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444488882 07/13/18 9:49:15 AM #51:	bover_87 posted... Why do people still reply to Coffeebeanz, they've shown themselves to be barely better than Mal_Fet or southcoast only male attention she will ever get so. <cite>444488882 posted [p:905001170] in Trump Is D... [t:76803152]...</cite> <quote><cite>bover_87 posted...</cite> <quote>Why do people still reply to Coffeebeanz, they've shown themselves to be barely better than Mal_Fet or southcoast </quote> only male attention she will ever get so.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darkman124 07/13/18 9:51:24 AM #52:	Coffeebeanz posted... No offense, but the Democrats passed the ACA using reconciliation. It wasn't the GOP that neutered it. It was virtually everyone in Congress being paid tons of money by insurance company lobbyists. You are absolutely right about this one. It will forever shock me that they didn't pass the house version with reconciliation. @Balrog0 has shared information suggesting they may not have had the votes to do it. Which is fucking sad. --- And when the hourglass has run out, eternity asks you about only one thing: whether you have lived in despair or not. <cite>Darkman124 posted [p:905001269] in Trump Is D... [t:76803152]...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote>No offense, but the Democrats passed the ACA using reconciliation. It wasn't the GOP that neutered it. It was virtually everyone in Congress being paid tons of money by insurance company lobbyists. </quote> You are absolutely right about this one. It will forever shock me that they didn't pass the house version with reconciliation. @Balrog0 has shared information suggesting they may not have had the votes to do it. Which is fucking sad.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Coffeebeanz 07/13/18 9:55:55 AM #53:	Health care policy outcomes make a lot more sense when you follow the money behind it. --- Physician [Internal Medicine] <cite>Coffeebeanz posted [p:905001442] in Trump Is D... [t:76803152]...</cite> <quote>Health care policy outcomes make a lot more sense when you follow the money behind it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/13/18 9:56:38 AM #54:	'virtually everyone in Congress' in this case most likely means 'a number of key Democratic senators from red and purple states' though I don't doubt they would have spent more if they had to --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:905001463] in Trump Is D... [t:76803152]...</cite> <quote>'virtually everyone in Congress' in this case most likely means 'a number of key Democratic senators from red and purple states' though I don't doubt they would have spent more if they had to</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 07/13/18 10:02:47 AM #55:	Darkman124 posted... Coffeebeanz posted... No offense, but the Democrats passed the ACA using reconciliation. It wasn't the GOP that neutered it. It was virtually everyone in Congress being paid tons of money by insurance company lobbyists. You are absolutely right about this one. It will forever shock me that they didn't pass the house version with reconciliation. @ Balrog0 has shared information suggesting they may not have had the votes to do it. Which is fucking sad. Agreed. Coffeebeanz posted... Health care policy outcomes make a lot more sense when you follow the money behind it. You're right that I had forgot about the Democrats in Congress being unable to be unified in their votes as well, but iirc drug lobby provisions got many more Republicans on board than against it. Sucks that Romney's Massachusetts policy got botched along the way for the national implementation. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:905001741] in Trump Is D... [t:76803152]...</cite> <quote><cite>Darkman124 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote>No offense, but the Democrats passed the ACA using reconciliation. It wasn't the GOP that neutered it. It was virtually everyone in Congress being paid tons of money by insurance company lobbyists. </quote> You are absolutely right about this one. It will forever shock me that they didn't pass the house version with reconciliation. @ Balrog0 has shared information suggesting they may not have had the votes to do it. Which is fucking sad.</quote> Agreed. <cite>Coffeebeanz posted...</cite> <quote>Health care policy outcomes make a lot more sense when you follow the money behind it.</quote> You're right that I had forgot about the Democrats in Congress being unable to be unified in their votes as well, but iirc drug lobby provisions got many more Republicans on board than against it. Sucks that Romney's Massachusetts policy got botched along the way for the national implementation.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 07/13/18 10:06:02 AM #56:	NinjaWarrior455 posted... eston posted... Wow, Mike Pence is still riding the gay people = AIDS train Reagan taught them well. Reagan and Trump share the same support base. --- No sig. <cite>creativerealms posted [p:905001885] in Trump Is D... [t:76803152]...</cite> <quote><cite>NinjaWarrior455 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote>Wow, Mike Pence is still riding the gay people = AIDS train</quote> Reagan taught them well.</quote> Reagan and Trump share the same support base.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/13/18 10:06:54 AM #57:	Breaking news: Discretionary spending is discretionary. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:905001931] in Trump Is D... [t:76803152]...</cite> <quote>Breaking news: Discretionary spending is discretionary.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
444488882 07/13/18 10:07:11 AM #58:	creativerealms posted... NinjaWarrior455 posted... eston posted... Wow, Mike Pence is still riding the gay people = AIDS train Reagan taught them well. Reagan and Trump share the same support base. eh not really. theres a 32 year difference at best. <cite>444488882 posted [p:905001948] in Trump Is D... [t:76803152]...</cite> <quote><cite>creativerealms posted...</cite> <quote><cite>NinjaWarrior455 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>eston posted...</cite> <quote>Wow, Mike Pence is still riding the gay people = AIDS train</quote> Reagan taught them well.</quote> Reagan and Trump share the same support base.</quote> eh not really. theres a 32 year difference at best.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/13/18 10:15:00 AM #59:	I'm not entirely sure that is legal to reallocate funds like that btw, but I also suspect if it weren't, someone smarter than me would have said something by now, so now I want to check. I guess it all depends on the language of the resolution that appropriated the funds (I assume a CR rather than an actual appropriation, but idk) oops, that's @Questionmarktarius --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:905002289] in Trump Is D... [t:76803152]...</cite> <quote>I'm not entirely sure that is legal to reallocate funds like that btw, but I also suspect if it weren't, someone smarter than me would have said something by now, so now I want to check. I guess it all depends on the language of the resolution that appropriated the funds (I assume a CR rather than an actual appropriation, but idk) oops, that's @Questionmarktarius</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/13/18 10:18:16 AM #60:	Balrog0 posted... but I also suspect if it weren't, someone smarter than me would have said something by now Given the ravenous hateboner in the media, someone would have pointed it out, if so. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:905002443] in Trump Is D... [t:76803152]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>but I also suspect if it weren't, someone smarter than me would have said something by now</quote> Given the ravenous hateboner in the media, someone would have pointed it out, if so.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/13/18 10:21:36 AM #61:	Indeed. Both ORR and the Ryan White program are under HHS so its most likely the case that the funds were appropriated and the allocation was informal rather than prescribed legally though I would word that differently if I were a journalist --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:905002615] in Trump Is D... [t:76803152]...</cite> <quote>Indeed. Both ORR and the Ryan White program are under HHS so its most likely the case that the funds were appropriated and the allocation was informal rather than prescribed legally though I would word that differently if I were a journalist</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 07/13/18 10:22:22 AM #62:	Kineth posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Kineth posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Kineth posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... Damn, Dubya seems like he was a good guy. I'm surprised that you have no clue about him. Dubya had a lot of failings, but he didn't have an unlikable personality, especially compared to our DIC (Despot in Chief). I was a kid when he was president so I didn't really pay attention to politics. Then how the hell have you drank so much McCarthy Kool-Aid? I realized socialism and communism are not tenable when I looked at the evidence. Growing up in the Romanian community, I heard a lot about how commies turned most of eastern Europe into the third world. So I was curious and did some research. You ever read an economics book or take a political science class? Because I don't think you have enough info if that's the conclusion you've reached. That said, I can completely understand your aversion to it if you're Romanian, but I think you should be averse to central-planned economies and totalitarianism. I've taken multiple economics classes and read plenty of books. You're not on the verge of arguing that someone who knows communism is not tenable is simply uneducated, are you? --- Do good. Eat communists. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:905002638] in Trump Is D... [t:76803152]...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Kineth posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>Damn, Dubya seems like he was a good guy.</quote> I'm surprised that you have no clue about him. Dubya had a lot of failings, but he didn't have an unlikable personality, especially compared to our DIC (Despot in Chief).</quote> I was a kid when he was president so I didn't really pay attention to politics.</quote> Then how the hell have you drank so much McCarthy Kool-Aid?</quote> I realized socialism and communism are not tenable when I looked at the evidence. Growing up in the Romanian community, I heard a lot about how commies turned most of eastern Europe into the third world. So I was curious and did some research.</quote> You ever read an economics book or take a political science class? Because I don't think you have enough info if that's the conclusion you've reached. That said, I can completely understand your aversion to it if you're Romanian, but I think you should be averse to central-planned economies and totalitarianism.</quote> I've taken multiple economics classes and read plenty of books. You're not on the verge of arguing that someone who knows communism is not tenable is simply uneducated, are you?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kingdrake2 07/13/18 10:29:35 AM #63:	Balrog0 posted... Indeed. Both ORR and the Ryan White program are under HHS so its most likely the case that the funds were appropriated and the allocation was informal rather than prescribed legally though I would word that differently if I were a journalist they took our money. it wasn't your money it was our money. to a program it should of gone to in the first place. doesn't make me feel any better ever since the incident with walmart that guy wont be getting a bonus because all his phones were taken fucking criminal bastards, his family's not getting certain things now. --- I'm pretty much Stu from Rugrats making pudding at 4 in morning because I've lost control of my life - Polycosm <cite>kingdrake2 posted [p:905002961] in Trump Is D... [t:76803152]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>Indeed. Both ORR and the Ryan White program are under HHS so its most likely the case that the funds were appropriated and the allocation was informal rather than prescribed legally though I would word that differently if I were a journalist</quote> they took our money. it wasn't your money it was our money. to a program it should of gone to in the first place. doesn't make me feel any better ever since the incident with walmart that guy wont be getting a bonus because all his phones were taken fucking criminal bastards, his family's not getting certain things now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DifferentialEquation 07/13/18 10:31:58 AM #64:	Holy crap, the left has lost it. Is bitching about Tump finally starting to getting a little boring for you? There's no reason to cry about Bush anymore, he hasn't been in office for almost decade. --- There's no business to be taxed. <cite>DifferentialEquation posted [p:905003072] in Trump Is D... [t:76803152]...</cite> <quote>Holy crap, the left has lost it. Is bitching about Tump finally starting to getting a little boring for you? There's no reason to cry about Bush anymore, he hasn't been in office for almost decade.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Balrog0 07/13/18 10:33:35 AM #65:	kingdrake2 posted... they took our money. it wasn't your money it was our money. to a program it should of gone to in the first place. wat I mean that, it is within Congress' right to allocate funds to specific programs and to be used in specific ways, but that it is probably the case that Congress simply allocated and appropriated the money to HHS formally, with an informal understanding that the programs would be funded essentially as they had been before (but without a legal requirement for that to be the case) so if I were a journalist, I would not describe that money as 'money reserved for HIV/AIDS treatment programs' since that is not quite true --- But to you who are listening I say: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. <cite>Balrog0 posted [p:905003152] in Trump Is D... [t:76803152]...</cite> <quote><cite>kingdrake2 posted...</cite> <quote>they took our money. it wasn't your money it was our money. to a program it should of gone to in the first place.</quote> wat I mean that, it is within Congress' right to allocate funds to specific programs and to be used in specific ways, but that it is probably the case that Congress simply allocated and appropriated the money to HHS formally, with an informal understanding that the programs would be funded essentially as they had been before (but without a legal requirement for that to be the case) so if I were a journalist, I would not describe that money as 'money reserved for HIV/AIDS treatment programs' since that is not quite true</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
444488882 07/13/18 10:34:52 AM #66:	DifferentialEquation posted... Holy crap, the left has lost it. Is bitching about Tump finally starting to getting a little boring for you? There's no reason to cry about Bush anymore, he hasn't been in office for almost decade. shut the fuck up <cite>444488882 posted [p:905003225] in Trump Is D... [t:76803152]...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote>Holy crap, the left has lost it. Is bitching about Tump finally starting to getting a little boring for you? There's no reason to cry about Bush anymore, he hasn't been in office for almost decade.</quote> shut the fuck up</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Serious Cat 07/13/18 10:39:01 AM #67:	Balrog0 posted... I'm not entirely sure that is legal to reallocate funds like that btw, but I also suspect if it weren't, someone smarter than me would have said something by now, so now I want to check. I'm reading it more as rebudgeted. Incidentally, since I strongly dislike links to articles that do nothing but rehash the original, here's the original. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/07/trumps-office-of-refugee-resettlement-is-budgeting-for-a-surge-in-child-separations.html --- I are Serious Cat This is serious thread <cite>Serious Cat posted [p:905003434] in Trump Is D... [t:76803152]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm not entirely sure that is legal to reallocate funds like that btw, but I also suspect if it weren't, someone smarter than me would have said something by now, so now I want to check.</quote> I'm reading it more as rebudgeted. Incidentally, since I strongly dislike links to articles that do nothing but rehash the original, here's the original. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/07/trumps-office-of-refugee-resettlement-is-budgeting-for-a-surge-in-child-separations.html</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
bover_87 07/13/18 10:39:22 AM #68:	@444488882 posted... DifferentialEquation posted... Holy crap, the left has lost it. Is bitching about Tump finally starting to getting a little boring for you? There's no reason to cry about Bush anymore, he hasn't been in office for almost decade. shut the fuck up you do realize DE is a satire account right? --- I...I shall consume. Consume...consume everything. ~ [FFRK] rcr6 - Chosen Traveler/Forbidden Power/Divine Veil Grimoire <cite>bover_87 posted [p:905003450] in Trump Is D... [t:76803152]...</cite> <quote><cite>@444488882 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote>Holy crap, the left has lost it. Is bitching about Tump finally starting to getting a little boring for you? There's no reason to cry about Bush anymore, he hasn't been in office for almost decade.</quote> shut the fuck up</quote> you do realize DE is a satire account right?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
444488882 07/13/18 10:40:19 AM #69:	bover_87 posted... @444488882 posted... DifferentialEquation posted... Holy crap, the left has lost it. Is bitching about Tump finally starting to getting a little boring for you? There's no reason to cry about Bush anymore, he hasn't been in office for almost decade. shut the fuck up you do realize DE is a satire account right? obviously <cite>444488882 posted [p:905003491] in Trump Is D... [t:76803152]...</cite> <quote><cite>bover_87 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>@444488882 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>DifferentialEquation posted...</cite> <quote>Holy crap, the left has lost it. Is bitching about Tump finally starting to getting a little boring for you? There's no reason to cry about Bush anymore, he hasn't been in office for almost decade.</quote> shut the fuck up</quote> you do realize DE is a satire account right?</quote> obviously</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 07/13/18 12:53:57 PM #70:	Balrog0 posted... I'm not entirely sure that is legal to reallocate funds like that btw, but I also suspect if it weren't, someone smarter than me would have said something by now, so now I want to check. I guess it all depends on the language of the resolution that appropriated the funds (I assume a CR rather than an actual appropriation, but idk) oops, that's @ Questionmarktarius I would think that the media could report on it as something that happened, regardless of whether the action is legal or not. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:905010177] in Trump Is D... [t:76803152]...</cite> <quote><cite>Balrog0 posted...</cite> <quote>I'm not entirely sure that is legal to reallocate funds like that btw, but I also suspect if it weren't, someone smarter than me would have said something by now, so now I want to check. I guess it all depends on the language of the resolution that appropriated the funds (I assume a CR rather than an actual appropriation, but idk) oops, that's @ Questionmarktarius</quote> I would think that the media could report on it as something that happened, regardless of whether the action is legal or not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 07/13/18 1:47:05 PM #71:	I hope trump gets AIDS --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:905013006] in Trump Is D... [t:76803152]...</cite> <quote>I hope trump gets AIDS</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Knowledge_King 07/13/18 11:12:51 PM #72:	I don't really care tbh --- http://www.warwithwords.com Run: 4 Stars and IndieReader Approved:https://www.amazon.com/Run-M-N-ebook/dp/B076R7DCHN <cite>Knowledge_King posted [p:905041607] in Trump Is D... [t:76803152]...</cite> <quote>I don't really care tbh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
megamanfreakXD 07/13/18 11:18:47 PM #73:	God damn it More shit I have to deal with in the future. No other president has ever affected my life significantly until now. --- https://imgur.com/tzhGHNu <cite>megamanfreakXD posted [p:905041836] in Trump Is D... [t:76803152]...</cite> <quote>God damn it More shit I have to deal with in the future. No other president has ever affected my life significantly until now.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 07/13/18 11:24:57 PM #74:	megamanfreakXD posted... No other president has ever affected my life significantly until now. If you ever end up on dialysis, then Nixon automatically wins. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_Stage_Renal_Disease_Program <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:905042085] in Trump Is D... [t:76803152]...</cite> <quote><cite>megamanfreakXD posted...</cite> <quote>No other president has ever affected my life significantly until now.</quote> If you ever end up on dialysis, then Nixon automatically wins. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_Stage_Renal_Disease_Program</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
megamanfreakXD 07/14/18 11:16:40 PM #75:	Questionmarktarius posted... megamanfreakXD posted... No other president has ever affected my life significantly until now. If you ever end up on dialysis, then Nixon automatically wins. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_Stage_Renal_Disease_Program Very likely I wont get to that point. --- https://imgur.com/tzhGHNu <cite>megamanfreakXD posted [p:905094246] in Trump Is D... [t:76803152]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>megamanfreakXD posted...</cite> <quote>No other president has ever affected my life significantly until now.</quote> If you ever end up on dialysis, then Nixon automatically wins. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_Stage_Renal_Disease_Program</quote> Very likely I wont get to that point.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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