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P4wn4g3 posted...

chrono625 posted...

Why is drug and alcohol addiction a "disease" but gaming addiction isn't?

Substances affect your brain chemistry. Activities do as well, but in much different ways. You won't get chemically dependent on them for example.

Ok. So. Wouldnt both actions be prevented by not partaking in them? My point is, and always has been, drug addiction is only predicated on the choice to use an addictive substance. So how does one develop drug addiction without using drugs?

Hence, why calling it a disease is so dishonest.
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MabusIncarnate posted...

I mean, you can get addicted to anything you enjoy, working out, eating, painting, playing sports, watching television, etc. It's not a mental disorder though, it's just being passionate about what you enjoy.

In order for something to be a disorder it must overall negatively impact your life. Not every addiction does this, and thus it's looked at on a case by case basis. All this does is give doctors an official diagnosis for gaming addiction so they can treat it when necessary.

Will be nice when i can collect disability for my gaming disorder
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chrono625 posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

chrono625 posted...

Why is drug and alcohol addiction a "disease" but gaming addiction isn't?

Substances affect your brain chemistry. Activities do as well, but in much different ways. You won't get chemically dependent on them for example.

Ok. So. Wouldnt both actions be prevented by not partaking in them? My point is, and always has been, drug addiction is only predicated on the choice to use an addictive substance. So how does one develop drug addiction without using drugs?

Hence, why calling it a disease is so dishonest.

It's called a disease because it matches the criteria for a disease. It's like saying lung cancer isn't a disease because it was their choice to smoke cigarettes. That's completely irrelevant to whether it's a disease.
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ChainedRedone posted...

chrono625 posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

chrono625 posted...

Why is drug and alcohol addiction a "disease" but gaming addiction isn't?

Substances affect your brain chemistry. Activities do as well, but in much different ways. You won't get chemically dependent on them for example.

Ok. So. Wouldnt both actions be prevented by not partaking in them? My point is, and always has been, drug addiction is only predicated on the choice to use an addictive substance. So how does one develop drug addiction without using drugs?

Hence, why calling it a disease is so dishonest.

It's called a disease because it matches the criteria for a disease. It's like saying lunch cancer isn't a disease because it was their choice to smoke cigarettes. That's completely irrelevant to whether it's a disease.

You can get lung cancer and never touch a cigarette.

You cant get opioid addiction without having done an opioid.

It's not the same.
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chrono625 posted...

ChainedRedone posted...

chrono625 posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

chrono625 posted...

Why is drug and alcohol addiction a "disease" but gaming addiction isn't?

Substances affect your brain chemistry. Activities do as well, but in much different ways. You won't get chemically dependent on them for example.

Ok. So. Wouldnt both actions be prevented by not partaking in them? My point is, and always has been, drug addiction is only predicated on the choice to use an addictive substance. So how does one develop drug addiction without using drugs?

Hence, why calling it a disease is so dishonest.

It's called a disease because it matches the criteria for a disease. It's like saying lunch cancer isn't a disease because it was their choice to smoke cigarettes. That's completely irrelevant to whether it's a disease.

You can get lung cancer and never touch a cigarette.

You cant get opioid addiction without having done an opioid.

It's not the same.

So alcoholic liver disease isn't a disease, right? There are many more diseases caused by only drugs, but that is a prominent one.
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I mean, addiction is just a process where taking part in something for long enougg affects the chemistry of the brain, so when you are separated from this source of pleasure, you're driven to return to it by the chemical imbalances in your brain. Taking part in the action releases a bit of dopamine, and cutting the action out deprives you of that extra dopamine hit.

Drugs can physically alter that chemistry, but so can immensely pleasurable activities like sex - you're a slave to your desires to get the next dopamine hit. If the activity that triggers this reaction is video games, then yeah - you can be addicted to video games.
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I feel like this just falls under general addiction. There's substance addiction affecting your brain, and then there's the chemical imbalance in your head addiction.

ChainedRedone posted...

chrono625 posted...

ChainedRedone posted...

chrono625 posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

chrono625 posted...

Why is drug and alcohol addiction a "disease" but gaming addiction isn't?

Substances affect your brain chemistry. Activities do as well, but in much different ways. You won't get chemically dependent on them for example.

Ok. So. Wouldnt both actions be prevented by not partaking in them? My point is, and always has been, drug addiction is only predicated on the choice to use an addictive substance. So how does one develop drug addiction without using drugs?

Hence, why calling it a disease is so dishonest.

It's called a disease because it matches the criteria for a disease. It's like saying lunch cancer isn't a disease because it was their choice to smoke cigarettes. That's completely irrelevant to whether it's a disease.

You can get lung cancer and never touch a cigarette.

You cant get opioid addiction without having done an opioid.

It's not the same.

So alcoholic liver disease isn't a disease, right?

You can have liver failure without drinking alcohol.

And liver disease from drinking is a side effect of drinking.

We're talking about addiction being a disease.

As I've said. Drug addiction isnt something you just develop. You have to partake in narcotics in order to develop the addiction.

So to me, it's more of a self inflicted choice rather than some infectious disease.
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chrono625 posted...

You can have liver failure without drinking alcohol.

And liver disease from drinking is a side effect of drinking.

We're talking about addiction being a disease.

As I've said. Drug addiction isnt something you just develop. You have to partake in narcotics in order to develop the addiction.

So to me, it's more of a self inflicted choice rather than some infectious disease.

But you won't get alcoholic liver disease without alcohol. There are many diseases that are a result of drug use. You're saying those are real diseases because you can't simply "turn it off" but not taking drugs anymore? Is that your argument?

Because if your argument is "well it was your choice to do drugs" then there are many diseases that are the result of poor choices that you apparently wouldn't think is a disease.
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ChainedRedone posted...

chrono625 posted...

You can have liver failure without drinking alcohol.

And liver disease from drinking is a side effect of drinking.

We're talking about addiction being a disease.

As I've said. Drug addiction isnt something you just develop. You have to partake in narcotics in order to develop the addiction.

So to me, it's more of a self inflicted choice rather than some infectious disease.

But you won't get alcoholic liver disease without alcohol. There are many diseases that are a result of drug use. You're saying those are real diseases because you can't simply "turn it off" but not taking drugs anymore? Is that your argument?

We're not talking about diseases that come as a result of addiction.

We're talking about labeling addiction itself as a disease.

Back to your lung cancer from cigarettes comparison. You can literally get lung cancer and never touch a cigarette. You can get emphazyma from never smoking a cigarette.

You can get liver failure or disease and never be an alcoholic.

YOU CANNOT BECOME ADDICTED TO A SUBSTANCE IF ITS NEVER PUT INTO YOUR BODY.

And if you have such a hard on for labeling drug or alcohol addiction a disease then why is any other addiction not given the same treatment?
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chrono625 posted...

ChainedRedone posted...

chrono625 posted...

You can have liver failure without drinking alcohol.

And liver disease from drinking is a side effect of drinking.

We're talking about addiction being a disease.

As I've said. Drug addiction isnt something you just develop. You have to partake in narcotics in order to develop the addiction.

So to me, it's more of a self inflicted choice rather than some infectious disease.

But you won't get alcoholic liver disease without alcohol. There are many diseases that are a result of drug use. You're saying those are real diseases because you can't simply "turn it off" but not taking drugs anymore? Is that your argument?

We're not talking about diseases that come as a result of addiction.

We're talking about labeling addiction itself as a disease.

I understand that but if your argument is "well it was your choice to do drugs" then there are many diseases that are the result of poor choices. You calling the disease completely avoidable "if you just didn't make those choices" isn't exclusive to just addiction. Which is why I'm asking you to further elaborate.
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ChainedRedone posted...

chrono625 posted...

ChainedRedone posted...

chrono625 posted...

You can have liver failure without drinking alcohol.

And liver disease from drinking is a side effect of drinking.

We're talking about addiction being a disease.

As I've said. Drug addiction isnt something you just develop. You have to partake in narcotics in order to develop the addiction.

So to me, it's more of a self inflicted choice rather than some infectious disease.

But you won't get alcoholic liver disease without alcohol. There are many diseases that are a result of drug use. You're saying those are real diseases because you can't simply "turn it off" but not taking drugs anymore? Is that your argument?

We're not talking about diseases that come as a result of addiction.

We're talking about labeling addiction itself as a disease.

I understand that but if your argument is "well it was your choice to do drugs" then there are many diseases that are the result of poor choices. You calling the disease completely avoidable "if you just didn't make those choices" isn't exclusive to just addiction. Which is why I'm asking you to further elaborate.

You dont need to preach to me, my mom was an avid smoker for 40+ years and she developed lung cancer.

If she didnt smoke I'd agree she most likely wouldnt have gotten lung cancer. But that doesnt make it impossible to get lung cancer if you weren't a smoker.
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chrono625 posted...

ChainedRedone posted...

chrono625 posted...

ChainedRedone posted...

chrono625 posted...

You can have liver failure without drinking alcohol.

And liver disease from drinking is a side effect of drinking.

We're talking about addiction being a disease.

As I've said. Drug addiction isnt something you just develop. You have to partake in narcotics in order to develop the addiction.

So to me, it's more of a self inflicted choice rather than some infectious disease.

But you won't get alcoholic liver disease without alcohol. There are many diseases that are a result of drug use. You're saying those are real diseases because you can't simply "turn it off" but not taking drugs anymore? Is that your argument?

We're not talking about diseases that come as a result of addiction.

We're talking about labeling addiction itself as a disease.

I understand that but if your argument is "well it was your choice to do drugs" then there are many diseases that are the result of poor choices. You calling the disease completely avoidable "if you just didn't make those choices" isn't exclusive to just addiction. Which is why I'm asking you to further elaborate.

You dont need to preach to me, my mom was an avid smoker for 40+ years and she developed lung cancer.

If she didnt smoke I'd agree she most likely wouldnt have gotten lung cancer. But that doesnt make it impossible to get lung cancer if you weren't a smoker.

I ain't preaching, homeboy. I never said it was impossible to get lung cancer any other way. It sounds like you think that because addiction is a disease that results from one's choices (according to you) it's not a real disease. And I'm telling you there are many diseases that results from one's choices. That is not the criteria for diseases and you seem to be mistaken about that.
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nemu posted...

I feel like this just falls under general addiction. There's substance addiction affecting your brain, and then there's the chemical imbalance in your head addiction.

You'd prolly treat gaming addiction differently than, say, sex addiction. That's the point in specifying an addiction. Categories only exist to help figure out treatment anyways
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P4wn4g3 posted...

Drugs are chemically addicting. Has to do with brain chemistry. But feel free to keep talking about things you clearly know nothing about.

Drugs are chemically addicting because of dopamine reward pathways.

Pleasurable activities including eating, having sex, and playing video games can activate dopamine reward pathways.

A lot of addiction shares a common underlying mechanism that's actually fairly well understood. Treating it is a fairly different story.

Also people misunderstand the point of labeling mental disorders. It's more for professionals and researchers to communicate more efficiently/effectively. The proposed disorders have specific criteria that when one of these professionals uses the term, certain risk factors and associations immediately come to mind. These aren't obvious to people who don't have a medical background, and the terms seem somewhat arbitrary/dumb because might as well call it "addiction disorder" and be done with it.

For what it's worth. Laypeople get waaaay too caught up in semantics regarding mental disorders. Virtually every practicing clinician has a more nuanced look into each individual case and prescribes treatments based off of symptomatology. That's why I literally shrug when I hear "gaming disorder" because to me it's fairly self-evident the underlying mechanisms and guides me into investigating whether a patient with gaming disorder has other things going on such as substance abuse, comorbid bipolar disorder, or issues with impulse control. I don't internalize it as some affront against gaming as a hobby in general.
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Blue_Dream87 posted...

Categories only exist to help figure out treatment anyways

This is key right here. The labels help researchers study associations because it standardizes populations when you have groups of patients who meet the criteria for a diagnosis versus not. Such that even if the disorder is simply a "syndrome" with no ties to an organic disease, you still find correlates amongst people who exhibit that behavior relative to those who do not. Which helps with figuring out treatments.

It also helps clinicians because specific addictions might have underlying risk factors or associations with other seemingly unrelated disorders to an untrained eye.
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Darmik posted...

I'm guessing the rise of online gaming has made it worse. There's no real incentive to stop. No end goal. There's always a new carrot on a stick to chase.

same as pacman?
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P4wn4g3 posted...

ChainedRedone posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

Idk, these days? dissociative disorder, generalized anxiety disorder, social anxiety disorder, major depressive disorder, agoraphobia off the top of my head.

Edit: oh, avoidant personality disorder, and a couple related disorders.

So you're saying drug use disorders doesn't explain it well because they're probably depressed? Do you think someone who Gambles their life savings away simply has an anxiety disorder, or perhaps they're just avoidant and therefore gambling addiction is a stupid label?

None of those disorders explains the compulsion of addiction.

The proposed disorder doesn't describe gaming as a compulsion. Insofar as its described literally any of these other diagnoses would be more helpful to the patient as it is seeking treatment for a root cause, not for a past time behavior that has nothing to back it as compulsory in itself.

I'm not saying gaming can't be addictive. It's just silly to paint it so broadly. May as well diagnose everyone that comes in with generalized anxiety disorder, give them some Paxil, and call it a day.

If it's there to describe a more manic behavior where someone seriously can't stop to do things like eat on a regular basis, it needs to be clarified better than it is. But then I think it might just fall into OCD.

There a reason you aren't qualified to make diagnoses and doctors are.
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LordRazziel posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

ChainedRedone posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

Idk, these days? dissociative disorder, generalized anxiety disorder, social anxiety disorder, major depressive disorder, agoraphobia off the top of my head.

Edit: oh, avoidant personality disorder, and a couple related disorders.

So you're saying drug use disorders doesn't explain it well because they're probably depressed? Do you think someone who Gambles their life savings away simply has an anxiety disorder, or perhaps they're just avoidant and therefore gambling addiction is a stupid label?

None of those disorders explains the compulsion of addiction.

The proposed disorder doesn't describe gaming as a compulsion. Insofar as its described literally any of these other diagnoses would be more helpful to the patient as it is seeking treatment for a root cause, not for a past time behavior that has nothing to back it as compulsory in itself.

I'm not saying gaming can't be addictive. It's just silly to paint it so broadly. May as well diagnose everyone that comes in with generalized anxiety disorder, give them some Paxil, and call it a day.

If it's there to describe a more manic behavior where someone seriously can't stop to do things like eat on a regular basis, it needs to be clarified better than it is. But then I think it might just fall into OCD.

There a reason you aren't qualified to make diagnoses and doctors are.

You see a therapist to get diagnosed generally speaking. Requires a master's, not a doctorate.
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marc55 posted...

Darmik posted...

I'm guessing the rise of online gaming has made it worse. There's no real incentive to stop. No end goal. There's always a new carrot on a stick to chase.

same as pacman?

I remember a lot of people got addicted to Tetris too.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

LordRazziel posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

ChainedRedone posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

Idk, these days? dissociative disorder, generalized anxiety disorder, social anxiety disorder, major depressive disorder, agoraphobia off the top of my head.

Edit: oh, avoidant personality disorder, and a couple related disorders.

So you're saying drug use disorders doesn't explain it well because they're probably depressed? Do you think someone who Gambles their life savings away simply has an anxiety disorder, or perhaps they're just avoidant and therefore gambling addiction is a stupid label?

None of those disorders explains the compulsion of addiction.

The proposed disorder doesn't describe gaming as a compulsion. Insofar as its described literally any of these other diagnoses would be more helpful to the patient as it is seeking treatment for a root cause, not for a past time behavior that has nothing to back it as compulsory in itself.

I'm not saying gaming can't be addictive. It's just silly to paint it so broadly. May as well diagnose everyone that comes in with generalized anxiety disorder, give them some Paxil, and call it a day.

If it's there to describe a more manic behavior where someone seriously can't stop to do things like eat on a regular basis, it needs to be clarified better than it is. But then I think it might just fall into OCD.

There a reason you aren't qualified to make diagnoses and doctors are.

You see a therapist to get diagnosed generally speaking. Requires a master's, not a doctorate.

Nah. Therapists can treat you, only psychiatrists psychologists can make diagnoses.
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Guys I'm addicted to breathing, I do it all the time, I can't stop. It's a mental disorder.

Read up on it guys, do your homework this is serious.
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MabusIncarnate posted...

Guys I'm addicted to breathing, I do it all the time, I can't stop. It's a mental disorder.

Read up on it guys, do your homework this is serious.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2174594/
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Also you guys are missing the forest for the trees.

Gaming Disorder as a classification can help facilitate study design by which you compare the incidence of the disorder in people who play games with heavy lootbox models versus games that do not employ this strategy, thus establishing a correlation (if we're to reject the null hypothesis for the sake of argument) and discouraging this type of practice in the future.

Pretty sure most of this board would be pretty okay with removing lootboxes.
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LordRazziel posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

LordRazziel posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

ChainedRedone posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

Idk, these days? dissociative disorder, generalized anxiety disorder, social anxiety disorder, major depressive disorder, agoraphobia off the top of my head.

Edit: oh, avoidant personality disorder, and a couple related disorders.

So you're saying drug use disorders doesn't explain it well because they're probably depressed? Do you think someone who Gambles their life savings away simply has an anxiety disorder, or perhaps they're just avoidant and therefore gambling addiction is a stupid label?

None of those disorders explains the compulsion of addiction.

The proposed disorder doesn't describe gaming as a compulsion. Insofar as its described literally any of these other diagnoses would be more helpful to the patient as it is seeking treatment for a root cause, not for a past time behavior that has nothing to back it as compulsory in itself.

I'm not saying gaming can't be addictive. It's just silly to paint it so broadly. May as well diagnose everyone that comes in with generalized anxiety disorder, give them some Paxil, and call it a day.

If it's there to describe a more manic behavior where someone seriously can't stop to do things like eat on a regular basis, it needs to be clarified better than it is. But then I think it might just fall into OCD.

There a reason you aren't qualified to make diagnoses and doctors are.

You see a therapist to get diagnosed generally speaking. Requires a master's, not a doctorate.

Nah. Therapists can treat you, only psychiatrists psychologists can make diagnoses.

I'm not sure what gives you that impression.
Though I think some medical standards are a bit more lax in my state due to lack of doctors.
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i hope they wont start misdiagnosing it and giving pills for no reason like it happens with kids and ADHD
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@P4wn4g3

https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/guide-to-psychiatry-and-counseling

Types of Mental Health Professionals
Your doctor might refer you to any of the following mental health professionals:

Psychiatrist. A psychiatrist is a medical doctor (M.D. or D.O.) who specializes in preventing, diagnosing, and treating mental illness. A psychiatrist's training starts with four years of medical school and is followed by a one-year internship and at least three years of specialized training as a psychiatric resident. A psychiatrist is trained to differentiate mental health problems from other underlying medical conditions that could present with psychiatric symptoms. They also monitor the effects of mental illness on other physical conditions (such as problems with the heart or high blood pressure), and the effects of medicines on the body (such as weight, blood sugar, blood pressure, sleep, and kidney or liver functioning).
As a doctor, a psychiatrist is licensed to write prescriptions. Many mental disorders -- such as depression, anxiety, ADHD, or bipolar disorder -- can be treated effectively with specific drugs. If you are working with a psychiatrist, a lot of the treatment may be focused on medication management. Sometimes medication alone is enough to treat the mental illness. Sometimes a combination of medication and psychotherapy or counseling is needed. If that is the case, the psychiatrist may provide the psychotherapy, or the psychiatrist may refer you to a counselor or other type of mental health professional.

Psychologist. A psychologist has a doctoral degree (PhD, PsyD, or EdD) in psychology, which is the study of the mind and behaviors. Graduate school provides a psychologist an education in evaluating and treating mental and emotional disorders. After completing graduate school, a clinical psychologist completes an internship that lasts two to three years and provides further training in treatment methods, psychological theory, and behavioral therapy.
Licensed psychologists are qualified to do counseling and psychotherapy, perform psychological testing, and provide treatment for mental disorders. They are not, though, medical doctors. That means that, with the exception of a few states, psychologists cannot write prescriptions or perform medical procedures. Often a psychologist will work in association with a psychiatrist or other medical doctor who provides the medical treatment for mental illness while the psychologist provides the psychotherapy.
Licensed Mental Health Counselor. A psychological counselor is a mental health professional who has a master's degree (MA) in psychology, counseling, or a related field. In order to be licensed, the professional counselor also needs two additional years' experience working with a qualified mental health professional after graduate school. A mental health counselor is qualified to evaluate and treat mental problems by providing counseling or psychotherapy.

Clinical Social Worker. A clinical social worker has at least a master's degree in social work and training to be able to evaluate and treat mental illnesses. In addition to psychotherapy, social workers can provide case management and hospital discharge planning as well as work as an advocate for patients and their family.
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Peter_Giffyndor posted...

Enjoying playing games recreationally that allow you to visit other worlds and escape temporarily: MADNESS!!!! Looney toons!!!

"Hey I want to split my dick in half, have it turned inside out, tits put on me, and call me Susan from now on. Oh and I'm also moody and suuuuuuuper depressed and liable to kill myself at any given moment": Nothing out of the ordinary here.

Not saying there's anything "wrong" with being trans, just blows my mind that liking video games = crazy pants

Good lord you're an embarrassment

It's not solely about "enjoying video games"

LordRazziel posted...

https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/guide-to-psychiatry-and-counseling

That's nice but it depends on the type of licensing. Therapists can diagnose in some situations. I'd tell you the specific license if I remembered.
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Didn't one of the guys say 20 hours is enough to be addiction? Kinda stupid when people watch on average 35 hours of TV a week.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

LordRazziel posted...

https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/guide-to-psychiatry-and-counseling

That's nice but it depends on the type of licensing. Therapists can diagnose in some situations. I'd tell you the specific license if I remembered.

I guess that could be true in some states.
Do you have any sort of degree in psychology or psychiatry?
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LordRazziel posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

LordRazziel posted...

https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/guide-to-psychiatry-and-counseling

That's nice but it depends on the type of licensing. Therapists can diagnose in some situations. I'd tell you the specific license if I remembered.

I guess that could be true in some states.
Do you have any sort of degree in psychology or psychiatry?

Nope.
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Disability here I come! Get paid to do what you love!
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P4wn4g3 posted...

LordRazziel posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

LordRazziel posted...

https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/guide-to-psychiatry-and-counseling

That's nice but it depends on the type of licensing. Therapists can diagnose in some situations. I'd tell you the specific license if I remembered.

I guess that could be true in some states.
Do you have any sort of degree in psychology or psychiatry?

Nope.

Then, what makes you think you have the knowledge to the claim people who do and have researched these matters, as ridiculous?
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Addicted to video games lol. "Please help me I can't stop playing Mario."
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LordRazziel posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

LordRazziel posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

LordRazziel posted...

https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/guide-to-psychiatry-and-counseling

That's nice but it depends on the type of licensing. Therapists can diagnose in some situations. I'd tell you the specific license if I remembered.

I guess that could be true in some states.
Do you have any sort of degree in psychology or psychiatry?

Nope.

Then, what makes you think you have the knowledge to the claim people who do and have researched these matters, as ridiculous?

Mostly experience with the psychiatric system. Medical experts have to rely on patients' ability to explain what is going on with them to give an accurate diagnosis. This can be particularly hard in psych where so many diagnoses are similar (the chief reason ICD-9 was updated, too many overlapping psych issues). Generally what someone does for fun is touched on fairly early on so a Gaming Disorder can be the first and only diagnosis given. Much like as mentioned before the widespread misdiagnosis of ADHD. This does depend on the provider of course, and whether they decide to ask what other problems the person has. I've had some do minimal work and give a misdiagnosis and others take their time. I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes a common intake diagnosis. In the end I'd rather not have fad diagnoses and treatments spread far when more reasonable solutions are just a couple more steps away for most people.

I also have parents who have worked in psych if that counts for anything. They had wanted me to go to med school for a significant portion of my life and still say I'd be a good nurse at the least, but I was determined to find my own way.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

LordRazziel posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

LordRazziel posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

LordRazziel posted...

https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/guide-to-psychiatry-and-counseling

That's nice but it depends on the type of licensing. Therapists can diagnose in some situations. I'd tell you the specific license if I remembered.

I guess that could be true in some states.
Do you have any sort of degree in psychology or psychiatry?

Nope.

Then, what makes you think you have the knowledge to the claim people who do and have researched these matters, as ridiculous?

Mostly experience with the psychiatric system. Medical experts have to rely on patients' ability to explain what is going on with them to give an accurate diagnosis. This can be particularly hard in psych where so many diagnoses are similar (the chief reason ICD-9 was updated, too many overlapping psych issues). Generally what someone does for fun is touched on fairly early on so a Gaming Disorder can be the first and only diagnosis given. Much like as mentioned before the widespread misdiagnosis of ADHD. This does depend on the provider of course, and whether they decide to ask what other problems the person has. I've had some do minimal work and give a misdiagnosis and others take their time. I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes a common intake diagnosis. In the end I'd rather not have fad diagnoses and treatments spread far when more reasonable solutions are just a couple more steps away for most people.

I also have parents who have worked in psych if that counts for anything. They had wanted me to go to med school for a significant portion of my life and still say I'd be a good nurse at the least, but I was determined to find my own way.

This is about research field, not the clinical field, though.
Many other medical conditions can be frequently misdiagnosed, as well. I don't think that has anything to say about their illegitimacy.
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LordRazziel posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

LordRazziel posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

LordRazziel posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

LordRazziel posted...

https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/guide-to-psychiatry-and-counseling

That's nice but it depends on the type of licensing. Therapists can diagnose in some situations. I'd tell you the specific license if I remembered.

I guess that could be true in some states.
Do you have any sort of degree in psychology or psychiatry?

Nope.

Then, what makes you think you have the knowledge to the claim people who do and have researched these matters, as ridiculous?

Mostly experience with the psychiatric system. Medical experts have to rely on patients' ability to explain what is going on with them to give an accurate diagnosis. This can be particularly hard in psych where so many diagnoses are similar (the chief reason ICD-9 was updated, too many overlapping psych issues). Generally what someone does for fun is touched on fairly early on so a Gaming Disorder can be the first and only diagnosis given. Much like as mentioned before the widespread misdiagnosis of ADHD. This does depend on the provider of course, and whether they decide to ask what other problems the person has. I've had some do minimal work and give a misdiagnosis and others take their time. I wouldn't be surprised if it becomes a common intake diagnosis. In the end I'd rather not have fad diagnoses and treatments spread far when more reasonable solutions are just a couple more steps away for most people.

I also have parents who have worked in psych if that counts for anything. They had wanted me to go to med school for a significant portion of my life and still say I'd be a good nurse at the least, but I was determined to find my own way.

This is about research field, not the clinical field, though.
Many other medical conditions can be frequently misdiagnosed, as well. I don't think that has anything to say about their illegitimacy.

I mean sure, it's fair game for research. I don't really see an issue there. That's not my argument.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

A diagnosis so broad you could fly a planet through it.

Gaming disorder is characterized by a pattern of persistent or recurrent gaming behavior (digital gaming or video-gaming), which may be online (i.e., over the internet) or offline, manifested by: 1) impaired control over gaming (e.g., onset, frequency, intensity, duration, termination, context); 2) increasing priority given to gaming to the extent that gaming takes precedence over other life interests and daily activities; and 3) continuation or escalation of gaming despite the occurrence of negative consequences. The behavior pattern is of sufficient severity to result in significant impairment in personal, family, social, educational, occupational or other important areas of functioning. The pattern of gaming behavior may be continuous or episodic and recurrent. The gaming behavior and other features are normally evident over a period of at least 12 months in order for a diagnosis to be assigned, although the required duration may be shortened if all diagnostic requirements are met and symptoms are severe.

Replace gaming here with literally anything else. This is a meaningless diagnosis. Besides, why weren't these idiots looking into the TV addiction of the 50s-90s? Or the reading addiction so many seem to have?

So dumb.

You know. I never thought about that but.
If someone says "oh my god I read a book last night and couldnt put it down. I read the whole thing in 8 hours straight." it is not a big deal.
If you tell someone "Ive played -random game- for 8 hours straight last night." people look at you funny.
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Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought it was that video game addiction is not a ligitamate condition.
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If you are addicted to almost anything it is detrimental. Even if you are addicted to working out, that assumes it is negatively impacting your life.
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LordRazziel posted...

Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought it was that video game addiction is not a ligitamate condition.

I mean if you want an argument from me for the research side of things I think there are more worthwhile but similar pursuits, such as why people withdraw entirely into an activity, but again if we are talking pure academia then labels are somewhat arbitrary. Research into Gaming Disorder could find the solution to the above. But is should be noted that often with things like this big pharma or some other evil conglomerate views it as a cash cow and milks it accordingly, even in research. From the research I've seen on gaming as a disorder (I read on it some in college due to some related research I was doing) there wasn't much evidence that it really stood out in a different way from other activities that people get heavily drawn into. At least, the evidence wasn't presented in the papers I read.

Additionally though, if they are implementing it in ICD-11 that would imply giving it a clinical diagnosis code.
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P4wn4g3 posted...

LordRazziel posted...

Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought it was that video game addiction is not a ligitamate condition.

I mean if you want an argument from me for the research side of things I think there are more worthwhile but similar pursuits, such as why people withdraw entirely into an activity, but again if we are talking pure academia then labels are somewhat arbitrary. Research into Gaming Disorder could find the solution to the above. But is should be noted that often with things like this big pharma or some other evil conglomerate views it as a cash cow and milks it accordingly, even in research. From the research I've seen on gaming as a disorder (I read on it some in college due to some related research I was doing) there wasn't much evidence that it really stood out in a different way from other activities that people get heavily drawn into. At least, the evidence wasn't presented in the papers I read.

Additionally though, if they are implementing it in ICD-11 that would imply giving it a clinical diagnosis code.

I would think big pharma would be more interested in some of the underlying conditions you spoke of. It seems likely that will not develop a video game addiction medication, but rather prescribe psychotherapy.
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LordRazziel posted...

P4wn4g3 posted...

LordRazziel posted...

Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought it was that video game addiction is not a ligitamate condition.

I mean if you want an argument from me for the research side of things I think there are more worthwhile but similar pursuits, such as why people withdraw entirely into an activity, but again if we are talking pure academia then labels are somewhat arbitrary. Research into Gaming Disorder could find the solution to the above. But is should be noted that often with things like this big pharma or some other evil conglomerate views it as a cash cow and milks it accordingly, even in research. From the research I've seen on gaming as a disorder (I read on it some in college due to some related research I was doing) there wasn't much evidence that it really stood out in a different way from other activities that people get heavily drawn into. At least, the evidence wasn't presented in the papers I read.

Additionally though, if they are implementing it in ICD-11 that would imply giving it a clinical diagnosis code.

I would think big pharma would be more interested in some of the underlying conditions you spoke of. It seems likely that will not develop a video game addiction medication, but rather prescribe psychotherapy.

Yeah that's a good point I guess. I can't say I am intimately familiar with the monetization of disorders. It just seems to happen one way or another all the time. Autism for example has been falsely blamed to vaccines and anti vaxxers have made little organizations to "get the word out" . So I dunno. There isn't much accounting for human stupidity I suppose.
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Video game addiction is a mental disorder while mutilating your genitals is not a mental disorder.

This is the world we live in.
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A5modeu5 posted...

You know. I never thought about that but.
If someone says "oh my god I read a book last night and couldnt put it down. I read the whole thing in 8 hours straight." it is not a big deal.
If you tell someone "Ive played -random game- for 8 hours straight last night." people look at you funny.

A lot of games employ things like no ceiling, neverending progression/loot escalator, loot boxes, daily rewards for logging in.

Even the act of most games is completing a task for a reward. That is the behavior that triggers brain chemistry that underlies most drug addictions. It's reinforcing behavior.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operant_conditioning_chamber

Older games had endings, weren't online, didn't have this chasing a carrot on a stick type of gameplay.

Books and television are more passive entertainment. Sure, someone can consume their lives with those things too, but video games as a behavior is just higher risk, especially if someone is prone to dysfunction with their dopamine reward pathways (predisposed to addiction) relative to those other hobbies.
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Video game addiction is absolutely a real thing.
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BlameAnesthesia posted...

A5modeu5 posted...

You know. I never thought about that but.
If someone says "oh my god I read a book last night and couldnt put it down. I read the whole thing in 8 hours straight." it is not a big deal.
If you tell someone "Ive played -random game- for 8 hours straight last night." people look at you funny.

A lot of games employ things like no ceiling, neverending progression/loot escalator, loot boxes, daily rewards for logging in.

Even the act of most games is completing a task for a reward. That is the behavior that triggers brain chemistry that underlies most drug addictions. It's reinforcing behavior.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operant_conditioning_chamber

Older games had endings, weren't online, didn't have this chasing a carrot on a stick type of gameplay.

Books and television are more passive entertainment. Sure, someone can consume their lives with those things too, but video games as a behavior is just higher risk, especially if someone is prone to dysfunction with their dopamine reward pathways (predisposed to addiction) relative to those other hobbies.

It's interesting, addiction runs heavily in my family but with video games I don't seem to have this problem. I don't like games with no ending. And Neverending bringing becomes a snooze fest.

But yeah, you can thank Blizzard for all this bad shit that comes out of gaming.
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