

Nice to see that your sole interpretation of a beings worth is based on their reproductive capacity. How very narrow minded.

dolomedes posted...

CiIantro posted...

Nice to see that your sole interpretation of a beings worth is based on their reproductive capacity. How very narrow minded.

lol

again, you're the one that tried to bring evolution into this.

in terms of evolutionary worth, a sterile individual is useless.

Evolutionary worth is a subjective term.

WaterLink posted...

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Fuck, this is brilliant.

dolomedes posted...

CiIantro posted...

Evolutionary worth is a subjective term.

you're a subjective term.

i see why everybody responds to you in the way they do. ha.

Aaaand we're done here.

Around the age of 12 I remember it dawning on me for the first time what a living hell kids are on parents. What a financial and emotional drain they are on people. Us on our parents, them on theirs. And back then I realized I wanted nothing to do with them.
That opinion has not changed at all and I'm 36. If anything it's only gotten stronger.

Kids are essentially a cancer on your life and finances. And I've never understood when people say. Yeah it's a soul crushing, life ending, back snapping, sprit breaking, never ending drian on your sanity and finances ensuring you'll never have a moment's peace for the rest of your life. But it's worth it.
That bs is like trying to lie about there being some silver lining to losing your legs in a wood chipper. It's a life changing miserable event there's no way to ever recover from and your life is worse for it. But you don't have to worry about buying shoes anymore.
Yeah. Keep lying to try to convince yourself of that.
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CiIantro posted...

WaterLink posted...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPHHESpWTp8" data-time="

Fuck, this is brilliant.

Hes honestly one of my favorite comics there is. Heard about him from listening to other comics' podcasts and they kept mentioning him as their favorite, and I just had to see what he was. Was not disappointed.
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With how my life is going....I really don't have a choice to have any or not.
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considering we're on the ultra-fast track to extinction, no it doesn't seem very smart or nice for me to make a person

EternalDivide posted...

Around the age of 12 I remember it dawning on me for the first time what a living hell kids are on parents. What a financial and emotional drain they are on people. Us on our parents, them on theirs. And back then I realized I wanted nothing to do with them.
That opinion has not changed at all and I'm 36. If anything it's only gotten stronger.

Kids are essentially a cancer on your life and finances. And I've never understood when people say. Yeah it's a soul crushing, life ending, back snapping, sprit breaking, never ending drian on your sanity and finances ensuring you'll never have a moment's peace for the rest of your life. But it's worth it.
That bs is like trying to lie about there being some silver lining to losing your legs in a wood chipper. It's a life changing miserable event there's no way to ever recover from and your life is worse for it. But you don't have to worry about buying shoes anymore.
Yeah. Keep lying to try to convince yourself of that.

Damn man
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I'm definitely in no position to have a child now.

If that were to change, I'd consider it.
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