Current Events > 34 years ago, a KGB defector chillingly predicted modern America

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https://bigthink.com/paul-ratner/34-years-ago-a-kgb-defector-described-america-today

In 1984, Bezmenov gave an interview to G. Edward Griffin from which much can be learned today. His most chilling point was that theres a long-term plan put in play by Russia to defeat America through psychological warfare and demoralization. Its a long game that takes decades to achieve but it may already be bearing fruit.

Bezmenov made the point that the work of the KGB mainly does not involve espionage, despite what our popular culture may tell us. Most of the work, 85% of it, was a slow process which we call either ideological subversion, active measures, or psychological warfare.

What does that mean? Bezmenov explained that the most striking thing about ideological subversion is that it happens in the open as a legitimate process. You can see it with your own eyes, he said. The American media would be able to see it, if it just focused on it.

Heres how he further defined ideological subversion:

What it basically means is: to change the perception of reality of every American to such an extent that despite of the abundance of information no one is able to come to sensible conclusions in the interest of defending themselves, their families, their community, and their country.

Bezmenov described this process as a great brainwashing which has four basic stages. The first stage is called demoralization which takes from 15 to 20 years to achieve. According to the former KGB agent, that is the minimum number of years it takes to re-educate one generation of students that is normally exposed to the ideology of its country. In other words, the time it takes to change what the people are thinking.

He used the examples of 1960s hippies coming to positions of power in the '80s in the government and businesses of America. Bezmenov claimed this generation was already contaminated by Marxist-Leninist values. Of course, this claim that many baby boomers are somehow espousing KGB-tainted ideas is hard to believe but Bezmenovs larger point addressed why people who have been gradually demoralized are unable to understand that this has happened to them.

Referring to such people, Bezmenov said:

They are programmed to think and react to certain stimuli in a certain pattern [alluding to Pavlov]. You can not change their mind even if you expose them to authentic information. Even if you prove that white is white and black is black, you still can not change the basic perception and the logic of behavior.

Demoralization is a process that is irreversible. Bezmenov actually thought (back in 1984) that the process of demoralizing America was already completed. It would take another generation and another couple of decades to get the people to think differently and return to their patriotic American values, claimed the agent.

In what is perhaps a most striking passage in the interview, heres how Bezmenov described the state of a demoralized person:

As I mentioned before, exposure to true information does not matter anymore, said Bezmenov. A person who was demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him. Even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents, with pictures; even if I take him by force to the Soviet Union and show him [a] concentration camp, he will refuse to believe it, until he [receives] a kick in his fan-bottom. When a military boot crashes his balls then he will understand. But not before that. That's the [tragedy] of the situation of demoralization.

Its hard not to see in that the state of many modern Americans. We have become a society of polarized tribes, with some people flat out rejecting facts in favor of narratives and opinions.

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Once demoralization is completed, the second stage of ideological brainwashing is destabilization. During this two-to-five-year period, asserted Bezmenov, what matters is the targeting of essential structural elements of a nation: economy, foreign relations, and defense systems. Basically, the subverter (Russia) would look to destabilize every one of those areas in the United States, considerably weakening it.

The third stage would be crisis. It would take only up to six weeks to send a country into crisis, explained Bezmenov. The crisis would bring a violent change of power, structure, and economy and will be followed by the last stage, "normalization." Thats when your country is basically taken over, living under a new ideology and reality.

This will happen to America unless it gets rid of people who will bring it to a crisis, warned Bezmenov. Whats more if people will fail to grasp the impending danger of that development, nothing ever can help [the] United States, adding, You may kiss goodbye to your freedom.

It bears saying that when he made this statement, he was warning about baby boomers and Democrats of the time.

In another, somewhat terrifying excerpt, heres what Bezmenov had to say about what is really happening in the United States. It may think it is living in peace, but it has been actively at war with Russia. And for some time:

Most of the American politicians, media, and educational system trains another generation of people who think they are living at the peacetime, said the former KGB agent. False. United States is in a state of war: undeclared, total war against the basic principles and foundations of this system.

I guess that explains the influx of communists on CE and Reddit. Russia is desperately trying to divide this country using Marxist-Leninist values. We already have proof of Russia creating massive botnets full of thousands of Reddit, Facebook, etc, accounts to shitpost and try to change political opinions across the country.

I don't promote Stalinism.

Communism is the next evolution of society though.
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I beat you to your next post in your own topic.

bump

So now because of Trump the red scare was real all along?
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Proudclad still lives in the 50's.

silentwing26x posted...

It bears saying that when he made this statement, he was warning about baby boomers and Democrats of the time.

So he was spot on.
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-chillingly
If news wants to be taken more seriously they shouldn't use conditioning words in their headlines.
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in conclusion: read Brave New World

If Russia wants Alaska back they will have to fight for it. I don't know about you guys down south but in alaska people will kill to keep from becoming russian

It's just funny that the left hates Trump so much they're willing to admit to a cultural Marxism conspiracy as long as they can involve him in it somehow.
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Time to activate Liberty Prime
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silentwing26x posted...

Its hard not to see in that the state of many modern Americans. We have become a society of polarized tribes, with some people flat out rejecting facts in favor of narratives and opinions.

This is definitely true, x.x
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Zikten posted...

If Russia wants Alaska back they will have to fight for it. I don't know about you guys down south but in alaska people will kill to keep from becoming russian

why? you used to be owned by Russia.

maga!
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MorningRose posted...

silentwing26x posted...

Its hard not to see in that the state of many modern Americans. We have become a society of polarized tribes, with some people flat out rejecting facts in favor of narratives and opinions.

This is definitely true, x.x

Its always, ALWAYS, been this way
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SpiralDrift posted...

It's just funny that the left hates Trump so much they're willing to admit to a cultural Marxism conspiracy as long as they can involve him in it somehow.

That isn't even a thing that's happening
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ive been posting for years that people in america are brainwashed and people laugh at me. unfortunately nobody took this guy seriously before he ended up being right.
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

SpiralDrift posted...

It's just funny that the left hates Trump so much they're willing to admit to a cultural Marxism conspiracy as long as they can involve him in it somehow.

That isn't even a thing that's happening

Yeah, talk about reading comprehension fail

VectorChaos posted...

Time to activate Liberty Prime

Better hurry. Trumpicon is doing heavy damage.
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spudger posted...

Zikten posted...

If Russia wants Alaska back they will have to fight for it. I don't know about you guys down south but in alaska people will kill to keep from becoming russian

why? you used to be owned by Russia.

maga!

well one down side is that Alaska would suddenly not get US tv shows and I probably would get kicked off netflix, or be converted to Russian netflix which I bet sucks