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They will never be able to fucking top that roster. Ever. With literally every character in the history of the series making it in, there's no where to go from here, down the line in the future lol.
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Too many clones still
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you arent very bright, are you? do you honestly think that finding more new characters to add in future installments will be an issue?

That's what we said for Smash 3DS/Wii U, and look at where we're at now
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Yeah, the roster is clear fanservice more than ever, especially with Daisy and Ridley in.

Hopefully King K. Rool also makes it in.
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I'm also guessing there will be under 10 new characters. Maybe only half a dozen or so. But that's not too bad I suppose considering how the brought all the old ones back and did a lot more work on the current ones than I expected.
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might as well throw in the tall W
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Puglia77 posted...

That's what we said for Smash 3DS/Wii U, and look at where we're at now

Exactly, people said that, knowing the one flaw in Smash 4's roster was that it was missing a lot of older characters.

All those characters are now back in, with the two biggest fan requests being added in as well.
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LedZeppelin posted...

you arent very bright, are you? do you honestly think that finding more new characters to add in future installments will be an issue?

Why insult me? What the fuck was the point of that?
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Any roster without Daisy would be by far better than this one.
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this is similar to what happened with Tekken 7
Tekken Tag 2 had every character up to that point (with one minor exclusion) and Tekken 7 dropped like half of them and introduced a few more, quite a few complaints
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This does make me wonder how many new characters are in. Sakurai did say to not expect many new characters as a result of the already huge roster.

Also will there be DLC?
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Banjo2553 posted...

This does make me wonder how many new characters are in. Sakurai did say to not expect many new characters as a result of the already huge roster.

Also will there be DLC?

Probably will be DLC. It makes sense. Maybe not as much as Smash 4 had though because the DLC will be all new characters.
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I'm assuming we'll probably only end up with like 5 newcomers tops. We got 2.5 so far, do I guess maybe is expected like 2-3 more, not including dlc.

I'd be SHOCKED if Spring Man was left out. I'm assuming they're working on him still for the final game and he's not ready to show off in a playable form.
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It's simple, just add Waluigi
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Banjo2553 posted...

This does make me wonder how many new characters are in. Sakurai did say to not expect many new characters as a result of the already huge roster.

Given it's releasing in December there's probably only like 2 or 3 more.
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Here's hoping for Spring Man, Decidueye, Dixie Kong, and King K. Rool.
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still no goku
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BLAKUboy posted...

Banjo2553 posted...

This does make me wonder how many new characters are in. Sakurai did say to not expect many new characters as a result of the already huge roster.

Given it's releasing in December there's probably only like 2 or 3 more.

Maybe a new character or mode reveal every month like they did with Melee?
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Spring Man won't be in.
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ForestLogic posted...

LedZeppelin posted...

you arent very bright, are you? do you honestly think that finding more new characters to add in future installments will be an issue?

Why insult me? What the fuck was the point of that?

He insulted you while missing your point as well.
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Even solid snake?
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MacDaMurderer posted...

Even solid snake?

Yes
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MacDaMurderer posted...

Even solid snake?

Yes. Hayter back, too.
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They can simply remove a few of the useless characters (like Pichu beforehand) and throw in somebody like Sora.
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Blue_Target posted...

They can simply remove a few of the useless characters (like Pichu beforehand) and throw in somebody like Sora.

But then it riles up the Pichu fans (all 7 of them), which is the point I'm making with this thread.
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refmon posted...

Too many clones still

Smash 4 3DS with alternate assignable moves / customizable characters proves you can make characters play quite differently while having a core moveset.

My Marth / Lucina / Roy all play very differently with different moves across the board.
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ForestLogic posted...

But then it riles up the Pichu fans (all 7 of them), which is the point I'm making with this thread.

They can make new movesets like they did for Pikachu to make Pichu truly different in playstyle.

No more will Pichu just be Baby Pikachu with a smaller hitbox.
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ForestLogic posted...

But then it riles up the Pichu fans (all 7 of them), which is the point I'm making with this thread.

People really weren't all that upset at losing Pichu. Him, Young Link, Dr Mario, Lucina, Dark Pit, and Daisy are all perfectly expendable.
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Blue_Target posted...

They can simply remove a few of the useless characters (like Pichu beforehand) and throw in somebody like Sora.

Or they could not remove them?

Why are people so desperate to have less characters

Darklit_Minuet posted...

Blue_Target posted...

They can simply remove a few of the useless characters (like Pichu beforehand) and throw in somebody like Sora.

Or they could not remove them?

Why are people so desperate to have less characters

Because new characters would be a way better use of dev time than clones
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Darklit_Minuet posted...

Blue_Target posted...

They can simply remove a few of the useless characters (like Pichu beforehand) and throw in somebody like Sora.

Or they could not remove them?

Why are people so desperate to have less characters

He literally said remove and add.

I highly doubt this is all leading to a 100 character smash bros. Eventually there will be characters removed and added in new iterations.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

They can make new movesets like they did for Pikachu to make Pichu truly different in playstyle.

That should have been done for Brawl but they didn't. Instead they added a new character that has a different playstyle to fot their character. Fair tradeoff imo.
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Pichu is literally the worst Smash character of all time so I refuse to believe people are excited for him
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ForestLogic posted...

Spring Man

... From Mega Man 7?
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This may as well be the last Smash Bros., or in the future it gets a massive overhaul/reduction.
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DevsBro posted...

ForestLogic posted...

Spring Man

... From Mega Man 7?

Nah, the flagship character from ARMS.
That was the first thing I thought of before the ARMS character though. >_>
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Yeah this is obviously gonna end up spoiling some people. Because now they're gonna expect this for any possibly Smash game made afterwards. To the point of having 130+ characters.
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KCJ5062 posted...

Yeah this is obviously gonna end up spoiling some people. Because now they're gonna expect this for any possibly Smash game made afterwards. To the point of having 130+ characters.

I'm ok with more characters.
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Now we just need Character Move Customization like Smash 4 3DS.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

KCJ5062 posted...

Yeah this is obviously gonna end up spoiling some people. Because now they're gonna expect this for any possibly Smash game made afterwards. To the point of having 130+ characters.

I'm ok with more characters.

My point is the only reason they're bringing back pretty much every character is because they're reusing assets. However they can't do that with every single game from now on. Let's say they keep making Smash games for the rest of our lives. Do people really expect Smash 9, probably about thirty years from now, to have 120+ playable characters? It's just not feasible and it's not healthy for the community, as the roster has become so large that entire sections of it will be completely ignored, the player who now feels so overwhelmed with so many options, they may never become a master of any character if they keep trying to try each one, or the game, which now has to incorporate elements (stages, trophies, music, etc.) for all of those characters. It becomes a mess. If the series truly goes on for many years and has many more installments, expect to see many characters come and go over the years with a core group of 20 or so characters that are staples for every game.

There's also development time. While it's easier to reuse elements from characters that already existed in the previous game, but it's still not a simple copy-and-paste. It still takes time to texture the models and balance the moves. If you're doing this for 50+ veterans the time still adds up, and will continue to the more you pile onto the roster. It's resources that could be spent making some fresh new game modes or amazing stages, making the game the best and most beautiful it can possibly be rather than cramming as many characters into the game as possible for the sake of having as many characters in the game as possible because some people can't stand the thought of losing characters they never touch anyway.
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KamenRiderBlade posted...

Now we just need Character Move Customization like Smash 4 3DS.

Palutena having her moves "streamlined" basically confirms custom moves are gone.
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KCJ5062 posted...

My point is the only reason they're bringing back pretty much every character is because they're reusing assets. However they can't do that with every single game from now on. Let's say they keep making Smash games for the rest of our lives. Do people really expect Smash 9, probably about thirty years from now, to have 120+ playable characters? It's just not feasible and it's not healthy for the community, as the roster has become so large that entire sections of it will be completely ignored, the player who now feels so overwhelmed with so many options, they may never become a master of any character if they keep trying to try each one, or the game, which now has to incorporate elements (stages, trophies, music, etc.) for all of those characters. It becomes a mess. If the series truly goes on for many years and has many more installments, expect to see many characters come and go over the years with a core group of 20 or so characters that are staples for every game.

There's also development time. While it's easier to reuse elements from characters that already existed in the previous game, but it's still not a simple copy-and-paste. It still takes time to texture the models and balance the moves. If you're doing this for 50+ veterans the time still adds up, and will continue to the more you pile onto the roster. It's resources that could be spent making some fresh new game modes or amazing stages, making the game the best and most beautiful it can possibly be rather than cramming as many characters into the game as possible for the sake of having as many characters in the game as possible because some people can't stand the thought of losing characters they never touch anyway.

League of Legends manages to constantly update it's 120+ roster and keep it fresh.

No reason to see why Nintendo, with some extra $ / staff couldn't do the same.
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BLAKUboy posted...

Palutena having her moves "streamlined" basically confirms custom moves are gone.

=(
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Banjo2553 posted...

DevsBro posted...

ForestLogic posted...

Spring Man

... From Mega Man 7?

Nah, the flagship character from ARMS.
That was the first thing I thought of before the ARMS character though. >_>

Oh ok.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/234547-super-smash-bros-ultimate/76703642

I couldn't resist. This should be super entertaining.
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Conflict posted...

hey're just excited for the big package that the new game is going to bring, which includes bringing back pointless characters like Pichu and Young Link

Young Link gets the old Link moveset though
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Did we see any BOTW costumes for Link and Zelda by any chance
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