Current Events > Police accuse black teens of dine/dine at IHOP despite proof of receipts

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SomeGuyUO
07/17/18 10:56:26 PM
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CLAYTON, Mo. -- The Clayton Police Department has issued an apology after its police officers falsely accused 10 Washington University students of not paying for their meal at an IHOP restaurant the night of July 7, reports CBS St. Louis affiliate KMOV-TV. The black incoming freshmen had just left the eatery when they were stopped by police, school officials confirmed.

Clayton police officers then made the students walk back to the restaurant, despite being shown some receipts proving the students had paid for the meals.

After officers escorted the students back to the IHOP, the manager said the students weren't the suspects.

The manager had contacted police to report that a $60 tab wasn't paid by a group of black customers. That's the procedure called for by IHOP policy.

A short time later, police spotted the group of teens. Police say they were stopped because they were the only ones nearby with IHOP bags in hand and were black.

The 10, who were on campus as part of a summer program, told KMOV-TV they felt that they'd been racially profiled.

Were they? ""I don't know how you can take that into account," Clayton Police Chief Kevin Murphy told KMOV-TV.

The school issued a statement expressing disappointment over the false accusations.

"The fact that these students, all of whom are African American, were scared and humiliated is unacceptable to us," Washington University said in the statement. "We have shared the sentiment with the City of Clayton and have had an opportunity to meet with city leaders to reiterate our concerns."

The Clayton P.D. said the IHOP involved had 45 "dine and dash" calls since January and that "collateral damage" such as the incident involving the students was an "additional cost of this kind of criminal activity."

The department also said it's open to ways it can perform better in similar situations.

"Our department has and will continue to study what could have been done better in this and in all incidents where we have complaints," the Clayton PD said in its statement. "Even without any apparent policy or legal violations, we look for ways to improve and make our officers even more effective in positive interactions."

An IHOP spokesman told News 4 "discrimination of any kind is not tolerated," when asked for comment.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ihop-10-black-students-falsely-accused-dine-and-dash-clayton-missiouri-racial-profiling/
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SomeGuyUO
07/17/18 10:56:46 PM
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The full statement released by the Clayton P.D.:

We are so sorry this was the start for these newest Washington University in St. Louis Bears. For more than one hundred years we have welcomed university students from around the world to be a part of our community. While it is our duty to respond when businesses call for help, we aim to do this in a way that is as respectful and safe for all concerned as we can be. Chief Murphy has reached out to the university within hours of hearing about this to try to meet with these students to both hear what they have to say, but also to assure them (and their families who may be distant) that Clayton and Washington University have a long and proud tradition of safety and support for all students.

This particular restaurant has had 45 "dine and dash" calls since January. It is sad and unfortunate that so many people treat this business this way. The additional cost of this kind of criminal activity is that it leaves the community open to collateral damage such as this incident. Our department has and will continue to study what could have been done better in this and in all incidents where we have complaints. Even without any apparent policy or legal violations, we look for ways to improve and make our officers even more effective in positive interactions.

Outside of learning how to be better, we are most concerned at this point with restoring the confidence of these newest Clayton residents that they are safe and welcome in Clayton. We look forward to meeting with them soon.
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OpShaft
07/17/18 10:57:56 PM
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Ah, the old dine and dine. Classic
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Monolith1676
07/17/18 10:58:14 PM
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They found a group that fit the description and made contact with them until everything was sorted out.
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TheDarkCircle
07/17/18 10:58:43 PM
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dine and dine
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muchdran
07/17/18 10:58:49 PM
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Dine and dine I still do this
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SomeGuyUO
07/17/18 10:58:57 PM
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Edit: dine and dash

Monolith1676 posted...
They found a group that fit the description and made contact with them until everything was sorted out.


Receipts should have sorted it out.
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SauI_Goodman
07/17/18 10:59:33 PM
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I have never heard of dine and dine. Is that when you eat 2 meals at the same restaurant and then pay for it?
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E32005
07/17/18 11:00:09 PM
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how bout when they show you fucking receipts, you leave em the fuck alone??

literally "i dont belive your fucking printed piece of paper from the store because your black"

probably cops 4 trump
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Fony
07/17/18 11:00:33 PM
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Should check if they sexually assaulted anyone during their meal.
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Ryangrad
07/17/18 11:00:59 PM
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TheSextMachine
07/17/18 11:04:41 PM
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SomeGuyUO posted...
Edit: dine and dash

Monolith1676 posted...
They found a group that fit the description and made contact with them until everything was sorted out.


Receipts should have sorted it out.

I knew someone that would look for reciepts that were left behind and use them to con free shit from stores and fast food places.
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Oh_Boy_
07/17/18 11:04:43 PM
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Showed receipts but still marched back.
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E32005
07/17/18 11:05:34 PM
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TheSextMachine posted...
SomeGuyUO posted...
Edit: dine and dash

Monolith1676 posted...
They found a group that fit the description and made contact with them until everything was sorted out.


Receipts should have sorted it out.

I knew someone that would look for reciepts that were left behind and use them to con free shit from stores and fast food places.

lol. doesnt justify this.
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SomeGuyUO
07/17/18 11:06:49 PM
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TheSextMachine posted...
SomeGuyUO posted...
Edit: dine and dash

Monolith1676 posted...
They found a group that fit the description and made contact with them until everything was sorted out.


Receipts should have sorted it out.

I knew someone that would look for reciepts that were left behind and use them to con free shit from stores and fast food places.


They had the items on the receipt with them.
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SauI_Goodman
07/17/18 11:06:52 PM
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TheSextMachine posted...
SomeGuyUO posted...
Edit: dine and dash

Monolith1676 posted...
They found a group that fit the description and made contact with them until everything was sorted out.


Receipts should have sorted it out.

I knew someone that would look for reciepts that were left behind and use them to con free shit from stores and fast food places.


We called them receipt shoppers. They would sit in the parking lot and wait for people to throw away their receipts. They'd go in the trash and look for the ones paid for in cash and then go back in the store and find the items.
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Monolith1676
07/17/18 11:08:36 PM
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They took them back to the restaurant to do a field show up with the staff and then let go. Simple process with the vague description they were given.
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joestarrr
07/17/18 11:12:46 PM
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you mean IHOB
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Dat_Cracka_Jax
07/17/18 11:12:52 PM
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SomeGuyUO posted...
TheSextMachine posted...
SomeGuyUO posted...
Edit: dine and dash

Monolith1676 posted...
They found a group that fit the description and made contact with them until everything was sorted out.


Receipts should have sorted it out.

I knew someone that would look for reciepts that were left behind and use them to con free shit from stores and fast food places.


They had the items on the receipt with them.

I didn't see that in the story posted. Also, it says they produced SOME receipts. They had no way of knowing that 3 or four dashed. It was only $60, so obviously some paid.

Once it was straightened out, they went on their way. QQ
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AvantgardeAClue
07/17/18 11:22:53 PM
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Whoever gave the description "they were black" need to pay a bit more attention. And get punished.

If it was any other race I'm sure they'd ask for clothes/body appearance/other characteristics
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boxington
07/17/18 11:24:45 PM
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Conflict posted...
Black people can't do anything in this country without people suspecting them of shit lol

black people are going to stay home more often due to this shit.

...and their neighbors will call the police on them because it's "suspicious behavior"
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muchdran
07/17/18 11:27:24 PM
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They used fake receipts wtf
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LedZeppelin
07/17/18 11:27:33 PM
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fair, next. the suspects were black and they were the only ones matching that description. the receipts they had easily could have been faked or doctored.

stop overreacting and making it seem like they were brutalized. the cops were just doing their due diligence for this call.
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Le__seul_dieu__
07/17/18 11:30:04 PM
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joestarrr posted...
you mean IHOB

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SauI_Goodman
07/17/18 11:31:03 PM
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Are we sure bbq becky wasn't in the restaurant and called the police

https://www.dailydot.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/becky-bbqing-while-black-800x400.jpg
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Le__seul_dieu__
07/17/18 11:31:12 PM
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LedZeppelin posted...
fair, next. the suspects were black and they were the only ones matching that description. the receipts they had easily could have been faked or doctored.

stop overreacting and making it seem like they were brutalized. the cops were just doing their due diligence for this call.

yikes. imagine being this blind to racial profiling.
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Monolith1676
07/17/18 11:37:38 PM
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Le__seul_dieu__ posted...
LedZeppelin posted...
fair, next. the suspects were black and they were the only ones matching that description. the receipts they had easily could have been faked or doctored.

stop overreacting and making it seem like they were brutalized. the cops were just doing their due diligence for this call.

yikes. imagine being this blind to racial profiling.


There is no racial profiling, they were given the description of a group of black people.
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Dat_Cracka_Jax
07/18/18 7:27:43 AM
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Monolith1676 posted...
Le__seul_dieu__ posted...
LedZeppelin posted...
fair, next. the suspects were black and they were the only ones matching that description. the receipts they had easily could have been faked or doctored.

stop overreacting and making it seem like they were brutalized. the cops were just doing their due diligence for this call.

yikes. imagine being this blind to racial profiling.


There is no racial profiling, they were given the description of a group of black people.

Exactly! Real racial profiling is pulling a black guy over for going three over because you think it's suspicious for a black person to be in the area.
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008Zulu
07/18/18 7:38:04 AM
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There was an old comedy vampire movie, can't remember the name of it, where a white cop was interrogating a black perp. The perp said something like "It wasn't me, and you know we all look alike." the cop interrogating him agreed with him.

Not saying that to be funny, but to illustrate my point; That cops in America can't tell black people apart.
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gunplagirl
07/18/18 7:41:42 AM
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"We racially profiled, this is entirely the fault of the real culprits and we aren't responsible in the slightest over what we did"

Classic "apology" tactic, avoid actually acknowledging any wrongdoing and deflect any guilt that might be there
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eston
07/18/18 7:53:49 AM
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Who fakes or doctors a receipt in order to dine and dash? I'm not even sure that makes sense, unless standing around outside and waiting for the cops was part of the plan.

I swear some of you need to go outside once in awhile and interact with actual people
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CyricZ
07/18/18 7:56:22 AM
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Dine and dine is where you eat the meal, they bring you the check, and then you eat the check so there's no evidence remaining.
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Kineth
07/18/18 8:06:21 AM
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At least the PD issued an apology.
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UnfairRepresent
07/18/18 8:07:27 AM
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CyricZ posted...
Dine and dine is where you eat the meal, they bring you the check, and then you eat the check so there's no evidence remaining.

Dastardly
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pikachupwnage
07/18/18 8:15:09 AM
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TheSextMachine posted...
SomeGuyUO posted...
Edit: dine and dash

Monolith1676 posted...
They found a group that fit the description and made contact with them until everything was sorted out.


Receipts should have sorted it out.

I knew someone that would look for reciepts that were left behind and use them to con free shit from stores and fast food places.


I throw away any abandoned receipts I see at my work.

Anyways this wouldve been fine if the receipts ended it.
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Ving_Rhames
07/18/18 8:25:56 AM
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Receipts generally have a time stamp on them, and names if paid via credit card. They could have easily just asked for identity + receipt instead of marching them back into IHOP.

LedZeppelin posted...
the receipts they had easily could have been faked or doctored.


Joke user confirmed. Who would do this and then proceed to hang around the place afterward? Did you even think before you thought of this stupid shit?
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Monolith1676
07/18/18 10:29:07 AM
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@gunplagirl posted...
"We racially profiled, this is entirely the fault of the real culprits and we aren't responsible in the slightest over what we did"

Classic "apology" tactic, avoid actually acknowledging any wrongdoing and deflect any guilt that might be there


Because the police did nothing wrong in this situation. There is no racial profiling, they were given the description of a group of black people.
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Coffeebeanz
07/18/18 10:35:47 AM
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I'm confused - did the IHOP have a dine-n-dash incident and filed a police report, and the police apprehended the teens, brought them to the IHOP where the owners said "no, that's not them" and then they were let go?

I mean obviously if they had receipts it's pretty obvious that they weren't the ones. To me that's the biggest issue.
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eston
07/18/18 10:40:09 AM
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What I gathered is that there was a dine and dash, cops were called, cops showed up and these people were standing outside. I could be wrong but it doesn't sound like the police made contact with the business owner before marching them inside
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Monolith1676
07/18/18 10:44:34 AM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
I'm confused - did the IHOP have a dine-n-dash incident and filed a police report, and the police apprehended the teens, brought them to the IHOP where the owners said "no, that's not them" and then they were let go?

I mean obviously if they had receipts it's pretty obvious that they weren't the ones. To me that's the biggest issue.


The people matched the vague description given by the IHOP and a field show up was conducted, which is taking a possible suspect to a witness or victim and showing them the people that were located and either confirmining them as suspects or eliminating them.
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gguirao
07/18/18 11:57:18 AM
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OpShaft posted...
Ah, the old dine and dine. Classic

Next thing you know, they'll be ringing people's doorbell and politely waiting for them to answer!
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E32005
07/18/18 12:00:55 PM
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Zikten
07/18/18 12:05:53 PM
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Monolith1676 posted...
They found a group that fit the description and made contact with them until everything was sorted out.

except it got sorted out early but the cops kept pushing. all the proof needed is the receipt. cops should have ended it there.
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smoliske
07/18/18 12:06:42 PM
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i too like dining after i dine

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KStateKing17
07/18/18 12:08:30 PM
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Just going by vague descriptions like that is what gets people in trouble they didn't have in the first place.
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eston
07/18/18 12:09:55 PM
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Monolith1676 posted...
The people matched the vague description given by the IHOP and a field show up was conducted, which is taking a possible suspect to a witness or victim and showing them the people that were located and either confirmining them as suspects or eliminating them.

If the description is just "black people" then I think it is a little premature to start rounding up the first black people you see despite the fact that they were cooperative and showed their receipts. It's poor police work
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DarkProto05
07/18/18 12:16:16 PM
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A little over the top but nothing to get too upset over. A lot of the blame is on the manager for describing the real perps as black people. Should have given more details.
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