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Russman
06/21/18 4:07:41 PM
#101:


COVxy posted...
Russman posted...
As a biomedical engineer, I can say with certainty that mtfs are not real women (on the basis of actual science). This shouldnt come as a surprise to anyone, but those who claim they are, are lying to push an identity politics narrative.


As a biomedical engineer you are not nearly qualified to make such definitive claims. Especially under such ambiguous category labels.

Im not making the claim. Im telling the misinformed what the actual scientific facts are.
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COVxy
06/21/18 4:08:00 PM
#102:


nemu posted...
Transwomen are biological males living as women, either with or without cosmetic surgery. I will gladly say they they are female and call them women, as that is polite, but that does not change the fact that they are not "real women." There is nothing offensive at all about that.


I think it's good that you are up front about your feelings.
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Russman
06/21/18 4:08:36 PM
#103:


gunplagirl posted...
Conception616 posted...
Russman posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Russman posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Russman posted...
As a biomedical engineer, I can say with certainty that mtfs are not real women (on the basis of actual science). This shouldnt come as a surprise to anyone, but those who claim they are, are lying to push an identity politics narrative.

Prove it. Post your diploma and a copy of your pay stub.

Nah Im not gonna. Just like you dont cite any of the made up facts you state.


I'm actually queen of three galaxies, and *makes stupid claim* and that's why I'm right.
I'm being sarcastic and mocking you because you aren't a bioengineer.

No I 100% am. However, nothing youve said in this topic has been even remotely true.


FedEx has a bioengineer field now?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/76735858


Fucking scorched

I was lying in that topic and not this one.
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COVxy
06/21/18 4:08:43 PM
#104:


Russman posted...
Im not making the claim. Im telling the misinformed what the actual scientific facts are.


If you say so, mr. 'scientific facts' lol.
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Slayerblade11
06/21/18 4:08:45 PM
#105:


Would be too awkward and weird for most straight people
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Kanaya413
06/21/18 4:09:21 PM
#106:


Cis or trans man is fine with me
I even hear we might could have a baby together with some weird science stuff
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K181
06/21/18 4:11:22 PM
#107:


gunplagirl posted...
K181 posted...
COVxy posted...
K181 posted...
COVxy posted...
The inference to be made here if you say "I 100% would never date a transperson because I'm heterosexual" is that you still don't view them as their transitioned gender. Pretty clear how that's transphobic.


Again... we're at the point where people are rightfully arguing for respect for sexual preferences and gender identies, and yet the notion that there could be a sexual preference for cisgendered men or women is a no go?


I mean, that doesn't make much sense. It's like saying I'm sapiosexual or whatever those made up orientations are. If you're in the realm of making up biologically implausible sexual orientations to justify your own lack of acceptance, you've made a wrong turn. At least simply admit that you don't see them as truly their identified gender and the thought of them as their pretransition state freaks you out.


Yeah, you're just looking for things to be upset at this point if your rational is that it's "biologically implausible" to have a sexual orientation more exclusionary than your own or inventing states of mind for people that have them. You're attracted to trans and cis people? Good for you. You think that there's zero possible reason that someone could be only attracted to cis people? Quit being so close minded.

I can safely say that there isn't a cisgendered guy that attacts me. Does that make me a homophobe? If yes, that's a dumb take. If no, how's that different if you changed "cis" with "trans?"


If you're straight then you aren't into men. If you are straight you're into women. Trans women are women. If you exclude all trans women from your dating pool it's because you don't consider them women. That's the difference.


Yet again, we are in an era where we are rapidly recognizing gender and sexual diversity that just a decade ago would've been essentially ignored, yet the idea of cis-sexuality of either the homosexual or heterosexual variant immediately kills the conversation?
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Conception616
06/21/18 4:11:25 PM
#108:


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/76732554

@Russman

Did you make it to head fry cook yet?
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MrPeppers
06/21/18 4:11:26 PM
#109:


gunplagirl posted...
Kaiganeer posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Which trans women are

trans women and women born biologically female are two different things, the latter being a "real" woman and the former being someone who transitioned into it

you understand this, don't be daft


"Biologically female" is a fucking misnomer.

1) read a biology textbook that's beyond middle school level
2) make sure it's from the last 20 years

And incidentally, "real" and "biological" don't have to 100% match because you're still ignoring intersex people in the process.




Please explain. Please dont try to pass this off as the <0.01% of the population that has genetic mismatching. Anomalies are not proof that biological gender is a misnomer.
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LockeMonster
06/21/18 4:12:03 PM
#110:


gunplagirl posted...
Sources? And have you read any of the articles on how trans numbers are underreported?


I got it wrong that it was for the world for gender since the world population one has actually not been documented at all. But the US is relatively very progressive in terms of this, so statistics wise this is the best we have.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/06/30/484253324/1-4-million-adults-identify-as-transgender-in-america-study-says

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/what-percentage-of-the-world-population-have-red-hair.html

It doesn't matter what I have read or not. You don't get to make up statistics because it's underreported. As it stands, it's about a 2-3x difference. I have no doubt there's probably more, but touting it as a valid statistics is disingenuous.
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vocedelmorte
06/21/18 4:12:11 PM
#111:


DifferentialEquation posted...
People are allowed to have preferences. There's no problem with this.
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gunplagirl
06/21/18 4:12:18 PM
#112:


nemu posted...
gunplagirl posted...
K181 posted...
COVxy posted...
K181 posted...
COVxy posted...
The inference to be made here if you say "I 100% would never date a transperson because I'm heterosexual" is that you still don't view them as their transitioned gender. Pretty clear how that's transphobic.


Again... we're at the point where people are rightfully arguing for respect for sexual preferences and gender identies, and yet the notion that there could be a sexual preference for cisgendered men or women is a no go?


I mean, that doesn't make much sense. It's like saying I'm sapiosexual or whatever those made up orientations are. If you're in the realm of making up biologically implausible sexual orientations to justify your own lack of acceptance, you've made a wrong turn. At least simply admit that you don't see them as truly their identified gender and the thought of them as their pretransition state freaks you out.


Yeah, you're just looking for things to be upset at this point if your rational is that it's "biologically implausible" to have a sexual orientation more exclusionary than your own or inventing states of mind for people that have them. You're attracted to trans and cis people? Good for you. You think that there's zero possible reason that someone could be only attracted to cis people? Quit being so close minded.

I can safely say that there isn't a cisgendered guy that attacts me. Does that make me a homophobe? If yes, that's a dumb take. If no, how's that different if you changed "cis" with "trans?"


If you're straight then you aren't into men. If you are straight you're into women. Trans women are women. If you exclude all trans women from your dating pool it's because you don't consider them women. That's the difference.

It's like you're trying to change reality. Transwomen are biological males living as women, either with or without cosmetic surgery. I will gladly say they they are female and call them women, as that is polite, but that does not change the fact that they are not "real women." There is nothing offensive at all about that.


1) "biological males" is still based entirely upon using general rules regarding chromosomes and applying it as a universal truth
2) it ignores intersex people
3) gender confirmation surgery is reconstructive, not cosmetic and especially if you know anything about functionality post surgery
4) "real women" is another term that's been coined solely to diminish the validity of trans identities
5) it's a "no true Scotsman" fallacy
All "real women" have xx chromosomes and have menses and can have kids
While ignoring prepubescent people, post menopausal people, etc.
6) and you can't even prove most trans people's chromosomes unless you phenotype them. Making the assumption might be right most of the time but I could tell you that there's nobody breaking into cars in a downtown parking lot and more often than not it's true, doesn't mean there's actually scientific backing to that assumption
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Conception616
06/21/18 4:12:52 PM
#113:


Conception616 posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/76732554

@Russman

Did you make it to head fry cook yet?


Upon further reading, you claim to be too young to be a bartender. So, you are an under 20 bioengineer?
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Balla4life0526
06/21/18 4:13:44 PM
#114:


gunplagirl posted...
K181 posted...
COVxy posted...
K181 posted...
COVxy posted...
The inference to be made here if you say "I 100% would never date a transperson because I'm heterosexual" is that you still don't view them as their transitioned gender. Pretty clear how that's transphobic.


Again... we're at the point where people are rightfully arguing for respect for sexual preferences and gender identies, and yet the notion that there could be a sexual preference for cisgendered men or women is a no go?


I mean, that doesn't make much sense. It's like saying I'm sapiosexual or whatever those made up orientations are. If you're in the realm of making up biologically implausible sexual orientations to justify your own lack of acceptance, you've made a wrong turn. At least simply admit that you don't see them as truly their identified gender and the thought of them as their pretransition state freaks you out.


Yeah, you're just looking for things to be upset at this point if your rational is that it's "biologically implausible" to have a sexual orientation more exclusionary than your own or inventing states of mind for people that have them. You're attracted to trans and cis people? Good for you. You think that there's zero possible reason that someone could be only attracted to cis people? Quit being so close minded.

I can safely say that there isn't a cisgendered guy that attacts me. Does that make me a homophobe? If yes, that's a dumb take. If no, how's that different if you changed "cis" with "trans?"


If you're straight then you aren't into men. If you are straight you're into women. Trans women are women. If you exclude all trans women from your dating pool it's because you don't consider them women. That's the difference.


when John jones the Martian man hunter uses his powers to shapeshift into a human, he isnt actually human. hes still biologically an alien from mars
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COVxy
06/21/18 4:14:16 PM
#115:


K181 posted...
gunplagirl posted...
K181 posted...
COVxy posted...
K181 posted...
COVxy posted...
The inference to be made here if you say "I 100% would never date a transperson because I'm heterosexual" is that you still don't view them as their transitioned gender. Pretty clear how that's transphobic.


Again... we're at the point where people are rightfully arguing for respect for sexual preferences and gender identies, and yet the notion that there could be a sexual preference for cisgendered men or women is a no go?


I mean, that doesn't make much sense. It's like saying I'm sapiosexual or whatever those made up orientations are. If you're in the realm of making up biologically implausible sexual orientations to justify your own lack of acceptance, you've made a wrong turn. At least simply admit that you don't see them as truly their identified gender and the thought of them as their pretransition state freaks you out.


Yeah, you're just looking for things to be upset at this point if your rational is that it's "biologically implausible" to have a sexual orientation more exclusionary than your own or inventing states of mind for people that have them. You're attracted to trans and cis people? Good for you. You think that there's zero possible reason that someone could be only attracted to cis people? Quit being so close minded.

I can safely say that there isn't a cisgendered guy that attacts me. Does that make me a homophobe? If yes, that's a dumb take. If no, how's that different if you changed "cis" with "trans?"


If you're straight then you aren't into men. If you are straight you're into women. Trans women are women. If you exclude all trans women from your dating pool it's because you don't consider them women. That's the difference.


Yet again, we are in an era where we are rapidly recognizing gender and sexual diversity that just a decade ago would've been essentially ignored, yet the idea of cis-sexuality of either the homosexual or heterosexual variant immediately kills the conversation?


So you think that the brain organizes prenatally to either prefer cis or trans people?

Let's say for rodents or any other nonhuman animal, how would that work exactly? Lol.
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Hicks233
06/21/18 4:14:17 PM
#116:


voldothegr8 posted...
In other news, the sun is hot

And water is wet.
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DirkDiggles
06/21/18 4:14:33 PM
#117:


Conception616 posted...
Russman posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Russman posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Russman posted...
As a biomedical engineer, I can say with certainty that mtfs are not real women (on the basis of actual science). This shouldnt come as a surprise to anyone, but those who claim they are, are lying to push an identity politics narrative.

Prove it. Post your diploma and a copy of your pay stub.

Nah Im not gonna. Just like you dont cite any of the made up facts you state.


I'm actually queen of three galaxies, and *makes stupid claim* and that's why I'm right.
I'm being sarcastic and mocking you because you aren't a bioengineer.

No I 100% am. However, nothing youve said in this topic has been even remotely true.


FedEx has a bioengineer field now?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/76735858


lol
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HiddenLurker
06/21/18 4:15:20 PM
#118:


Not surprising really. Dating with intent to get married is different then lust.
Not to knock on families that adopt but most married people that want children prefer their own biological children which a trans person cannot offer.
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gunplagirl
06/21/18 4:15:52 PM
#119:


LockeMonster posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Sources? And have you read any of the articles on how trans numbers are underreported?


I got it wrong that it was for the world for gender since the world population one has actually not been documented at all. But the US is relatively very progressive in terms of this, so statistics wise this is the best we have.

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/06/30/484253324/1-4-million-adults-identify-as-transgender-in-america-study-says

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/what-percentage-of-the-world-population-have-red-hair.html

It doesn't matter what I have read or not. You don't get to make up statistics because it's underreported. As it stands, it's about a 2-3x difference. I have no doubt there's probably more, but touting it as a valid statistics is disingenuous.


Okay. Now read what you wrote, and then realize you're not actually disproving anything I said but instead are arguing "oh, 2 million and 4 million people are totally different" when the entire point of this little roundabout was to not ignore groups in the population when trying to make some universal 100% catch all claim. Which you did and still are.
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Russman
06/21/18 4:16:15 PM
#120:


COVxy posted...
Russman posted...
Im not making the claim. Im telling the misinformed what the actual scientific facts are.


If you say so, mr. 'scientific facts' lol.

Here you go mr. phd in a scientific field
SyvhfuD
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Esrac
06/21/18 4:16:43 PM
#121:


gunplagirl posted...
LockeMonster posted...
gunplagirl posted...
The population of trans people globally is at the same level as the number of natural redheads in the world.

Do you have a source for this?

1%+ of the global population has gender dysphoria
1-2% of the global population has naturally red hair

You'd have to find a source for each but they're pretty documented by this point.


The only numbers I could find with a Google search on those suggested only about 0.5% of the population are trans and 1 - 2% of people have natural red hair (2-6% among western European descendants).
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gunplagirl
06/21/18 4:17:01 PM
#122:


Balla4life0526 posted...
gunplagirl posted...
K181 posted...
COVxy posted...
K181 posted...
COVxy posted...
The inference to be made here if you say "I 100% would never date a transperson because I'm heterosexual" is that you still don't view them as their transitioned gender. Pretty clear how that's transphobic.


Again... we're at the point where people are rightfully arguing for respect for sexual preferences and gender identies, and yet the notion that there could be a sexual preference for cisgendered men or women is a no go?


I mean, that doesn't make much sense. It's like saying I'm sapiosexual or whatever those made up orientations are. If you're in the realm of making up biologically implausible sexual orientations to justify your own lack of acceptance, you've made a wrong turn. At least simply admit that you don't see them as truly their identified gender and the thought of them as their pretransition state freaks you out.


Yeah, you're just looking for things to be upset at this point if your rational is that it's "biologically implausible" to have a sexual orientation more exclusionary than your own or inventing states of mind for people that have them. You're attracted to trans and cis people? Good for you. You think that there's zero possible reason that someone could be only attracted to cis people? Quit being so close minded.

I can safely say that there isn't a cisgendered guy that attacts me. Does that make me a homophobe? If yes, that's a dumb take. If no, how's that different if you changed "cis" with "trans?"


If you're straight then you aren't into men. If you are straight you're into women. Trans women are women. If you exclude all trans women from your dating pool it's because you don't consider them women. That's the difference.


when John jones the Martian man hunter uses his powers to shapeshift into a human, he isnt actually human. hes still biologically an alien from mars


Trans people are aliens?

That explains my growing urge to blow up the white house and then get killed by Will Smith.

I think that's the same movie, right?
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P4wn4g3
06/21/18 4:17:08 PM
#123:


Conception616 posted...
Russman posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Russman posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Russman posted...
As a biomedical engineer, I can say with certainty that mtfs are not real women (on the basis of actual science). This shouldnt come as a surprise to anyone, but those who claim they are, are lying to push an identity politics narrative.

Prove it. Post your diploma and a copy of your pay stub.

Nah Im not gonna. Just like you dont cite any of the made up facts you state.


I'm actually queen of three galaxies, and *makes stupid claim* and that's why I'm right.
I'm being sarcastic and mocking you because you aren't a bioengineer.

No I 100% am. However, nothing youve said in this topic has been even remotely true.


FedEx has a bioengineer field now?

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/76735858

Lololol
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Vyrulisse
06/21/18 4:17:18 PM
#124:


If you got nice legs and thick thighs I'm all in no matter what you are
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thelovefist
06/21/18 4:17:24 PM
#125:


Most people aren't homosexual so this isn't a surprise
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COVxy
06/21/18 4:17:56 PM
#126:


Russman posted...
COVxy posted...
Russman posted...
Im not making the claim. Im telling the misinformed what the actual scientific facts are.


If you say so, mr. 'scientific facts' lol.

Here you go mr. phd in a scientific field
SyvhfuD


What an amazing scientific reference, a textbook, and a grade school textbook at that!

lol.

Not that what is in that that page has much to do with what we're discussing anyway lol.
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Russman
06/21/18 4:20:07 PM
#127:


COVxy posted...
Russman posted...
COVxy posted...
Russman posted...
Im not making the claim. Im telling the misinformed what the actual scientific facts are.


If you say so, mr. 'scientific facts' lol.

Here you go mr. phd in a scientific field
SyvhfuD


What an amazing scientific reference, a textbook, and a grade school textbook at that!

lol.

Not that what is in that that page has much to do with what we're discussing anyway lol.

Ok? Would you link something that proves this fact wrong? Its in a textbook because its a universally accepted scientific fact.
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LockeMonster
06/21/18 4:20:45 PM
#128:


gunplagirl posted...
Okay. Now read what you wrote, and then realize you're not actually disproving anything I said but instead are arguing "oh, 2 million and 4 million people are totally different" when the entire point of this little roundabout was to not ignore groups in the population when trying to make some universal 100% catch all claim. Which you did and still are.

I got your point, I was also trying to correct you since you're wrong. Even 1% vs 2% of the population is 70 million fucking people.

You were touting wrong numbers and I corrected you after I asked for you to show me sources to these "well documented" numbers.
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Russman
06/21/18 4:21:29 PM
#129:


Conception616 posted...
Conception616 posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/76732554

@Russman

Did you make it to head fry cook yet?


Upon further reading, you claim to be too young to be a bartender. So, you are an under 20 bioengineer?

I already said I was lying in that topic. This one I am telling the truth in. I am a 25 yo biomedical engineer.
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Conception616
06/21/18 4:23:20 PM
#130:


Russman posted...
Conception616 posted...
Conception616 posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/76732554

@Russman

Did you make it to head fry cook yet?


Upon further reading, you claim to be too young to be a bartender. So, you are an under 20 bioengineer?

I already said I was lying in that topic. This one I am telling the truth in. I am a 25 yo biomedical engineer.


I quoted a different topic. So you are a pathological liar then?

Somehow, I would think bioengineers would be far too busy to shitpost on GF.
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COVxy
06/21/18 4:23:50 PM
#131:


Russman posted...
Ok? Would you link something that proves this fact wrong? Its in a textbook because its a universally accepted scientific fact.


What, that sex chromosomes exist? How exactly does that have anything to do with what is being discussed here? Turns out that human development is a lot more complicated than elementary school genetics.

Scientific fact is kinda a silly phrase. The only "facts" are data, not the conclusions generated by them, and even then data has uncertainty around it.
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gunplagirl
06/21/18 4:24:25 PM
#132:


LockeMonster posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Okay. Now read what you wrote, and then realize you're not actually disproving anything I said but instead are arguing "oh, 2 million and 4 million people are totally different" when the entire point of this little roundabout was to not ignore groups in the population when trying to make some universal 100% catch all claim. Which you did and still are.

I got your point, I was also trying to correct you since you're wrong. Even 1% vs 2% of the population is 70 million fucking people.

You were touting wrong numbers and I corrected you after I asked for you to show me sources to these "well documented" numbers.


I don't have enough O characters in this post so I'll have to use scientific notation

Wh o^4224563336789985446722 sh
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Russman
06/21/18 4:25:01 PM
#133:


Conception616 posted...
Russman posted...
Conception616 posted...
Conception616 posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/76732554

@Russman

Did you make it to head fry cook yet?


Upon further reading, you claim to be too young to be a bartender. So, you are an under 20 bioengineer?

I already said I was lying in that topic. This one I am telling the truth in. I am a 25 yo biomedical engineer.


I quoted a different topic. So you are a pathological liar then?

Somehow, I would think bioengineers would be far too busy to shitpost on GF.

I am not a pathological liar. I simply say what I think is best.
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gunplagirl
06/21/18 4:25:20 PM
#134:


COVxy posted...
Russman posted...
Ok? Would you link something that proves this fact wrong? Its in a textbook because its a universally accepted scientific fact.


What, that sex chromosomes exist? How exactly does that have anything to do with what is being discussed here? Turns out that human development is a lot more complicated than elementary school genetics.

Scientific fact is kinda a silly phrase. The only "facts" are data, not the conclusions generated by them, and even then data has uncertainty around it.


*insert list of known chimeras here, insert list of fish that change sex and can procreate as either here, etc.*
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Sayoria
06/21/18 4:25:40 PM
#135:


RE_expert44 posted...
Sayoria posted...
That's fine. Weeds out the assholes. I want a real man, not some asshole like that.

All I want is a real woman.


I am probably the closest thing to a biological female that you'll ever get in your lifetime. *Shrug*

catboy0_0 posted...
dang, sayoria lit a fire here


It's my specialty.
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gunplagirl
06/21/18 4:25:57 PM
#136:


Russman posted...
Conception616 posted...
Russman posted...
Conception616 posted...
Conception616 posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/76732554

@Russman

Did you make it to head fry cook yet?


Upon further reading, you claim to be too young to be a bartender. So, you are an under 20 bioengineer?

I already said I was lying in that topic. This one I am telling the truth in. I am a 25 yo biomedical engineer.


I quoted a different topic. So you are a pathological liar then?

Somehow, I would think bioengineers would be far too busy to shitpost on GF.

I am not a pathological liar. I simply say what I think is best.


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nemu
06/21/18 4:26:24 PM
#137:


gunplagirl posted...

1) "biological males" is still based entirely upon using general rules regarding chromosomes and applying it as a universal truth
2) it ignores intersex people
3) gender confirmation surgery is reconstructive, not cosmetic and especially if you know anything about functionality post surgery
4) "real women" is another term that's been coined solely to diminish the validity of trans identities
5) it's a "no true Scotsman" fallacy
All "real women" have xx chromosomes and have menses and can have kids
While ignoring prepubescent people, post menopausal people, etc.
6) and you can't even prove most trans people's chromosomes unless you phenotype them. Making the assumption might be right most of the time but I could tell you that there's nobody breaking into cars in a downtown parking lot and more often than not it's true, doesn't mean there's actually scientific backing to that assumption

It's a universal truth that men are men and women are women. I don't know why you think that can be argued against. The idea that gender expression can be a bit more fluid is one thing, but you're trying to change biological reality. There's being progressive and then being disingenuous.

Like, the idea of bringing intersex people into it is just dumb. That is an unfortunate deformity. It's not a new sex. It does not redefine sex. When people bring it up, they act like intersex people are fully function hermaphrodites or something. It's a series of conditions, some worse than others.
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Russman
06/21/18 4:26:34 PM
#138:


COVxy posted...
Russman posted...
Ok? Would you link something that proves this fact wrong? Its in a textbook because its a universally accepted scientific fact.


What, that sex chromosomes exist? How exactly does that have anything to do with what is being discussed here? Turns out that human development is a lot more complicated than elementary school genetics.

Scientific fact is kinda a silly phrase. The only "facts" are data, not the conclusions generated by them, and even then data has uncertainty around it.

It says right there that sex is determined by sex chromosomes. Literally the first sentence. How are you a PhD student?
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Carlbertomfg
06/21/18 4:26:34 PM
#139:


I would date one either.

I'd marry that fine broad.
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P4wn4g3
06/21/18 4:26:49 PM
#140:


Dayum @RE_expert44 banged @Sayoria?

Edit:
Sayoria posted...
I am probably the closest thing to a biological female that you'll ever get in your lifetime. *Shrug*

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Russman
06/21/18 4:27:33 PM
#141:


gunplagirl posted...
COVxy posted...
Russman posted...
Ok? Would you link something that proves this fact wrong? Its in a textbook because its a universally accepted scientific fact.


What, that sex chromosomes exist? How exactly does that have anything to do with what is being discussed here? Turns out that human development is a lot more complicated than elementary school genetics.

Scientific fact is kinda a silly phrase. The only "facts" are data, not the conclusions generated by them, and even then data has uncertainty around it.


*insert list of known chimeras here, insert list of fish that change sex and can procreate as either here, etc.*

*insert list of hum- oh wait this isnt possible
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gunplagirl
06/21/18 4:27:43 PM
#142:


Sayoria posted...
RE_expert44 posted...
Sayoria posted...
That's fine. Weeds out the assholes. I want a real man, not some asshole like that.

All I want is a real woman.


I am probably the closest thing to a biological female that you'll ever get in your lifetime. *Shrug*

catboy0_0 posted...
dang, sayoria lit a fire here


It's my specialty.


You don't put the bi in biological but you put the cal f in biological female because word play and you're thicc
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Sayoria
06/21/18 4:28:03 PM
#143:


P4wn4g3 posted...
Dayum @RE_expert44 banged @Sayoria?


My index finger does a better job.
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gunplagirl
06/21/18 4:28:33 PM
#144:


Russman posted...
gunplagirl posted...
COVxy posted...
Russman posted...
Ok? Would you link something that proves this fact wrong? Its in a textbook because its a universally accepted scientific fact.


What, that sex chromosomes exist? How exactly does that have anything to do with what is being discussed here? Turns out that human development is a lot more complicated than elementary school genetics.

Scientific fact is kinda a silly phrase. The only "facts" are data, not the conclusions generated by them, and even then data has uncertainty around it.


*insert list of known chimeras here, insert list of fish that change sex and can procreate as either here, etc.*

*insert list of hum- oh wait this isnt possible


Human chimeras have been recorded. *laughs* some bioengineer you are.
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LockeMonster
06/21/18 4:28:57 PM
#145:


gunplagirl posted...
LockeMonster posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Okay. Now read what you wrote, and then realize you're not actually disproving anything I said but instead are arguing "oh, 2 million and 4 million people are totally different" when the entire point of this little roundabout was to not ignore groups in the population when trying to make some universal 100% catch all claim. Which you did and still are.

I got your point, I was also trying to correct you since you're wrong. Even 1% vs 2% of the population is 70 million fucking people.

You were touting wrong numbers and I corrected you after I asked for you to show me sources to these "well documented" numbers.


I don't have enough O characters in this post so I'll have to use scientific notation

Wh o^4224563336789985446722 sh

Look, if you want to make a point, be an adult and be clear about it.

Nothing I've said is wrong. There's also nothing wrong in correcting someone if they have incorrect numbers. I understand what your overall point is but you kept saying they're equal when they're not.
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ApathyBear
06/21/18 4:31:24 PM
#146:


Well duh
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gunplagirl
06/21/18 4:32:30 PM
#147:


nemu posted...
gunplagirl posted...

1) "biological males" is still based entirely upon using general rules regarding chromosomes and applying it as a universal truth
2) it ignores intersex people
3) gender confirmation surgery is reconstructive, not cosmetic and especially if you know anything about functionality post surgery
4) "real women" is another term that's been coined solely to diminish the validity of trans identities
5) it's a "no true Scotsman" fallacy
All "real women" have xx chromosomes and have menses and can have kids
While ignoring prepubescent people, post menopausal people, etc.
6) and you can't even prove most trans people's chromosomes unless you phenotype them. Making the assumption might be right most of the time but I could tell you that there's nobody breaking into cars in a downtown parking lot and more often than not it's true, doesn't mean there's actually scientific backing to that assumption

It's a universal truth that men are men and women are women. I don't know why you think that can be argued against. The idea that gender expression can be a bit more fluid is one thing, but you're trying to change biological reality. There's being progressive and then being disingenuous.

Like, the idea of bringing intersex people into it is just dumb. That is an unfortunate deformity. It's not a new sex. It does not redefine sex. When people bring it up, they act like intersex people are fully function hermaphrodites or something. It's a series of conditions, some worse than others.


It adds nuance. No, I'm not saying intersex people are a new sex. I'm saying they'd still have to fit somewhere in the spectrum between male and female. And guess what? That means that xxy people would be classified as either male or female. And even then there's some who might have androgen sensitivity and never develop a penis. It adds nuance and that's precisely why it gets brought up, to demonstrate that "xx is girl xy is boy" is not some universal truth and that all people are only one are the other, it's that there's far more configurations that fit under both or either.
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gunplagirl
06/21/18 4:33:12 PM
#148:


LockeMonster posted...
gunplagirl posted...
LockeMonster posted...
gunplagirl posted...
Okay. Now read what you wrote, and then realize you're not actually disproving anything I said but instead are arguing "oh, 2 million and 4 million people are totally different" when the entire point of this little roundabout was to not ignore groups in the population when trying to make some universal 100% catch all claim. Which you did and still are.

I got your point, I was also trying to correct you since you're wrong. Even 1% vs 2% of the population is 70 million fucking people.

You were touting wrong numbers and I corrected you after I asked for you to show me sources to these "well documented" numbers.


I don't have enough O characters in this post so I'll have to use scientific notation

Wh o^4224563336789985446722 sh

Look, if you want to make a point, be an adult and be clear about it.

Nothing I've said is wrong. There's also nothing wrong in correcting someone if they have incorrect numbers. I understand what your overall point is but you kept saying they're equal when they're not.


So do several million people not have any statistical merit or do they?
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Metro2
06/21/18 4:33:32 PM
#149:


Vyrulisse posted...
If you got nice legs and thick thighs I'm all in no matter what you are


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Russman
06/21/18 4:34:05 PM
#150:


gunplagirl posted...
Russman posted...
gunplagirl posted...
COVxy posted...
Russman posted...
Ok? Would you link something that proves this fact wrong? Its in a textbook because its a universally accepted scientific fact.


What, that sex chromosomes exist? How exactly does that have anything to do with what is being discussed here? Turns out that human development is a lot more complicated than elementary school genetics.

Scientific fact is kinda a silly phrase. The only "facts" are data, not the conclusions generated by them, and even then data has uncertainty around it.


*insert list of known chimeras here, insert list of fish that change sex and can procreate as either here, etc.*

*insert list of hum- oh wait this isnt possible


Human chimeras have been recorded. *laughs* some bioengineer you are.

Not a single human chimera has been able to have both sexes. Unlike the lab rats you are citing. If you were honest and not merely pushing a narrative, you would know that human chimeras are from blood transfusions or absorbing a dead twin fetus. Neither of which would lead to a transgender.
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