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What the contrived fuck, how is that even a plotline in season 6 of buffy. First off she's the slayer and has super strength, so no one is gonna be even strong enough to even dare rape her, she'll just kick their ass. I don't understand that bathroom scene at all.

Also did spike's hair get... blonder?

yes season 6 of buffy is horrible
its best to just skip it and pretend it never happened
other than the musical episode
that one was great

everyone got so unlikable in season 6. except tara who was at her most likable during season 6. she was a shining gem in the horse manure that was buffy season 6

but because season 6 is awful it had to kill tara off
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I don't really remember this

anyway Spike is a ripoff of Lestat. his origin story is practically stolen from the novel, The Vampire Lestat.

Zikten posted...

I don't really remember this

anyway Spike is a ripoff of Lestat. his origin story is practically stolen from the novel, The Vampire Lestat.

it happens towards the end of season 6 after buffy ends her sexual relationship with spike
basically he pushes her down on her bathroom floor and tries to have sex with her while she is crying and screaming until she remembers she is stronger than he is and throws him into the wall
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yusiko posted...

Zikten posted...

I don't really remember this

anyway Spike is a ripoff of Lestat. his origin story is practically stolen from the novel, The Vampire Lestat.

it happens towards the end of season 6 after buffy ends her sexual relationship with spike
basically he pushes her down on her bathroom floor and tries to have sex with her while she is crying and screaming until she remembers she is stronger than he is and throws him into the wall

oh I actually totally forgot they had an affair. I still don't remember that scene. but I remember them fucking now

i didnt care for season 7 of buffy either
buffy seasons 1 through 5 are classic
6 and 7 were a weak end to a great series.
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Wasnt that when she was all broken mentally? From her experience of Being taken from heaven after she died?
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wasnt that the season with buffy feeling kind of numb to everything for a while after being resurrected ?

i remember her being with spike until he realized she was using him for sex and walked away
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DD Divine posted...

Wasnt that when she was all broken mentally? From her experience of Being taken from heaven after she died?

yes
its an accurate portrayal of depression but not fun to watch
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i dont think you get how the whole spoiler warning thing works
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yusiko posted...

yes season 6 of buffy is horrible
its best to just skip it and pretend it never happened
other than the musical episode
that one was great

everyone got so unlikable in season 6. except tara who was at her most likable during season 6. she was a shining gem in the horse manure that was buffy season 6

but because season 6 is awful it had to kill tara off

Wait tara didn't die yet until season 6? Huh that makes sense, so when does willow become gothy emo willow? Also I thought the musical episode was season 5, I'm misremembering a lot of the timeline of events.

Scrubs had the musical season 6 as well, I wonder if other shows did their musical episode in the 6th season after buffy.

xyphilia posted...

yusiko posted...

yes season 6 of buffy is horrible
its best to just skip it and pretend it never happened
other than the musical episode
that one was great

everyone got so unlikable in season 6. except tara who was at her most likable during season 6. she was a shining gem in the horse manure that was buffy season 6

but because season 6 is awful it had to kill tara off

Wait tara didn't die yet until season 6? Huh that makes sense, so when does willow become gothy emo willow? Also I thought the musical episode was season 5, I'm misremembering a lot of the timeline of events.

Scrubs had the musical season 6 as well, I wonder if other shows did their musical episode in the 6th season after buffy.

I feel like the Willow storyline only existed to show Xander as being capable of doing something.
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Also, Spike is loads better in Angel.
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They should have just killed Spike and Dru off at the end of season 2 like they had originally intended.

They completely ruined what was arguably the best villain of either show with that nonsense...
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There's a bit of nuance to this scene depending how deep you wanna go.

Up until this point Spike and Buffy had been having very rough sex, including violent foreplay, there had even been times when they both said "no" but carried on anyway. I'm not sure Spike realized it was different this time until it was too late and even if he did, he's soulless and not much more than a monster (literally a demon).

That's not an attempt to excuse him or blame Buffy but rather defending the scene as it's not out of character for Spike and it becomes the motivator for him getting his soul back which puts him on a very cool redemption arc.

It is a disturbing scene though, very uncomfortable whenever I've watched it.
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Isn't he a soulless monster? Only Angel had a soul.
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Bringit posted...

and it becomes the motivator for him getting his soul back which puts him on a very cool redemption arc.

Spoilers, don't know how far TC is.
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Season 6 Willow was terrible.

Season 6 start: Whaaa, I miss Buffy. I'll bring her back to life.

Season 6 end: I'm going to kick Buffy's ass then kill her.
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Bringit posted...

There's a bit of nuance to this scene depending how deep you wanna go.

Up until this point Spike and Buffy had been having very rough sex, including violent foreplay, there had even been times when they both said "no" but carried on anyway. I'm not sure Spike realized it was different this time until it was too late and even if he did, he's soulless and not much more than a monster (literally a demon).

That's not an attempt to excuse him or blame Buffy but rather defending the scene as it's not out of character for Spike

This. IIRC, the scene is even shot in such a way that you go from Buffy's "he's trying to rape me" perspective to Spike's "if we just have sex, she'll remember she loves me" perspective. It's the culmination of their relationship; Spike feeds Buffy's depression and nigh-suicidal tendencies so she'll continue the relationship while Buffy abuses Spike's feelings for her to have extremely violent, self-destructive sex.

Incidentally, the bathroom scene would be the exact reason you have a safeword in that kind of relationship.
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Webmaster4531 posted...

Isn't he a soulless monster? Only Angel had a soul.

He gets it back in the very last scene of the season.
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0TiamaT0 posted...

They should have just killed Spike and Dru off at the end of season 2 like they had originally intended.

They completely ruined what was arguably the best villain of either show with that nonsense...

No because spike was great in angel

But yeah as much as i loved buffy, the only good seasons were 2, 3, and 5
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6 was trash
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Duwstai posted...

But yeah as much as i loved buffy, the only good seasons were 2, 3, and 5

you forgot 1 and 4

1 was cheesy fun
4 was mainly filler but it was fun filler
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Jiggy101011 posted...

Also, Spike is loads better in Angel.

he really is, it's crazy
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Duwstai posted...

0TiamaT0 posted...

They should have just killed Spike and Dru off at the end of season 2 like they had originally intended.

They completely ruined what was arguably the best villain of either show with that nonsense...

No because spike was great in angel

But yeah as much as i loved buffy, the only good seasons were 2, 3, and 5

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prince_leo posted...

Jiggy101011 posted...

Also, Spike is loads better in Angel.

he really is, it's crazy

One of my favorite things I read about the shows was a TV Guide interview with David and James, where they talked about why the characters meshed so well. I'm (probably) paraphrasing, but David said "The thing I love most about Spike is that he brings out the absolute worst in Angel. He makes Angel incredibly petty."
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fun fact, joss whedon confirmed that angel and spike have slept together before back when they were evil with darla and drusilla
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yusiko posted...

fun fact, joss whedon confirmed that angel and spike have slept together before back when they were evil with darla and drusilla

Only once or twice according to the show
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ScofieldReturns posted...

yusiko posted...

fun fact, joss whedon confirmed that angel and spike have slept together before back when they were evil with darla and drusilla

Only once or twice according to the show

yeah they were drunk
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the real question is
who was the top and who was the bottom?
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yusiko posted...

Duwstai posted...

But yeah as much as i loved buffy, the only good seasons were 2, 3, and 5

you forgot 1 and 4

1 was cheesy fun
4 was mainly filler but it was fun filler

I'll agree with 1.

4 no. Just less bad than 6 and 7
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yusiko posted...

the real question is
who was the top and who was the bottom?

That's not a question, Angelus would absolutely have been the top.
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Zikten posted...

I don't really remember this

anyway Spike is a ripoff of Lestat. his origin story is practically stolen from the novel, The Vampire Lestat.

What? Spike was a nerd who was turned into a vampire by a woman he was in love with. What does he have in common with Lestat other than being a blond vampire?
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pegusus123456 posted...

yusiko posted...

the real question is
who was the top and who was the bottom?

That's not a question, Angelus would absolutely have been the top.

i dont know about that
in season 2 when spike had angel chained up and shirtless angel sure seemed comfortable with spike dominating him (this was also the point where david boreaneas learned how to act)
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Was Spike even in Angel often enough for people to say he was better in that show? I can only remember a few guest appearances just like Faith. Of course it has been like 15 years since I watched the show so it's just bits and pieces that I can remember...

Spike is in the last season pretty much full time.
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Welp that's why then. They never aired the last season so I was forever stuck thinking the finale was Angel giving up his son to a foster family and going to work for the evil company they used to fight against, the wolf, the ram and the hart.

Oh and being annoyed at them for killing off all the ladies like cordelia dying(?) after she gave birth to a black woman which wasn't even as bad as the whole Connor x Cordelia creepiness that preceded it. Then Fred, who I absolutely adored being replaced by a blue alien and effectively gone forever. So the gang that I was used to seemed completely ruined and broken up now.

I feel like way too much time has passed for me to pick up where I left over a decade ago and finally watch the true ending.

Fred dying happened in the last season, so you've definitely seen it.
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pegusus123456 posted...

Bringit posted...

There's a bit of nuance to this scene depending how deep you wanna go.

Up until this point Spike and Buffy had been having very rough sex, including violent foreplay, there had even been times when they both said "no" but carried on anyway. I'm not sure Spike realized it was different this time until it was too late and even if he did, he's soulless and not much more than a monster (literally a demon).

That's not an attempt to excuse him or blame Buffy but rather defending the scene as it's not out of character for Spike

This. IIRC, the scene is even shot in such a way that you go from Buffy's "he's trying to rape me" perspective to Spike's "if we just have sex, she'll remember she loves me" perspective. It's the culmination of their relationship; Spike feeds Buffy's depression and nigh-suicidal tendencies so she'll continue the relationship while Buffy abuses Spike's feelings for her to have extremely violent, self-destructive sex.

Incidentally, the bathroom scene would be the exact reason you have a safeword in that kind of relationship.

this.

yeah the scene can be difficult to watch(any rape scene could be that way), but it was not unfitting or out of character.

those two had been building up a very destructive selfish abusive relationship for a while now. since somewhere in season 5 if i recall correctly up to this point, season 6 ending.

season 7 is the real turd. starts off potentially good, and then free falls into pure shit. and if you've read any of the season 8 comics, it just gets worse and worse.

season 6 i didn't have much issue with. I enjoyed Buffy becoming mentally unhinged. Willow's arc of magic in the form of drug abuse analogy and eventually making up with Tara. the entire, real life has forced Willow, Tara, and Buffy to basically live together and figure out how to survive + fight demons. in essence the after effects of Buffy's mom dying are felt full force here.

season 6 is if you ask me, the consequences to 5 seasons worth of bad decisions finally coming home to roost.

even WIllow losing her shit makes sense in that regard.....besides loving Tara, Willow was the shy nerdy girl who had finally become cool and embraced her quirky personality. Tara embraced it with her and for once WIllow had made an honest to God sacrifice to make that relationship work(something she hadn't done in the past). so not only for it to work out, but then result in Tara dying, would make sense that she would lose her fucking shit and no force on earth but dealing with her emotions(Xander being the hero) could fix that. you guys forget, Willow had no friends except for Xander for a long time and was picked on in school a lot. she was the kid that got bullied. she was the dateless nerd.

i enjoyed season 6, felt like they had to be adults and deal with the consequences of 5 seasons of bad decisions.

EDIT:

i'll add, in addition to the abusive relationship of spike and buffy....it should be noted, spike is a slayer killer. so simply throwing him off of her, no matter the context, is far easier said than done. buffy had to this point, even when being serious, failed to kill spike. in essence in a real full blown fight, it's questionable whether buffy would have won, and given her state of mind at the time of the rape attempt, she very likely would have lost against spike who has killed two slayers. he even explains how he wins against slayers, and it is fitting in that regard. slayers always give up the will to fight at some point, and thats when he wins.

Huh so it was. Maybe I should watch the final episode then just to finish it. I remember thinking "Lindsey is good now??!" but turns out he's still bad. Let's see what becomes of that if I can find the series.

xyphilia posted...

Huh so it was. Maybe I should watch the final episode then just to finish it. I remember thinking "Lindsey is good now??!" but turns out he's still bad. Let's see what becomes of that if I can find the series.

I do recommend watching both shows all the way through

I admit the Lindsey arc ends in disappointment

In fact I hate the ending of angel.

xyphilia posted...

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Lol
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