Current Events > Metroid (NES) is a terrible game

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You can find this out for yourself by playing the first few screens and realizing your fire only goes in 4 directions. This makes it almost unplayable and definitely unfun.

Add to this to the fact that you're in a giant world that looks the same, but with no map.

Metroid Zero Mission has to be one of the biggest improvements ever in a remake.
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Samus Returns is much worse and a larger improvement. I kind of liked Metroid. But yeah I agree otherwise.
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Probably a great example of a game great for its time, but aged horribly.

Pokemon Gen 1 is another one.
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Metroid (NES) is a terrible game

As a Metroid fan I agree.
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I had fun playing it at first, but eventually it was held back by so many bad decisions. Starting off with 30 energy after dying being one of them. Eventually, since it was on my Wii U, I used a printed out map and had a save state after one of the times I refilled my energy all the way because I was sick of 30 energy grinding.

Zero Mission might be one of the most enjoyable gaming experiences I had in a long time when I played it a couple of years ago.
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Call of Duty only lets you shoot in one direction, and that is forward. Be grateful for what you have.
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The fact that you only start with 30 health is a dealbreaker. I beat it legit years ago and it was awful.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

You can find this out for yourself by playing the first few screens and realizing your fire only goes in 4 directions. This makes it almost unplayable and definitely unfun.

Add to this to the fact that you're in a giant world that looks the same, but with no map.

Metroid Zero Mission has to be one of the biggest improvements ever in a remake.

Correction. You can only aim in 3 directions. Up, left and right.
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plus it had no saves so you had to write down an incredibly long password. a number of times i wrote the password down wrong or something and had to start over from the beginning.
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Oh yeah, I forgot about the 30 energy after you die.

That's not so bad at first, but when you face the bosses you need full energy + extra several energy tanks AND a lot of rockets. This can get really bad especially with Mother Brain.
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pojr posted...

Damn_Underscore posted...

You can find this out for yourself by playing the first few screens and realizing your fire only goes in 4 directions. This makes it almost unplayable and definitely unfun.

Add to this to the fact that you're in a giant world that looks the same, but with no map.

Metroid Zero Mission has to be one of the biggest improvements ever in a remake.

Correction. You can only aim in 3 directions. Up, left and right.

You can jump and aim down right? I forget.
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Damn_Underscore posted...

pojr posted...

Damn_Underscore posted...

You can find this out for yourself by playing the first few screens and realizing your fire only goes in 4 directions. This makes it almost unplayable and definitely unfun.

Add to this to the fact that you're in a giant world that looks the same, but with no map.

Metroid Zero Mission has to be one of the biggest improvements ever in a remake.

Correction. You can only aim in 3 directions. Up, left and right.

You can jump and aim down right? I forget.

Nope lol. You can't even crouch
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Damn_Underscore posted...

pojr posted...

Damn_Underscore posted...

You can find this out for yourself by playing the first few screens and realizing your fire only goes in 4 directions. This makes it almost unplayable and definitely unfun.

Add to this to the fact that you're in a giant world that looks the same, but with no map.

Metroid Zero Mission has to be one of the biggest improvements ever in a remake.

Correction. You can only aim in 3 directions. Up, left and right.

You can jump and aim down right? I forget.

Unless I'm forgetting something, you can't aim down in the original.
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fenderbender321 posted...

dolomedes posted...

Damn_Underscore posted...

your fire only goes in 4 directions. This makes it almost unplayable

lmao

Yeah, wtf? Almost every action/platformer game on the NES had attacks limited to 2 or 4 directions. Zelda 2, Mario games, and Mega Man for example. Contra was one of the few exceptions to that.

Mega Man is the only good example because you mainly use projectile attacks. And while those games are difficult, they are divided into quick levels while Metroid is one giant world.

Also the Metalman attack from Mega Man 2 goes in 8 directions.
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It was amazing for its time but yes it's pretty shit for modern standards. It definitely didn't stand the test of time like many NES classics.
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Yeah the only reason to beat it on the NES is just to say you did it. It's not an enjoyable experience at all today.

Inertia is a property of matter.
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I like the script that gives it a mini map that fills out as you play, but really it was a bad game back then even.
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It was too ambitious for the hardware.

I'm of the opinion it wasn't even a good game for it's time.
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It's okay not to like it. Nobody expects you to because you weren't there.

It was cool in how you explore and find secrets, but it had a lot of issues that held it back like having to grind for health etc. I don't regret playing and beating it. It was pretty fun
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It was great in 1986, but the game has not aged well at all.

fenderbender321 posted...

The grinding for health aspect was one of the ways they made games last longer back in the 8-bit era. We didn't have better at the time, so we didn't know better. So we still enjoyed them.

I never enjoyed grinding for health
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Grinding for health sounds like a euphemism for fucking for exercise.

Metroid really doesnt require grinding for health, just dont die before getting your first energy tank. Every additional tank gives you full health. There are more energy tanks in the game than you can actually hold, so you have 2 to use as refills after you die, or get your password. 6 energy tanks is more than enough to do anything in this game. If you are still dying, than you just need to get better at the game.

The no map thing isnt a big deal either. The game is very small, just look at the map compare map to later games. The areas are intentionally similar, and some misleading, to make you have to explore a bit.

You dont need to crouch or shoot down, you can use bombs to kill enemies in the ground, or use wave beam. You are supposed make a choice between the more powerful wave beam, or utility of the ice beam. But really screw attack makes them both feel underpowered. This game is the reason it has the reputation it does, because the later games diminish its usefulness.

i remember my dad mapped out the levels on graph paper
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Solar_Crimson posted...

Probably a great example of a game great for its time, but aged horribly.

Pokemon Gen 1 is another one.

And Mario 64.

looked posted...

Metroid really doesnt require grinding for health, just dont die before getting your first energy tank. Every additional tank gives you full health. There are more energy tanks in the game than you can actually hold, so you have 2 to use as refills after you die, or get your password. 6 energy tanks is more than enough to do anything in this game. If you are still dying, than you just need to get better at the game.

The no map thing isnt a big deal either. The game is very small, just look at the map compare map to later games. The areas are intentionally similar, and some misleading, to make you have to explore a bit.

You dont need to crouch or shoot down, you can use bombs to kill enemies in the ground, or use wave beam. You are supposed make a choice between the more powerful wave beam, or utility of the ice beam. But really screw attack makes them both feel underpowered. This game is the reason it has the reputation it does, because the later games diminish its usefulness.

You don't have to defend such a dumb, terrible decision.

Most people aren't going to know where many of those tanks are, and dying is pretty easy, and annoying to deal with.
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Solar_Crimson posted...

Probably a great example of a game great for its time, but aged horribly.

Pokemon Gen 1 is another one.

Maybe the sprites
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Yeah, it's bad. I didn't even like it when it was still relatively new. Playing it without FAQs was basically impossible.

Metroid II is a lot better but still pretty weak compared to some of its peers. The series didn't really get good until Super Metroid.
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So many haters

Love this game. Super Metroid perfected it, but this was a very good game when first released and still holds up well.
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Super Metroid made it good
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pojr posted...

So many haters

Love this game. Super Metroid perfected it, but this was a very good game when first released and still holds up well.

nah it's pure crap.

if you die you respawn with just one energy tank filled and have to grind energy pellets to fill back up.

This is functionally like, if in Dark Souls, if you died, you respawn at the campfire with 1hp, no charges in your flask until you kill the next boss.

Except Metroid doesn't even have iframes.
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Maybe its because I memorized all the necessary paths and locations of key items when it was new when I was a kid, but I think it was great then and has aged fine. >_>

Just use the NARPAS SWORD if little baby can't handle a moderately difficult game and have fun messing around with infinite resources.
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Somehow I beat Metroid 2 which has an even more confusing layout (I used a map of course). Never beat 1. Never will because fuck:

- Starting with 30 energy every time you die regardless of how many Energy Tanks youve picked up
- Only having 3 directions to shoot
- Not being able to shoot downwards in midair
- Not being able to crouch (a common NES problem, these two mean that killing enemies low to the ground is impossible)
- Fuck the labyrinthine design
- Fuck the lack of map
- Fuck the brutal difficulty (exaggerated by E Tank problem)

I am a huge Metroid fan. I will never beat this game though.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

pojr posted...

So many haters

Love this game. Super Metroid perfected it, but this was a very good game when first released and still holds up well.

nah it's pure crap.

if you die you respawn with just one energy tank filled and have to grind energy pellets to fill back up.

This is functionally like, if in Dark Souls, if you died, you respawn at the campfire with 1hp, no charges in your flask until you kill the next boss.

Except Metroid doesn't even have iframes.

You dont start with an energy tank, and your life doesnt refill when you kill a boss, have you even played the game? Or are you just commenting on what others are saying?

Beat the game a little over a decade ago and thought it was garbage. Its hard af as fuck and aged terribly.
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looked posted...

You dont start with an energy tank, and your life doesnt refill when you kill a boss, have you even played the game? Or are you just commenting on what others are saying?

I was trying to draw the closest comparison I could. There aren't any because it's just that crap.

But you do start with just one energy tank filled up, aka "99 energy" after a death.
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Yeah, its one of the rougher NES classics to play nowadays.
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PiOverlord posted...

looked posted...

Metroid really doesnt require grinding for health, just dont die before getting your first energy tank. Every additional tank gives you full health. There are more energy tanks in the game than you can actually hold, so you have 2 to use as refills after you die, or get your password. 6 energy tanks is more than enough to do anything in this game. If you are still dying, than you just need to get better at the game.

The no map thing isnt a big deal either. The game is very small, just look at the map compare map to later games. The areas are intentionally similar, and some misleading, to make you have to explore a bit.

You dont need to crouch or shoot down, you can use bombs to kill enemies in the ground, or use wave beam. You are supposed make a choice between the more powerful wave beam, or utility of the ice beam. But really screw attack makes them both feel underpowered. This game is the reason it has the reputation it does, because the later games diminish its usefulness.

You don't have to defend such a dumb, terrible decision.

Most people aren't going to know where many of those tanks are, and dying is pretty easy, and annoying to deal with.

The point is to explore and learn where the items are. You dont have to beat the game the first time you pick it up.

Turbam posted...

Yeah, its one of the rougher NES classics to play nowadays.

No. There are so many harder games. TaleSpin is harder. Zelda 2 is harder. Dragon Warrior was confusing to play one NES so I'd consider it harder. Marble Madness, Fester's Quest, Home Alone, Mario the lost levels, Guardian legend, any Megaman, I have a ton of NES games I never managed to get close to beat.
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