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Webmaster4531 06/06/18 3:39:53 PM #51:	CarlGrimes posted... Webmaster4531 posted... All of a sudden religious freedom doesn't matter to conservatives? Such a mystery. There is a line when it to the workplace. If you choose to fast it is on you, not your place of employment. Webmaster4531 posted... That's so convenient. Businesses are always right, fuck employees and consumers. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:902661202] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote><cite>CarlGrimes posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>All of a sudden religious freedom doesn't matter to conservatives? Such a mystery.</quote> There is a line when it to the workplace. If you choose to fast it is on you, not your place of employment.</quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>That's so convenient. Businesses are always right, fuck employees and consumers.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CarlGrimes 06/06/18 3:45:53 PM #52:	Sorry but if you choose to fast it is on you. No business should be forced to pick up the slack because you make the choice to not eat and drink while working on the job. Religious rights only go so far at places of employment. Think of all the legit religions that can use drugs. They can still fire your ass if you pop a piss test. --- You'll get a funeral if you don't wise up and call me....Carl Poppa. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9aM9Ch97U8 <cite>CarlGrimes posted [p:902661579] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote>Sorry but if you choose to fast it is on you. No business should be forced to pick up the slack because you make the choice to not eat and drink while working on the job. Religious rights only go so far at places of employment. Think of all the legit religions that can use drugs. They can still fire your ass if you pop a piss test.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 06/06/18 3:46:16 PM #53:	You can have all the religious freedom you want, outside of the business you don't own. No one is stopping them from quitting and fasting until they die. Why are you struggling to see how religious freedom and business freedom aren't opposing freedoms? --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:902661604] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote>You can have all the religious freedom you want, outside of the business you don't own. No one is stopping them from quitting and fasting until they die. Why are you struggling to see how religious freedom and business freedom aren't opposing freedoms?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/06/18 3:48:49 PM #54:	How, exactly, does an employer facilitate an employee who refuses to drink water? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:902661774] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote>How, exactly, does an employer facilitate an employee who refuses to drink water?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 06/06/18 3:49:55 PM #55:	Questionmarktarius posted... How, exactly, does an employer facilitate an employee who refuses to drink water? Maybe IV drips are acceptable ways to avoiding having "eaten". lol --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:902661838] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>How, exactly, does an employer facilitate an employee who refuses to drink water?</quote> Maybe IV drips are acceptable ways to avoiding having "eaten". lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YellowSUV 06/06/18 3:51:20 PM #56:	Not drinking water when you need it is stupid and dangerous. Religion is a plague upon humanity. --- We all live in a Yellow SUV! a Yellow SUV! <cite>YellowSUV posted [p:902661927] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote>Not drinking water when you need it is stupid and dangerous. Religion is a plague upon humanity.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 06/06/18 3:52:16 PM #57:	Questionmarktarius posted... How, exactly, does an employer facilitate an employee who refuses to drink water? In a hot building doing physically demanding work to boot. --- Oda break tracker 2018- 3 (2) \| THE Ohio State: 11-2 \| Oakland Raiders: 6-10 Super Mario Maker Profile: 1237-0000-0073-02FE <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:902661984] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote>How, exactly, does an employer facilitate an employee who refuses to drink water?</quote> In a hot building doing physically demanding work to boot.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 06/06/18 3:53:11 PM #58:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... You can have all the religious freedom you want, outside of the business you don't own. No one is stopping them from quitting and fasting until they die. Why are you struggling to see how religious freedom and business freedom aren't opposing freedoms? You don't see the hypocrisy advocating that a business can force someone to violate their religion and that same business can violate the rights of a consumer. If there are limits to religious freedom then both consumers and businesses should abide by limits. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:902662041] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote>You can have all the religious freedom you want, outside of the business you don't own. No one is stopping them from quitting and fasting until they die. Why are you struggling to see how religious freedom and business freedom aren't opposing freedoms?</quote> You don't see the hypocrisy advocating that a business can force someone to violate their religion and that same business can violate the rights of a consumer. If there are limits to religious freedom then both consumers and businesses should abide by limits.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 06/06/18 3:58:05 PM #59:	Webmaster4531 posted... can force someone to violate their religion Wrong. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:902662318] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote> can force someone to violate their religion</quote> Wrong.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 06/06/18 4:03:24 PM #60:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Webmaster4531 posted... can force someone to violate their religion Wrong. So it's their choice to work like it's a business' choice to open? --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:902662582] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote> can force someone to violate their religion</quote> Wrong.</quote> So it's their choice to work like it's a business' choice to open?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 06/06/18 4:12:37 PM #61:	Webmaster4531 posted... So it's their choice to work Yes. To work. To work at a specific business if that business wants them. like No. it's a business' choice to open? Yes. --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:902663105] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>So it's their choice to work</quote> Yes. To work. To work at a specific business if that business wants them. <quote>like</quote> No. <quote>it's a business' choice to open?</quote> Yes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 06/06/18 4:13:30 PM #62:	Anarchy_Juiblex posted... Webmaster4531 posted... So it's their choice to work Yes. To work. To work at a specific business if that business wants them. like No. it's a business' choice to open? Yes. How are they not similar? --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:902663153] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote><cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>So it's their choice to work</quote> Yes. To work. To work at a specific business if that business wants them. <quote>like</quote> No. <quote>it's a business' choice to open?</quote> Yes.</quote> How are they not similar?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Fluttershy462 06/07/18 12:33:52 AM #63:	They shouldnt be working if theyre fasting --- Now hyped for: Pokemon Pikachu and Eevee Let's Go <cite>Fluttershy462 posted [p:902690982] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote>They shouldnt be working if theyre fasting</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Muffinz0rz 06/07/18 11:08:55 AM #64:	Fluttershy462 posted... They shouldnt be working if theyre fasting yeahhh but then people will get up in arms when they don't get paid and cite religious freedom as an excuse for a paid vacation --- Not removing this until Pat Benatar is in Super Smash Bros. (Started 8/31/2010) 2018 NFLB Summersim (4-4): https://imgur.com/7cjNtgQ <cite>Muffinz0rz posted [p:902708396] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fluttershy462 posted...</cite> <quote>They shouldnt be working if theyre fasting</quote> yeahhh but then people will get up in arms when they don't get paid and cite religious freedom as an excuse for a paid vacation</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LJRENEGADE 06/07/18 12:39:55 PM #65:	Webmaster4531 posted... All of a sudden religious freedom doesn't matter to conservatives? Such a mystery. Well to be fair, no one is stopping them from fasting. And not everyone who is on Amazon's side about that is a conservative. <cite>LJRENEGADE posted [p:902713510] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>All of a sudden religious freedom doesn't matter to conservatives? Such a mystery.</quote> Well to be fair, no one is stopping them from fasting. And not everyone who is on Amazon's side about that is a conservative.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hop103 06/07/18 12:41:27 PM #66:	xBloodBrotherx posted... I think the way to fix this is to deregulate. Obviously it's regulations keeping Amazon from taking care of their employees properly with all their money. If they've shown anything it's that if we got rid of those damn nonspecific regulations that the free market would fix this. That's even worse, most corporate execs have no soul and don't care if their workers die. --- "In the name of the future moon I shall punish you"-Chibi Moon <cite>Hop103 posted [p:902713595] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote><cite>xBloodBrotherx posted...</cite> <quote>I think the way to fix this is to deregulate. Obviously it's regulations keeping Amazon from taking care of their employees properly with all their money. If they've shown anything it's that if we got rid of those damn nonspecific regulations that the free market would fix this.</quote> That's even worse, most corporate execs have no soul and don't care if their workers die.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gamer167 06/07/18 12:45:32 PM #67:	Damn you BEEEEEEZOOOOOS!!! <cite>gamer167 posted [p:902713814] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote>Damn you BEEEEEEZOOOOOS!!!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 06/07/18 12:46:32 PM #68:	Fluttershy462 posted... They shouldnt be working if theyre fasting Don't they have to fast for over a month? There isn't enough vacation time for that. --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:902713862] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote><cite>Fluttershy462 posted...</cite> <quote>They shouldnt be working if theyre fasting</quote> Don't they have to fast for over a month? There isn't enough vacation time for that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Anarchy_Juiblex 06/07/18 1:54:23 PM #69:	LightHawKnight posted... Don't they have to fast for over a month? There isn't enough vacation time for that. And that's anyone's but their problem how? --- "Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice." ~ Ayaan Hirsi Ali <cite>Anarchy_Juiblex posted [p:902717655] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote><cite>LightHawKnight posted...</cite> <quote>Don't they have to fast for over a month? There isn't enough vacation time for that.</quote> And that's anyone's but their problem how?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 06/07/18 2:18:23 PM #70:	LJRENEGADE posted... Webmaster4531 posted... All of a sudden religious freedom doesn't matter to conservatives? Such a mystery. Well to be fair, no one is stopping them from fasting. And not everyone who is on Amazon's side about that is a conservative. Let's be fair to conservatives when they want to be unfair to gays. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:902718944] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote><cite>LJRENEGADE posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>All of a sudden religious freedom doesn't matter to conservatives? Such a mystery.</quote> Well to be fair, no one is stopping them from fasting. And not everyone who is on Amazon's side about that is a conservative.</quote> Let's be fair to conservatives when they want to be unfair to gays.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LJRENEGADE 06/07/18 4:06:55 PM #71:	Webmaster4531 posted... LJRENEGADE posted... Webmaster4531 posted... All of a sudden religious freedom doesn't matter to conservatives? Such a mystery. Well to be fair, no one is stopping them from fasting. And not everyone who is on Amazon's side about that is a conservative. Let's be fair to conservatives when they want to be unfair to gays. What are you even talking about? <cite>LJRENEGADE posted [p:902725155] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LJRENEGADE posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>All of a sudden religious freedom doesn't matter to conservatives? Such a mystery.</quote> Well to be fair, no one is stopping them from fasting. And not everyone who is on Amazon's side about that is a conservative.</quote> Let's be fair to conservatives when they want to be unfair to gays.</quote> What are you even talking about?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 06/07/18 4:19:45 PM #72:	LJRENEGADE posted... Webmaster4531 posted... LJRENEGADE posted... Webmaster4531 posted... All of a sudden religious freedom doesn't matter to conservatives? Such a mystery. Well to be fair, no one is stopping them from fasting. And not everyone who is on Amazon's side about that is a conservative. Let's be fair to conservatives when they want to be unfair to gays. What are you even talking about? Have you been living under a rock? There was a recent Supreme Court case involving discrimination against gays based on religious freedom. Someone answer this. Webmaster4531 posted... So it's a religious person's choice to work like it's a religious person's choice to open a business? --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:902725917] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote><cite>LJRENEGADE posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LJRENEGADE posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>All of a sudden religious freedom doesn't matter to conservatives? Such a mystery.</quote> Well to be fair, no one is stopping them from fasting. And not everyone who is on Amazon's side about that is a conservative.</quote> Let's be fair to conservatives when they want to be unfair to gays.</quote> What are you even talking about?</quote> Have you been living under a rock? There was a recent Supreme Court case involving discrimination against gays based on religious freedom. Someone answer this. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>So it's a religious person's choice to work like it's a religious person's choice to open a business?</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LJRENEGADE 06/07/18 4:53:39 PM #73:	Webmaster4531 posted... LJRENEGADE posted... Webmaster4531 posted... LJRENEGADE posted... Webmaster4531 posted... All of a sudden religious freedom doesn't matter to conservatives? Such a mystery. Well to be fair, no one is stopping them from fasting. And not everyone who is on Amazon's side about that is a conservative. Let's be fair to conservatives when they want to be unfair to gays. What are you even talking about? Have you been living under a rock? There was a recent Supreme Court case involving discrimination against gays based on religious freedom. What relevance does that have to this Amazon thing? Like I said in my first post, they're not stopping anyone from following their religion. They didn't tell the guy he can't fast. Who's religious freedom is being violated in the examples in the OP? <cite>LJRENEGADE posted [p:902727864] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LJRENEGADE posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LJRENEGADE posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>All of a sudden religious freedom doesn't matter to conservatives? Such a mystery.</quote> Well to be fair, no one is stopping them from fasting. And not everyone who is on Amazon's side about that is a conservative.</quote> Let's be fair to conservatives when they want to be unfair to gays.</quote> What are you even talking about?</quote> Have you been living under a rock? There was a recent Supreme Court case involving discrimination against gays based on religious freedom.</quote> What relevance does that have to this Amazon thing? Like I said in my first post, they're not stopping anyone from following their religion. They didn't tell the guy he can't fast. Who's religious freedom is being violated in the examples in the OP?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 06/07/18 4:58:57 PM #74:	Ramadan fasting includes water? Wtf. That's ridiculous. How are Muslims supposed to not die? --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:902728175] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote>Ramadan fasting includes water? Wtf. That's ridiculous. How are Muslims supposed to not die?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LJRENEGADE 06/07/18 5:03:32 PM #75:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Ramadan fasting includes water? Wtf. That's ridiculous. How are Muslims supposed to not die? iirc, each night, there's a specific time they're allowed to eat and all. Its called Itfar or Iftar I think. They are allowed to eat during Ramadan, just only at specific times of the day. <cite>LJRENEGADE posted [p:902728437] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>Ramadan fasting includes water? Wtf. That's ridiculous. How are Muslims supposed to not die?</quote> iirc, each night, there's a specific time they're allowed to eat and all. Its called Itfar or Iftar I think. They are allowed to eat during Ramadan, just only at specific times of the day.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 06/07/18 5:06:19 PM #76:	LJRENEGADE posted... Webmaster4531 posted... LJRENEGADE posted... Webmaster4531 posted... LJRENEGADE posted... Webmaster4531 posted... All of a sudden religious freedom doesn't matter to conservatives? Such a mystery. Well to be fair, no one is stopping them from fasting. And not everyone who is on Amazon's side about that is a conservative. Let's be fair to conservatives when they want to be unfair to gays. What are you even talking about? Have you been living under a rock? There was a recent Supreme Court case involving discrimination against gays based on religious freedom. What relevance does that have to this Amazon thing? Like I said in my first post, they're not stopping anyone from following their religion. They didn't tell the guy he can't fast. Who's religious freedom is being violated in the examples in the OP? They're not being accommodated enough if they can't follow their religious fast. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:902728591] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote><cite>LJRENEGADE posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LJRENEGADE posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LJRENEGADE posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>All of a sudden religious freedom doesn't matter to conservatives? Such a mystery.</quote> Well to be fair, no one is stopping them from fasting. And not everyone who is on Amazon's side about that is a conservative.</quote> Let's be fair to conservatives when they want to be unfair to gays.</quote> What are you even talking about?</quote> Have you been living under a rock? There was a recent Supreme Court case involving discrimination against gays based on religious freedom.</quote> What relevance does that have to this Amazon thing? Like I said in my first post, they're not stopping anyone from following their religion. They didn't tell the guy he can't fast. Who's religious freedom is being violated in the examples in the OP?</quote> They're not being accommodated enough if they can't follow their religious fast.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/07/18 5:07:27 PM #77:	Webmaster4531 posted... They're not being accommodated enough if they can't follow their religious fast. How would a company even do that? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:902728646] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>They're not being accommodated enough if they can't follow their religious fast.</quote> How would a company even do that?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
edededdy 06/07/18 5:09:08 PM #78:	Questionmarktarius posted... Webmaster4531 posted... They're not being accommodated enough if they can't follow their religious fast. How would a company even do that? this exactly. accOmodations can only go so far --- Voted best user on CE 2017 hahahahah lmfao <cite>edededdy posted [p:902728750] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>They're not being accommodated enough if they can't follow their religious fast.</quote> How would a company even do that?</quote> this exactly. accOmodations can only go so far</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 06/07/18 5:11:20 PM #79:	edededdy posted... Questionmarktarius posted... Webmaster4531 posted... They're not being accommodated enough if they can't follow their religious fast. How would a company even do that? this exactly. accOmodations can only go so far So there are limits to religious freedom? --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:902728874] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote><cite>edededdy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>They're not being accommodated enough if they can't follow their religious fast.</quote> How would a company even do that?</quote> this exactly. accOmodations can only go so far</quote> So there are limits to religious freedom?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ImTheMacheteGuy 06/07/18 5:12:11 PM #80:	LJRENEGADE posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Ramadan fasting includes water? Wtf. That's ridiculous. How are Muslims supposed to not die? iirc, each night, there's a specific time they're allowed to eat and all. Its called Itfar or Iftar I think. They are allowed to eat during Ramadan, just only at specific times of the day. Ah okay. Still, water should be an exception. It's water. --- Place-holder sig because new phone and old sigs not saved :/ <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted [p:902728924] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote><cite>LJRENEGADE posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>Ramadan fasting includes water? Wtf. That's ridiculous. How are Muslims supposed to not die?</quote> iirc, each night, there's a specific time they're allowed to eat and all. Its called Itfar or Iftar I think. They are allowed to eat during Ramadan, just only at specific times of the day.</quote> Ah okay. Still, water should be an exception. It's water.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
edededdy 06/07/18 5:13:00 PM #81:	Webmaster4531 posted... edededdy posted... Questionmarktarius posted... Webmaster4531 posted... They're not being accommodated enough if they can't follow their religious fast. How would a company even do that? this exactly. accOmodations can only go so far So there are limits to religious freedom? hell fucking yes there are. its not amazons problem they took a hard labor job when they know they fast for a month every year --- Voted best user on CE 2017 hahahahah lmfao <cite>edededdy posted [p:902728962] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>edededdy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>They're not being accommodated enough if they can't follow their religious fast.</quote> How would a company even do that?</quote> this exactly. accOmodations can only go so far</quote> So there are limits to religious freedom?</quote> hell fucking yes there are. its not amazons problem they took a hard labor job when they know they fast for a month every year</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/07/18 5:13:09 PM #82:	Webmaster4531 posted... So there are limits to religious freedom? Not really, no. There are, however, limits to expecting everyone else to enable it. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:902728972] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>So there are limits to religious freedom?</quote> Not really, no. There are, however, limits to expecting everyone else to enable it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FrisbeeDude 06/07/18 5:14:34 PM #83:	edededdy posted... prince_leo posted... i'm all for religious freedom and i'm no fan of the way Amazon treats their workers, but the fasting stuff is really not Amazon's problem and I don't really support changing schedules because of religion my religion dictates I only work 1 minute a week for a full 40 hour paycheck. where are my accommodations Trump supporters in a nutshell --- If you're not voting like a black woman, your opinion doesn't matter to me <cite>FrisbeeDude posted [p:902729039] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote><cite>edededdy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>prince_leo posted...</cite> <quote>i'm all for religious freedom and i'm no fan of the way Amazon treats their workers, but the fasting stuff is really not Amazon's problem and I don't really support changing schedules because of religion</quote> my religion dictates I only work 1 minute a week for a full 40 hour paycheck. where are my accommodations</quote> Trump supporters in a nutshell</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 06/07/18 5:17:18 PM #84:	Questionmarktarius posted... Webmaster4531 posted... So there are limits to religious freedom? Not really, no. There are, however, limits to expecting everyone else to enable it. Functionally that's no different from answering yes. Webmaster4531 posted... Someone answer this. So it's a religious person's choice to work like it's a religious person's choice to open a business? --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:902729195] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>So there are limits to religious freedom?</quote> Not really, no. There are, however, limits to expecting everyone else to enable it.</quote> Functionally that's no different from answering yes. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>Someone answer this. So it's a religious person's choice to work like it's a religious person's choice to open a business?</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 06/07/18 5:22:17 PM #85:	Webmaster4531 posted... Questionmarktarius posted... Webmaster4531 posted... So there are limits to religious freedom? Not really, no. There are, however, limits to expecting everyone else to enable it. Functionally that's no different from answering yes. It's not freedom, when you compel someone else to do something. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:902729489] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>So there are limits to religious freedom?</quote> Not really, no. There are, however, limits to expecting everyone else to enable it.</quote> Functionally that's no different from answering yes.</quote> It's not freedom, when you compel someone else to do something.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 06/07/18 5:24:24 PM #86:	Questionmarktarius posted... Webmaster4531 posted... Questionmarktarius posted... Webmaster4531 posted... So there are limits to religious freedom? Not really, no. There are, however, limits to expecting everyone else to enable it. Functionally that's no different from answering yes. It's not freedom, when you compel someone else to do something. No one compels someone to open a business. Both employees and self employed business owners have a profit motive to do what they do. Their religion be damned. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:902729612] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Questionmarktarius posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>So there are limits to religious freedom?</quote> Not really, no. There are, however, limits to expecting everyone else to enable it.</quote> Functionally that's no different from answering yes.</quote> It's not freedom, when you compel someone else to do something.</quote> No one compels someone to open a business. Both employees and self employed business owners have a profit motive to do what they do. Their religion be damned.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LJRENEGADE 06/07/18 7:00:27 PM #87:	Webmaster4531 posted... So there are limits to religious freedom? No one is stopping them from fasting and no one is violating their religious freedom. Whether you believe the company should accommodate them on this or you believe the opposite, not allowing them to exercise their religion and simply not accommodating their religion are not the same thing. They're allowed to fast, but because of that, they're going to be dehydrated because its a strenuous physical job. There's just no way around that. If you don't drink water and you do a lot of physical work, especially in the heat, you'll probably become dehydrated. I mean I get it, they're just following their religion and want to minimize the problems they have at work, I'm not against the company helping them out there. But I don't think their religious rights are being violated here. ImTheMacheteGuy posted... LJRENEGADE posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Ramadan fasting includes water? Wtf. That's ridiculous. How are Muslims supposed to not die? iirc, each night, there's a specific time they're allowed to eat and all. Its called Itfar or Iftar I think. They are allowed to eat during Ramadan, just only at specific times of the day. Ah okay. Still, water should be an exception. It's water. Yeah, its strict, and I know a few people whose bodies don't handle the diet change so well. <cite>LJRENEGADE posted [p:902734890] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>So there are limits to religious freedom?</quote> No one is stopping them from fasting and no one is violating their religious freedom. Whether you believe the company should accommodate them on this or you believe the opposite, not allowing them to exercise their religion and simply not accommodating their religion are not the same thing. They're allowed to fast, but because of that, they're going to be dehydrated because its a strenuous physical job. There's just no way around that. If you don't drink water and you do a lot of physical work, especially in the heat, you'll probably become dehydrated. I mean I get it, they're just following their religion and want to minimize the problems they have at work, I'm not against the company helping them out there. But I don't think their religious rights are being violated here. <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LJRENEGADE posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>Ramadan fasting includes water? Wtf. That's ridiculous. How are Muslims supposed to not die?</quote> iirc, each night, there's a specific time they're allowed to eat and all. Its called Itfar or Iftar I think. They are allowed to eat during Ramadan, just only at specific times of the day.</quote> Ah okay. Still, water should be an exception. It's water.</quote> Yeah, its strict, and I know a few people whose bodies don't handle the diet change so well.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 06/07/18 7:06:20 PM #88:	LJRENEGADE posted... Webmaster4531 posted... So there are limits to religious freedom? No one is stopping them from fasting and no one is violating their religious freedom. Whether you believe the company should accommodate them on this or you believe the opposite, not allowing them to exercise their religion and simply not accommodating their religion are not the same thing. They're allowed to fast, but because of that, they're going to be dehydrated because its a strenuous physical job. There's just no way around that. If you don't drink water and you do a lot of physical work, especially in the heat, you'll probably become dehydrated. I mean I get it, they're just following their religion and want to minimize the problems they have at work, I'm not against the company helping them out there. But I don't think their religious rights are being violated here. ImTheMacheteGuy posted... LJRENEGADE posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Ramadan fasting includes water? Wtf. That's ridiculous. How are Muslims supposed to not die? iirc, each night, there's a specific time they're allowed to eat and all. Its called Itfar or Iftar I think. They are allowed to eat during Ramadan, just only at specific times of the day. Ah okay. Still, water should be an exception. It's water. Yeah, its strict, and I know a few people whose bodies don't handle the diet change so well. Do you consider yourself someone? --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:902735229] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote><cite>LJRENEGADE posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>So there are limits to religious freedom?</quote> No one is stopping them from fasting and no one is violating their religious freedom. Whether you believe the company should accommodate them on this or you believe the opposite, not allowing them to exercise their religion and simply not accommodating their religion are not the same thing. They're allowed to fast, but because of that, they're going to be dehydrated because its a strenuous physical job. There's just no way around that. If you don't drink water and you do a lot of physical work, especially in the heat, you'll probably become dehydrated. I mean I get it, they're just following their religion and want to minimize the problems they have at work, I'm not against the company helping them out there. But I don't think their religious rights are being violated here. <cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LJRENEGADE posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>Ramadan fasting includes water? Wtf. That's ridiculous. How are Muslims supposed to not die?</quote> iirc, each night, there's a specific time they're allowed to eat and all. Its called Itfar or Iftar I think. They are allowed to eat during Ramadan, just only at specific times of the day.</quote> Ah okay. Still, water should be an exception. It's water.</quote> Yeah, its strict, and I know a few people whose bodies don't handle the diet change so well.</quote> Do you consider yourself someone?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LJRENEGADE 06/07/18 7:13:38 PM #89:	Webmaster4531 posted... Do you consider yourself someone? If you're trying to make a point, just say it directly <cite>LJRENEGADE posted [p:902735610] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>Do you consider yourself someone?</quote> If you're trying to make a point, just say it directly</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 06/07/18 7:15:17 PM #90:	LJRENEGADE posted... Webmaster4531 posted... Do you consider yourself someone? If you're trying to make a point, just say it directly Webmaster4531 posted... Someone answer this. So it's a religious person's choice to work like it's a religious person's choice to open a business? --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:902735673] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote><cite>LJRENEGADE posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>Do you consider yourself someone?</quote> If you're trying to make a point, just say it directly</quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>Someone answer this. So it's a religious person's choice to work like it's a religious person's choice to open a business?</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FightingGames 06/07/18 7:17:52 PM #92:	based amazon --- https://my.mixtape.moe/whapui.webm <cite>FightingGames posted [p:902735799] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote>based amazon</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 06/07/18 7:26:20 PM #93:	Nall posted... Webmaster4531 posted... LJRENEGADE posted... Webmaster4531 posted... Do you consider yourself someone? If you're trying to make a point, just say it directly Webmaster4531 posted... Someone answer this. So it's a religious person's choice to work like it's a religious person's choice to open a business? Can you elaborate on that question? I dont understand what exactly youre asking or what point youre trying to make with it. Are they similar choices? Both argue accommodations for religious freedom. One to not pass out during work and one to violate the Civil Rights Act. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:902736227] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote><cite>Nall posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LJRENEGADE posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>Do you consider yourself someone?</quote> If you're trying to make a point, just say it directly</quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>Someone answer this. So it's a religious person's choice to work like it's a religious person's choice to open a business?</quote></quote> Can you elaborate on that question? I dont understand what exactly youre asking or what point youre trying to make with it.</quote> Are they similar choices? Both argue accommodations for religious freedom. One to not pass out during work and one to violate the Civil Rights Act.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gmanthebest 06/08/18 9:51:18 AM #94:	LJRENEGADE posted... Webmaster4531 posted... LJRENEGADE posted... Webmaster4531 posted... LJRENEGADE posted... Webmaster4531 posted... All of a sudden religious freedom doesn't matter to conservatives? Such a mystery. Well to be fair, no one is stopping them from fasting. And not everyone who is on Amazon's side about that is a conservative. Let's be fair to conservatives when they want to be unfair to gays. What are you even talking about? Have you been living under a rock? There was a recent Supreme Court case involving discrimination against gays based on religious freedom. What relevance does that have to this Amazon thing? No relevance at all, but that won't stop him from trying to make it relevant. --- What do I feel when I shoot an enemy? Recoil. <cite>gmanthebest posted [p:902766975] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote><cite>LJRENEGADE posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LJRENEGADE posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LJRENEGADE posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>All of a sudden religious freedom doesn't matter to conservatives? Such a mystery.</quote> Well to be fair, no one is stopping them from fasting. And not everyone who is on Amazon's side about that is a conservative.</quote> Let's be fair to conservatives when they want to be unfair to gays.</quote> What are you even talking about?</quote> Have you been living under a rock? There was a recent Supreme Court case involving discrimination against gays based on religious freedom.</quote> What relevance does that have to this Amazon thing?</quote> No relevance at all, but that won't stop him from trying to make it relevant.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LightHawKnight 06/08/18 10:04:03 AM #95:	ImTheMacheteGuy posted... LJRENEGADE posted... ImTheMacheteGuy posted... Ramadan fasting includes water? Wtf. That's ridiculous. How are Muslims supposed to not die? iirc, each night, there's a specific time they're allowed to eat and all. Its called Itfar or Iftar I think. They are allowed to eat during Ramadan, just only at specific times of the day. Ah okay. Still, water should be an exception. It's water. Someone already said it was okay to break the fast if needed. --- The Official Odin of the Shin Megami Tensei IV board. "You know how confusing the whole good-evil concept is for me." <cite>LightHawKnight posted [p:902767485] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote><cite>LJRENEGADE posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ImTheMacheteGuy posted...</cite> <quote>Ramadan fasting includes water? Wtf. That's ridiculous. How are Muslims supposed to not die?</quote> iirc, each night, there's a specific time they're allowed to eat and all. Its called Itfar or Iftar I think. They are allowed to eat during Ramadan, just only at specific times of the day.</quote> Ah okay. Still, water should be an exception. It's water.</quote> Someone already said it was okay to break the fast if needed.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 06/08/18 11:26:08 AM #96:	gmanthebest posted... No relevance at all, but that won't stop him from trying to make it relevant. Every single one of you is afraid to answer this question. Webmaster4531 posted... So it's a religious person's choice to work like it's a religious person's choice to open a business? --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:902771474] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote><cite>gmanthebest posted...</cite> <quote>No relevance at all, but that won't stop him from trying to make it relevant.</quote> Every single one of you is afraid to answer this question. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>So it's a religious person's choice to work like it's a religious person's choice to open a business?</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gmanthebest 06/08/18 11:42:12 AM #97:	Webmaster4531 posted... gmanthebest posted... No relevance at all, but that won't stop him from trying to make it relevant. Every single one of you is afraid to answer this question. Webmaster4531 posted... So it's a religious person's choice to work like it's a religious person's choice to open a business? There's a difference between choosing to work at a company and a company refusing to do custom orders based on religious reasons. Especially since Amazon isn't even infringing on their rights. They're allowed to fast as much as they want, nobody is stopping them. --- What do I feel when I shoot an enemy? Recoil. <cite>gmanthebest posted [p:902772273] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gmanthebest posted...</cite> <quote>No relevance at all, but that won't stop him from trying to make it relevant.</quote> Every single one of you is afraid to answer this question. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>So it's a religious person's choice to work like it's a religious person's choice to open a business?</quote></quote> There's a difference between choosing to work at a company and a company refusing to do custom orders based on religious reasons. Especially since Amazon isn't even infringing on their rights. They're allowed to fast as much as they want, nobody is stopping them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
_MorningStar 06/08/18 11:56:25 AM #98:	KamenRiderBlade posted... voldothegr8 posted... Most of them don't have AC I'm not talking about the AC part, I know that. I used to work in one too back in the day. But the other parts, the strict schedule, the ### of boxes / packages you need to meet quota, the trackers to see if your hands are idle or not efficient enough, etc. What kind of place doesn't have strict schedules and doesn't want you working the entire time they are paying you to work? --- https://imgur.com/UM1VO2V https://imgur.com/fd6WS3f <cite>_MorningStar posted [p:902773071] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote><cite>KamenRiderBlade posted...</cite> <quote><cite>voldothegr8 posted...</cite> <quote>Most of them don't have AC</quote>I'm not talking about the AC part, I know that. I used to work in one too back in the day. But the other parts, the strict schedule, the ### of boxes / packages you need to meet quota, the trackers to see if your hands are idle or not efficient enough, etc.</quote> What kind of place doesn't have strict schedules and doesn't want you working the entire time they are paying you to work?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LJRENEGADE 06/08/18 12:09:26 PM #99:	Webmaster4531 posted... Every single one of you is afraid to answer this question. Webmaster4531 posted... So it's a religious person's choice to work like it's a religious person's choice to open a business? Can't speak for anyone else, but I didn't answer because I don't understand the question. Are you using it to imply that its not a choice to work because everyone needs to work to provide for themselves? Obviously that's true but no one is forced to work at one specific job if they don't like it. I really don't see what point you're trying to make. And if you're trying to link this back to the gay cake thing, I don't see the relevance. Are you trying to imply people are being hypocrites? There probably are some, like with anything, but just because someone doesn't think Amazon should accommodate these employees, it doesn't mean they're a conservative and it doesn't imply that they would support a company that doesn't want to make a cake for a gay couple based on the idea that its their religious freedom. I don't see the connection you're trying to make. <cite>LJRENEGADE posted [p:902773888] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>Every single one of you is afraid to answer this question. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>So it's a religious person's choice to work like it's a religious person's choice to open a business?</quote></quote> Can't speak for anyone else, but I didn't answer because I don't understand the question. Are you using it to imply that its not a choice to work because everyone needs to work to provide for themselves? Obviously that's true but no one is forced to work at one specific job if they don't like it. I really don't see what point you're trying to make. And if you're trying to link this back to the gay cake thing, I don't see the relevance. Are you trying to imply people are being hypocrites? There probably are some, like with anything, but just because someone doesn't think Amazon should accommodate these employees, it doesn't mean they're a conservative and it doesn't imply that they would support a company that doesn't want to make a cake for a gay couple based on the idea that its their religious freedom. I don't see the connection you're trying to make.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Webmaster4531 06/08/18 12:13:49 PM #100:	gmanthebest posted... Webmaster4531 posted... gmanthebest posted... No relevance at all, but that won't stop him from trying to make it relevant. Every single one of you is afraid to answer this question. Webmaster4531 posted... So it's a religious person's choice to work like it's a religious person's choice to open a business? There's a difference between choosing to work at a company and a company refusing to do custom orders based on religious reasons. Especially since Amazon isn't even infringing on their rights. They're allowed to fast as much as they want, nobody is stopping them. Amazon isn't infringing on their rights. They just need to quit if they can't handle fasting and working. No one is infringing on the business owner's rights either. They just need to quit if they can't handle making cake for any protected class. --- Ad Hominem. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted [p:902774163] in Minnesota ... [t:76680189]...</cite> <quote><cite>gmanthebest posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>gmanthebest posted...</cite> <quote>No relevance at all, but that won't stop him from trying to make it relevant.</quote> Every single one of you is afraid to answer this question. <cite>Webmaster4531 posted...</cite> <quote>So it's a religious person's choice to work like it's a religious person's choice to open a business?</quote></quote> There's a difference between choosing to work at a company and a company refusing to do custom orders based on religious reasons. Especially since Amazon isn't even infringing on their rights. They're allowed to fast as much as they want, nobody is stopping them.</quote> Amazon isn't infringing on their rights. They just need to quit if they can't handle fasting and working. No one is infringing on the business owner's rights either. They just need to quit if they can't handle making cake for any protected class.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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