Current Events > Is Depression a state of mind/weakness or legitimate mental disorder?

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Wherethisfeom posted...

OEIO999 posted...

why am I so triggered?

That's a good question. Probably due to your latent anger issues

why do you keep feeding the tc
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edededdy posted...

Wherethisfeom posted...

OEIO999 posted...

why am I so triggered?

That's a good question. Probably due to your latent anger issues

why do you keep feeding the tc

hes gone past fucked up and kept going.

all i know is there are at least 26 other well educated people in this board. At least according to that guy, i can tell their education level just based of their actions here.
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so tell me tc you dont think depression is a mental illness? why not?
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edededdy posted...

so tell me tc you dont think depression is a mental illness? why not?

already said it
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OEIO999 posted...

edededdy posted...

so tell me tc you dont think depression is a mental illness? why not?

already said it

Can you please clarify, I know for me it's all sort of lost in the fight that went on here.

Dash_Harber posted...

OEIO999 posted...

edededdy posted...

so tell me tc you dont think depression is a mental illness? why not?

already said it

Can you please clarify, I know for me it's all sort of lost in the fight that went on here.

this. Id appreciate a recap of your thoughts cause Id rather not wade through the rest of the topic thanks
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nice imagination

triggered
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OEIO999 posted...

triggered

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y ru so triggered
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OEIO999 posted...

y ru so triggered

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OEIO999 posted...

OEIO999 posted...

y ru so triggered

lol
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Wherethisfeom posted...

im triggered for lyfe

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I like jumping into internet fights towards the end. Shit just devolves to nothing about the original discussion.
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OEIO999 posted...

Wherethisfeom posted...

im triggered for lyfe

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Master Kazuya posted...

I like jumping into internet fights towards the end. Shit just devolves to nothing about the original discussion.

To 500!
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OEIO999 posted...

OEIO999 posted...

Wherethisfeom posted...

im triggered for lyfe

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Wherethisfeom posted...

im triggered for lyfe

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OEIO999 posted...

Master Kazuya posted...

I like jumping into internet fights towards the end. Shit just devolves to nothing about the original discussion.

To 500!

is that how many you want dead?

ehhwhatever posted...

OEIO999 posted...

Master Kazuya posted...

I like jumping into internet fights towards the end. Shit just devolves to nothing about the original discussion.

To 500!

is that how many you want dead?

You said it not me
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Okay, you can't state your opinion. You are just trolling. Good luck with that.

Well, millenials have redefined the term. You used to be able to say you were depressed about something, but that's no longer the case. Depression is now something that just kinda happens randomly. If something in your life is severely bothering you, you can say you're sad, but not depressed.
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Situational depression is different from clinical depression. The latter is not caused by events in one's life; it is a state of the brain. Situational depression is temporary and rarely a cause for concern.
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An important thing to remember is that everything is physical/chemical, including any sort of mental trouble.

Its a serious thing.
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Dragonblade01 posted...

An important thing to remember is that everything is physical/chemical, including any sort of mental trouble.

You can trace back society's weird compartmentalization of mental phenomena being outside physical phenomena all the way back to Rene Descartes and his idea of mind-body dualism. Despite philosophy and modern science having moved beyond these ideas, it's still an incessant virus of thought in society.

TC, you're likely not going to want to listen to me. I'm a year away from my medical doctorate. This "controversy" isn't remotely in the realm of a legitimate debate and your contrarian opinion doesn't constitute "intelligent discussion." Mood disorders as a whole are very well established phenomenon as clinical entities. A syndrome doesn't necessarily need to have a "physical" base in the sense that symptoms are subjective and the experience of them can cause distress, all of which are relevant and significant. And plenty of "organic disease" in terms of syndromes do not have a well-established pathophysiologic basis, but that does not discredit them as clinical entities either (irritable bowel syndrome, fibromyalgia, etc).

Whether or not you consider mood disorders physical syndromes (it is, but it would take a thesis to try and convince someone so entrenched in your opinion) is irrelevant because the practice of psychiatry is founded on the idea of harmful dysfunction. So someone even in your case of a weakness of character is still experiencing distress, which can be treated, and therefore legitimizes it. That's the Devil's advocate argument, but really there is plenty of established evidence in neurotransmitter dysfunction, dysregulation of the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal axis, and chronic inflammatory states linked with mood disorders. Nothing quite ready to be applied in clinical practice as of yet, but well established in academic research and will be a matter of time.
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Also talking about "depression" is a surefire way to highlight your layman's understanding of mood disorders. "Depression" doesn't mean anything. Major Depressive Disorder is different from Dysthymia, which is different from Bipolar I and II and Cyclothymia.

They're very well-characterized and specific criteria for diagnosis, but also follow a pretty predictable course and treatment response.

Also, if we're talking what I presume to be Major Depressive Disorder, a lot of the symptoms go beyond a depressed or sad mood, which are all physical symptoms. These can include changes in appetite, sleep disturbance, lack of interest or anhedonia, excessive guilt, low energy/fatigue, sluggishness in motor function and speech, lack of concentration, and suicidal ideation.
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The internet can be a breeding ground for an echo chamber of bad experiences. Antidepressants get a bad reputation because a variety of reasons can impede proper treatment. Some primary care physicians are not knowledgeable about the disease process and prescribe something like an SSRI without letting a patient know it can take 6+ weeks to even take effect. I've met patients who think it's like a benzodiazepine where a single pill is supposed to mellow them out. This isn't how it works, but I'm not surprised they think the pills do nothing.

Also, it's difficult to predict who will receive side effects because there are a variety of liver enzymes involved in the metabolism and everyone is a little different. The field of genetics is advancing rapidly and there are already tests that can determine who will likely benefit from which SSRI, but these are expensive and not covered by insurance so there isn't much use of them in the clinical world at this time. So unfortunately there is a bit of trial and error in titrating the right dose that works for a patient while also minimizing side effects. This requires a good therapeutic alliance between physician and patient and this isn't always the case.
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But if you're still not a believer TC, go ahead and put your money where your mouth is. Go and try and shadow a psychiatrist at your local county hospital. Get some exposure to truly sick patients. Even better if you go more than once and get the opportunity to follow a patient's course in an inpatient environment. You'll see a change in affect from an outsider's perspective from not being on treatment vs being on treatment. It's a pretty astonishing difference. You'll also observe the sicker patients tend to have very poor insight into their own illness. They will claim nothing is wrong and that they don't need the medication. But watch and see how far off the rail a truly manic bipolar patient can go versus how much more capable they are of controlling their life while on a mood stabilizer, for example.

It's one of those things you just have to see for yourself, but unfortunately a lot of people remain ignorant about mental health as a whole. So many myths.

Either way, most likely you're just trolling so this massive rant is more for the benefit of a genuine reader who may stumble across. Psychiatry is way more advanced than random people on the internet give it credit for.
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And lastly, one thing that really bugs me about mood disorders is when people try and claim "just be more positive--go exercise more. Don't sleep in so much."

These are suggested with good intentions but are ignorant to the disease process. One's inability to do those things isn't really a choice. They are symptoms of the disease, not the treatment. One requires medication and/or cognitive behavioral therapy to bring someone into a state to make those changes in lifestyle and habit, which can then go on to improve life.

There is no "happiness" pill. Antidepressants simply remove the metaphorical "weights" holding someone down from doing the things they once enjoyed, and engaging in healthy habits rather than default into social withdrawal and inactivity. That person, under medication, still needs to go out and do the things that give their life meaning. Simply taking the pills won't magically make things better. Just gives you a "fighting chance" so to speak, because the reason people fall into these "character flaws" as some people perceive them to be, is because that is necessarily how the disease manifests.

Telling a person with a mood disorder to go exercise more is like telling a type 1 diabetic they should just make insulin. Simple!
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BlameAnesthesia posted...

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TC, you're likely not going to want to listen to me.

Well at least we are on the same page about that.
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OEIO999 posted...

BlameAnesthesia posted...

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TC, you're likely not going to want to listen to me.

Well at least we are on the same page about that.

Not doing it for your sake. It's more to clear the air to the other readers who aren't obviously trolling.
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BlameAnesthesia posted...

OEIO999 posted...

BlameAnesthesia posted...

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TC, you're likely not going to want to listen to me.

Well at least we are on the same page about that.

Not doing it for your sake. It's more to clear the air to the other readers who aren't obviously trolling.

I have no idea what you're talking about, I would never troll. Unlike you sir, i value the opinion of my fellow CEmen.
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this dumpster fire is still going on
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Depression =/= sadness
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There's a difference between "feeling depressed", i.e. low, unmotivated, apathetic; and real genuine clinical depression.
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I honest to goodness think that in some cases, it can be a little from column A, and a little from column B.
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hockeybub89 posted...

Depression =/= sadness

Yeah, it sucks now that I can only say I'm feeling sad. Feels like it trivializes me and how things are affecting me.
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chill02 posted...

this dumpster fire is still going on

Yep.
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OEIO999 posted...

BlameAnesthesia posted...

OEIO999 posted...

BlameAnesthesia posted...

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TC, you're likely not going to want to listen to me.

Well at least we are on the same page about that.

Not doing it for your sake. It's more to clear the air to the other readers who aren't obviously trolling.

I have no idea what you're talking about, I would never troll. Unlike you sir, i value the opinion of my fellow CEmen.

What is the proof that you "value the opinion of your fellow CEmen"?