Current Events > I graduated from college and no one will interview me >_> (Comp Sci)

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Any tips from fellow comp sci grads?
How did you guys get an entry position

What kind of job are you going for?
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If you can't get an interview you're either bad and failing pre screening test or have made no effort
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its a joke degree now, we will have software innovative enough to mindlessly write code in a few years
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Be aggressive when you apply. Ask about the status of your application at least one week from when you applied. That's how I got my current gig.
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pogo_rabid posted...

What kind of job are you going for?

Junior Developer/Entry Level Software Developer.

Considering the way you post on here I'm not shocked nobody wants to hire you.
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Its how it is now

Which is why I like to watch those IMA MAKE 100K engineering students realize what the job force really is

I Like Toast posted...

If you can't get an interview you're either bad and failing pre screening test or have made no effort

A little of both. I've only ever had one interview. I made it through the phone interview then went to their building, had a tour, but then they filled the only spot with someone else :(

It was only 65k salary, but still....

better than nothing

Use a recruiter.
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Genocet_10-325 posted...

Considering the way you post on here I'm not shocked nobody wants to hire you.

I don't get past the resume screening. I did well in my interview... I made it to the last couple of people.
But I didn't know C# as well so they chose someone else.

soulunison2 posted...

Its how it is now

Which is why I like to watch those IMA MAKE 100K engineering students realize what the job force really is

I know people who got more than 100k salary, entry level from my senior design class.

They are go-getters though

I think that 100k meme for people is very real. Many companies have starting salaries at 100k for software developers.

Google, Amazon, AT and T etc

and the lesser big companies have salaries starting at 85k

then the smaller companies start around 65k

I just want a 65k or more starting salary. I don't know a single person who got offered less as their starting.

I live in California and 65k is the expected base salary for the position.

yeah, the developer market is really oversaturated and competitive. you might want to consider a job that doesn't involve programming in the meantime (ideally still in the IT world though)

also, if you want real critical feedback, you should ask people about your resume and how you can improve it, or tailor it to a particular job that you're applying for

Is is that no one will even reach out to you once you apply, or that you get an interview and then no job offer?

If it's the former, just apply to more jobs. Eventually someone will pick up your resume.

If it's the latter, then it's probably something with you (potentially a variety or reasons, not necessarily bad things, just improvements) that you need to work on.
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Milkman5 posted...

I think that 100k meme for people is very real. Many companies have starting salaries at 100k for software developers.

Google, Amazon, AT and T etc

and the lesser big companies have salaries starting at 85k

then the smaller companies start around 65k

I just want a 65k or more starting salary. I don't know a single person who got offered less as their starting.

I live in California and 65k is the expected base salary for the position.

My sweet Summer child

Is the developer market really that over-saturated? I thought companies were constantly complaining they can't fill their positions.

How did my classmates get so lucky?

I guess I really am that lazy.

I went to two job fairs and applied to like 40 places at the fair and only 2 of them even sent me emails.

Since I graduated, I've only applied to 3 places because I just don't know who to apply to/ I feel unmotivated.

Man I'm worried this is gonna be me in 6 months

Do you have any other internship/work experience on your resume?
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NightMarishPie posted...

Is is that no one will even reach out to you once you apply, or that you get an interview and then no job offer?

If it's the former, just apply to more jobs. Eventually someone will pick up your resume.

If it's the latter, then it's probably something with you (potentially a variety or reasons, not necessarily bad things, just improvements) that you need to work on.

I've only been interviewed once and I got through several of the stages. Like I said, they toured me at the company then I did problems on the white board for the company's panel of senior developers.

My recruiter told me I did good, but they filled the position with someone else from my school.

Since, I've only applied to like 3 places, like I said, just because I'm unmotivated and I feel like sending out my resume won't do anything.

Did you ever consider the fact that maybe no one wants to hire you because of your opinions on the Disney Star Wars films?

jk jk
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Milkman5 posted...

Is the developer market really that over-saturated? I thought companies were constantly complaining they can't fill their positions.

How did my classmates get so lucky?

I guess I really am that lazy.

I went to two job fairs and applied to like 40 places at the fair and only 2 of them even sent me emails.

Since I graduated, I've only applied to 3 places because I just don't know who to apply to/ I feel unmotivated.

Pretty much you said it

Go getting

Tbh I didnt get my first salaries job till I stated grad school and became a teacher

TeaMilk posted...

Man I'm worried this is gonna be me in 6 months

Do you have any other internship/work experience on your resume?

Nope. But you don't need one for internship experience.I know several people who got entry jobs after graduation with no experience, but they were obviously luckier than me.

There was a company in my area that hired 500 new developers (contracted by the government)

and I didn't apply in time :(

iHuman posted...

its a joke degree now, we will have software innovative enough to mindlessly write code in a few years

Yeah and we have software to displace engineers, lawyers, and doctors too

Doom_Art posted...

Did you ever consider the fact that maybe no one wants to hire you because of your opinions on the Disney Star Wars films?

jk jk

Shoot, maybe I should take my hatred of those movies off my resume

I'm looking for my first job out of college, and I'm 409 applications deep. Buckle the fuck up.
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Milkman5 posted...

NightMarishPie posted...

Is is that no one will even reach out to you once you apply, or that you get an interview and then no job offer?

If it's the former, just apply to more jobs. Eventually someone will pick up your resume.

If it's the latter, then it's probably something with you (potentially a variety or reasons, not necessarily bad things, just improvements) that you need to work on.

I've only been interviewed once and I got through several of the stages. Like I said, they toured me at the company then I did problems on the white board for the company's panel of senior developers.

My recruiter told me I did good, but they filled the position with someone else from my school.

Since, I've only applied to like 3 places, like I said, just because I'm unmotivated and I feel like sending out my resume won't do anything.

So, you haven't applied to enough places. You got rejected once and now you're all down.

Apply to more jobs and move on my man. I applied to ~100 jobs before I got mine as an engineer.
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Your CV is probably failing the automated screening. Try altering a little bit.

soulunison2 posted...

Pretty much you said it

Go getting

Tbh I didnt get my first salaries job till I stated grad school and became a teacher

How am I supposed to be a go-getter when these goofies don't even hit me up with an email after I send them my resume.

I mean this is a personal problem I have, but it's like... how am I supposed to be enthusiastic in my situation

:/

Milkman5 posted...

soulunison2 posted...

Pretty much you said it

Go getting

Tbh I didnt get my first salaries job till I stated grad school and became a teacher

How am I supposed to be a go-getter when these goofies don't even hit me up with an email after I send them my resume.

I mean this is a personal problem I have, but it's like... how am I supposed to be enthusiastic in my situation

:/

Ask you friends what they did

Guaranteed their resumes are stacked

Milkman5 posted...

soulunison2 posted...

Pretty much you said it

Go getting

Tbh I didnt get my first salaries job till I stated grad school and became a teacher

How am I supposed to be a go-getter when these goofies don't even hit me up with an email after I sent them my resume.

I mean this is a personal problem I have, but it's like... how am I supposed to be enthusiastic in my situation

:/

Dude just go into a company and shake the owner's hand, look him square in the eye and say "I'm your man," all you need is some gumption

I actually got all three of my jobs through craigslist because you directly email a human instead of going through some dumbass automated resume system. The whole hiring process is a convoluted web of bullshit

NightMarishPie posted...

So, you haven't applied to enough places. You got rejected once and now you're all down.

Apply to more jobs and move on my man.

yeah, I guess.

NightMarishPie posted...

I applied to ~100 jobs before I got mine as an engineer.

deupd_u posted...

I'm looking for my first job out of college, and I'm 409 applications deep. Buckle the f*** up.

What site did you guys use? Indeed?

I looked at usajobs and governmentjob and there's like... no listings for software developers. Same with Indeed in my city (well, there are a handful) and my city is huge (Los Angeles)

One interview out of 3 applications is actually pretty good. When I graduated college, a was applying to tons of places (I would try 5-10 a week). I got 3 interviews out of it, and 2 offers. It took me 5 months to find a job.

Dont be silly and give up after 3 applications. Also, job fairs are useless.

soulunison2 posted...

Ask you friends what they did

Guaranteed their resumes are stacked

I did. The guy who got the 100k+ entry job at google got referenced by someone else.

Apparently, if you are referenced for an interview at google, you can refer 3 other people to interview for them. Then he had 3 screenings, he did well, so they offered him like 110k and extra money to pay for him to move.

The other people I know got hired by a missile company that hired 500 people at the same time.

Then I know some people who got hired by NBC, by just applying at the right time. But they had to move to New York.

etc etc

For a lot of them, it was being in the right place, at the right time.

Cleo_II posted...

One interview out of 3 applications is actually pretty good. When I graduated college, a was applying to tons of places (I would try 5-10 a week). I got 3 interviews out of it, and 2 offers. It took me 5 months to find a job.

Dont be silly and give up after 3 applications. Also, job fairs are useless.

No, I got 1 interview from 40 applications from 2 job fairs. But that was earlier this year, before I graduated. I was applying for an entry level job for when I graduated, before I graduated because that is what you are supposed to do.

I applied to 3 places online. And only 3 since then and since I graduated.

The next good tech job fairs are in September.

Milkman5 posted...

NightMarishPie posted...

So, you haven't applied to enough places. You got rejected once and now you're all down.

Apply to more jobs and move on my man.

yeah, I guess.

NightMarishPie posted...

I applied to ~100 jobs before I got mine as an engineer.

deupd_u posted...

I'm looking for my first job out of college, and I'm 409 applications deep. Buckle the f*** up.

What site did you guys use? Indeed?

I looked at usajobs and governmentjob and there's like... no listings for software developers. Same with Indeed in my city (well, there are a handful) and my city is huge (Los Angeles)

Mainly indeed, monster and linkedin. I always remember seeing tons of software engineering/developer jobs on those websites.
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heres how it works when you graduate:

a small portion of the students are hyper-motivated and naturally predisposed to working professionally. they probably had like 3 internships, are presidents of a club, etc. these guys get the six figure entry level salaries with Google, Apple, MS, etc

the rest of you have to work hard to bridge that gap. that means pursuing certifications, self-teaching new skills, networking with everyone you know, practicing interview skills, getting out of your comfort zone and going to industry meetup type events, having people critique your resume, etc.you may also have to consider doing contract work, taking a "lesser" job that will get you to the type of job you want in the future, contacting recruiters, etc.

basically you have to hustle, that's the nature of working for most people in 2018
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Godnorgosh posted...

Milkman5 posted...

It was only 65k salary, but still....

Oh, man. You have no idea, do you?

65k is standard here, the cost of living in Los Angeles is high. The average developer makes more than 6 figures here. The problem is landing the job.

I looked on LinkedIn from graduates from my school from 6 years ago and they all make around 120k.

I've been told to always ask for 65k or walk, for a software developer job in Los Angeles/California.

It might be different in cheaper places

Romulox28 posted...

heres how it works when you graduate:

a small portion of the students are hyper-motivated and naturally predisposed to working professionally. they probably had like 3 internships, are presidents of a club, etc. these guys get the six figure entry level salaries with Google, Apple, MS, etc

the rest of you have to work hard to bridge that gap. that means pursuing certifications, self-teaching new skills, networking with everyone you know, practicing interview skills, getting out of your comfort zone and going to industry meetup type events, having people critique your resume, etc.you may also have to consider doing contract work, taking a "lesser" job that will get you to the type of job you want in the future, contacting recruiters, etc.

basically you have to hustle, that's the nature of working for most people in 2018

The bold seems about right. I know people who got 6 figure jobs and people with great internships who have told me they can't believe how easy it is to be successful and I'm just like...

lol

I think you have to be a special type of go-getter person to actually make 100k at your first job.

Milkman5 posted...

Cleo_II posted...

One interview out of 3 applications is actually pretty good. When I graduated college, a was applying to tons of places (I would try 5-10 a week). I got 3 interviews out of it, and 2 offers. It took me 5 months to find a job.

Dont be silly and give up after 3 applications. Also, job fairs are useless.

No, I got 1 interview from 40 applications from 2 job fairs. But that was earlier this year, before I graduated. I was applying for an entry level job for when I graduated, before I graduated because that is what you are supposed to do.

I applied to 3 places online. And only 3 since then and since I graduated.

The next good tech job fairs are in September.

I guess but I dont count job fair applications because theyre useless imo, lol. Applying online is the way to go.

Your resume might also need some work. You didnt do any internships, and thats also a negative. Do you list any school projects? Also, you can always do some coding on the side and make a github portfolio.

When my company was hiring new grads, they prioritized those with internships, projects and github accounts.

Just think, how many people in your city have graduated college with the same degree and the same time as you? Probably thousands. How many jobs are available for entry level candidates? Its going to be extremely competitive. But you have to keep fighting for it. Maybe even look out of state if you have to.

I have a github portfolio and I put my projects on my most recent resume. I'm making a website to demo my projects, but I feel like they won't look at them so I haven't been motivated to make the website.

I haven't been motivated to do anything... I kind of... gave up when I couldn't get a job at those two fairs while all my friends got a job from them.

I don't think employers will be that impressed with my projects anyway. I made a social networking phone app and a game in unity (made both with teams ofcourse.) And I linked specifically on the parts I worked on.

I talked about my app in my interview and they didn't seem impressed at all.

Milkman5 posted...

Romulox28 posted...

heres how it works when you graduate:

a small portion of the students are hyper-motivated and naturally predisposed to working professionally. they probably had like 3 internships, are presidents of a club, etc. these guys get the six figure entry level salaries with Google, Apple, MS, etc

the rest of you have to work hard to bridge that gap. that means pursuing certifications, self-teaching new skills, networking with everyone you know, practicing interview skills, getting out of your comfort zone and going to industry meetup type events, having people critique your resume, etc.you may also have to consider doing contract work, taking a "lesser" job that will get you to the type of job you want in the future, contacting recruiters, etc.

basically you have to hustle, that's the nature of working for most people in 2018

The bold seems about right. I know people who got 6 figure jobs and people with great internships who have told me they can't believe how easy it is to be successful and I'm just like...

lol

I think you have to be a special type of go-getter person to actually make 100k at your first job.

or just lucky, know the right people, etc.

one thing you'll learn as you gain professional experience is that the working world is that it's really not based on merit & ability like you're led to believe in college.

there's that old adage that success is when opportunity meets preparation, and i think that is very true.

ask yourself if you are doing everything that you can to get a job. are you hunting for work like it's a full time job? are you revising your resume? are you tailoring it for each role? are you researching companies in your area? are you connecting with people to see if anyone can help out? etc

idk about where you are but right now the job market is pretty hot so now is the time to put in 100% effort and roll the dice
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Milkman5 posted...

Romulox28 posted...

heres how it works when you graduate:

a small portion of the students are hyper-motivated and naturally predisposed to working professionally. they probably had like 3 internships, are presidents of a club, etc. these guys get the six figure entry level salaries with Google, Apple, MS, etc

the rest of you have to work hard to bridge that gap. that means pursuing certifications, self-teaching new skills, networking with everyone you know, practicing interview skills, getting out of your comfort zone and going to industry meetup type events, having people critique your resume, etc.you may also have to consider doing contract work, taking a "lesser" job that will get you to the type of job you want in the future, contacting recruiters, etc.

basically you have to hustle, that's the nature of working for most people in 2018

The bold seems about right. I know people who got 6 figure jobs and people with great internships who have told me they can't believe how easy it is to be successful and I'm just like...

lol

I think you have to be a special type of go-getter person to actually make 100k at your first job.

so did the people who you know who got these jobs have relevant experience (an internship, for instance) but you don't have that experience?

that's more than them just being in the right place at the right time, if so
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This past month and a half I have literally done nothing because it's just like... eh...

I doubt I'll be able to make anything that would impress anyone.

I've had employers tell me (from the fairs) that they want to see your projects on the market and sell well.

I'm currently working on bringing another app to the market with a team of grads as a side project, but we won't finish for another year, at least. It's a big project and then we will have to market it before it could ever be successful.

I don't want to wait a year to impress employers, but I mean, I guess I'll do that in the mean time anyway

Balrog0 posted...

so did the people who you know who got these jobs have relevant experience (an internship, for instance) but you don't have that experience?

that's more than them just being in the right place at the right time, if so

no. none of them had any experience. But like I said, some were literally referred for their interviews.
No one has ever referred me to anything and that says something about my ability I guess vs theirs. They got referred by classmates they impressed.

I appreciate all the advice btw.
I'm reading everything and taking it in.

I'll apply to more places on Indeed after I get people online to critique my resume.

post your resume with identifying info redacted
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