Current Events > What do you think of Joe Rogan?

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I like Rogan. I don't watch every one of his shows, because I don't have time to spend on a three hour long podcast every other day, but I do watch the ones that have interesting guests.
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Jamie, pull that shit up
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Joe Rogan is probably the worst person who gets the least amount of flack for it
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averagejoel posted...

Joe Rogan is probably the worst person who gets the least amount of flack for it

literally the worst. never been anyone worse.

I kind of suspect the people who most dislike Rogan are probably pretty far to the Left on the political spectrum.
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Esrac posted...

I kind of suspect the people who most dislike Rogan are probably pretty far to the Left on the political spectrum.

Funny cuz hes left on a lot of shit
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E32005 posted...

Esrac posted...

I kind of suspect the people who most dislike Rogan are probably pretty far to the Left on the political spectrum.

Funny cuz hes left on a lot of shit

I'd say he's a centrist/libertarian probably so yeah...

DeadSite posted...

E32005 posted...

Esrac posted...

I kind of suspect the people who most dislike Rogan are probably pretty far to the Left on the political spectrum.

Funny cuz hes left on a lot of shit

I'd say he's a centrist/libertarian probably so yeah...

I mean, people that are pretty far Left can be remarkably hostile to people who are more moderately Left. Especially if those moderates ever have a conversation with people on the Right.
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I'm far left and I love JRE. I just wish it was shorter. I can't spend 4 hours listening to Rogan talk about how we've evolved from apes eating shrooms every other day.
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Smashingpmkns posted...

I'm far left and I love JRE. I just wish it was shorter. I can't spend 4 hours listening to Rogan talk about how we've evolved from apes eating shrooms every other day.

There is a reason I don't watch every episode. I think the last one I watched was either the one with Kevin Smith or Candace Owens.

I'm not a dog lover, but the part in the Smith show where they were talking about losing the dogs was a bit heartbreaking.

I like that he didn't just let Owens get away with her climate change denialism unchallenged. Made her look really ignorant on the subject.

I did watch some of the episode with Dave Rubin, but got bored halfway through and cut it off.
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Esrac posted...

DeadSite posted...

E32005 posted...

Esrac posted...

I kind of suspect the people who most dislike Rogan are probably pretty far to the Left on the political spectrum.

Funny cuz hes left on a lot of shit

I'd say he's a centrist/libertarian probably so yeah...

I mean, people that are pretty far Left can be remarkably hostile to people who are more moderately Left. Especially if those moderates ever have a conversation with people on the Right.

there's a much bigger gap between far left and moderate left than there is between moderate left and far right
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averagejoel posted...

there's a much bigger gap between far left and moderate left than there is between moderate left and far right

it's sad that you actually have convinced yourself this is true
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Balrog0 posted...

averagejoel posted...

there's a much bigger gap between far left and moderate left than there is between moderate left and far right

it's sad that you actually have convinced yourself this is true

They have, I think, a very low threshold for what they consider far right.
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Yeah I see more problems with the people who hate Rogan than Rogan himself
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Extremists on either side don't like Rogan because he will talk to people from all walks of life and beliefs. He's really good at asking questions without being belligerent in order to have his guests explain themselves as best they can.

In today's toxic climate of zero compromise and not even listening to differing viewpoints that's seen as a crime of the highest order.

A lot of people today want affirmation, not information.
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Balrog0 posted...

averagejoel posted...

there's a much bigger gap between far left and moderate left than there is between moderate left and far right

it's sad that you actually have convinced yourself this is true

well, I guess it depends what you mean by "moderate left"

I would define it, essentially, as someone who:
-might support some social justice things
-might support some social programs
-might support some workers' rights issues

but still thinks that capitalism is good and/or hasn't outlived its usefulness

the last point is the most important one. if they don't see capitalism as inherently exploitative, then they're more similar to the right than to the far left
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Vyrulisse posted...

Extremists on either side don't like Rogan because he will talk to people from all walks of life and beliefs. He's really good at asking questions without being belligerent in order to have his guests explain themselves as best they can.

In today's toxic climate of zero compromise and not even listening to differing viewpoints that's seen as a crime of the highest order.

A lot of people today want affirmation, not information.

But he's soooooo full of himself
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Balrog0 posted...

averagejoel posted...

there's a much bigger gap between far left and moderate left than there is between moderate left and far right

it's sad that you actually have convinced yourself this is true

To be fair, there's been a large scale propaganda effort to convince people of such things.
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Vyrulisse posted...

Extremists on either side don't like Rogan because he will talk to people from all walks of life and beliefs. He's really good at asking questions without being belligerent in order to have his guests explain themselves as best they can.

In today's toxic climate of zero compromise and not even listening to differing viewpoints that's seen as a crime of the highest order.

A lot of people today want affirmation, not information.

Maybe, but I think people further to the right may have a more favorable opinion of him because he's had on people like Milo Yiannopoulos, Candace Owens, or Ben Shapiro at all. And people further on the left embrace the "no platforming" thing for anyone on the right.
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COVxy posted...

Balrog0 posted...

averagejoel posted...

there's a much bigger gap between far left and moderate left than there is between moderate left and far right

it's sad that you actually have convinced yourself this is true

To be fair, there's been a large scale propaganda effort to convince people of such things.

the difference between "we should destroy this system and replace it with a better one" vs. "we should keep this system and try to make it slightly better but also compromise with the people who want to make it worse" vs. "we should keep this exactly as is and change nothing" vs. "we should enhance the system and make it better for like 90 specific people"
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I'll just note that by setting your terms that way, you're diminishing concrete agreements on material concerns in favor of ideological preferences. But politics isn't a debate team or a philosophy club.
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COVxy posted...

Balrog0 posted...

averagejoel posted...

there's a much bigger gap between far left and moderate left than there is between moderate left and far right

it's sad that you actually have convinced yourself this is true

To be fair, there's been a large scale propaganda effort to convince people of such things.

That is probably a fair point under most circumstances. There has been a lot of effort by the Right to make the Liberals and the Left the be way out there. But in this particular case, he is responding to averagejoel, an actual communist who not long ago advocated for killing the families that own businesses like Walmart.

To his credit, he did later specify that was only if they can't be adequately reeducated.
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Esrac posted...

COVxy posted...

Balrog0 posted...

averagejoel posted...

there's a much bigger gap between far left and moderate left than there is between moderate left and far right

it's sad that you actually have convinced yourself this is true

To be fair, there's been a large scale propaganda effort to convince people of such things.

That is probably a fair point under most circumstances. There has been a lot of effort by the Right to make the Liberals and the Left the be way out there. But in this particular case, he is responding to averagejoel, an actual communist who not long ago advocated for killing the families that own businesses like Walmart.

To his credit, he did later specify that was only if they can't be adequately reeducated.

What the fuck?
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essentially, "probably supports stuff that would help the marginalized and working class, maybe even a lot, but doesn't hate capitalism enough to want to employ rhetoric about destroying it'

I sure hope most socialists don't have that kind of praxis
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Vyrulisse posted...

Esrac posted...

COVxy posted...

Balrog0 posted...

averagejoel posted...

there's a much bigger gap between far left and moderate left than there is between moderate left and far right

it's sad that you actually have convinced yourself this is true

To be fair, there's been a large scale propaganda effort to convince people of such things.

That is probably a fair point under most circumstances. There has been a lot of effort by the Right to make the Liberals and the Left the be way out there. But in this particular case, he is responding to averagejoel, an actual communist who not long ago advocated for killing the families that own businesses like Walmart.

To his credit, he did later specify that was only if they can't be adequately reeducated.

What the fuck?

Yeah, I think even Rebel called him on that.

But what did you think communists mean when they advocate for revolution and seizing the means of production?
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averagejoel posted...

Joe Rogan is probably the worst person who gets the least amount of flack for it

You gonna call him out on his bullshit? Hes huge and violent.

Ill give him credit, I think hes a pretty smart guy, but he suffers from the same problem I do in thinking hes way wiser than he actually is
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Balrog0 posted...

essentially, "probably supports stuff that would help the marginalized and working class, maybe even a lot, but doesn't hate capitalism enough to want to employ rhetoric about destroying it'

I sure hope most socialists don't have that kind of praxis

are you familiar with the term "critical support"?

many socialists in the US voted for Clinton, and many supported Sanders before that, despite neither being a socialist.

I have worked with socdems and demsocs and liberals despite our ideological differences, so don't go insulting me just because I talk about this shit online
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How could anybody hate on Joe Rogan?
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averagejoel posted...

COVxy posted...

Balrog0 posted...

averagejoel posted...

there's a much bigger gap between far left and moderate left than there is between moderate left and far right

it's sad that you actually have convinced yourself this is true

To be fair, there's been a large scale propaganda effort to convince people of such things.

the difference between "we should destroy this system and replace it with a better one" vs. "we should keep this system and try to make it slightly better but also compromise with the people who want to make it worse" vs. "we should keep this exactly as is and change nothing" vs. "we should enhance the system and make it better for like 90 specific people"

yet the solution you try to offer literally fails every single time it's ever tried

the best form of society you're realistically ever going to get is social democracy as per norway, denmark and such, but those nations are still capitalist

unchecked capitalism doesn't work, but regulated capitalism in the examples listed above works extremely well

i support social democracy but i will never, ever support socialism, because even in theory it requires the oppression of literally everyone but the revolutionaries who inevitably end up with all the fucking money, and the denial of private property rights among other basic libertarian principles

the working class will never get on board with socialism or communism, believe it or not they actually want to keep the property they worked for rather than having it appropriated by the government

Captain_Qwark posted...

He's great

People who hate him are usually super extreme with their political views

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Esrac posted...

Vyrulisse posted...

Esrac posted...

COVxy posted...

Balrog0 posted...

averagejoel posted...

there's a much bigger gap between far left and moderate left than there is between moderate left and far right

it's sad that you actually have convinced yourself this is true

To be fair, there's been a large scale propaganda effort to convince people of such things.

That is probably a fair point under most circumstances. There has been a lot of effort by the Right to make the Liberals and the Left the be way out there. But in this particular case, he is responding to averagejoel, an actual communist who not long ago advocated for killing the families that own businesses like Walmart.

To his credit, he did later specify that was only if they can't be adequately reeducated.

What the fuck?

Yeah, I think even Rebel called him on that.

But what did you think communists mean when they advocate for revolution and seizing the means of production?

What does even Rebel mean?

I despise communists and think hes an awful poster.

But its funny that he thinks im closer to Nazis than to him because im not entirely anti-capitalist lmao
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is averagejoel literally still polluting this board with literal communism in 2018
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ASithLord7 posted...

Esrac posted...

Vyrulisse posted...

Esrac posted...

COVxy posted...

Balrog0 posted...

averagejoel posted...

there's a much bigger gap between far left and moderate left than there is between moderate left and far right

it's sad that you actually have convinced yourself this is true

To be fair, there's been a large scale propaganda effort to convince people of such things.

That is probably a fair point under most circumstances. There has been a lot of effort by the Right to make the Liberals and the Left the be way out there. But in this particular case, he is responding to averagejoel, an actual communist who not long ago advocated for killing the families that own businesses like Walmart.

To his credit, he did later specify that was only if they can't be adequately reeducated.

What the fuck?

Yeah, I think even Rebel called him on that.

But what did you think communists mean when they advocate for revolution and seizing the means of production?

What does even Rebel mean?

I despise communists and think hes an awful poster.

But its funny that he thinks im closer to Nazis than to him because im not entirely anti-capitalist lmao

i think he's saying youre pretty left leaning but still oppose literal communism.

and yeah averagejoel would say youre literally a nazi for disagreeing with him. no joke. it's a common communist rhetorical trick to label capitalists as nazis.
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Hes alright. His guests are more interesting.
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Kyurem-BIack posted...

yet the solution you try to offer literally fails every single time it's ever tried

do you think it might have turned out better if the US and Britain didn't do everything in their power to ensure it failed every time?

Kyurem-BIack posted...

the best form of society you're realistically ever going to get is social democracy as per norway, denmark and such, but those nations are still capitalist

unchecked capitalism doesn't work, but regulated capitalism in the examples listed above works extremely well

currently functional, but crumbling welfare states? no thanks. social democracy is not sustainable, and it's largely worked out for those countries so far because they were already wealthy
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Listening to Peter schiff podcast now
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E32005 posted...

Listening to Peter schiff podcast now

I like Schiff...he does talk a lot of shit though so you have to be prepared

but I agree with him largely on economics...its just he sprinkles in a lot of talking points and its annoying sometimes

good podcast though, he made me want to move to puerto rico

ASithLord7 posted...

Esrac posted...

Vyrulisse posted...

Esrac posted...

COVxy posted...

Balrog0 posted...

averagejoel posted...

there's a much bigger gap between far left and moderate left than there is between moderate left and far right

it's sad that you actually have convinced yourself this is true

To be fair, there's been a large scale propaganda effort to convince people of such things.

That is probably a fair point under most circumstances. There has been a lot of effort by the Right to make the Liberals and the Left the be way out there. But in this particular case, he is responding to averagejoel, an actual communist who not long ago advocated for killing the families that own businesses like Walmart.

To his credit, he did later specify that was only if they can't be adequately reeducated.

What the fuck?

Yeah, I think even Rebel called him on that.

But what did you think communists mean when they advocate for revolution and seizing the means of production?

What does even Rebel mean?

I despise communists and think hes an awful poster.

But its funny that he thinks im closer to Nazis than to him because im not entirely anti-capitalist lmao

I was going to clarify, but FLUFFYGERM basically covered it. You both seem to lean relatively far to the left on this board, but even you will call him on his communist nonsense.
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Esrac posted...

I was going to clarify, but FLUFFYGERM basically covered it. You both seem to lean relatively far to the left on this board, but even you will call him on his communist nonsense.

you think fluffygerm is "relatively far to the left"?
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averagejoel posted...

Esrac posted...

I was going to clarify, but FLUFFYGERM basically covered it. You both seem to lean relatively far to the left on this board, but even you will call him on his communist nonsense.

you think fluffygerm is "relatively far to the left"?

Jesus Christ, are you that dense?
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averagejoel posted...

Kyurem-BIack posted...

yet the solution you try to offer literally fails every single time it's ever tried

do you think it might have turned out better if the US and Britain didn't do everything in their power to ensure it failed every time?

Kyurem-BIack posted...

the best form of society you're realistically ever going to get is social democracy as per norway, denmark and such, but those nations are still capitalist

unchecked capitalism doesn't work, but regulated capitalism in the examples listed above works extremely well

currently functional, but crumbling welfare states? no thanks. social democracy is not sustainable, and it's largely worked out for those countries so far because they were already wealthy

Crumbling lmao. Guess we know who *really* has more in common with the far right than he likes to admit
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I listen to Stonecold Podcast. Now he's 100% real and not some "I think I'm real smart" kind of PoS like Rogan.
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Basically, I've retained substantial evidence that shows that averagejoel is fucking clueless - be confident in ignoring what he has to say because the dude is basically just indoctrinated into religious Marxism and refuses to see reason.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Basically, I've retained substantial evidence that shows that averagejoel is fucking clueless - be confident in ignoring what he has to say because the dude is basically just indoctrinated into religious Marxism and refuses to see reason.

Does he or has he ever had a job? Do you think those who are really indoctrinated tend to be the types that are lazy? Or those that simply don't have any skills...or a combo of both

Im pretty far left and even I like the guy
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Romes187 posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Basically, I've retained substantial evidence that shows that averagejoel is fucking clueless - be confident in ignoring what he has to say because the dude is basically just indoctrinated into religious Marxism and refuses to see reason.

Does he or has he ever had a job? Do you think those who are really indoctrinated tend to be the types that are lazy? Or those that simply don't have any skills...or a combo of both

IIRC he teaches music for a living. So I think he just never majored in anything that required much thought and blames his low income on capitalists taking advantage of him when in reality he simply didn't invest time into developing skills that are in demand.
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FLUFFYGERM posted...

Romes187 posted...

FLUFFYGERM posted...

Basically, I've retained substantial evidence that shows that averagejoel is fucking clueless - be confident in ignoring what he has to say because the dude is basically just indoctrinated into religious Marxism and refuses to see reason.

Does he or has he ever had a job? Do you think those who are really indoctrinated tend to be the types that are lazy? Or those that simply don't have any skills...or a combo of both

IIRC he teaches music for a living. So I think he just never majored in anything that required much thought and blames his low income on capitalists taking advantage of him when in reality he simply didn't invest time into developing skills that are in demand.

Hmm I know a few people that teach music that make okay money...teach as in they teach a high school band or something

dunno about private lessons but I've given guitar lessons before and its a grind but a good way to make dough when learning a skill that translates better to wealth