Board 8 > Blade Mafia 5 Topic 14: We have waited. The cows have come home.

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3. Death
8. Panthera
10. Shaduln
11. Ashethan
20. Corrik

Pxlated became one with the dead. She was Donald Mallard, TOWN Medical Examiner

Day ends at 10pm on Saturday night.
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Dead list?

Tag.
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Welp, I'm going to be here off and on so don't try to use that as an excuse for me to be the lynch
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I really wish we were getting tagged to these topics.

@Ashethan
@Panthera
@htaeD
@Shaduln
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So I wanna rethink things. Cuz I have absolutely no idea how Dels wasn't scum and my entire basis was made around that.

Does anyone have the votals of day 1. I think something key was there.
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5 Panth - (Han), (Han), Scare, (Chris), (Leo), Han, BCT, (Dowolf), IGCD, Donker

1 Scare - (Leo), (Shad), (Leo), FD, (IGCD), (Zam), (Chris), (Donker)

7 Donker -- (Corrik), (Dowolf), Corrik, (Han), (Scare), Zyxyz, (Scare), (IGCD), Panth, Dowolf, Chris, Zam, Shad

2 Zach - (IGCD), (Leo), (Leo), (Eaed), (IGCD), Death, (Scare), (Corrik), eaed

1 Red - (IGCD), (Dowolf), Chris, (IGCD), (Scare), (Dowolf), (Scare), (IGCD)

1 Mzero - (Leo), IGCD, (Corrik)

0 IGCD - (BCT), (Corrik)

1 Corrik - (IGCD), (Alakazam), (Han), Red, (Dowolf), (BCT), (IGCD), (Leo), (Zach), (Donker),

0 Shad - (Han), (Corrik), (IGCD), (Scare), (IGCD), (Corrik), (IGCD), (Scare)

0 Dowolf - (Mzero), (Death), (Han)

0 BCT - (IGCD), (Eaed), (Panthera), (IGCD), (Corrik), (eaed)

0 Zyxyz - (Shad)

0 Zam - (Scare)

0 Leo - (BCT), (Dowolf)

0 Eaed - (Dowolf)
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Apparently no one voted Han day 1.

Or death.

Han and Mzero both voted dowolf. I really can't see all 3 scum being his only votes.

That makes death look a little better.

Nobody besides dowolf votes eaed all day.

Han votes me shad, panthera, and shad. Han never votes any of the flipped scum. Coincidence or did Han just not believe in bussing?

If that were true it would make Panthera, me, and shad town. Death and Eaed scum.

I dunno how much I hold weight in that. Though the connection exists.

Han and Leo both vote me and Panthera. The only places their votes connected all of day 1.

Panthera had 1 scum, 1 Indy, and 3 confirmed town on him as the 2nd highest lynch day 1.

Donker in turn has 4 confirmed town and 3 unflipped on him.
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Death stuck to Dels even when Dels offered to lynch shad. Could death and shad be scum together? That is an interesting thought, though I can't really see how anyone didn't think Dels was scum even if town.
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The kill on Pxlated makes sense. She was confirmed. I was able to be roleblocked so I wasn't a threat at night. Plus, more importantly it leaves all 3 jinjos alive when surely one of the 3 is scum. Why knock it down to 2 jinjos and give town a 50% shot instead of keep it at 33%.
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Needless to say, I think a jinjo is where we have to look at for the lynch today. .

I feel kind of good about ashe despite his tinfoil conspiracy stuff and despite him knowing about the usurper before it flipped.

Mostly because I kind of feel Shad fabricated the paralyzed thing to not talk because it does not make sense to me someone used a paralyze on him night 1 after he was already claimed, that early in the game, or on shad specifically.

Actually I hadn't thought about it but I guess both jinjo claims could be scum and only one of them is a jinjo. Or panth or death is jinjo and fakeclaimed.

However, I feel the way things shook out that most jinjos would have claimed. Especially panthera.
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Neither shad eaed panth nor death votes scum all of day 1. Jesus and I am playing bad this game. Lol.

Eaed and death parked on colzach claimed cop (granted htead went to bed due to timezones before the claim).

Panth and shad end up on Donker with me.

Eaed makes 3 votes all town (BCT, and colzach twice). Remains on colzach.

Shad makes 3 votes 2 town 1 Indy (scare, zy, Donker). Remains on Donker.

Panth makes 2 votes. Both town. (BCT, Donker). Remains on Donker.

I made 8 votes. 1 scum 5 town 2 unflipped. (Mzero, shad twice, colzach, NewDonker twice, BCT, IGCD)

Granted I can't remember why I voted Mzero and it was likely nothing major because I felt relatively okay with MZero being town besides his activity for the majority of the game til his claim.
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I assume you were roleblocked again Corrik? Kind of surprised you'd be left alive when Pxl had outright said she didn't care much anymore, although I guess she did start trying again after that.

I feel like Death and Shad remain the likeliest scum, still feel fairly confident in Ashe and Corrik...if you really faked that whole business about thinking Dels was lying about his claim based on the Legend of Dragoon thing, I would be surprised and impressed. Don't see why scum goes that far on such a bizarre, minor point.

Shad being paralyzed is weird but I don't think it would make sense as an excuse not to talk - paralyze doesn't prevent talking, and his real life would be all the excuse he needs, plus he apparently tried to replace out so it's not like he was planning on lurking. It could still be some sort of weird scum ploy since it's really weird for scum to paralyze town Shad on night 1 of all times, but it wouldn't be a way to let him get away without saying anything I don't think
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turbopuns2 posted...

Dead list?

Nope lol
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Chris led the lynch on Panthera as scare was the main target (after colzach). Obviously no reason to lead this as scum go save scum because obviously Chris is town and scare was Indy.

Panthera gets the lead. I am in the process of alrdy wailing to go to Donker as the Panthera lynch starts.

Thus I really had no reason to lead on Donker to save scare either.

However, Panthera gains steam and after his claim everyone does come to the mislynch I was pushing. So there is a very slight case that me and Panthera are scum together and I tried to save him. Though I obviously know that isn't true either.

I think Leo was pushing to lynch me late in the game and actually did change his vote to me late (after those votals take place).
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Panthera posted...

I assume you were roleblocked again Corrik? Kind of surprised you'd be left alive when Pxl had outright said she didn't care much anymore, although I guess she did start trying again after that.

I feel like Death and Shad remain the likeliest scum, still feel fairly confident in Ashe and Corrik...if you really faked that whole business about thinking Dels was lying about his claim based on the Legend of Dragoon thing, I would be surprised and impressed. Don't see why scum goes that far on such a bizarre, minor point.

Shad being paralyzed is weird but I don't think it would make sense as an excuse not to talk - paralyze doesn't prevent talking, and his real life would be all the excuse he needs, plus he apparently tried to replace out so it's not like he was planning on lurking. It could still be some sort of weird scum ploy since it's really weird for scum to paralyze town Shad on night 1 of all times, but it wouldn't be a way to let him get away without saying anything I don't think

Yeah, I was roleblocked. I tried to visit Pxlated.
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I think we have to lynch a jinjo today, panth. If we get the scum jinjo, we confirm the two others as town. I am 99% sure there is not 2 scum jinjos and I feel the claims were relatively genuine that day. I know I mentioned 1 could have lied and claimed it when not, but it doesn't seem to fit the reactions or the players involved.

If we Lynch the right jinjo today, the other 2 are basically confirmed town. Scum has to kill one of them. Going fine 3 with a confirmed jinjo still alive and 2 nonjinjos. Thus the remaining jinjo panth and death would be the final 3.
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Why did you target Pxl? I thought you alternated between watching and tracking and last night should have been a track since you tried to watch Chris the night before
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Panthera posted...

Why did you target Pxl? I thought you alternated between watching and tracking and last night should have been a track since you tried to watch Chris the night before

I have absolutely zero idea how my powers work. I had a theory they alternated powers, but for all I know I coulda hail maryed a doc save.

That said, I knew I would be roleblocked or roleblocked and killed so I didn't think it mattered.

Though I probably should have thought more about using it on myself tbqh. That would have been smarter. Though in the end it wouldn't have mattered.
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I understand why you'd want to lynch a Jinjo, though if there's a non-Jinjo scum I know it must be Death since he and I are the only non-Jinjos left. If we lynch Death you get shot anyway in all likelihood so it comes down to Ashe/Shad/me. Which, granted, I feel like Ashe is town but it's not quite as solid as it would look in the hypothetical Jinjo/Death/me endgame so Jinjo probably is the way to go regardless.
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Corrik
07/07/18 12:35:50 AM
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Btw i think but am not sure but my unexpected power in my estimation is watcher odd nights and tracker even nights.

Can't confirm it though. Still don't understand the Chris result night 2.

The night 2 result having a no result return doesn't make sense. Which is why I was pretty baffled.

I have been roleblocked way too much to confirm my thoughts. The only actual results I have gotten so far have been watchs. *shrug*.
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No result sounds at least vaguely plausible as a tracker result on a vanilla.

Didn't you track MZero?
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Panthera posted...

I understand why you'd want to lynch a Jinjo, though if there's a non-Jinjo scum I know it must be Death since he and I are the only non-Jinjos left. If we lynch Death you get shot anyway in all likelihood so it comes down to Ashe/Shad/me. Which, granted, I feel like Ashe is town but it's not quite as solid as it would look in the hypothetical Jinjo/Death/me endgame so Jinjo probably is the way to go regardless.

I just feel the correct jinjo lynch confirms 2 players and they can only shoot 1.

I mean, myself I can't see how you guys do not think I am town just solely from the roleblock angle. Every night I wasn't roleblocked Pxlated was (besides night 1). The roleblocks I feel confirm me even if you don't trust anything else.

But, yeah, I get the paranoia.
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Panthera posted...

No result sounds at least vaguely plausible as a tracker result on a vanilla.

Didn't you track MZero?

Yeah, I did.
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Night 1 watched colzach to scare
Night 2 no result
Night 3 roleblocked
Night 4 watched Mzero go to dowolf
Night 5 roleblocked
Night 5 roleblocked
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So much for only getting results on watches then!

Corrik posted...

I just feel the correct jinjo lynch confirms 2 players and they can only shoot 1.

I mean, myself I can't see how you guys do not think I am town just solely from the roleblock angle. Every night I wasn't roleblocked Pxlated was (besides night 1). The roleblocks I feel confirm me even if you don't trust anything else.

But, yeah, I get the paranoia.

It's mainly that from my perspective, I see Ashe as likely town so it probably ends up as Ashe, me, and Death/Shad anyway since you die no matter what. "Confirming" Ashe has limited value in that situation since either way it comes down to Ashe deciding while Death/Shad and I vote each other. It's nice but not really essential. And confirming you isn't really relevant unless you survive tonight, which I don't see happening unless you're scum which I also doubt is the case
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Yeah, I can see how that makes sense from your perspective. It is just that we do not know which of you two is scum from ours lol.
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Do you think that death and shad are teammates together?
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I think Pxlated wanted to lynch shad or death. Dels is hard to understand cuz he was all over the fucking place all game but I think he wanted shad or death.
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I'm not really sure what to think.

Death, I feel is probably scum. His only potential scum teams that he announced were: Shad/Corrik (which I feel is impossible. I mean if they're both scum, kudos to them. Oscar worthy performance at the beginning of the game). And the other was Me/Shad (which I know is impossible, because I know I'm not scum). He wasn't even willing to lynch Shad yesterday, even when Dels came up with the plan. Though... thinking about it now, I wonder if he knew his scum buddy wouldn't vote for Dels, and so he knew there was no risk.

Corrik... I read the game, and I think "Yeah, he's town. I see it." I really do. But paranoia in the back of my mind is saying Corrik is a great scum player, and he's got this master plan. I should probably learn to trust my reads (especially later in the game)--they're usually not bad, but on better players I'm always less confident.

Panthera, same thing, really. I read the game and think "Yeah, he's town". I think only one post really pinged me as 'maybe scum?" But everything else has me leaning more town. But again, paranoia sets in and I think "WHAT IF THIS IS HIS PLAN ALL ALONG" I don't think I've played with Panthera for a looong time, so I can't remember his play. (then again it's been a long time since I've played with anyone.)

Going to still be looking back over Death today, even if we decide to lynch a jinjo (and if we do, I think we should make sure that there's a hammer like yesterday, so there's zero chance of a no lynch) There's something I seem to remember him saying that sort of bothered me when I was thinking over it this morning, but I might have misremembered it. Going to try and find that now.
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I kind of think so? I'd be fairly surprised if you were scum, and while I'm less confident about Ashe I still think he's town, so process of elimination points to Death and Shad by default. I suck at reading Death in general but he did strike me as scummy earlier in the game, I put it aside because my reads have been asstastic all game but I definitely don't have any reason to see him as town like I do you or Ashe. Shad is obviously really hard to make sense of since he was gone for days and thought he was being replaced but again, process of elimination.

I do worry a little that if Shad were scum, his team would have tried to contact him outside the game to get him back, meaning Death using the @ to summon him would be weird, but I can kind of see that being done to make them seem like they aren't teammates, especially if Shad was still making the occasional post on the scum board so Death would know he'd be getting a response. If I'm right they'd be worried that Chris' PoE pointed to them both so they would need to find some way of making it look weird for them to be teammates if they wanted to get anyone else lynched.
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Personally, I think you all could be scum every single one of you.

There are some I think look a tad better than others, but nothing in the range of nope this guy and this guy isn't.

Dels being town has thrown everything astray from before.

Like, I think the paralysis thing on shad looks terrible. I think his claim so early is something he doesn't do as scum.

Then I think about the rest of the game and there is literally nothing to go on.

Ashe had that catch on Mzero regarding his number of powers being wrong. That looks super good. But he also knew about the usurper beforehand. That looks terrible.

Panthera hasn't done much all game and Panthera I think is a great town player from last game. His game reeks of being off. He was noticably absent day 1. I am not sure he has been correct on a scum all day (granted the game has been dominated by scans).

Death looked really scummy with waiting for the Chris epiphany thing. Like he wanted to vote Mzero. Then again both Mzero and Leo were scum and death never waivered off the lynch either. I don't think death can be scum unless shad is his teammate. If death is scum, he could have used Dels to drive the mislynch on shad yesterday then gotten dead to rights mislynched for the game today.

Thus, unless shad is scum, I don't see how death can be.
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Dead to rights Dels*
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I still think you're too hung up on Shad claiming early when his role basically ensured people would want a claim from him the moment he showed up. It would be very hard for him to not claim at least partially without risking getting lynched.
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Panthera posted...

I still think you're too hung up on Shad claiming early when his role basically ensured people would want a claim from him the moment he showed up. It would be very hard for him to not claim at least partially without risking getting lynched.

It is literally the only thing I have for him being town... Lol
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friendly reminder that this is topic 15.
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Moo (tag)

@Shaduln

Who do you think is scum. Name 2.
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Ughhhghhh
I should have just actually went **** it and listened to Dels. I just couldnt get myself to trust him.

Now everything is possible.
Allthough I still feel Panth is unlikeliest to be scum yet even that I cant guarantee to myself.
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Why is Panthera the unlikeliest to be scum?
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Because both Leo and Han were willing to back up his special day1.
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htaeD posted...

Because both Leo and Han were willing to back up his special day1.

So you think Panthera is more town than I am?
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Not by much, but yeah.
Allthough I now realize any scumteam that doesnt have Panth on it, has two Jinjos on it.
Not impossible though I suppose.
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htaeD posted...

Not by much, but yeah.
Allthough I now realize any scumteam that doesnt have Panth on it, has two Jinjos on it.
Not impossible though I suppose.

So you think Ashethan and shad are scum?
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DoomTheGyarados
07/07/18 12:09:40 AM
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Time to start arguing for the Shad/Mzero/Death scum team, Dels my friend!
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Sir Chris

DoomTheGyarados
07/07/18 12:09:52 AM
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Dels/Shad/Death is my current pick from 1 to 3 for our scum team. Subject to change. Non binding. Discuss my observations and let me know if my PoE is sounding pure.
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Sir Chris

DoomTheGyarados
07/07/18 12:30:32 AM
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Dels/Mzero/Shad makes perfect sense as the 3 scum left if they were trying to bus mzero really.
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Sir Chris

DoomTheGyarados
07/07/18 1:05:59 AM
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CIRCLE OF TRUST

Pxl
Ashe
Panthera
Corrik
LOVABLE ME

BAD GUY
Mzero

POSSIBLE BAD GUYS
Dels/Death/Shad
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Sir Chris

Dels
07/10/18 9:01:32 AM
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I also think Shad and death are scum and the game will be won after I am lynched. If they are not, that's fine, but I'm not really gonna get there on anyone else. Game is probably already over, unless it really is Panthera or Ashe and we radically shift our views and open things up.

Have fun everyone!

FLURRY OF STYX!

pxlated
07/11/18 5:58:25 PM
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I mean shad really is who we ought to lynch today
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[various robot sounds]
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Thats the most likely team in my mind, but I am not gonna presume its that simple.
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Did you think Ashe was scum yesterday? Why now then?

So I have looked back and people have listed shad as scum and placed him in a higher priority time and time again yet have been the night kills.

Chris says scum in order and shad is higher than death. He dies at night.

Pxlated says shad should be the one they actually lynch today in reference to a death lynch. Pxlated dies last night.

Personally, I think you all could be scum. Ashe is maybe the least likely but still possible but it is way too damning that everyone who put shad as the higher priority to lynch died at night.

Personally, if I am wrong... Good game.

##vote: Shad

Scumhammer will come in the am if I am wrong. And if so I am sorry. I have been wrong a lot this game but a clear consensus has happened where the people who wanted shad dead prior to death were killed at night.

That is too strong to overlook and frankly makes death look pretty good when you think about it. I am not positive that death is the scum over Panthera. It is possible. But, I am sure a jinjo is scum and shad is most suspected and Ashe is my most likely to be town.

Couple that with the nightkills in relation to their comments, and I feel confident.

If scum does not hammer shad. It is because either I or him have to be scum. If he is town, they would hammer him if they could.

So, if I don't wake up tomorrow a goat for a bad decision, then it is on you to choose between us today and lynch right. I feel pretty good here.

Let's do this.
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God damn it Corrik lol

I don't approve of these kinds of high risk high reward type plays but it's probably right in this case anyway.
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Panthera posted...

God damn it Corrik lol

I don't approve of these kinds of high risk high reward type plays but it's probably right in this case anyway.

I play with my balls out. What can I say. Noted you and death are online together right now and no hammer yet. Probably rules u both out as a scum team.
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Corrik posted...

I play with my balls out. What can I say

That's why you're a Big Dick Hunter and I'm not
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