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Darkrobotisback posted...

You make it sound like no ones has died from consuming edibles And there are people that have either died or ended up in the ER for eating edibles

sorry, who's died from edibles? I've heard of the ER thing happening, but usually that's because of a freakout, which scarcely (never?) has long term effects.
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BloodyNate posted...

Darkrobotisback posted...

You make it sound like no ones has died from consuming edibles And there are people that have either died or ended up in the ER for eating edibles

sorry, who's died from edibles? I've heard of the ER thing happening, but usually that's because of a freakout, which scarcely (never?) has long term effects.

I know a guy who claims to have PTSD from a bad shroom trip.

Darksaber310 posted...

DrizztLink posted...

I guess he could eat ham.

Underrated post.

Withdrawals will be mild if at all, as others have said - similar to caffeine.

Apparently they'll be nationwide killing spree at worst? I dunno what's goin' on up there.

:D
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DrizztLink posted...

I know a guy who claims to have PTSD from a bad shroom trip.

shrooms can cause permanent brain chemistry changes

but weed isn't shrooms i don't even think they interact with the same things, chemically/biologically
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I'm starting to get the feeling that people defending the adverse effects of Weed/THC are either stoners themselves or NARC's!
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Darkrobotisback posted...

I'm starting to get the feeling that people defending the adverse effects of Weed/THC are either stoners themselves or NARC's!
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you haven't posted any specific adverse effects other than "it will fuck up your body"
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Darkrobotisback posted...

I'm starting to get the feeling that people defending the adverse effects of Weed/THC are either stoners themselves or NARC's!
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How dare someone speak from experience rather than regurgitating the nonsense they were taught in D.A.R.E. 20 years ago...
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^It slows down brain function!
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Darkrobotisback posted...

And there are people that have either died

literally name one single person

YoungMakaiyum posted...

Darkrobotisback posted...

And there are people that have either died

literally name one single person

https://www.google.com/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-4971644/amp/Cannabis-linked-66-rise-traffic-deaths-Colorado.html

While there are no supposed reports of Cannibis "singlehandedly" killing people (which is bullshit in my opinion), there are records of people who died while driving and under the influence of cannibis!
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as expected, you can't.

Darkrobotisback posted...

YoungMakaiyum posted...

Darkrobotisback posted...

And there are people that have either died

literally name one single person

https://www.google.com/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-4971644/amp/Cannabis-linked-66-rise-traffic-deaths-Colorado.html

While there are no supposed reports of Cannibis "singlehandedly" killing people (which is bullshit in my opinion), there are records of people who died while driving and under the influence of cannibis!

Come on, people, you're going to keep going back and forth with this guy?
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shnangyboos posted...

Darkrobotisback posted...

YoungMakaiyum posted...

Darkrobotisback posted...

And there are people that have either died

literally name one single person

https://www.google.com/amp/www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-4971644/amp/Cannabis-linked-66-rise-traffic-deaths-Colorado.html

While there are no supposed reports of Cannibis "singlehandedly" killing people (which is bullshit in my opinion), there are records of people who died while driving and under the influence of cannibis!

Come on, people, you're going to keep going back and forth with this guy?

Can't say weed doesn't kill people though!
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@3khc

Imagine you woke up tomorrow and the voice of God himself spoke to you and said "Thou shalt never again taste of the divine blessing known as pizza!"

You're not physically addicted to pizza, of course, but come on...it's fucking pizza. You love pizza. Everybody loves pizza. So occasionally you're going to be sitting around the house, feel your stomach growl with hunger, and think to yourself "damn...I could really go for a slice right now..." Or maybe you'll be hanging with your friends and one of them will order a pizza or just talk about a really tasty double-cheese, sausage, and pepperoni pie they had the other day and you'll be like "mmmm, that sounds so good right now..."

Congratulations, you now have an understanding of "withdrawal" from weed.
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Darkrobotisback posted...

Can't say weed doesn't kill people though!

Yes you can. In the same way that you can say "smart phones don't kill people" despite the fact that tons of people die because they're texting while driving. It's not the phone that killed them. It's the fact that they were a moron who didn't pay attention to where they were driving.

You can die from alcohol poisoning. You can even die from nicotine poisoning. But it is physically impossible to die from "THC poisoning" because the amount of THC required would be more than a human is physically capable of imbibing before passing out and sleeping it off.
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Aristoph posted...

@3khc

Imagine you woke up tomorrow and the voice of God himself spoke to you and said "Thou shalt never again taste of the divine blessing known as pizza!"

You're not physically addicted to pizza, of course, but come on...it's fucking pizza. You love pizza. Everybody loves pizza. So occasionally you're going to be sitting around the house, feel your stomach growl with hunger, and think to yourself "damn...I could really go for a slice right now..." Or maybe you'll be hanging with your friends and one of them will order a pizza or just talk about a really tasty double-cheese, sausage, and pepperoni pie they had the other day and you'll be like "mmmm, that sounds so good right now..."

Congratulations, you now have an understanding of "withdrawal" from weed.

i mean i think its a tad bit more than that. like Pizza would have to be unusually pleasurable to your brain. but at worst its habit forming, and breaking a habit is more of damn i need to consciously distract myself from this otherwise it will drive me nuts for the span of like 1-2 weeks
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Aristoph posted...

Darkrobotisback posted...

Can't say weed doesn't kill people though!

Yes you can. In the same way that you can say "smart phones don't kill people" despite the fact that tons of people die because they're texting while driving. It's not the phone that killed them. It's the fact that they were a moron who didn't pay attention to where they were driving.

You can die from alcohol poisoning. You can even die from nicotine poisoning. But it is physically impossible to die from "THC poisoning" because the amount of THC required would be more than a human is physically capable of imbibing before passing out and sleeping it off.

Or so people claim.
A lot of stuff these days are hush hushed.
I wouldn't be surprised if people died from Cannibis, but either the hospital or government swept it under the rug so that way the legalization of Weed can continue and whatnot!
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oh you're trolling. i love you anyways.

They'd be sleepy for a few days.
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Darkrobotisback posted...

Or so people claim.
A lot of stuff these days are hush hushed.
I wouldn't be surprised if people died from Cannibis, but either the hospital or government swept it under the rug so that way the legalization of Weed can continue and whatnot!

I mean, we know you're trolling and everything, but the sad fact is that there are actually idiots out there who do believe that. And that hurts a little inside. ;_;

Just as an interesting anecdote to add to this conversation, I had to take a public speaking elective course in college, and one of our assignments was a 1-on-1 debate with a classmate. I got selected to the marijuana debate (which I didn't complain about) and in prepping for it I dug into a bunch of those old studies from the 70's that compared pot smoking to cigarettes in terms of health effects.

Without exception, every single study I could find from that time was specifically and blatantly designed with the active intent to make weed appear worse. One of the most ridiculous was a study on lab mice in which they injected the mice with pure THC several times a day in what they claimed was the "equivalent of a habitual marijuana user." What that really meant was that they dosed the mice 5 times a day, claiming habitual users would smoke 5 times a day. Of course the mice all died horrifically and with rather unpleasant symptoms. However, they neglected to mention that while the NUMBER of doses was the same as a habitual pot smoker, the LEVELS of each dose were just stupendously crazy. In pure THC, the mice were given the equivalent of a human being smoking over 200 pounds of marijuana in one sitting, and they were given that 5 times a day.

Just sit back for a second and try to imagine smoking half of a literal ton of pot in a single day. The fact that many of the mice even lived for SEVERAL DAYS OF THIS DOSING speaks volumes, tbh.
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LockeMonster posted...

You get psychological withdrawals and get the urge to smoke for 2-3 days and then you get over it.

Nothing happens to your body.

This. There are no physical withdrawals like you want to puke your guts out like say from cocaine... But there are mental. Most potheads, I know are extremely irritable and have tons of mental problems.
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People really like to overshoot how innocuous weed is.

I'm not agreeing with the guys here saying it's going to kill you or physically harm you but I also really don't think that someone psychologically addicted to a reasonably powerful psychotropic drug to such a degree that they habitually consume it every day would suffer no kind of withdrawal symptoms, whether emotional or hormonal or whatever.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5414724/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2777674/
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yeah weed is dangerous it turns you into a lazy unmotivated goof
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Jesus himself would come down and congratulate you.
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Iwin2013 posted...

LockeMonster posted...

You get psychological withdrawals and get the urge to smoke for 2-3 days and then you get over it.

Nothing happens to your body.

This. There are no physical withdrawals like you want to puke your guts out like say from cocaine... But there are mental. Most potheads, I know are extremely irritable and have tons of mental problems.

Believe it or not, cocaine isn't physically addictive, just psychologically.
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pinky0926 posted...

People really like to overshoot how innocuous weed is.

I'm not agreeing with the guys here saying it's going to kill you or physically harm you but I also really don't think that someone psychologically addicted to a reasonably powerful psychotropic drug to such a degree that they habitually consume it every day would suffer no kind of withdrawal symptoms, whether emotional or hormonal or whatever.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5414724/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2777674/

I've done it before multiple times, i just don't have an appetite for a few days then am fine. Regular weed use regulates your appetite after all.
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I am gainfully employed with a good job, very active, very social, and I use it twice a day on average.
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pres_madagascar posted...

Iwin2013 posted...

LockeMonster posted...

You get psychological withdrawals and get the urge to smoke for 2-3 days and then you get over it.

Nothing happens to your body.

This. There are no physical withdrawals like you want to puke your guts out like say from cocaine... But there are mental. Most potheads, I know are extremely irritable and have tons of mental problems.

Believe it or not, cocaine isn't physically addictive, just psychologically.

I always assumed it was physically addictive?
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Iwin2013 posted...

pres_madagascar posted...

Iwin2013 posted...

LockeMonster posted...

You get psychological withdrawals and get the urge to smoke for 2-3 days and then you get over it.

Nothing happens to your body.

This. There are no physical withdrawals like you want to puke your guts out like say from cocaine... But there are mental. Most potheads, I know are extremely irritable and have tons of mental problems.

Believe it or not, cocaine isn't physically addictive, just psychologically.

I always assumed it was physically addictive?

It is, just not to the extent that many assume.

https://americanaddictioncenters.org/cocaine-treatment/is-it-physically-addictive/
Not only does cocaine change how neurotransmitters are released, but a study found that cocaine addiction actually changes a persons genetics, and this could lead to physical addiction. The drug activates genes that code for the protein delta-FosB; this protein, in turn, activates production of GluR2, a component of glutamate receptors, and these bind to the neurotransmitter glutamate. An increase in the ability to bind to glutamate intensifies a persons sensitivity to cocaines rewarding effects, which is a physical change leading to reinforcement for taking the drug.
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pres_madagascar posted...

I've done it before multiple times, i just don't have an appetite for a few days then am fine. Regular weed use regulates your appetite after all.

Which is fair enough, but if we're going by anecdotes I can think of one heavy pot smoking friend who went through a totally manic episode after being without for 2 days. She was very upset/anxious/irritable.
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pinky0926 posted...

She

I think we found the culprit
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The problem with anecdotal evidence is that many who use weed already have underlying mental issues that the weed helps to regulate (depression, anxiety, etc). So it's not really fair to say that quitting "causes" someone to become anxious or depressed as if it's part of the withdrawal from weed instead of it simply being the case that the person is naturally anxious or depressed and is simply returning to their "normal" state.

It goes both ways, btw. I don't put much stock in anecdotes of people who have quit without any issues at all, despite that being my own experience.
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Aristoph posted...

The problem with anecdotal evidence is that many who use weed already have underlying mental issues that the weed helps to regulate (depression, anxiety, etc). So it's not really fair to say that quitting "causes" someone to become anxious or depressed as if it's part of the withdrawal from weed instead of it simply being the case that the person is naturally anxious or depressed and is simply returning to their "normal" state.

It goes both ways, btw. I don't put much stock in anecdotes of people who have quit without any issues at all, despite that being my own experience.

On that token I'd say weed does a good job of bringing my depression/anxiety to the fore, so I prefer to do it way more casually than habitually.

In general my point is less a criticism of weed specifically, and more a criticism of the idea that nothing is going to happen if you give up a habitual coping mechanism cold turkey.
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pinky0926 posted...

pres_madagascar posted...

I've done it before multiple times, i just don't have an appetite for a few days then am fine. Regular weed use regulates your appetite after all.

Which is fair enough, but if we're going by anecdotes I can think of one heavy pot smoking friend who went through a totally manic episode after being without for 2 days. She was very upset/anxious/irritable.

To be fair, I didn't first smoke weed until I was already an adult.
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Aristoph posted...

Iwin2013 posted...

pres_madagascar posted...

Iwin2013 posted...

LockeMonster posted...

You get psychological withdrawals and get the urge to smoke for 2-3 days and then you get over it.

Nothing happens to your body.

This. There are no physical withdrawals like you want to puke your guts out like say from cocaine... But there are mental. Most potheads, I know are extremely irritable and have tons of mental problems.

Believe it or not, cocaine isn't physically addictive, just psychologically.

I always assumed it was physically addictive?

It is, just not to the extent that many assume.

https://americanaddictioncenters.org/cocaine-treatment/is-it-physically-addictive/
Not only does cocaine change how neurotransmitters are released, but a study found that cocaine addiction actually changes a persons genetics, and this could lead to physical addiction. The drug activates genes that code for the protein delta-FosB; this protein, in turn, activates production of GluR2, a component of glutamate receptors, and these bind to the neurotransmitter glutamate. An increase in the ability to bind to glutamate intensifies a persons sensitivity to cocaines rewarding effects, which is a physical change leading to reinforcement for taking the drug.

Thing is though too is coke is expensive, it's difficult to get addicted to because once sober after the night of lines, most people don't want to spend the money to continue, it's why it's often referred to as a rich mans addiction.

When you're on it though, you just keep wanting to do more and more. No one looks at their bag and says "I'm gonna save the rest of this for another time".
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pres_madagascar posted...

Thing is though too is coke is expensive, it's difficult to get addicted to because once sober after the night of lines, most people don't want to spend the money to continue, it's why it's often referred to as a rich mans addiction.

Okay, but that's got nothing to do with the fact that it is actually physically addictive. And in fact your description would make it less psychologically addictive.

Which kind of turns your entire premise on its head, considering you said it was not physically addictive but very psychologically addictive...so...? >_>
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M_Live posted...

BloodyNate posted...

I imagine caffeine withdrawals are worse, tbqh. Some people get some shitty headaches when they don't get their fix.

I actually get migraines if I don't have coffee :( I've wanted to cut back on my caffiene consumption but I don't for exactly that reason.

Migraines are a typical symptom of caffeine withdrawal and they usually dissipate after 3 or 4 days. A week at the most.
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Every time someone quits the reefer, jeff sessions gets woody. It's the only way he can get it up these days, thus his policy
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Aristoph posted...

pres_madagascar posted...

Thing is though too is coke is expensive, it's difficult to get addicted to because once sober after the night of lines, most people don't want to spend the money to continue, it's why it's often referred to as a rich mans addiction.

Okay, but that's got nothing to do with the fact that it is actually physically addictive. And in fact your description would make it less psychologically addictive.

Which kind of turns your entire premise on its head, considering you said it was not physically addictive but very psychologically addictive...so...? >_>

Coke is addictive in that its a rush. When you're on it, you want more. So if you have the means to get more, you can. Most people can't afford to spend $150-$300 for a night out every time.
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Unsure if I believe that quitting doesn't do anything biologically. Smokers themselves often say that they don't get as high because they smoke so much. And of they dont, then theyll often say " I'm gonna get so high because I haven't done this in awhile."

So there is at least a tolerance build up.
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I lose my appetite for a while, don't sleep as well and start remembering dreams more, sometimes get irritable/more anxious.

There are definitely effects, felt them dozens of times but it's after periods of heavy daily smoking.
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3khc posted...

Unsure if I believe that quitting doesn't do anything biologically. Smokers themselves often say that they don't get as high because they smoke so much. And of they dont, then theyll often say " I'm gonna get so high because I haven't done this in awhile."

So there is at least a tolerance build up.

Yes and a week off fixes that.
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From someone I know quite well, they wouldn't mind it one bit. There'd be some "damn it'd be cool if I was high now" moments, but nothing crazy. Maybe a few nights at first taking a little longer to fall asleep, that'd probably be the worst thing.
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I've been smoking for over 20 years, and the times when I did have to stop for a job or something like having to quit for a week because I'm out of town with non-smokers, I never had any issues

Quieting eating ice cream is harder
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Smoker for 22 years, the last 2 of those legally with a medical card. I had to quit a few months ago due to financial reasons, and waiting for my first home-grown crop to be ready.

I was a rage monster for 5 days. This could be attributed to feeling the full effect of my arthritis pain for the first time in almost a year. My arthritis is severe and affects my knees, hips, shoulders, elbows, wrists, and hands. With marijuana, the pain is severe, but it is manageable. Without, it's fucking torture.

Previous to the arthritis, the only effect of quitting was the constant thought of wanting it, which passed in a few days.
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I quit a few months ago when I had a bad case of bronchitis. It was a little difficult to get to sleep and I was very easily angered but I attribute that to also quitting cigarettes at the same time. Shit was awful, everything pissed me off. DREAMS though, super vivid and I remembered EVERYTHING that happened and I could tell you everything that happened in them. I've gone back to occasionally smoking but I have to say just the dreaming part of it almost makes it worth starting up heavily again and then quitting. Shit was intense.
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I quit cold turkey for 9 months and I was fine other than my insomnia getting really bad, but thats a big part of the reason I smoke in the first place
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I stopped smoking this week jus for shits n giggles and Im less hungry, but thats it
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also, quitting smoking just cuz your busy is the easiest goddamn thing in the world. smoking is a thing to do when you dont have anything else to do or when you wanna make an occasion more fun. if youre busy with a job, event, or something else, you tend to not miss it
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