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So john was trying to kill people who represented the 7 deadly sins, but orchestrated his own death before wrath died...so he failed? What a dope.
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I mean, wrath lost his wife, career, and likely got sent to prison. I'd say that's pretty brutal.

but he didn't die, which was the whole point.

And I doubt a jury would convict him given the circumstances.
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I mean, you're right. But I still love the movie.

lilORANG posted...

but he didn't die, which was the whole point.

And I doubt a jury would convict him given the circumstances.

i interpreted the end as envy having created a new killer
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He killed him on the inside

It wasn't the victims that represented the 7 deadly sins, it was the murderous act that represented them. Like Doe's goal wasn't to punish 7 different people, it was to create 7 different murders that represented each sin.
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brat pitt's character will likely be in a mental institution the rest of his life. john's plan worked.
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I wonder if this movie will continue to be in rotation considering two of its stars are embedded in the #MeToo storm.

it's a frustrating movie because the entire climax is the "Dont do the dumb thing!" trope
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I'm in a minority here, but I didn't really like the ending. Brad Pitt's wailing of "What's in the booooooox?" is just impossible for me to take seriously.
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Cleo_II posted...

He killed him on the inside

that's 2deep4me
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EnterTheTekken posted...

I wonder if this movie will continue to be in rotation considering two of its stars are embedded in the #MeToo storm.

I wondered the same thing. I didn't even know Kevin Spacey was in it.
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DuranOfForcena posted...

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

It wasn't the victims that represented the 7 deadly sins, it was the murderous act that represented them. Like Doe's goal wasn't to punish 7 different people, it was to create 7 different murders that represented each sin.

this

y'all must have forgotten the part where Doe's riding in the car with Mills and methodically explains why he chose each of the victims.

fatty is gluttony
lawyer is greed
Dude strapped to bed for a year was sloth
prostitute was lust
model was pride
social lame-o shut-in jelly of another dude's happy life was envy
enraged dude was wrath

I think Doe even says "I am envy" at the end or something
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lilORANG posted...

And I doubt a jury would convict him given the circumstances.

Yeah this would get nullified so hard

Axiom posted...

lilORANG posted...

And I doubt a jury would convict him given the circumstances.

Yeah this would get nullified so hard

Idk, seems like you'd have to plead insanity, which is a hail mary. Likely, i imagine the judge would just be very lenient at sentencing. Idk these things though.
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COVxy posted...

Axiom posted...

lilORANG posted...

And I doubt a jury would convict him given the circumstances.

Yeah this would get nullified so hard

Idk, seems like you'd have to plead insanity, which is a hail mary. Likely, i imagine the judge would just be very lenient at sentencing. Idk these things though.

I think he means nullified as in jury nullification.
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King Rial posted...

COVxy posted...

Axiom posted...

lilORANG posted...

And I doubt a jury would convict him given the circumstances.

Yeah this would get nullified so hard

Idk, seems like you'd have to plead insanity, which is a hail mary. Likely, i imagine the judge would just be very lenient at sentencing. Idk these things though.

I think he means nullified as in jury nullification.

Does that like ever happen?
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lilORANG posted...

DuranOfForcena posted...

AngelsNAirwav3s posted...

It wasn't the victims that represented the 7 deadly sins, it was the murderous act that represented them. Like Doe's goal wasn't to punish 7 different people, it was to create 7 different murders that represented each sin.

this

y'all must have forgotten the part where Doe's riding in the car with Mills and methodically explains why he chose each of the victims.

fatty is gluttony
lawyer is greed
Dude strapped to bed for a year was sloth
prostitute was lust
model was pride
social lame-o shut-in jelly of another dude's happy life was envy
enraged dude was wrath

I think Doe even says "I am envy" at the end or something

Yeah he says something like "I'm envy, now become wrath" to him.
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COVxy posted...

King Rial posted...

COVxy posted...

Axiom posted...

lilORANG posted...

And I doubt a jury would convict him given the circumstances.

Yeah this would get nullified so hard

Idk, seems like you'd have to plead insanity, which is a hail mary. Likely, i imagine the judge would just be very lenient at sentencing. Idk these things though.

I think he means nullified as in jury nullification.

Does that like ever happen?

yes.

and it totes would if a cop killed a serial killer after learning his wife was just murdered by the same dude. Hell the prosecutor might not even bring charges in that case, or at worst it would be manslaughter, pleaded down to something less.
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COVxy posted...

Does that like ever happen?

Yeah. Here in Michigan, Jeff Feiger representing Dr. Kevorkian got the jury to nullify more than once in assisted suicide cases in the 90s.
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He wouldn't get convicted of anything, but his days of being a detective were certainly over. Maybe he could do private security or a private dick. But he'd most likely hit the bottle, pills, you name it.

What was in the box?
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Dr_Agon posted...

What was in the box?

Marcellus Wallace's soul
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

Dr_Agon posted...

What was in the box?

Marcellus Wallace's soul

NOICE
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John Doe planned this meticulously for a very long time, and with the exception of that small glitch where Somerset and Mills find his apartment a bit too early, it's safe to say his plan is carried out. However, Doe's plan involves 7 victims representing each sin, but not necessarily performing them or dying for them:

-The Gluttony victim was indeed killed by Doe for his sin by being force-fed.
-The Greed victim was killed somewhat indirectly by Doe, also for embodying his sin.
-The Pride victim also embodied her sin, but was presumably faced with a choice and chose death herself. It's not made entirely clear in the film, but it's possible she could've lived. It's also possible that this one was rushed or improvised after Doe was tracked down by Somerset and Mills and had to change his plans.
-The Sloth victim was punished for his sin as well, but he's not dead yet (although braindead and basically a living corpse). His sin of Sloth was also rather forced upon him by Doe.
-The Lust victim was the prostitute, but the guy who actually embodies the sin of Lust is still alive (although traumatized and branded for life for killing her).
-The Envy victim is Mills' wife, although the sin's perpetrator is Doe himself.
-The Wrath victim is Doe, now with Mills embodying the sin and suffering the consequences.

As you can see, the master plan was never as straight forward as '7 people dying for their sins' but rather a complex admonition involving 7 victims and the 7 deadly sins, that eventually loops in on itself (with Doe and Mills playing a part in it: Doe being envious because he's unable to live a normal life in the sick world he's in, and Mills representing the law's inability to cure it). Doe wanted his master plan to be "puzzled over and studied", and now, as Somerset realizes, he's certainly going to achieve that.
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