Current Events > Do you think gender roles should be done away with?

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I see them as a construct based off biology and think that even though society seems to want to do away with them, they'll always be around in some shape or form.
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Yeah lol.
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what do you mean by gender role?

i don't think it's possible due to how they're related to biology
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What do you mean done away with?
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We don't need women anymore once we get sex dolls.
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Patty_Fleur posted...

We don't need women anymore once we get sex dolls.

Sex dolls might wet your weenie but they don't soothe your heart.
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Patty_Fleur posted...

We don't need women anymore once we get sex dolls.

Some are being developed so they can say no.

frozenshock posted...

Patty_Fleur posted...

We don't need women anymore once we get sex dolls.

Sex dolls might wet your weenie but they don't soothe your heart.

Wait, they don't come with a mute option?
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Milkman5 posted...

what do you mean by gender role?

Boys should act a certain way and treat women a certain way because they are male and females are not.

The type of thinking that says a woman should be able to slap a man but he should not hit her back because he is a male and stronger etc.

Boys play with toy trucks and girls play with dolls type of thinking.
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no. I think enforcing gender roles should be done away with. you do you. leave everyone else to be who they want to be.
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Yes, do away with them, I say. I'd rather society just let you be who you are instead of pushing narrow roles and expectations on you. If you like the more traditional gender roles, great, but it should be ok if you don't.
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Master_Bass posted...

Yes, do away with them, I say. I'd rather society just let you be who you are instead of pushing narrow roles and expectations on you. If you like the more traditional gender roles, great, but it should be ok if you don't.

Gender role enforcement has made it possible for Solange to kick the shit out of JZ in an elevator and have the media treat it mildly like she had a nervous breakdown.

Were it any man doing that to a woman, gender role enforcement would have made it national news resulting in his career suicide.
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Master_Bass posted...

Yes, do away with them, I say. I'd rather society just let you be who you are instead of pushing narrow roles and expectations on you. If you like the more traditional gender roles, great, but it should be ok if you don't.

Well, yeah.

But at the same time we can't pretend that boys and girl are the same either.

And we shouldn't force little girls to play with cars and little boys to play with barbies just because.

But for the love of god please stop asking that poor 30-year-old girl "when are you gonna get married and have kids?"
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The thing is, people are naturally attracted to gender roles

Most men like feminine women and most women like masculine guys.

You can't change nature
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frozenshock posted...

30-year-old girl

You mean 30-year-old WOMAN!
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

frozenshock posted...

30-year-old girl

You mean 30-year-old WOMAN!

Calm the fuck down.
He did not meant that in a disrespectful way.

Try understanding those who you would like understanding from.
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Men should no longer protect women?
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MedzXVIII posted...

Men should no longer protect women?

Why should it only be men protecting women?
Why can't women also protect women, or women protecting men?
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KINDERFELD posted...

MedzXVIII posted...

Men should no longer protect women?

Why should it only be men protecting women?
Why can't women also protect women, or women protecting men?

I agree
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KINDERFELD posted...

a construct based off biology

Here's the problem. While it's absolutely true that reproductive gender roles are written into our biology, the definition of traditional gender roles goes far, far beyond that. You can say that reproduction is fundamental to humankind (even that has some work-arounds nowadays), but you can't say that things like 'men work, women raise children' is the defacto normal.

Perhaps more importantly, the idea that we somehow always have to come back to 'biology' is flawed. Biologically speaking, we are susceptible to a great many natural illnesses that should reduce our lifespan. However, we've developed technology to counteract that, such as penicillin or vaccinations. Now, no one is saying, "Well, we should do away with hospitals and medicine because diseases purging us is our natural default state".

Dash_Harber posted...

KINDERFELD posted...

a construct based off biology

Here's the problem. While it's absolutely true that reproductive gender roles are written into our biology, the definition of traditional gender roles goes far, far beyond that. You can say that reproduction is fundamental to humankind (even that has some work-arounds nowadays), but you can't say that things like 'men work, women raise children' is the defacto normal.

Perhaps more importantly, the idea that we somehow always have to come back to 'biology' is flawed. Biologically speaking, we are susceptible to a great many natural illnesses that should reduce our lifespan. However, we've developed technology to counteract that, such as penicillin or vaccinations. Now, no one is saying, "Well, we should do away with hospitals and medicine because diseases purging us is our natural default state".

So do you think we'll become this gender neutral society one day?
I only see that possible through scientific methods.
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Differences should be celebrated.

Not sure why making men and women neutral automatons is appealing at all.
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KINDERFELD posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

KINDERFELD posted...

a construct based off biology

Here's the problem. While it's absolutely true that reproductive gender roles are written into our biology, the definition of traditional gender roles goes far, far beyond that. You can say that reproduction is fundamental to humankind (even that has some work-arounds nowadays), but you can't say that things like 'men work, women raise children' is the defacto normal.

Perhaps more importantly, the idea that we somehow always have to come back to 'biology' is flawed. Biologically speaking, we are susceptible to a great many natural illnesses that should reduce our lifespan. However, we've developed technology to counteract that, such as penicillin or vaccinations. Now, no one is saying, "Well, we should do away with hospitals and medicine because diseases purging us is our natural default state".

So do you think we'll become this gender neutral society one day?
I only see that possible through scientific methods.

I have no idea. I have no expertise on the subject. I don't really care, either, honestly. My gender is not so important to me that I feel the need to make it publicly known in order to feel secure. Like, it's only important to me and my partner.

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Dash_Harber posted...

KINDERFELD posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

KINDERFELD posted...

a construct based off biology

Here's the problem. While it's absolutely true that reproductive gender roles are written into our biology, the definition of traditional gender roles goes far, far beyond that. You can say that reproduction is fundamental to humankind (even that has some work-arounds nowadays), but you can't say that things like 'men work, women raise children' is the defacto normal.

Perhaps more importantly, the idea that we somehow always have to come back to 'biology' is flawed. Biologically speaking, we are susceptible to a great many natural illnesses that should reduce our lifespan. However, we've developed technology to counteract that, such as penicillin or vaccinations. Now, no one is saying, "Well, we should do away with hospitals and medicine because diseases purging us is our natural default state".

So do you think we'll become this gender neutral society one day?
I only see that possible through scientific methods.

I have no idea. I have no expertise on the subject. I don't really care, either, honestly. My gender is not so important to me that I feel the need to make it publicly known in order to feel secure. Like, it's only important to me and my partner.

I couldn't agree with you more.
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KINDERFELD posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

KINDERFELD posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

KINDERFELD posted...

a construct based off biology

Here's the problem. While it's absolutely true that reproductive gender roles are written into our biology, the definition of traditional gender roles goes far, far beyond that. You can say that reproduction is fundamental to humankind (even that has some work-arounds nowadays), but you can't say that things like 'men work, women raise children' is the defacto normal.

Perhaps more importantly, the idea that we somehow always have to come back to 'biology' is flawed. Biologically speaking, we are susceptible to a great many natural illnesses that should reduce our lifespan. However, we've developed technology to counteract that, such as penicillin or vaccinations. Now, no one is saying, "Well, we should do away with hospitals and medicine because diseases purging us is our natural default state".

So do you think we'll become this gender neutral society one day?
I only see that possible through scientific methods.

I have no idea. I have no expertise on the subject. I don't really care, either, honestly. My gender is not so important to me that I feel the need to make it publicly known in order to feel secure. Like, it's only important to me and my partner.

I couldn't agree with you more.

I realize, though, that could be construed as me being against gender neutrality, when I tend to favor it in most situations since neither outcome affects me, but traditionally, going against gender neutrality has tended to persecute people, while being for it tends to not negatively affect anyone. I just mean that personally, it doesn't affect me, so I support the outcome that allows the most people to live happy.

Do you think gender roles should be done away with?

i think we should leave it up to people to determine that for themselves individually, like they already do now...

some people are actually more comfortable functioning with their established roles
and surprise surprise sometimes those roles involve gender

we tell a lot of modern women that they can be anything they want besides housewives
but a bunch of them still gravitate back to those old traditional roles out of comfort and familiarity

i ain't gonna hate on them for that, that's their choice

Dash_Harber posted...

KINDERFELD posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

KINDERFELD posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

KINDERFELD posted...

a construct based off biology

Here's the problem. While it's absolutely true that reproductive gender roles are written into our biology, the definition of traditional gender roles goes far, far beyond that. You can say that reproduction is fundamental to humankind (even that has some work-arounds nowadays), but you can't say that things like 'men work, women raise children' is the defacto normal.

Perhaps more importantly, the idea that we somehow always have to come back to 'biology' is flawed. Biologically speaking, we are susceptible to a great many natural illnesses that should reduce our lifespan. However, we've developed technology to counteract that, such as penicillin or vaccinations. Now, no one is saying, "Well, we should do away with hospitals and medicine because diseases purging us is our natural default state".

So do you think we'll become this gender neutral society one day?
I only see that possible through scientific methods.

I have no idea. I have no expertise on the subject. I don't really care, either, honestly. My gender is not so important to me that I feel the need to make it publicly known in order to feel secure. Like, it's only important to me and my partner.

I couldn't agree with you more.

I realize, though, that could be construed as me being against gender neutrality, when I tend to favor it in most situations since neither outcome affects me, but traditionally, going against gender neutrality has tended to persecute people, while being for it tends to not negatively affect anyone. I just mean that personally, it doesn't affect me, so I support the outcome that allows the most people to live happy.

Same here.
But this notion that its some evil concoction to opress others, I believe is half-truth.
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NonDairyMiltank posted...

i think we should leave it up to people to determine that for themselves individually, like they already do now...

some people are actually more comfortable functioning with their established roles
and surprise surprise sometimes those roles involve gender

we tell a lot of modern women that they can be anything they want besides housewives
but a bunch of them still gravitate back to those old traditional roles out of comfort and familiarity

i ain't gonna hate on them for that, that's their choice

That's the way it should be.
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Gender roles shouldn't be enforced, its fine if its your own choice

KINDERFELD posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

KINDERFELD posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

KINDERFELD posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

KINDERFELD posted...

a construct based off biology

Here's the problem. While it's absolutely true that reproductive gender roles are written into our biology, the definition of traditional gender roles goes far, far beyond that. You can say that reproduction is fundamental to humankind (even that has some work-arounds nowadays), but you can't say that things like 'men work, women raise children' is the defacto normal.

Perhaps more importantly, the idea that we somehow always have to come back to 'biology' is flawed. Biologically speaking, we are susceptible to a great many natural illnesses that should reduce our lifespan. However, we've developed technology to counteract that, such as penicillin or vaccinations. Now, no one is saying, "Well, we should do away with hospitals and medicine because diseases purging us is our natural default state".

So do you think we'll become this gender neutral society one day?
I only see that possible through scientific methods.

I have no idea. I have no expertise on the subject. I don't really care, either, honestly. My gender is not so important to me that I feel the need to make it publicly known in order to feel secure. Like, it's only important to me and my partner.

I couldn't agree with you more.

I realize, though, that could be construed as me being against gender neutrality, when I tend to favor it in most situations since neither outcome affects me, but traditionally, going against gender neutrality has tended to persecute people, while being for it tends to not negatively affect anyone. I just mean that personally, it doesn't affect me, so I support the outcome that allows the most people to live happy.

Same here.
But this notion that its some evil concoction to opress others, I believe is half-truth.

I don't know about that. I think a lot of the standards and facets of our society where established in times when people did not have the freedom to be who they wanted or when certain races were persecuted or when certain sexes had certain expectations. We don't live in those times anymore and we shouldn't be held accountable to that. As a society, we've made some decent progress. However, on the books are a lot old laws that still see the world that way and it's not about people actively oppressing others, but being brave enough to recognize that things may not be as fair as we want and acknowledging the problems that come up so that we can change the things that don't work and move forward instead of pretending everyone always has personal freedom that some of us may experience purely due to circumstances outside of our control.

No, as it is impossible. The only thing society should do is encourage people not to shame others who do things differently.

KINDERFELD posted...

Master_Bass posted...

Yes, do away with them, I say. I'd rather society just let you be who you are instead of pushing narrow roles and expectations on you. If you like the more traditional gender roles, great, but it should be ok if you don't.

Gender role enforcement has made it possible for Solange to kick the shit out of JZ in an elevator and have the media treat it mildly like she had a nervous breakdown.

Were it any man doing that to a woman, gender role enforcement would have made it national news resulting in his career suicide.

Nah.

Chris Brown beat the shit out of Rihanna, and he's still selling out stadiums across America.
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How could this be enforced, at all?

Bandit_Keith posted...

KINDERFELD posted...

Master_Bass posted...

Yes, do away with them, I say. I'd rather society just let you be who you are instead of pushing narrow roles and expectations on you. If you like the more traditional gender roles, great, but it should be ok if you don't.

Gender role enforcement has made it possible for Solange to kick the shit out of JZ in an elevator and have the media treat it mildly like she had a nervous breakdown.

Were it any man doing that to a woman, gender role enforcement would have made it national news resulting in his career suicide.

Nah.

Chris Brown beat the shit out of Rihanna, and he's still selling out stadiums across America.

But how did the media paint him for more than a year?
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Bandit_Keith posted...

Chris Brown beat the shit out of Rihanna, and he's still selling out stadiums across America.

Why didn't Rihanna file a restraining order against him?
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here, here. Women should be forced into jobs they don't want. We shall not rest until there is an equal amount of female sanitation workers.
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BillyKidd posted...

here, here. Women should be forced into jobs they don't want. We shall not rest until there is an equal amount of female sanitation workers.

To be fair, I doubt most men really want that job either. There's just money there.
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Asherlee10 posted...

BillyKidd posted...

here, here. Women should be forced into jobs they don't want. We shall not rest until there is an equal amount of female sanitation workers.

I don't understand what point you are trying to convey.

That there shouldn't be "Forced Equality of Outcome" in the work field.
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I think they're a largely irrelevant social construct these days. No reason we can't get rid of them.
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tamashiini posted...

I think they're a largely irrelevant social construct these days. No reason we can't get rid of them.

All because something is old doesn't mean you throw it away.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

tamashiini posted...

I think they're a largely irrelevant social construct these days. No reason we can't get rid of them.

All because something is old doesn't mean you throw it away.

Counterpoint: just because something has always been done a certain way doesn't mean it's useful.
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tamashiini posted...

Counterpoint: just because something has always been done a certain way doesn't mean it's useful.

That's why you let the people choose what they want to do instead of forcing crap on them!
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Should more women kill themselves to make the suicide rates more even?
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MedzXVIII posted...

Should more women kill themselves to make the suicide rates more even?

There is a stigma that makes men appear weak and incompetent when they don't successfully go through with suicide.
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There is more men than women in prison. Justice system is sexist
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Asherlee10 posted...

KamenRiderBlade posted...

Asherlee10 posted...

BillyKidd posted...

here, here. Women should be forced into jobs they don't want. We shall not rest until there is an equal amount of female sanitation workers.

I don't understand what point you are trying to convey.

That there shouldn't be "Forced Equality of Outcome" in the work field.

I'd rather him explain what he means.

Pretty much what they said. I just didn't know there was a term for it. Girls are being pushed into fields that they don't have any interest in, but because "there's not enough women working in (profession) field", are told to feel obligated to work where they don't want to.
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