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Being Fat shamed = motivation

Without it people will continue to get bigger and unhealthy more so

I mean seriously, being big is unhealthy, dunno why people think otherwise
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Why is height shaming allowed? It's not like people can be motivated to just grow taller.

SaccharineSmile posted...

Being Fat shamed = motivation

It mostly works if you're being shamed by someone you care about. It may have the opposite affect if someone you don't care about shames you.
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Shaming isnt motivation for everyone, and even for those people who can take it as such, youre still being a vitriolic dick to them for no real reason.

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Thats why this speech is simultaneously the best and worst kind of kick in the ass, because it only works for those that can self-motivate already, but just need the kick.

When it comes to fat people, whether theyre already trying or not, they need positive reinforcement more than anything. Shaming them is just going to make their struggle even harder no matter how they respond.

And fat acceptance is a more kneejerk reaction to the vitriolic spite you fat shaming types dole out.
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They say they have fat pride however they become offended when you call them fat
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CommonJoe posted...

Shaming isnt motivation for everyone, and even for those people who can take it as such, youre still being a vitriolic dick to them for no real reason.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4PE2hSqVnk" data-time="

Thats why this speech is simultaneously the best and worst kind of kick in the ass, because it only works for those that can self-motivate already, but just need the kick.

When it comes to fat people, whether theyre already trying or not, they need positive reinforcement more than anything. Shaming them is just going to make their struggle even harder no matter how they respond.

And fat acceptance is a more kneejerk reaction to the vitriolic spite you fat shaming types dole out.

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UltraDeku posted...

It mostly works if you're being shamed by someone you care about. It may have the opposite affect if someone you don't care about shames you.

Don't try logic with people like this, they just want an excuse to shit on someone. No attempt to learn the underlying causes behind someone developing the patterns of behavior which lead to morbid obesity - clearly they're just a shitty human being.

Ignorance is easier than understanding. Always has been.
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LinksLiege posted...

UltraDeku posted...

It mostly works if you're being shamed by someone you care about. It may have the opposite affect if someone you don't care about shames you.

Don't try logic with people like this, they just want an excuse to shit on someone. No attempt to learn the underlying causes behind someone developing the patterns of behavior which lead to morbid obesity - clearly they're just a shitty human being.

Ignorance is easier than understanding. Always has been.

It's always worth a shot.
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Shaming did nothing for me. All it did was make me feel bad and probably eat more. I only lost weight after realizing it wasn't that hard, wanting to be healthier, and wanting to look better.
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Let me tell you this. The fat people will live significantly shorter lives, so once this generation of entitled fatties pass on, it should get better.
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You know how most European countries have a VAT tax?

Maybe the US should try a FAT tax? We could use a little weight redistribution.
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Chicken posted...

Let me tell you this. The fat people will live significantly shorter lives, so once this generation of entitled fatties pass on, it should get better.

Never thought of that
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Most of the people who say fat shaming is good because it makes them healthier feels like rationalization. They're not really doing it out of a desire to make other people healthier. They want to be able to make fat jokes and consider fat people beneath them without feeling guilty. At least the people who say fat people are disgusting are being honest.

Even if you genuinely hope that fat shaming will make people healthier, you are wrong.

Fat shaming doesn't work. This is because being fat is not a behavior. It is a result.

We shame smoking, not lung cancer. We shame drunk driving, not getting into car accidents. That's why both these things have gone way down. Because we shame the behavior, not the effect.

But with weight gain, we don't really shame any of the things that lead to it. Eating fatty, unhealthy foods is not shamed. Sitting around binging TV shows is not shamed.

Once you've gained weight, you're already at the point where it's becoming difficult to go back. People have formed habits that are hard to break, and their body's metabolism may have adjusted to make them resistant to weight loss. It's usually not just a matter of jogging a few times a week or eating a little less. You have to make big changes to your daily habits. It's not a matter of getting them to not do something. It's a matter of making them feel motivated to proactively make major changes in their lives. And may be hard to judge how much to change or what is more effective.

Shaming them for who they are is much more likely to drive them into depression and make them give up. Because while shaming can be good for making people avoid specific actions, it's very poor for making them take initiative and so things.
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MedzXVIII posted...

They say they have fat pride however they become offended when you call them fat

That one is hilarious to me. Like snot running out funny.
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When it comes to being fat suddenly everyone cares about the health of their fellow man. Never see these kind of topics about smokers.
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Thing is you may think you are shaming them to motivate them but you could be making things worse. You could just be adding to their depression and lie them eat more. Fat shaming could easily make people fatter.
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specifically in the united states, this is just a case of people forgetting to mind their own business and not be complete assholes. i am not overweight but i see no real reason why someone not overweight should even give a shit what someone else is doing with their own body as long as it isn't harming someone else. this is how i feel about drug use as well, let people do what they will with their own body, they own it.

i could understand why people care in countries that actually have universal healthcare because they probably drive up the overall cost of healthcare among the pool, but here in the united states you can't even go with that argument.
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SaccharineSmile posted...

Being Fat shamed = motivation

No.
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Fat shaming isn't good, but it is stupid to praise people for being fat as well.
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Can't we have a middle ground between promoting morbid obesity and laughing in the face of overweight people when they leave their home?

Some people just wanna die early. Same with smokers.
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action52 posted...

Most of the people who say fat shaming is good because it makes them healthier feels like rationalization. They're not really doing it out of a desire to make other people healthier. They want to be able to make fat jokes and consider fat people beneath them without feeling guilty. At least the people who say fat people are disgusting are being honest.

Even if you genuinely hope that fat shaming will make people healthier, you are wrong.

Fat shaming doesn't work. This is because being fat is not a behavior. It is a result.

We shame smoking, not lung cancer. We shame drunk driving, not getting into car accidents. That's why both these things have gone way down. Because we shame the behavior, not the effect.

But with weight gain, we don't really shame any of the things that lead to it. Eating fatty, unhealthy foods is not shamed. Sitting around binging TV shows is not shamed.

Once you've gained weight, you're already at the point where it's becoming difficult to go back. People have formed habits that are hard to break, and their body's metabolism may have adjusted to make them resistant to weight loss. It's usually not just a matter of jogging a few times a week or eating a little less. You have to make big changes to your daily habits. It's not a matter of getting them to not do something. It's a matter of making them feel motivated to proactively make major changes in their lives. And may be hard to judge how much to change or what is more effective.

Shaming them for who they are is much more likely to drive them into depression and make them give up. Because while shaming can be good for making people avoid specific actions, it's very poor for making them take initiative and so things.

decent post, I like it
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NibeIungsnarf posted...

Can't we have a middle ground between promoting morbid obesity and laughing in the face of overweight people when they leave their home?

Nope, has to be either or.
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Flockaveli posted...

Some people just wanna die early. Same with smokers.

Eh, at least fat people only kill themselves early. Smokers kill those around them with their second hand smoke.
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LightHawKnight posted...

Flockaveli posted...

Some people just wanna die early. Same with smokers.

Eh, at least fat people only kill themselves early. Smokers kill those around them with their second hand smoke.

Same can be said about fat parents passing their poor practices on to their kids.

But yeah secondhand smoke still stands.
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PSA to all fat people

You want to know the one WEIRD trick to weight loss?

EAT LESS CALORIES THAN YOU BURN

Holy shit it really is that fucking simple!

I got a negative review in HealthGrades from a patient who complained that I told her she was obese. She had a BMI off 60.
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clearaflagrantj posted...

PSA to all fat people

You want to know the one WEIRD trick to weight loss?

EAT LESS CALORIES THAN YOU BURN

Holy shit it really is that fucking simple!

Even easier:
Skip lunch.

action52 posted...

Most of the people who say fat shaming is good because it makes them healthier feels like rationalization. They're not really doing it out of a desire to make other people healthier. They want to be able to make fat jokes and consider fat people beneath them without feeling guilty. At least the people who say fat people are disgusting are being honest.

Even if you genuinely hope that fat shaming will make people healthier, you are wrong.

Fat shaming doesn't work. This is because being fat is not a behavior. It is a result.

We shame smoking, not lung cancer. We shame drunk driving, not getting into car accidents. That's why both these things have gone way down. Because we shame the behavior, not the effect.

But with weight gain, we don't really shame any of the things that lead to it. Eating fatty, unhealthy foods is not shamed. Sitting around binging TV shows is not shamed.

Once you've gained weight, you're already at the point where it's becoming difficult to go back. People have formed habits that are hard to break, and their body's metabolism may have adjusted to make them resistant to weight loss. It's usually not just a matter of jogging a few times a week or eating a little less. You have to make big changes to your daily habits. It's not a matter of getting them to not do something. It's a matter of making them feel motivated to proactively make major changes in their lives. And may be hard to judge how much to change or what is more effective.

Shaming them for who they are is much more likely to drive them into depression and make them give up. Because while shaming can be good for making people avoid specific actions, it's very poor for making them take initiative and so things.

This is a good post
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SaccharineSmile posted...

Being Fat shamed = motivation

I don't understand this logic at all. Maybe in a Hollywood production where the hero gets KO'd in the first round and decides to train night and day for the rematch. In reality, people are fat becuase eating is comforting. When people put them down, it makes them naturally seek that comfort.
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skip a meal and don't eat extra to compensate for the skipped meal and you'll lose weight
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Actually, the boxing movie thing is a bad comparison too because it was the failure that motivated the hero instead of some asshole in the audience who laughed at him for failing.
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