Current Events > Is Depression a state of mind/weakness or legitimate mental disorder?

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What do you think? Everytime i look back in my life, i think about all the moments i should've been 'depressed', because something bad has happened. And all those times, the worst thing i did was relentlessly play video games, which looking back WAS an issue, since i could've been productive with something else, but i wouldn't classify it as a mental disorder and more of my own personal state of mind.

As such I consider Alzheimer or schizophrenia as mental disorders that the host largely has no control over. As such they are 'legitimate' disorders.

How does it apply to others?

Remember be respectful guys. This is a topic about intellectual discussion.
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This will be a fun topic.
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*popcorn*
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I've always wondered how people cope when your own mind is working against you.

It's like having a broken leg and you can't walk.
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So you're using your experience of not being depressed to argue that depression isn't a real mental illness? Ok... that makes no sense.

its a legitimate mental disorder and anyone who disagrees is flat out wrong
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Both

Theres a lotta people who are depressed. They are often not vocal about it, hide it, etc.

And then there are the ones that fit this bill:
-smoke dope
-eat like shit
-dont exercise
-watch far too much porn
-continuously stay indoors and on the pc, even just to kill time
-never stop complaining about being depressed.

pinkgorilla posted...

So you're using your experience of not being depressed to argue that depression isn't a real mental illness? Ok... that makes no sense.

Yeah I was gonna say the same thing. Dude just answered his own question
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it can be both a temporary response to a life event or a mental disorder, there is plenty of information within a quick google search on this
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pinkgorilla posted...

So you're using your experience of not being depressed to argue that depression isn't a real mental illness? Ok... that makes no sense.

So you're agreeing I wasn't depressed to refute my argument about others possibly not being depressed, that at least, follow the same pattern as me? Only difference is, I am self-aware enough to call out on it.
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Its an actual deterrent in ones ability to enjoy life and function.
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pinkgorilla posted...

So you're using your experience of not being depressed to argue that depression isn't a real mental illness? Ok... that makes no sense.

He's not exactly interested in an honest discussion.
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Are you a shitty person or just a shitty poster?
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OEIO999 posted...

pinkgorilla posted...

So you're using your experience of not being depressed to argue that depression isn't a real mental illness? Ok... that makes no sense.

So you're agreeing I wasn't depressed to refute my argument about others possibly not being depressed, that at least, follow the same pattern as me? Only difference is, I am self-aware enough to call out on it.

You said yourself that you weren't depressed. The basis of the disorder is a chemical imbalance in your brain, it's not a matter of "how people choose to react"
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State of mind imho.
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Jaghave posted...

State of mind imho.

Your opinion is meaningless
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ShutTheF---_Up posted...

OEIO999 posted...

pinkgorilla posted...

So you're using your experience of not being depressed to argue that depression isn't a real mental illness? Ok... that makes no sense.

So you're agreeing I wasn't depressed to refute my argument about others possibly not being depressed, that at least, follow the same pattern as me? Only difference is, I am self-aware enough to call out on it.

You said yourself that you weren't depressed. The basis of the disorder is a chemical imbalance in your brain, it's not a matter of "how people choose to react"

Yes. but that's self-reflection, another person might come along and say, no that's depression, that's the point of i'm making. I could very well have said, no i was depressed, but after looking back at it, i feel that it would be mocking other disorders, if i classify my state as a mental disorder.
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Does one even preclude the other?

OEIO999 posted...

ShutTheF---_Up posted...

OEIO999 posted...

pinkgorilla posted...

So you're using your experience of not being depressed to argue that depression isn't a real mental illness? Ok... that makes no sense.

So you're agreeing I wasn't depressed to refute my argument about others possibly not being depressed, that at least, follow the same pattern as me? Only difference is, I am self-aware enough to call out on it.

You said yourself that you weren't depressed. The basis of the disorder is a chemical imbalance in your brain, it's not a matter of "how people choose to react"

Yes. but that's self-reflection, another person might come along and say, no that's depression, that's the point of i'm making. I could very well have said, no i was depressed, but after looking back at it, i feel that it would be mocking other disorders, if i classify my state as a mental disorder. As such, i classify it as my own weakness to adapt, not something to blame mental disorder on.

You can't diagnose yourself.
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ShutTheF---_Up posted...

OEIO999 posted...

ShutTheF---_Up posted...

OEIO999 posted...

pinkgorilla posted...

So you're using your experience of not being depressed to argue that depression isn't a real mental illness? Ok... that makes no sense.

So you're agreeing I wasn't depressed to refute my argument about others possibly not being depressed, that at least, follow the same pattern as me? Only difference is, I am self-aware enough to call out on it.

You said yourself that you weren't depressed. The basis of the disorder is a chemical imbalance in your brain, it's not a matter of "how people choose to react"

Yes. but that's self-reflection, another person might come along and say, no that's depression, that's the point of i'm making. I could very well have said, no i was depressed, but after looking back at it, i feel that it would be mocking other disorders, if i classify my state as a mental disorder. As such, i classify it as my own weakness to adapt, not something to blame mental disorder on.

You can't diagnose yourself.

Can't doctors or psychologists?
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Its not a disorder
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OEIO999 posted...

ShutTheF---_Up posted...

OEIO999 posted...

ShutTheF---_Up posted...

OEIO999 posted...

pinkgorilla posted...

So you're using your experience of not being depressed to argue that depression isn't a real mental illness? Ok... that makes no sense.

So you're agreeing I wasn't depressed to refute my argument about others possibly not being depressed, that at least, follow the same pattern as me? Only difference is, I am self-aware enough to call out on it.

You said yourself that you weren't depressed. The basis of the disorder is a chemical imbalance in your brain, it's not a matter of "how people choose to react"

Yes. but that's self-reflection, another person might come along and say, no that's depression, that's the point of i'm making. I could very well have said, no i was depressed, but after looking back at it, i feel that it would be mocking other disorders, if i classify my state as a mental disorder. As such, i classify it as my own weakness to adapt, not something to blame mental disorder on.

You can't diagnose yourself.

Can't doctors or psychologists?

Yes.

But you weren't diagnosed by either. So...
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Why does CE have so many terrible polls that refuse to accept that things are almost never an either or situation?
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CanuckCowboy posted...

Why does CE have so many terrible polls that refuse to accept that things are almost never an either or situation?

To get the popcorn flowing.
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OEIO999 posted...

ShutTheF---_Up posted...

OEIO999 posted...

pinkgorilla posted...

So you're using your experience of not being depressed to argue that depression isn't a real mental illness? Ok... that makes no sense.

So you're agreeing I wasn't depressed to refute my argument about others possibly not being depressed, that at least, follow the same pattern as me? Only difference is, I am self-aware enough to call out on it.

You said yourself that you weren't depressed. The basis of the disorder is a chemical imbalance in your brain, it's not a matter of "how people choose to react"

Yes. but that's self-reflection, another person might come along and say, no that's depression, that's the point of i'm making. I could very well have said, no i was depressed, but after looking back at it, i feel that it would be mocking other disorders, if i classify my state as a mental disorder. As such, i classify it as my own weakness to adapt, not something to blame mental disorder on.

You're not making any point man.

"I thought that but now I think this and other people might think differently." that doesn't constitute a point.
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ShutTheF---_Up posted...

OEIO999 posted...

ShutTheF---_Up posted...

OEIO999 posted...

ShutTheF---_Up posted...

OEIO999 posted...

pinkgorilla posted...

So you're using your experience of not being depressed to argue that depression isn't a real mental illness? Ok... that makes no sense.

So you're agreeing I wasn't depressed to refute my argument about others possibly not being depressed, that at least, follow the same pattern as me? Only difference is, I am self-aware enough to call out on it.

You said yourself that you weren't depressed. The basis of the disorder is a chemical imbalance in your brain, it's not a matter of "how people choose to react"

Yes. but that's self-reflection, another person might come along and say, no that's depression, that's the point of i'm making. I could very well have said, no i was depressed, but after looking back at it, i feel that it would be mocking other disorders, if i classify my state as a mental disorder. As such, i classify it as my own weakness to adapt, not something to blame mental disorder on.

You can't diagnose yourself.

Can't doctors or psychologists?

Yes.

But you weren't diagnosed by either. So...

But if i was one, then?
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LightningAce11 posted...

I've always wondered how people cope when your own mind is working against you.

poorly
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Wherethisfeom posted...

OEIO999 posted...

ShutTheF---_Up posted...

OEIO999 posted...

ShutTheF---_Up posted...

OEIO999 posted...

ShutTheF---_Up posted...

You said yourself that you weren't depressed. The basis of the disorder is a chemical imbalance in your brain, it's not a matter of "how people choose to react"

Yes. but that's self-reflection, another person might come along and say, no that's depression, that's the point of i'm making. I could very well have said, no i was depressed, but after looking back at it, i feel that it would be mocking other disorders, if i classify my state as a mental disorder. As such, i classify it as my own weakness to adapt, not something to blame mental disorder on.

You can't diagnose yourself.

Can't doctors or psychologists?

Yes.

But you weren't diagnosed by either. So...

But if i was one, then?

You don't have nearly the amount of intelligence and education to become one.

someone is triggered
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It's all in the mind.

It's like cancer or AIDS. You just have to stop believing you have a problem and you're cured. People who get a disease are just weak minded.
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I think its both
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Well "depressed" is a commonly used word in every day language when we talk about people feeling sad or down.

A major depressive disorder as defined in psychiatry is something else entirely and some theorize that the death of neurons is involved.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3181922/

https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Demystifying_Depression/The_Buildup_to_a_Depression
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TC, its a real thing. I take every step I can to make myself happy. Every single one. And sometimes, there are still days where I just dont want to get out of bed. But I force myself to, because if Im gonna be unhappy I might as well be doing something that might make me happy in the future.

Its definitely real, although I do agree that there are certain steps you can take to lessen its impact.
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It doesn't mean that the person has gone of the deep end or is suffering from some kind of legit brain damage.

It just means that they're not mentally experienced or conditioned in whatever has them down.

Anyway people need to learn to be more apathetic.

Some people might see that as a negative.

But it's better than walking around with your head down all your life.
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Clinical depression is different from 'feeling blue'. The former means that your brain isn't wired right, whereas the latter means you are going through a rough patch. Anyone who equates clinical depression with a period of sadness has clearly never been affected by clinical depression and is being willfully ignorant of the opinions of every credible person in the psychiatric field and the copious amount of research that indicates that clinical depression is 'all in your head'.

Also, saying, "I know that I've felt ... " doesn't mean anything in this context. It's like saying, "One time my arm was sore, so I know that people with broken arms are just exaggerating". The sadness and poor mood are a symptom of the disease, not the only feature of it.

Wherethisfeom posted...

OEIO999 posted...

Wherethisfeom posted...

OEIO999 posted...

ShutTheF---_Up posted...

OEIO999 posted...

ShutTheF---_Up posted...

You can't diagnose yourself.

Can't doctors or psychologists?

Yes.

But you weren't diagnosed by either. So...

But if i was one, then?

You don't have nearly the amount of intelligence and education to become one.

someone is triggered

Yeah, that person is you. I'm literally just stating a fact and you can't handle it.

Nah, definitely you. You seem to think you know what a complete strangers education level is. You're triggered.
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Do you want to know what it's like to suffer from a neurological disorder that's pervasive 24 hours a day?

Get piss ass drunk, and tell me you are as lucid and sober as if you were before you drank.

This is a poison we cannot get rid of.

Motivation takes a huge toll, ever wonder what it feels like to not be able to get out of bed?

Oh yeah.....when you are "sick"....yeah imagine if you are not sick but otherwise physically well.

And realize there is no antidote to your condition. And you become addicted to antidepressants by proxy for 14 years because you'll suffer major withdrawal without them, you've forgotten what it was like without them.
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Flockaveli posted...

Its an actual deterrent in ones ability to enjoy life and function.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anhedonia
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It's a chemical imbalance in the brain.
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Do you know what it is to feel like you are worthless? That no one loves you? Even though the small small voice is saying this is all wrong? But that small small voice of reason gets drowned out. You can only hear the voice saying you're a failure. That life will never get better. That you'll always feel this way.

That same voice saying if life is always going to be awful, that you're a disappointment to your friends and family. Saying that since all of this is true you owe the world to remove yourself.

Have you tried to act normal around your friends and his family that you've never met because you are helping him move to another apartment? And you haven't talked about what youre going through because that voice said they won't understand, or worse will just say to get over it. You and your friend take a break out on his new 3rd floor apartment's deck and instead of being happy to be helping your good friend your mind is saying "just jump". Then it will all be over. No more not sleeping at night because you are stressed. No more getting up every morning and throwing up from the stress and anxiety that is consuming you.

So yeah. It was clearly just all how I was looking at it. Should have just toughed it out.
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It's certainly a legitimate issue but it's often thought of as being weak minded when people who are not even close to actually suffering from depression use it as an excuse.
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there are people who succumb to their depression, twiddle their thumbs and complain about how awful everything is (and pin it on depression), and then there are people who are able to not have their depression take over their entire lives

depression is a legit thing, but how people handle and deal with it is definitely a matter of willpower/mental fortitude. i feel the people who usually treat depression as some kind of an absolute just don't want to let go of their scapegoat and are unwilling to take responsibility of themselves

Kaiganeer posted...

there are people who succumb to their depression, twiddle their thumbs and complain about how awful everything is (and pin it on depression), and then there are people who are able to not have their depression take over their entire lives

depression is a legit thing, but how people handle and deal with it is definitely a matter of willpower/mental fortitude. i feel the people who usually treat depression as some kind of an absolute just don't want to let go of their scapegoat and are unwilling to take responsibility of themselves

I do agree with this. I am actively fighting against my depression every day. I make a point to hang with friends, even when I'm having a day where I'd rather just hibernate and not talk to anyone. I try to eat healthier. I try to spend more time outside getting sunshine and fresh air.
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Wherethisfeom posted...

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It's pretty obvious from this topic that you know nothing about medicine.
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haha triggered
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