Poll of the Day > PS1 vs N64 Survival: Final Fantasy VIII vs Goldeneye 007

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VeeVees posted...

LOL, only a fanboy completely blinded by nostalgia would defend that primitive shit ass control. And using speedrunners as a defense is just laughable. Speedrunners can work with superman 64 controls. I guess that game controls fine too.

Yep, no respect for classics. Blocked.
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VeeVees posted...

TyVulpine posted...

Seriously controls even worse?? Its not the controls. Controls are spot-on, and theres even auto-aim.

LMFAO
Every control scheme was complete shit, and that's on top of a garbage controller. Pretty much every PC FPS that came out around the same time was just flat out better.

Are you saying every control scheme for all console games were bad at that time?
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LinkPizza posted...

VeeVees posted...

TyVulpine posted...

Seriously controls even worse?? Its not the controls. Controls are spot-on, and theres even auto-aim.

LMFAO
Every control scheme was complete shit, and that's on top of a garbage controller. Pretty much every PC FPS that came out around the same time was just flat out better.

Are you saying every control scheme for all console games were bad at that time?

Thats usually how it goes. Its never them, they blame the controller or the game or the system or...
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TyVulpine posted...

VeeVees posted...

LOL, only a fanboy completely blinded by nostalgia would defend that primitive shit ass control. And using speedrunners as a defense is just laughable. Speedrunners can work with superman 64 controls. I guess that game controls fine too.

Yep, no respect for classics. Blocked.

LMFAO
Proof that you are a fanboy blinded by nostalgia.
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LinkPizza posted...

Are you saying every control scheme for all console games were bad at that time?

No, I'm saying goldeneye's 10 or so control schemes are all complete shit.
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VeeVees posted...

LinkPizza posted...

Are you saying every control scheme for all console games were bad at that time?

No, I'm saying goldeneye's 10 or so control schemes are all complete shit.

They may not have been the best, but they were usable. During that time, and for a little while later, lots of games had weird controls. Even today, some games control a little weird. Not all mind you. Though some games are very similar to others and have similar controls. So, they may have been a little different. But definitely not unplayable...
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Any time you have to use "for its time" it means it's bad. People don't have to defend 3rd strike, chrono trigger, etc. as good "for its time" because they are actually good.
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VeeVees posted...

Any time you have to use "for its time" it means it's bad. People don't have to defend 3rd strike, chrono trigger, etc. as good "for its time" because they are actually good.

Yeah. But they control are probably still the same. Especially since as far as I know, I think its an RPG with turn based battles, I guess. Its an old system that works because the controls are basic. For FPS these days, there are a lot of buttons, which makes it more complicated. And they were able to still work it on an old controller. Its doesnt matter if a hame aged well. I would figure the question would be talking about the game when it came out. So, I think for its time, it was the best they could do. And it was playable. If this was a question about which game aged worse, then I would accept for its time to be a shitty answer. But I dont think that was the question...
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Man N64 overall is getting murdered
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LinkPizza posted...

VeeVees posted...

Any time you have to use "for its time" it means it's bad. People don't have to defend 3rd strike, chrono trigger, etc. as good "for its time" because they are actually good.

Yeah. But they control are probably still the same. Especially since as far as I know, I think its an RPG with turn based battles, I guess. Its an old system that works because the controls are basic. For FPS these days, there are a lot of buttons, which makes it more complicated. And they were able to still work it on an old controller. Its doesnt matter if a hame aged well. I would figure the question would be talking about the game when it came out. So, I think for its time, it was the best they could do. And it was playable. If this was a question about which game aged worse, then I would accept for its time to be a shitty answer. But I dont think that was the question...

Even if we are talking strictly "for its time", GE was still inferior to pc fps. Quake 2 and half life came around the same time and completely puts GE to shame. Whereas ff8 was near the top of its genre for the time. Basically, the only way you can claim GE is a good game is if you turn up your ignorance meter to the max and ignore every good fps since before GE came out. That way there's no comparison and GE can be good by default.
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VeeVees posted...

LinkPizza posted...

VeeVees posted...

Any time you have to use "for its time" it means it's bad. People don't have to defend 3rd strike, chrono trigger, etc. as good "for its time" because they are actually good.

Yeah. But they control are probably still the same. Especially since as far as I know, I think its an RPG with turn based battles, I guess. Its an old system that works because the controls are basic. For FPS these days, there are a lot of buttons, which makes it more complicated. And they were able to still work it on an old controller. Its doesnt matter if a hame aged well. I would figure the question would be talking about the game when it came out. So, I think for its time, it was the best they could do. And it was playable. If this was a question about which game aged worse, then I would accept for its time to be a shitty answer. But I dont think that was the question...

Even if we are talking strictly "for its time", GE was still inferior to pc fps. Quake 2 and half life came around the same time and completely puts GE to shame. Whereas ff8 was near the top of its genre for the time. Basically, the only way you can claim GE is a good game is if you turn up your ignorance meter to the max and ignore every good fps since before GE came out. That way there's no comparison and GE can be good by default.

PC controls may have been better. But most people say they are still better these days. Though, I think it depends on the person. When I was younger, I was much better using a controller instead of Keyboard and mouse. And it might also depend on if you played FPS before that. Even then, I saw a few FPS and nothing ever really held my attention(FPS-wise) until GE. But other than controls, what makes it a bad game?
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Poorly balanced multiplayer, a bunch of redundant weapons, bad maps, limited AI, horrible graphics.

But mainly, still bad controls. It's an action focused game and control is the most important thing.
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VeeVees posted...

Poorly balanced multiplayer, a bunch of redundant weapons, bad maps, limited AI, horrible graphics.

But mainly, still bad controls. It's an action focused game and control is the most important thing.

I dont remember the multiplayer being poorly balanced. The only character that was unbalanced was odd job. But the other characters were pretty much the same. I wouldnt say they had the best weapons. But they had some good ones. You had both proximity and remote mines. The AK. The golden gun. And a few others that I cant remember. Though maybe some were redundant. But we didnt always use all of them. I barely remember them. Haha. There were some good maps, though I remember playing in the temple(I think) a lot... the AI was probably bad, but I mostly played mulitplayer. And graphics, well, its old. They were kinda bad, but its old, so...
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LinkPizza posted...

VeeVees posted...

Poorly balanced multiplayer, a bunch of redundant weapons, bad maps, limited AI, horrible graphics.

But mainly, still bad controls. It's an action focused game and control is the most important thing.

I dont remember the multiplayer being poorly balanced. The only character that was unbalanced was odd job. But the other characters were pretty much the same. I wouldnt say they had the best weapons. But they had some good ones. You had both proximity and remote mines. The AK. The golden gun. And a few others that I cant remember. Though maybe some were redundant. But we didnt always use all of them. I barely remember them. Haha. There were some good maps, though I remember playing in the temple(I think) a lot... the AI was probably bad, but I mostly played mulitplayer. And graphics, well, its old. They were kinda bad, but its old, so...

And the multiplayer had guns that werent available in the main game (unless you used cheats). Silver PP7, Gold PP7, auto shotgun, taser.
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Dang! Talk about a come back! These teams were tied an hour or so ago
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