Current Events > Socialist hero Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez doesn't understand basic economics

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Coffeebeanz
07/19/18 11:26:49 AM
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http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/jul/18/alexandria-ocasio-cortez/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-wrong-several-counts-abou/

Unseating Republicans would be so easy if Democrats avoided these candidates
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Antifar
07/19/18 11:27:20 AM
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She's going to beat the Republican by like 70 points, dude.
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Balrog0
07/19/18 11:28:22 AM
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that politifact link isnt working for me but if this is that interview she did with hoover then this is the most dumb attack on her I can imagine
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Coffeebeanz
07/19/18 11:29:46 AM
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Balrog0 posted...
that politifact link isnt working for me but if this is that interview she did with hoover then this is the most dumb attack on her I can imagine


She answered "why do you think unemployment is low" with "everyone is poor and has two jobs"
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NeonOctopus
07/19/18 11:33:06 AM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
She answered "why do you think unemployment is low" with "everyone is poor and has two jobs"

Is that real? What the fuck
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Balrog0
07/19/18 11:34:46 AM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
She answered "why do you think unemployment is low" with "everyone is poor and has two jobs"


when I thought that's what happened, I was ready to call her ignorant, too

however, upon actually watching the interview, you'll notice that she is not actually asked about unemployment at all. Hoover asks her if capitalism has 'failed to deliver for working class americans', or if it 'is no longer the best vehicle for working class americans.' part of the preface of her question was to say the economy was strong and unemployment was low.

in response, she said that the unemployment rate number is part of the problem. because we see that it is low, so every thing is fine. but it's low because everyone is working two jobs, and everyone is working 60, 70 hours a week to barely be able to feed their kids

to me the plain meaning of her statement is pretty obvious and she is not saying that people holding two jobs is causing the unemployment rate to drop at all. because that isn't what she was asked...
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Coffeebeanz
07/19/18 11:36:37 AM
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"Unemployment is low because everyone has two jobs. Unemployment is low because people are working 60, 70, 80 hours a week and can barely feed their family."

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Friday, July 13th, 2018 in an interview on PBS' "Firing Line"


For those wondering.
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Sayoria
07/19/18 11:37:16 AM
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As we learned, no congressman or woman knows economics. At all. Republicans have proven over the course of last year that they don't give a shit about it either.
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Balrog0
07/19/18 11:37:23 AM
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put another way, the unemployment rate can be low because we are so prosperous that robots do everything and nobody has a job, or the unemployment rate can be low because no one has anything and every one works their knuckles to the bone to scrape out an existence

she is saying we are in the latter situation, in order to diminish the importance of the unemployment rate

frankly this is the kind of argument I see libertarians and conservatives employ all the time -- it was quite popular to talk about how the unemployment rate obscures deeper problems in the economy when it was rising under Obama

*shrug*
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Bio1590
07/19/18 11:37:27 AM
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Coffeebeanz posted...

Unseating Republicans would be so easy if Democrats avoided these candidates

You do realize how Blue the district she's running is right
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NinjaWarrior455
07/19/18 11:38:30 AM
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Take your meds
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MC_BatCommander
07/19/18 11:44:41 AM
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it seems obvious to me she is saying that low unemployment doesn't mean everything is good. As she said, people are working two jobs and insane hours. Just because they're employed doesn't mean they are prosperous.
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Disrespector
07/19/18 11:50:04 AM
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MC_BatCommander posted...
it seems obvious to me she is saying that low unemployment doesn't mean everything is good. As she said, people are working two jobs and insane hours. Just because they're employed doesn't mean they are prosperous.

Yes well trumpanzees never let facts get in the way of their narrative lmao
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Balrog0
07/19/18 11:51:56 AM
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Just to emphasize, the question AOC was asked was not "why is the unemployment rate low?"
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KhanJohnny
07/19/18 11:52:13 AM
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MC_BatCommander posted...
it seems obvious to me she is saying that low unemployment doesn't mean everything is good. As she said, people are working two jobs and insane hours. Just because they're employed doesn't mean they are prosperous.

Yeah, and those things she said don't really seem to be true.

I'm not surprised because, at least in my experience, many, though by no means all, socialist reactionaries have very little understanding of economics.
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Balrog0
07/19/18 11:57:17 AM
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KhanJohnny posted...
MC_BatCommander posted...
it seems obvious to me she is saying that low unemployment doesn't mean everything is good. As she said, people are working two jobs and insane hours. Just because they're employed doesn't mean they are prosperous.

Yeah, and those things she said don't really seem to be true.

I'm not surprised because, at least in my experience, many, though by no means all, socialist reactionaries have very little understanding of economics.


it's weird to me that the conservative/libertarian commentators are focusing on this narrow unemployment rate thing when you can just note that her actual statements are wrong. barely anyone has multiple jobs and almost no one works 80 hours a week (the people who do are not poor)
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MC_BatCommander
07/19/18 11:58:33 AM
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Balrog0 posted...
KhanJohnny posted...
MC_BatCommander posted...
it seems obvious to me she is saying that low unemployment doesn't mean everything is good. As she said, people are working two jobs and insane hours. Just because they're employed doesn't mean they are prosperous.

Yeah, and those things she said don't really seem to be true.

I'm not surprised because, at least in my experience, many, though by no means all, socialist reactionaries have very little understanding of economics.


it's weird to me that the conservative/libertarian commentators are focusing on this narrow unemployment rate thing when you can just note that her actual statements are wrong. barely anyone has multiple jobs and almost no one works 80 hours a week (the people who do are not poor)


Yeah, she 's making an argument that is probably easy to beat with a bit of research but people are strawmanning it for some reason.
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SK8T3R215
07/19/18 11:59:23 AM
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Antifar posted...
She's going to beat the Republican by like 70 points, dude.


Can't wait for the Pappas wave to sweep him to victory.
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Antifar
07/19/18 12:00:18 PM
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KhanJohnny posted...
socialist reactionaries

Reactionary is a word that has a meaning. Its meaning is basically the opposite of socialist.
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KhanJohnny
07/19/18 12:04:17 PM
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Antifar posted...
KhanJohnny posted...
socialist reactionaries

Reactionary is a word that has a meaning. Its meaning is basically the opposite of socialist.

Fair enough. Perhaps demagogue is the better word.
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Balrog0
07/19/18 12:06:38 PM
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SK8T3R215 posted...
Antifar posted...
She's going to beat the Republican by like 70 points, dude.


Can't wait for the Pappas wave to sweep him to victory.


he's not so bad, he wants more progressive taxes, especially on corporations
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averagejoel
07/19/18 12:06:51 PM
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Antifar posted...
KhanJohnny posted...
socialist reactionaries

Reactionary is a word that has a meaning. Its meaning is basically the opposite of socialist.

*Rainier Wolfcastle voice* commie-nazis
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Antifar
07/19/18 12:07:40 PM
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@Balrog0 This is sort of tangential, but did you see the thing where Joe Lieberman is urging people to vote Crowley in November? Christ
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Balrog0
07/19/18 12:08:29 PM
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I saw that he wrote an op-ed to that end, but I have not wasted my time actually reading it and don't plan to lol

Ridiculous
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treewojima
07/19/18 12:09:12 PM
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this is the same exact topic that Mal_Fet made a little while back, and it draws the same incorrect conclusions
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NibeIungsnarf
07/19/18 12:11:35 PM
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Isn't TC a Trump slurper?

This topic seems somewhat hypocritical if so.
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Balrog0
07/19/18 12:11:48 PM
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NibeIungsnarf posted...
Isn't TC a Trump slurper?


no
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Coffeebeanz
07/19/18 12:12:47 PM
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NibeIungsnarf posted...
Isn't TC a Trump slurper?

This topic seems somewhat hypocritical if so.


Hell no.
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Bio1590
07/19/18 12:13:27 PM
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NibeIungsnarf posted...
Isn't TC a Trump slurper?

This topic seems somewhat hypocritical if so.

No but she's repeatedly proven that there's no point in taking anything she says seriously.
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NibeIungsnarf
07/19/18 12:14:24 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
no

Coffeebeanz posted...
Hell no.

Fair enough, my mistake.
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Solid Snake07
07/19/18 12:14:55 PM
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Yeah no shit, she's a socialist
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Payzmaykr
07/19/18 12:15:12 PM
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Antifar posted...
She's going to beat the Republican by like 70 points, dude.

Exactly.

Then, you guys will have a socialist with a bunch of establishment democrats. You guys would have been better off electing somebody straight from the GOP because socialists and democrats dont work together (see Bernie vs Hillary).

This is going to cause turmoil in the dnc because shes not going to work with them, and theyre not going to cave and start doing things her way.
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Antifar
07/19/18 12:16:40 PM
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Payzmaykr posted...
You guys would have been better off electing somebody straight from the GOP

w h a t

Payzmaykr posted...
socialists and democrats dont work together (see Bernie vs Hillary).

Bernie campaigned for Hillary. You know that, right?

Payzmaykr posted...
This is going to cause turmoil in the dnc because shes not going to work with them

Good.
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Bio1590
07/19/18 12:22:03 PM
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Antifar posted...
Payzmaykr posted...
You guys would have been better off electing somebody straight from the GOP

w h a t

Payzmaykr posted...
socialists and democrats dont work together (see Bernie vs Hillary).

Bernie campaigned for Hillary. You know that, right?

Payzmaykr posted...
This is going to cause turmoil in the dnc because shes not going to work with them

Good.

>2018
>taking anything southcoast says seriously
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Omnislasher
07/19/18 12:59:01 PM
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Balrog0
07/19/18 1:00:48 PM
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Omnislasher posted...
unemployment statistics deceive you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0i1T72jfoWA" data-time="&start=594


yep, just like Trump told me so as well
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darkjedilink
07/19/18 10:52:32 PM
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Balrog0 posted...
KhanJohnny posted...
MC_BatCommander posted...
it seems obvious to me she is saying that low unemployment doesn't mean everything is good. As she said, people are working two jobs and insane hours. Just because they're employed doesn't mean they are prosperous.

Yeah, and those things she said don't really seem to be true.

I'm not surprised because, at least in my experience, many, though by no means all, socialist reactionaries have very little understanding of economics.


it's weird to me that the conservative/libertarian commentators are focusing on this narrow unemployment rate thing when you can just note that her actual statements are wrong. barely anyone has multiple jobs and almost no one works 80 hours a week (the people who do are not poor)

Those are the exact things stated in the Politifact link in the OP.
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Manocheese
07/19/18 10:55:50 PM
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Socialist... doesn't understand basic economics

In other breaking news, water is wet.
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darkjedilink
07/19/18 10:56:06 PM
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MC_BatCommander posted...
it seems obvious to me she is saying that low unemployment doesn't mean everything is good. As she said, people are working two jobs and insane hours. Just because they're employed doesn't mean they are prosperous.

Except that, when you look at the broader picture, she's still wrong. Fewer people are working "more hours" now than in the late '90's, despite us having lower unemployment than then AND a better economy overall. Fewer people as a percentage of Americans are working multiple jobs than that timeframe, too.

What does this mean? Well, on top of the fact that there are more millionaires and billionaires now than ever before (even self-made ones), the "golden age" of the late '90's that saw record economic growth for America has been surpassed. This idea that things are tough now is blatantly false, her statements are idiocy, as are people who defend her statements.
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1337toothbrush
07/19/18 11:07:54 PM
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Idiots will take these quotes out of context and claim "teh libruls" don't understand economics, then they'll turn around and argue in favor of tax cuts for the rich to "stimulate the economy".
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Shuto-uke
07/19/18 11:09:46 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2018/jul/18/alexandria-ocasio-cortez/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-wrong-several-counts-abou/

Unseating Republicans would be so easy if Democrats avoided these candidates


she's a moron.

But trump, Santorum and the rest of the GOP stable are just as dumb and that never mattered. Do you remember the "you take coal and then you clean it, it's clean coal" stuff? lol
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darkjedilink
07/19/18 11:53:52 PM
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1337toothbrush posted...
Idiots will take these quotes out of context and claim "teh libruls" don't understand economics, then they'll turn around and argue in favor of tax cuts for the rich to "stimulate the economy".

You would argue that a flat reduction of 20 percent for everyone is a tax cut "for the rich" because rich people would get more money.
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