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KhanJohnny 07/02/18 1:22:34 PM #51: |
I never said American hands were clean. I said there was no organized policy of genocide. Killing lots of people, even indiscriminately, is not genocide in itself.
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RebelElite791 07/02/18 1:23:46 PM #52: |
KhanJohnny posted...
I never said American hands were clean. I said there was no organized policy of genocide. Killing lots of people, even indiscriminately, is not genocide in itself. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_indigenous_peoples#United_States_colonization_and_westward_expansion --- https://imgur.com/MS5SvzN Take better care of your teeth and f***, a lot more. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bio1590 07/02/18 1:29:18 PM #53: |
Sephiroth1288 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...The Great Muta 22 posted...Reminder that Mal cited D'Souza's work in regards to his knowledge about the history of WWII Take that up with your buddy Mal_Fet then. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sephiroth1288 07/02/18 1:29:58 PM #54: |
Bio1590 posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...hockeybub89 posted...The Great Muta 22 posted...Reminder that Mal cited D'Souza's work in regards to his knowledge about the history of WWII woooooosh. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bio1590 07/02/18 1:30:19 PM #55: |
"There was no organized policy of genocide"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_boarding_schools Okay --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheVipaGTS 07/02/18 1:31:30 PM #56: |
Dinesh is a little bitch.
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KhanJohnny 07/02/18 1:36:25 PM #57: |
1. Wikipedia, Rebel? Really?
2. You missed this part in your own link: " The United States has not been legally admonished by the international community for genocidal acts against its indigenous population", 3. This is also true: "many historians and academics describe events such as The Trail of Tears, the Sand Creek Massacre and the Mendocino War as genocidal in nature." Notice how it uses the word event, which I agree with. There were a few events where white colonists acted with genocidal intent towards native Americans, but these appear to be relatively isolated. There was no organized policy to destroy all Native Americans in the United States. Even the trail of tears was not an attempt to absolutely destroy all of those natives. 4. Also notice how your reliable wikipedia source does not include any reference to the historians who don't believe there was a genocide, even though there are many who dispute the notion. 5. It should also be noted that the concept of genocide did not exist at the time. 6. Its commonly known and accepted that disease killed about 75-90% of the native population and this was unintentional because the early white settlers didn't know how their diseases worked. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 07/02/18 1:38:44 PM #58: |
KhanJohnny posted...
5. It should also be noted that the concept of genocide did not exist at the time. People died of diseases before the medical community figure out what those diseases were. Does that mean the diseases didn't exist before then? "It happened before we had a word for that, so it wasn't that" --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ImTheMacheteGuy 07/02/18 1:41:55 PM #59: |
Sephiroth1288 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...The Great Muta 22 posted...Reminder that Mal cited D'Souza's work in regards to his knowledge about the history of WWII I'm glad you have finally come to terms with this reality. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KhanJohnny 07/02/18 1:43:54 PM #60: |
hockeybub89 posted...
KhanJohnny posted...5. It should also be noted that the concept of genocide did not exist at the time. That's a poor analogy. Genocide is a crime, and you cant charge people with a crime that doesn't exist at the time without violating the rule of legality. A disease is a physical reality which exists whether you know about it or not. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 07/02/18 1:44:09 PM #61: |
Sephiroth1288 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...The Great Muta 22 posted...Reminder that Mal cited D'Souza's work in regards to his knowledge about the history of WWII Finally you've joined the 99%. What's that called? Horseshoe theory? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KhanJohnny 07/02/18 1:44:50 PM #62: |
Bio1590 posted...
"There was no organized policy of genocide" Forced assimilaition may be cruel, or even evil, but it isn't genocide. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 07/02/18 1:45:23 PM #63: |
KhanJohnny posted...
hockeybub89 posted...KhanJohnny posted...5. It should also be noted that the concept of genocide did not exist at the time. A genocide is a genocide. It doesn't require a legal definition and no one is suggesting taking long dead corpses to trial --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Phantom_Nook 07/02/18 1:47:58 PM #64: |
Ron Paul is getting in on the fun.
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MC_BatCommander 07/02/18 1:50:13 PM #65: |
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TheVipaGTS 07/02/18 1:51:31 PM #66: |
Why are republicans so big on propaganda?
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RebelElite791 07/02/18 1:58:10 PM #67: |
I was gonna say damn Ben Garrison really flew even further off the deep-end but that's not actually his cartoon.
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KhanJohnny 07/02/18 2:05:57 PM #68: |
hockeybub89
A genocide is a genocide. It doesn't require a legal definition and no one is suggesting taking long dead corpses to trial There was no genocidal policy legally or in reality. There were a few events that were genocidal and more than a few white people acted in a genocidal manner with a genocidal intent against the natives. But there was no federal policy calling for the genocide of Native Americans. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sephiroth1288 07/02/18 2:09:14 PM #69: |
ImTheMacheteGuy posted...
I'm glad you have finally come to terms with this reality. hockeybub89 posted... Finally you've joined the 99%. ....Ok do you guys genuinely believe that minimum wage, wage ceilings, and more business regulations are right wing policies or are you just trying to be cute --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 07/02/18 2:13:15 PM #70: |
KhanJohnny posted...
hockeybub89 I mean there's two possibilities here. We knew what would happen and did it anyway or we accidentally almost eradicated a native population. So genocide or a really stupid tragedy. We didn't exactly hold anyone accountable for those "isolated genocidal events" within that forced relocation or that President Jackson gave a fuck. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheVipaGTS 07/02/18 2:16:59 PM #71: |
Why are people literally defending genocide ITT by using technicalities?
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hockeybub89 07/02/18 2:17:44 PM #72: |
Sephiroth1288 posted...
...Ok do you guys genuinely believe that minimum wage, wage ceilings, and more business regulations are right wing policies or are you just trying to be cute Do you genuinely disagree with almost everyone and instead agree with the historical interpretations of a shock jock that retweeted "#burnthejews"? The left has communist Russia and communist everyone else. You don't get to hand them the Nazis just because you think big government is incompatible with right-wing fascist ideologies. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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KhanJohnny 07/02/18 2:20:34 PM #73: |
hockeybub89 posted...
KhanJohnny posted...hockeybub89 Third possibility: There was a huge, mostly accidental tragedy which killed the vast majority of Native Americans coupled with a malevolent campaign of colonization and oppression that capitalized on the demographic disaster caused by the native Americans lack of immunity to Eurasian diseases. We don't have to make what happened any cleaner by denying the atrocities that most certainly occurred nor hyperbolize by throwing out genocide like a buzzword. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sephiroth1288 07/02/18 2:21:47 PM #74: |
hockeybub89 posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted......Ok do you guys genuinely believe that minimum wage, wage ceilings, and more business regulations are right wing policies or are you just trying to be cute If you want an example of a corrupt right-wing dictatorship, look at Pinochet's Chile. You'll notice some striking differences between his policies and Hitler's/Mussolini's. I mean the very fact that fascism is collectivist in nature pretty much negates by itself the claim that it's right-wing. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bio1590 07/02/18 2:24:22 PM #75: |
TheVipaGTS posted...
Why are people literally defending genocide ITT by using technicalities? Because it makes the US look bad. They already struggle enough accepting what they did to black people, god forbid they purposely fucked up another group of people as well. Canada and Australia have the same problem when it comes to their indigenous populations as well. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 07/02/18 2:24:34 PM #76: |
Sephiroth1288 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...Sephiroth1288 posted......Ok do you guys genuinely believe that minimum wage, wage ceilings, and more business regulations are right wing policies or are you just trying to be cute Man you really should get into history and poli-sci. You could literally change everything humanity knows with your unique insights. It must suck to be the only one in the room who knows the truth --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sephiroth1288 07/02/18 2:27:10 PM #77: |
hockeybub89 posted...
Man you really should get into history and poli-sci. You could literally change everything humanity knows with your unique insights. It must suck to be the only one in the room who knows the truth Can you explain how minimum wage laws are right wing or can't you Or public infrastructure programs Or wage ceiling for people who make a lot of money Or heavy business regulations Or collectivism in general --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Bio1590 07/02/18 2:27:40 PM #78: |
KhanJohnny posted...
hockeybub89 posted...KhanJohnny posted...hockeybub89 So...genocide. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 07/02/18 2:29:17 PM #79: |
Sephiroth1288 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...Man you really should get into history and poli-sci. You could literally change everything humanity knows with your unique insights. It must suck to be the only one in the room who knows the truth Can you explain why you're the only one who gets this? Has the Western world secretly been run by far-left SJWs for decades that seek to crush the truth of fascism because it makes them look bad? --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 07/02/18 2:30:56 PM #80: |
Bio1590 posted...
KhanJohnny posted...hockeybub89 posted...KhanJohnny posted...hockeybub89 "It wasn't genocide! It was some genocide combined with accidentally killing the other natives and not feeling particularly bad about it! Get it right!" --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sephiroth1288 07/02/18 2:32:08 PM #81: |
hockeybub89 posted...
Sephiroth1288 posted...hockeybub89 posted...Man you really should get into history and poli-sci. You could literally change everything humanity knows with your unique insights. It must suck to be the only one in the room who knows the truth So your answer is "no". Gotcha. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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RebelElite791 07/02/18 2:39:06 PM #82: |
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MC_BatCommander 07/02/18 2:40:18 PM #83: |
and the thread has been thoroughly derailed, y'all got played by Mal again
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Sephiroth1288 07/02/18 2:40:47 PM #84: |
MC_BatCommander posted...
and the thread has been thoroughly derailed, y'all got played by Mal again Hey don't blame me, I didn't bring it up. --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ThyCorndog 07/02/18 2:42:30 PM #85: |
the american indian genocide is one of the worst genocides in history. why are we pretending like it didn't happen and that it wasn't malicious
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mario2000 07/02/18 2:43:14 PM #86: |
who knew a convicted criminal would be a scumbag
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ultimate reaver 07/02/18 2:44:25 PM #87: |
stop quoting admiral junior folks.
this is incredibly ridiculous. how do you miss something like that in something as small as a tweet? --- butts ... Copied to Clipboard!
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mario2000 07/02/18 2:48:10 PM #88: |
so who's defended him itt so far
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TheVipaGTS 07/02/18 2:52:40 PM #90: |
mario2000 posted...
so who's defended him itt so far Mal --- Dallas Cowboys: 1 - 1 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 07/02/18 2:52:57 PM #91: |
Sephiroth1288 posted...
hockeybub89 posted...Sephiroth1288 posted...hockeybub89 posted...Man you really should get into history and poli-sci. You could literally change everything humanity knows with your unique insights. It must suck to be the only one in the room who knows the truth So what is it you know that experts for the past 80 years have missed? Just lol at calling the Nazis far-left I'll even give you that it isn't exactly at the far pole from the left, but I can't believe you just hardwave away ethnic cleansing, social conservatism, ultranationalism, autarky, and the fact that they did not reject capitalism or private ownership. "But they didn't have a truly free market and had some government programs outside of the military, so that makes them far-left!" And don't say "but the USSR" or some shit because I am not sitting here jumping through hoops and rejecting common knowledge because I don't want a bad guy on my team. The Soviets were on the left and they were very bad. Stalin killed more people than anyone. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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mario2000 07/02/18 2:56:05 PM #92: |
TheVipaGTS posted...
mario2000 posted...so who's defended him itt so far as expected --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hockeybub89 07/02/18 3:00:17 PM #93: |
CrimsonRage posted...
none of those are incompatible with right-wing ideology. especially "collectivism". Every society ever is left-wing if Mal is correct. --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Blue_Inigo 07/02/18 3:03:31 PM #94: |
TheVipaGTS posted...
mario2000 posted...so who's defended him itt so far Defending Nazis is his MO --- "This is your last dance." ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Funbazooka 07/02/18 3:11:57 PM #95: |
I can't imagine he would knowingly and deliberately tweet that. Probably was an accident.
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KhanJohnny 07/02/18 3:13:15 PM #96: |
hockeybub89 posted...
Bio1590 posted...KhanJohnny posted...hockeybub89 posted...KhanJohnny posted...hockeybub89 Colonization and oppression aren't genocide under any definition of the term. I am arguing that the United States government is not responsible for any genocide, although it is for treaty-breaking, imperialism, and colonizatiom. There were a handful of white settlers who had genocidal intent, but they didn't represent any government entity, nor did they have any real or substantial impact on indigenous populations in the aggregate. I invite you to prove otherwise, since you claim there was a genocide. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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mario2000 07/02/18 3:17:30 PM #98: |
CrimsonRage posted...
Blue_Inigo posted...TheVipaGTS posted...mario2000 posted...so who's defended him itt so far nice avatar --- Arrrr the SS Goku, Mighty fine boat... -fatmatt Hope Frieza doesn't chuck an Iceberg at the Goku, otherwise it's all over. -Nekoslash ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Sephiroth1288 07/02/18 3:30:27 PM #100: |
CrimsonRage posted...
none of those are incompatible with right-wing ideology. especially "collectivism". Is it the right or the left what more supports those things? hockeybub89 posted... Just lol at calling the Nazis far-left I'll even give you that it isn't exactly at the far pole from the left, but I can't believe you just hardwave away ethnic cleansing, social conservatism, ultranationalism, autarky, and the fact that they did not reject capitalism or private ownership. Ethic cleansing is right wing? Well then I guess FDR was right-wing too Nationalism is right wing? I guess Stalin was right wing too Fascists weren't autarkist. North Korea is; that's a cardinal virtue of Juche. Are they right wing? Nor were fascists big on private ownership. They allowed private property...as long as you used it in exactly the ways the state demanded you to. They basically dictated to companies what they were to produce and at what price they were to sell it. Let's try something else: what do you believe right wing ideology consists of? --- The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Friend Code: 2723-9696-7248 ... Copied to Clipboard!
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