Poll of the Day > How do vegans justify being pro-choice?

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ninja_lootz 08/06/18 12:22:00 PM #1:	Like scrambled eggs are wrong but scrambled fetuses are fine? --- MY HELMET'S ON YOU CAN'T TELL ME I'M NOT IN SPACE <cite>ninja_lootz posted [p:906365421] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote>Like scrambled eggs are wrong but scrambled fetuses are fine?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ninja_lootz 08/06/18 12:26:05 PM #3:	But they can't even eat them! --- MY HELMET'S ON YOU CAN'T TELL ME I'M NOT IN SPACE <cite>ninja_lootz posted [p:906365638] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote>But they can't even eat them!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Far-Queue 08/06/18 12:27:35 PM #4:	ninja_lootz posted... But they can't even eat them! Speak for yourself. --- https://imgur.com/ZwO4qO2 Bluer than velvet was the night... Softer than satin was the light... From the stars... <cite>Far-Queue posted [p:906365712] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote><cite>ninja_lootz posted...</cite> <quote>But they can't even eat them!</quote> Speak for yourself.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mead 08/06/18 12:30:30 PM #6:	I know this is a bad joke topic But Im not sure if TC knows that those chicken eggs are not fertilized --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:906365859] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote>I know this is a bad joke topic But Im not sure if TC knows that those chicken eggs are not fertilized</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Star_Spirit 08/06/18 12:31:05 PM #7:	Imagine ACTUALLY caring about abortions. How corny could ya get. Also HURR DURR MEMES TOLD ME THAT VEGANS ARE ANNOYING. Always funny to see people mock those who are health-conscious. I'm not a vegan but enjoy your future cancer treatments. <cite>Star_Spirit posted [p:906365890] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote>Imagine ACTUALLY caring about abortions. How corny could ya get. Also HURR DURR MEMES TOLD ME THAT VEGANS ARE ANNOYING. Always funny to see people mock those who are health-conscious. I'm not a vegan but enjoy your future cancer treatments.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mead 08/06/18 12:36:28 PM #9:	Star_Spirit posted... Imagine ACTUALLY caring about abortions. How corny could ya get. Also HURR DURR MEMES TOLD ME THAT VEGANS ARE ANNOYING. Always funny to see people mock those who are health-conscious. I'm not a vegan but enjoy your future cancer treatments. People go after vegans because they are one of the last groups that people can relentlessly mock without facing any pushback Most vegans really dont care what anyone else eats but as soon as a lot of people find out that someone is vegan they act like they are under attack or start going on and on about how they could never do that as if a vegan expects everyone they meet to just start being vegan too --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:906366122] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote><cite>Star_Spirit posted...</cite> <quote>Imagine ACTUALLY caring about abortions. How corny could ya get. Also HURR DURR MEMES TOLD ME THAT VEGANS ARE ANNOYING. Always funny to see people mock those who are health-conscious. I'm not a vegan but enjoy your future cancer treatments.</quote> People go after vegans because they are one of the last groups that people can relentlessly mock without facing any pushback Most vegans really dont care what anyone else eats but as soon as a lot of people find out that someone is vegan they act like they are under attack or start going on and on about how they could never do that as if a vegan expects everyone they meet to just start being vegan too</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Golden Road 08/06/18 12:56:14 PM #11:	I don't understand veganism. I do understand vegetarianism, but whatever your diet, you're essentially drawing a line between what you will and won't eat. Vegetarianism seems to generally be concerned with causing less suffering, because, realistically, a cow suffers a lot more than a head of lettuce, and is generally worse for the environment. I get that. Veganism seems more about earning brownie points than anything else, though. It lumps all animals, and animal byproducts, into the same category, which is absurd. Just like someone can't reasonably claim that a head of lettuce is just as murder-y as a steak, it's equally absurd to claim that "enslaving bees and stealing their honey" is just as bad as the beef industry. --- Who's your favorite character from "Bend It Like Beckham"? And you can't say Beckham. <cite>Golden Road posted [p:906367115] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote>I don't understand veganism. I do understand vegetarianism, but whatever your diet, you're essentially drawing a line between what you will and won't eat. Vegetarianism seems to generally be concerned with causing less suffering, because, realistically, a cow suffers a lot more than a head of lettuce, and is generally worse for the environment. I get that. Veganism seems more about earning brownie points than anything else, though. It lumps all animals, and animal byproducts, into the same category, which is absurd. Just like someone can't reasonably claim that a head of lettuce is just as murder-y as a steak, it's equally absurd to claim that "enslaving bees and stealing their honey" is just as bad as the beef industry.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DirtBasedSoap 08/06/18 12:58:37 PM #12:	Golden Road posted... I don't understand veganism. I do understand vegetarianism, but whatever your diet, you're essentially drawing a line between what you will and won't eat. Vegetarianism seems to generally be concerned with causing less suffering, because, realistically, a cow suffers a lot more than a head of lettuce, and is generally worse for the environment. I get that. Veganism seems more about earning brownie points than anything else, though. It lumps all animals, and animal byproducts, into the same category, which is absurd. Just like someone can't reasonably claim that a head of lettuce is just as murder-y as a steak, it's equally absurd to claim that "enslaving bees and stealing their honey" is just as bad as the beef industry. this post made me dumber :( --- Any fool with a microphone thinks he can tell you what he loves the most <cite>DirtBasedSoap posted [p:906367224] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote><cite>Golden Road posted...</cite> <quote>I don't understand veganism. I do understand vegetarianism, but whatever your diet, you're essentially drawing a line between what you will and won't eat. Vegetarianism seems to generally be concerned with causing less suffering, because, realistically, a cow suffers a lot more than a head of lettuce, and is generally worse for the environment. I get that. Veganism seems more about earning brownie points than anything else, though. It lumps all animals, and animal byproducts, into the same category, which is absurd. Just like someone can't reasonably claim that a head of lettuce is just as murder-y as a steak, it's equally absurd to claim that "enslaving bees and stealing their honey" is just as bad as the beef industry.</quote> this post made me dumber :(</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ninja_lootz 08/06/18 1:02:41 PM #13:	Mead posted... I know this is a bad joke topic But Im not sure if TC knows that those chicken eggs are not fertilized Wait, what's your point exactly? Ohhh, I only compared them because both get scrambled. I wasn't saying chicken eggs are like human fetuses. I didn't even make that connection at all when I made this topic, lol. My bad. Let me clarify. The OP was about how someone can justify destroying a fetus, while believing something as insignificant as a chicken egg shouldn't be eaten. My understanding of veganism is that it's a diet based on a moral viewpoint of causing as little death and suffering as possible. Tearing apart a fetus seems to run contrary to that. --- MY HELMET'S ON YOU CAN'T TELL ME I'M NOT IN SPACE <cite>ninja_lootz posted [p:906367426] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>I know this is a bad joke topic But Im not sure if TC knows that those chicken eggs are not fertilized</quote> Wait, what's your point exactly? Ohhh, I only compared them because both get scrambled. I wasn't saying chicken eggs are like human fetuses. I didn't even make that connection at all when I made this topic, lol. My bad. Let me clarify. The OP was about how someone can justify destroying a fetus, while believing something as insignificant as a chicken egg shouldn't be eaten. My understanding of veganism is that it's a diet based on a moral viewpoint of causing as little death and suffering as possible. Tearing apart a fetus seems to run contrary to that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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_AdjI_ 08/06/18 1:15:07 PM #16:	Golden Road posted... realistically, a cow suffers a lot more than a head of lettuce, I've never really accepted that logic. Plants have chemical responses to being damaged, which is all that "feeling pain" really is, so acting like the vertebrate model for pain is the only valid one doesn't make much sense to me. Raising a cow, however, does involve feeding them a whole bunch of plants, so it's not like killing a cow means you get to not kill plants, and meat does involve more total suffering. I'm just not going to say that one form of that suffering means more than the other. <cite>_AdjI_ posted [p:906368045] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote><cite>Golden Road posted...</cite> <quote>realistically, a cow suffers a lot more than a head of lettuce,</quote> I've never really accepted that logic. Plants have chemical responses to being damaged, which is all that "feeling pain" really is, so acting like the vertebrate model for pain is the only valid one doesn't make much sense to me. Raising a cow, however, does involve feeding them a whole bunch of plants, so it's not like killing a cow means you get to not kill plants, and meat does involve more total suffering. I'm just not going to say that one form of that suffering means more than the other.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ninja_lootz 08/06/18 1:16:08 PM #17:	Zangulus posted... ninja_lootz posted... My understanding of veganism is that it's a diet based on a moral viewpoint of causing as little death and suffering as possible. Tearing apart a fetus seems to run contrary to that. So youre basing this on the false premise all abortions are just willy nilly because the mother doesnt want to be pregnant. It doesnt take into account miscarriages and those pregnancies that would kill the mother or the child wouldnt survive. Got it. That's a bit of a leap. Most people wouldn't blame someone for aborting a fetus that would kill them. The same for a vegan who eats meat to prevent starving to death. The majority of people in the USA (and this board) support ALL abortions and some of those people are vegans. I'm just curious about their thought processes. --- MY HELMET'S ON YOU CAN'T TELL ME I'M NOT IN SPACE <cite>ninja_lootz posted [p:906368096] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zangulus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ninja_lootz posted...</cite> <quote>My understanding of veganism is that it's a diet based on a moral viewpoint of causing as little death and suffering as possible. Tearing apart a fetus seems to run contrary to that.</quote> So youre basing this on the false premise all abortions are just willy nilly because the mother doesnt want to be pregnant. It doesnt take into account miscarriages and those pregnancies that would kill the mother or the child wouldnt survive. Got it.</quote> That's a bit of a leap. Most people wouldn't blame someone for aborting a fetus that would kill them. The same for a vegan who eats meat to prevent starving to death. The majority of people in the USA (and this board) support ALL abortions and some of those people are vegans. I'm just curious about their thought processes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 08/06/18 1:16:15 PM #18:	Golden Road posted... I don't understand veganism. I do understand vegetarianism, but whatever your diet, you're essentially drawing a line between what you will and won't eat. Vegetarianism seems to generally be concerned with causing less suffering, because, realistically, a cow suffers a lot more than a head of lettuce, and is generally worse for the environment. I get that. Veganism seems more about earning brownie points than anything else, though. It lumps all animals, and animal byproducts, into the same category, which is absurd. Just like someone can't reasonably claim that a head of lettuce is just as murder-y as a steak, it's equally absurd to claim that "enslaving bees and stealing their honey" is just as bad as the beef industry. Its almost like people make dietary decisions for different reasons --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:906368099] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote><cite>Golden Road posted...</cite> <quote>I don't understand veganism. I do understand vegetarianism, but whatever your diet, you're essentially drawing a line between what you will and won't eat. Vegetarianism seems to generally be concerned with causing less suffering, because, realistically, a cow suffers a lot more than a head of lettuce, and is generally worse for the environment. I get that. Veganism seems more about earning brownie points than anything else, though. It lumps all animals, and animal byproducts, into the same category, which is absurd. Just like someone can't reasonably claim that a head of lettuce is just as murder-y as a steak, it's equally absurd to claim that "enslaving bees and stealing their honey" is just as bad as the beef industry.</quote> Its almost like people make dietary decisions for different reasons</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MirMiros 08/06/18 1:29:59 PM #19:	No none ever accused vegans of being intelligent or consistent. I mean, they care more about the cows producing milk or the bees making honey than they do about the migrant farmers who grow their produce. <cite>MirMiros posted [p:906368791] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote>No none ever accused vegans of being intelligent or consistent. I mean, they care more about the cows producing milk or the bees making honey than they do about the migrant farmers who grow their produce.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 08/06/18 1:34:31 PM #20:	MirMiros posted... No none ever accused vegans of being intelligent or consistent. I mean, they care more about the cows producing milk or the bees making honey than they do about the migrant farmers who grow their produce. Stop trying to trick me into eating migrant workers I dont want to do it --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:906369055] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote><cite>MirMiros posted...</cite> <quote>No none ever accused vegans of being intelligent or consistent. I mean, they care more about the cows producing milk or the bees making honey than they do about the migrant farmers who grow their produce.</quote> Stop trying to trick me into eating migrant workers I dont want to do it</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
VioletZer0 08/06/18 1:51:02 PM #21:	Because abortions do not cause the suffering of living beings. <cite>VioletZer0 posted [p:906370031] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote>Because abortions do not cause the suffering of living beings.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 08/08/18 4:18:05 PM #22:	Star_Spirit posted... I'm not a vegan but enjoy your future cancer treatments. Prove everybody who eats meat will get cancer. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:906510743] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote><cite>Star_Spirit posted...</cite> <quote> I'm not a vegan but enjoy your future cancer treatments.</quote> Prove everybody who eats meat will get cancer.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PuddingBoy 08/08/18 4:20:03 PM #23:	ninja_lootz posted... Zangulus posted... ninja_lootz posted... My understanding of veganism is that it's a diet based on a moral viewpoint of causing as little death and suffering as possible. Tearing apart a fetus seems to run contrary to that. So youre basing this on the false premise all abortions are just willy nilly because the mother doesnt want to be pregnant. It doesnt take into account miscarriages and those pregnancies that would kill the mother or the child wouldnt survive. Got it. That's a bit of a leap. Most people wouldn't blame someone for aborting a fetus that would kill them. The same for a vegan who eats meat to prevent starving to death. The majority of people in the USA (and this board) support ALL abortions and some of those people are vegans. I'm just curious about their thought processes. Define all abortions and [citation needed] --- 3DS Friend Code: 3308-5843-0863 Town: Virginia <cite>PuddingBoy posted [p:906510885] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote><cite>ninja_lootz posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Zangulus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ninja_lootz posted...</cite> <quote>My understanding of veganism is that it's a diet based on a moral viewpoint of causing as little death and suffering as possible. Tearing apart a fetus seems to run contrary to that.</quote> So youre basing this on the false premise all abortions are just willy nilly because the mother doesnt want to be pregnant. It doesnt take into account miscarriages and those pregnancies that would kill the mother or the child wouldnt survive. Got it.</quote> That's a bit of a leap. Most people wouldn't blame someone for aborting a fetus that would kill them. The same for a vegan who eats meat to prevent starving to death. The majority of people in the USA (and this board) support ALL abortions and some of those people are vegans. I'm just curious about their thought processes.</quote> Define all abortions and [citation needed]</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 08/08/18 4:23:14 PM #24:	animals abort their own babies all the time. abortion is natural --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:906511096] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote>animals abort their own babies all the time. abortion is natural</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 08/08/18 4:45:10 PM #25:	Doctor Foxx posted... animals abort their own babies all the time. abortion is natural Wat. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:906512552] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote>animals abort their own babies all the time. abortion is natural</quote> Wat.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 08/08/18 4:47:03 PM #26:	Revelation34 posted... Doctor Foxx posted... animals abort their own babies all the time. abortion is natural Wat. Animals literally eat their young all the time if they cant support all of them --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:906512670] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote>animals abort their own babies all the time. abortion is natural</quote> Wat.</quote> Animals literally eat their young all the time if they cant support all of them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GanglyKhan 08/08/18 4:48:34 PM #27:	Mead posted... Revelation34 posted... Doctor Foxx posted... animals abort their own babies all the time. abortion is natural Wat. Animals literally eat their young all the time if they cant support all of them That's not an abortion though! Lol But yeah, on a conceptual level, it's the same. Can't take care of it, so they get rid of it. <cite>GanglyKhan posted [p:906512778] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote>animals abort their own babies all the time. abortion is natural</quote> Wat.</quote> Animals literally eat their young all the time if they cant support all of them</quote> That's not an abortion though! Lol But yeah, on a conceptual level, it's the same. Can't take care of it, so they get rid of it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 08/08/18 4:48:48 PM #28:	Mead posted... Animals literally eat their young all the time if they cant support all of them Yes but that's not abortion. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:906512793] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Animals literally eat their young all the time if they cant support all of them</quote> Yes but that's not abortion.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mead 08/08/18 4:49:38 PM #30:	Revelation34 posted... Mead posted... Animals literally eat their young all the time if they cant support all of them Yes but that's not abortion. Its worse. --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:906512860] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Animals literally eat their young all the time if they cant support all of them</quote> Yes but that's not abortion.</quote> Its worse.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 08/08/18 5:05:57 PM #31:	Mead posted... Revelation34 posted... Mead posted... Animals literally eat their young all the time if they cant support all of them Yes but that's not abortion. Its worse. Yeah infanticide is worse But yes mammals will intentionally abort --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:906513948] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Mead posted...</cite> <quote>Animals literally eat their young all the time if they cant support all of them</quote> Yes but that's not abortion.</quote> Its worse.</quote> Yeah infanticide is worse But yes mammals will intentionally abort</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Yellow 08/08/18 5:35:06 PM #32:	How can vegans justify swallowing boogers? "Are you really comparing a fetus to a booger" Yes, here's a link showing fetuses brain activity not being active insert Google search "Are you really saying you know for sure brain activity is all a human is" That's pretty morally consistent with someone who won't eat a pig because it has a functional brain --- "Everyone knows the law doesn't matter if it's a little kid breaking it!" ~TheOrangeMisfit on 1 year olds <cite>Yellow posted [p:906515792] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote>How can vegans justify swallowing boogers? "Are you really comparing a fetus to a booger" Yes, here's a link showing fetuses brain activity not being active insert Google search "Are you really saying you know for sure brain activity is all a human is" That's pretty morally consistent with someone who won't eat a pig because it has a functional brain</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OmegaM 08/08/18 5:47:22 PM #33:	ninja_lootz posted... Like scrambled eggs are wrong but scrambled fetuses are fine? I think that most vegans are worried mainly about the suffering that was inflicted on the birds that laid the eggs. I don't know what vegans think about eating eggs that birds just randomly laid and that somebody picked up off the ground, but I've heard that those sorts of eggs are very rare. <cite>OmegaM posted [p:906516565] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote><cite>ninja_lootz posted...</cite> <quote>Like scrambled eggs are wrong but scrambled fetuses are fine?</quote> I think that most vegans are worried mainly about the suffering that was inflicted on the birds that laid the eggs. I don't know what vegans think about eating eggs that birds just randomly laid and that somebody picked up off the ground, but I've heard that those sorts of eggs are very rare.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 08/08/18 5:53:55 PM #34:	OmegaM posted... ninja_lootz posted... Like scrambled eggs are wrong but scrambled fetuses are fine? I think that most vegans are worried mainly about the suffering that was inflicted on the birds that laid the eggs. I don't know what vegans think about eating eggs that birds just randomly laid and that somebody picked up off the ground, but I've heard that those sorts of eggs are very rare. They are uncommon, and you're still taking what was intended to become life from another being vegans may support abortions, but they don't support forcing people to abort. you know? --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:906516986] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote><cite>OmegaM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ninja_lootz posted...</cite> <quote>Like scrambled eggs are wrong but scrambled fetuses are fine?</quote> I think that most vegans are worried mainly about the suffering that was inflicted on the birds that laid the eggs. I don't know what vegans think about eating eggs that birds just randomly laid and that somebody picked up off the ground, but I've heard that those sorts of eggs are very rare.</quote> They are uncommon, and you're still taking what was intended to become life from another being vegans may support abortions, but they don't support forcing people to abort. you know?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
OmegaM 08/08/18 6:45:28 PM #35:	Doctor Foxx posted... OmegaM posted... ninja_lootz posted... Like scrambled eggs are wrong but scrambled fetuses are fine? I think that most vegans are worried mainly about the suffering that was inflicted on the birds that laid the eggs. I don't know what vegans think about eating eggs that birds just randomly laid and that somebody picked up off the ground, but I've heard that those sorts of eggs are very rare. They are uncommon, and you're still taking what was intended to become life from another being I thought that birds sometimes laid unfertilized eggs. I guess you never know for any individual egg. <cite>OmegaM posted [p:906520174] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>OmegaM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ninja_lootz posted...</cite> <quote>Like scrambled eggs are wrong but scrambled fetuses are fine?</quote> I think that most vegans are worried mainly about the suffering that was inflicted on the birds that laid the eggs. I don't know what vegans think about eating eggs that birds just randomly laid and that somebody picked up off the ground, but I've heard that those sorts of eggs are very rare.</quote> They are uncommon, and you're still taking what was intended to become life from another being </quote> I thought that birds sometimes laid unfertilized eggs. I guess you never know for any individual egg.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unbridled9 08/08/18 6:59:49 PM #36:	While I'm sure some vegans are honest about their choice and really DO want to not eat anything plant related or whatever... most I've seen are just smug, moralizing, virtue signalers who don't even follow their own rules. Get mad at me for eating some eggs? 'You're murdering baby chickens!' Even though the vast, vast, majority of cooking eggs are unfertilized and will never develop, let alone hatch. But their choice to eat some ice cream or basically any animal thing? 'Ice cream isn't an animal byproduct silly'. I've met vegetarians who are at least honest, non-patronizing, and so-forth about their choice to not eat animal products. Some of them are not pushy (besides not remembering that everyone at the house is vegetarian and would like something OTHER than spinach pizza!) or anything. Though a lot more are also people who are vegetarian because it's 'fashionable' and what-not. I.E. aren't actually vegetarian but claim they are to seem smug and superior and usually found out the moment that they try to insist that they have 'vegetarian chicken' or something similar. Anyways. I'd imagine that they split the question of the morality of abortion apart from the question of if it's okay to use animal products in their mind and approach them in different ways. Plus, let's be honest, I'm pretty sure a lot of people hold beliefs and ideals that seem to make sense to us but make no sense to outside observers. --- I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage <cite>Unbridled9 posted [p:906521031] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote>While I'm sure some vegans are honest about their choice and really DO want to not eat anything plant related or whatever... most I've seen are just smug, moralizing, virtue signalers who don't even follow their own rules. Get mad at me for eating some eggs? 'You're murdering baby chickens!' Even though the vast, vast, majority of cooking eggs are unfertilized and will never develop, let alone hatch. But their choice to eat some ice cream or basically any animal thing? 'Ice cream isn't an animal byproduct silly'. I've met vegetarians who are at least honest, non-patronizing, and so-forth about their choice to not eat animal products. Some of them are not pushy (besides not remembering that everyone at the house is vegetarian and would like something OTHER than spinach pizza!) or anything. Though a lot more are also people who are vegetarian because it's 'fashionable' and what-not. I.E. aren't actually vegetarian but claim they are to seem smug and superior and usually found out the moment that they try to insist that they have 'vegetarian chicken' or something similar. Anyways. I'd imagine that they split the question of the morality of abortion apart from the question of if it's okay to use animal products in their mind and approach them in different ways. Plus, let's be honest, I'm pretty sure a lot of people hold beliefs and ideals that seem to make sense to us but make no sense to outside observers.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 08/08/18 7:08:02 PM #37:	Unbridled9 posted... But their choice to eat some ice cream or basically any animal thing? 'Ice cream isn't an animal byproduct silly'. This doesn't happen. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:906521502] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote><cite>Unbridled9 posted...</cite> <quote>But their choice to eat some ice cream or basically any animal thing? 'Ice cream isn't an animal byproduct silly'.</quote> This doesn't happen.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 08/08/18 7:27:17 PM #38:	Unbridled9 posted... Get mad at me for eating some eggs? 'You're murdering baby chickens!' Even though the vast, vast, majority of cooking eggs are unfertilized and will never develop, let alone hatch. But their choice to eat some ice cream or basically any animal thing? 'Ice cream isn't an animal byproduct silly'. One, egg industry kills so many chickens. When they let eggs hatch to make new layer hens, only about 50% of those eggs hatch female. Every one of those male chicks is killed. Eating eggs does require animal death Two, vegans don't eat dairy or any other animal products, this is a poor straw man. You're thinking of ethical vegetarians which I agree are not consistent when they eat animal products for pleasure Unbridled9 posted... Though a lot more are also people who are vegetarian because it's 'fashionable' and what-not. I.E. aren't actually vegetarian but claim they are to seem smug and superior and usually found out the moment that they try to insist that they have 'vegetarian chicken' or something similar. It's fashionable to take a stance that gets you singled out and mocked? On opposite day I guess Vegetarian chicken is still vegetarian so I don't know what your issue there even is --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:906522654] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote><cite>Unbridled9 posted...</cite> <quote>Get mad at me for eating some eggs? 'You're murdering baby chickens!' Even though the vast, vast, majority of cooking eggs are unfertilized and will never develop, let alone hatch. But their choice to eat some ice cream or basically any animal thing? 'Ice cream isn't an animal byproduct silly'.</quote> One, egg industry kills so many chickens. When they let eggs hatch to make new layer hens, only about 50% of those eggs hatch female. Every one of those male chicks is killed. Eating eggs does require animal death Two, vegans don't eat dairy or any other animal products, this is a poor straw man. You're thinking of ethical vegetarians which I agree are not consistent when they eat animal products for pleasure <cite>Unbridled9 posted...</cite> <quote>Though a lot more are also people who are vegetarian because it's 'fashionable' and what-not. I.E. aren't actually vegetarian but claim they are to seem smug and superior and usually found out the moment that they try to insist that they have 'vegetarian chicken' or something similar.</quote> It's fashionable to take a stance that gets you singled out and mocked? On opposite day I guess Vegetarian chicken is still vegetarian so I don't know what your issue there even is</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unbridled9 08/08/18 7:33:15 PM #39:	Revelation34 posted... Unbridled9 posted... But their choice to eat some ice cream or basically any animal thing? 'Ice cream isn't an animal byproduct silly'. This doesn't happen. Yea. It does. Lots of times. People will claim that they're disabled, have a special lifestyle, or whatever to try and get free goods, sympathy, or moral brownie points without actually adhering to it. Like someone claiming that they're only eating kosher food so our asking if they'd like the bacon burger is offensive... before ordering oysters. There's plenty of stories on notalwaysright of similar things happening. To me, personally, I've had people who claim to be vegan asking if Sour Cream and cheese are acceptable and a vegetarian who firmly believed that bologna 'isn't real meat' and is, thusly, okay to eat. --- I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage <cite>Unbridled9 posted [p:906522977] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Unbridled9 posted...</cite> <quote>But their choice to eat some ice cream or basically any animal thing? 'Ice cream isn't an animal byproduct silly'.</quote> This doesn't happen.</quote> Yea. It does. Lots of times. People will claim that they're disabled, have a special lifestyle, or whatever to try and get free goods, sympathy, or moral brownie points without actually adhering to it. Like someone claiming that they're only eating kosher food so our asking if they'd like the bacon burger is offensive... before ordering oysters. There's plenty of stories on notalwaysright of similar things happening. To me, personally, I've had people who claim to be vegan asking if Sour Cream and cheese are acceptable and a vegetarian who firmly believed that bologna 'isn't real meat' and is, thusly, okay to eat.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doctor Foxx 08/08/18 7:40:33 PM #40:	Unbridled9 posted... Revelation34 posted... Unbridled9 posted... But their choice to eat some ice cream or basically any animal thing? 'Ice cream isn't an animal byproduct silly'. This doesn't happen. Yea. It does. Lots of times. People will claim that they're disabled, have a special lifestyle, or whatever to try and get free goods, sympathy, or moral brownie points without actually adhering to it. Like someone claiming that they're only eating kosher food so our asking if they'd like the bacon burger is offensive... before ordering oysters. There's plenty of stories on notalwaysright of similar things happening. To me, personally, I've had people who claim to be vegan asking if Sour Cream and cheese are acceptable and a vegetarian who firmly believed that bologna 'isn't real meat' and is, thusly, okay to eat. That's testament to how far removed what people eat is from what it once was and how easy it is too be ignorant of the realities of industrial food production. People learn. By definition vegans don't consume animal products for pleasure so you're dealing with confused vegetarians --- Never write off the Doctor! <cite>Doctor Foxx posted [p:906523412] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote><cite>Unbridled9 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Unbridled9 posted...</cite> <quote>But their choice to eat some ice cream or basically any animal thing? 'Ice cream isn't an animal byproduct silly'.</quote> This doesn't happen.</quote> Yea. It does. Lots of times. People will claim that they're disabled, have a special lifestyle, or whatever to try and get free goods, sympathy, or moral brownie points without actually adhering to it. Like someone claiming that they're only eating kosher food so our asking if they'd like the bacon burger is offensive... before ordering oysters. There's plenty of stories on notalwaysright of similar things happening. To me, personally, I've had people who claim to be vegan asking if Sour Cream and cheese are acceptable and a vegetarian who firmly believed that bologna 'isn't real meat' and is, thusly, okay to eat.</quote> That's testament to how far removed what people eat is from what it once was and how easy it is too be ignorant of the realities of industrial food production. People learn. By definition vegans don't consume animal products for pleasure so you're dealing with confused vegetarians </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mead 08/08/18 8:27:35 PM #42:	Mr Hangman posted... Not vegan, but this isn't that hard: a) A person can be vegan for health or other non-"ethical veganism" reasons and be pro-choice, or b) Chicken eggs are no more complex life than human fetuses, and it isn't about chicken "slavery", but rather that producing eggs at the scale we consume them necessitates abusive factory farming conditions for those chickens. It might be ok under certain circumstances but you don't want to add to the market demand while factory farming is the norm. This guy with his reasonable and level headed opinion, must be lost --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:906526271] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr Hangman posted...</cite> <quote>Not vegan, but this isn't that hard: a) A person can be vegan for health or other non-"ethical veganism" reasons and be pro-choice, or b) Chicken eggs are no more complex life than human fetuses, and it isn't about chicken "slavery", but rather that producing eggs at the scale we consume them necessitates abusive factory farming conditions for those chickens. It might be ok under certain circumstances but you don't want to add to the market demand while factory farming is the norm.</quote> This guy with his reasonable and level headed opinion, must be lost</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jramirez23 08/08/18 8:31:41 PM #43:	Well, if you are a vegan who supports abortion, then I imagine your thought process is that egg farming is inhumane because it causes pain to the chicken. You would probably also believe that fetuses are not sentient and do not feel pain. Do you see how their reasoning is now? I bet that most pro-choice vegans refuse to eat eggs not because they do not want to destroy potential life, but rather because they do not like the farming practices used to acquire eggs. Sure, you might ask "What about free-range eggs, or foraging for wild eggs?" but that goes beyond what is being discussed in this thread. --- I consider it completely unimportant who in the party will vote, or how; but what is extraordinarily important is this who will count the votes, and how. <cite>jramirez23 posted [p:906526521] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote>Well, if you are a vegan who supports abortion, then I imagine your thought process is that egg farming is inhumane because it causes pain to the chicken. You would probably also believe that fetuses are not sentient and do not feel pain. Do you see how their reasoning is now? I bet that most pro-choice vegans refuse to eat eggs not because they do not want to destroy potential life, but rather because they do not like the farming practices used to acquire eggs. Sure, you might ask "What about free-range eggs, or foraging for wild eggs?" but that goes beyond what is being discussed in this thread.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Unbridled9 08/08/18 8:54:28 PM #44:	Doctor Foxx posted... Unbridled9 posted... Revelation34 posted... Unbridled9 posted... But their choice to eat some ice cream or basically any animal thing? 'Ice cream isn't an animal byproduct silly'. This doesn't happen. Yea. It does. Lots of times. People will claim that they're disabled, have a special lifestyle, or whatever to try and get free goods, sympathy, or moral brownie points without actually adhering to it. Like someone claiming that they're only eating kosher food so our asking if they'd like the bacon burger is offensive... before ordering oysters. There's plenty of stories on notalwaysright of similar things happening. To me, personally, I've had people who claim to be vegan asking if Sour Cream and cheese are acceptable and a vegetarian who firmly believed that bologna 'isn't real meat' and is, thusly, okay to eat. That's testament to how far removed what people eat is from what it once was and how easy it is too be ignorant of the realities of industrial food production. People learn. By definition vegans don't consume animal products for pleasure so you're dealing with confused vegetarians No. It's a testament to how some people claim the lifestyle to sound high-and-mighty or because it's fashionable or whatever else without bothering to actually adhere to it. It doesn't take a genius to realize cheese and cream is an animal byproduct or that bologna isn't acceptable for a vegetarian lifestyle. The people just want to claim it to sound smug and superior. If you're actually vegetarian/vegan, bother to adhere, and aren't doing it to be a smug asshole, then I might actually respect your choice a bit. --- I am the gentle hand who heals, the happy smile who shields, and the foot that will kick your ***! - White Mage <cite>Unbridled9 posted [p:906527882] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote><cite>Doctor Foxx posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Unbridled9 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Revelation34 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Unbridled9 posted...</cite> <quote>But their choice to eat some ice cream or basically any animal thing? 'Ice cream isn't an animal byproduct silly'.</quote> This doesn't happen.</quote> Yea. It does. Lots of times. People will claim that they're disabled, have a special lifestyle, or whatever to try and get free goods, sympathy, or moral brownie points without actually adhering to it. Like someone claiming that they're only eating kosher food so our asking if they'd like the bacon burger is offensive... before ordering oysters. There's plenty of stories on notalwaysright of similar things happening. To me, personally, I've had people who claim to be vegan asking if Sour Cream and cheese are acceptable and a vegetarian who firmly believed that bologna 'isn't real meat' and is, thusly, okay to eat.</quote> That's testament to how far removed what people eat is from what it once was and how easy it is too be ignorant of the realities of industrial food production. People learn. By definition vegans don't consume animal products for pleasure so you're dealing with confused vegetarians </quote> No. It's a testament to how some people claim the lifestyle to sound high-and-mighty or because it's fashionable or whatever else without bothering to actually adhere to it. It doesn't take a genius to realize cheese and cream is an animal byproduct or that bologna isn't acceptable for a vegetarian lifestyle. The people just want to claim it to sound smug and superior. If you're actually vegetarian/vegan, bother to adhere, and aren't doing it to be a smug asshole, then I might actually respect your choice a bit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 08/08/18 9:02:37 PM #45:	If you're actually vegetarian/vegan, bother to adhere, and aren't doing it to be a smug asshole, then I might actually respect your choice a bit. Who even asked for your respect? If someone is vegan and is an asshole to you, by all means tell them off. However just because someone eats different food than you is a stupid reason to cast judgement and assume you know their personal motivations. --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:906528370] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote><quote>If you're actually vegetarian/vegan, bother to adhere, and aren't doing it to be a smug asshole, then I might actually respect your choice a bit.</quote> Who even asked for your respect? If someone is vegan and is an asshole to you, by all means tell them off. However just because someone eats different food than you is a stupid reason to cast judgement and assume you know their personal motivations.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 08/08/18 10:06:24 PM #46:	Mr Hangman posted... It might be ok under certain circumstances but you don't want to add to the market demand while factory farming is the norm. How would not using factory farming for your own eggs contribute to factory farming? --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:906532021] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr Hangman posted...</cite> <quote>It might be ok under certain circumstances but you don't want to add to the market demand while factory farming is the norm.</quote> How would not using factory farming for your own eggs contribute to factory farming?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SKARDAVNELNATE 08/08/18 10:28:09 PM #48:	If there is less demand for meat then the number of livestock would need to be reduced and fewer animals will be breed. If there are more abortions there will be less people to demand meat. Basically vegans want everything dead; human, animal, and plant. --- No locked doors, no windows barred. No more things to make my brain seem SKARD. Look at Mr. Technical over here >.> -BTB <cite>SKARDAVNELNATE posted [p:906533356] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote>If there is less demand for meat then the number of livestock would need to be reduced and fewer animals will be breed. If there are more abortions there will be less people to demand meat. Basically vegans want everything dead; human, animal, and plant.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Revelation34 08/09/18 3:03:00 AM #49:	Mr Hangman posted... Supply and demand. Your additional demand for the non-factory farmed eggs will raise their price, potentially forcing someone else out who will then buy cheaper factory farmed eggs. It's a small and indirect impact but if you have environmental concerns, that's the case with almost everything and it adds up. The price isn't higher because of demand. It's higher because the process is more expensive. People who would already buy something because of the environment isn't going to buy factory farmed eggs. --- Gamertag: Kegfarms, BF code: 2033480226, Treasure Cruise code 318,374,355, Steam: Kegfarms <cite>Revelation34 posted [p:906545938] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr Hangman posted...</cite> <quote>Supply and demand. Your additional demand for the non-factory farmed eggs will raise their price, potentially forcing someone else out who will then buy cheaper factory farmed eggs. It's a small and indirect impact but if you have environmental concerns, that's the case with almost everything and it adds up.</quote> The price isn't higher because of demand. It's higher because the process is more expensive. People who would already buy something because of the environment isn't going to buy factory farmed eggs.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Mead 08/09/18 7:44:32 AM #50:	SKARDAVNELNATE posted... If there is less demand for meat then the number of livestock would need to be reduced and fewer animals will be breed. If there are more abortions there will be less people to demand meat. Basically vegans want everything dead; human, animal, and plant. Have you seen the conditions a lot of animals are kept in and suffer through i in factory farms? Id say it is often worse than death --- If they drag you through the mud, it doesnt change whats in your blood <cite>Mead posted [p:906552118] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote><cite>SKARDAVNELNATE posted...</cite> <quote>If there is less demand for meat then the number of livestock would need to be reduced and fewer animals will be breed. If there are more abortions there will be less people to demand meat. Basically vegans want everything dead; human, animal, and plant.</quote> Have you seen the conditions a lot of animals are kept in and suffer through i in factory farms? Id say it is often worse than death</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SmokeMassTree 08/09/18 8:08:10 AM #51:	Zangulus posted... ninja_lootz posted... But they can't even eat them! Humans arent animals, dummy. They dont count. Wut --- A.K. 2/14/10 T.C.P. Victorious Champion of the 1st Annual POTd Hunger Games and the POTd Battle Royale Season 3 <cite>SmokeMassTree posted [p:906552721] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote><cite>Zangulus posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ninja_lootz posted...</cite> <quote>But they can't even eat them!</quote> Humans arent animals, dummy. They dont count.</quote> Wut</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Serdar 08/09/18 10:40:12 AM #52:	Vegans want to force everyone to be vegans. --- Hail Jesus! It (2017): The greatest thriller film ever! <cite>Serdar posted [p:906558604] in How do veg... [t:76875803]...</cite> <quote>Vegans want to force everyone to be vegans.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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