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LinkPizza posted...

When did avocado become a big thing?

Avocado is nutritious and is a large source of fat so stops vegans starving and it's basically a staple for keto as it's energy is almost exclusively fat.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

LinkPizza posted...

When did avocado become a big thing?

Avocado is nutritious and is a large source of fat so stops vegans starving and it's basically a staple for keto as it's energy is almost exclusively fat.

Right before I read this, someone was telling me about that. The keto and fat part. I don't know much about the keto diet. But I usually don't pay attention to the fad diets... or diets in general...
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LinkPizza posted...

When did avocado become a big thing?

It's been a major crop for Mexico and California since my childhood. They were always in my home, whole or guacamole. It's only "trendy" now since the fast food brainwashing is wearing off.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

LinkPizza posted...

When did avocado become a big thing?

It's been a major crop for Mexico and California since my childhood. They were always in my home, whole or guacamole. It's only "trendy" now since the fast food brainwashing is wearing off.

It just suddenly became the go to food out of nowhere suddenly. And I'm not sure what you mean by fast food brainwashing...
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LinkPizza posted...

And I'm not sure what you mean by fast food brainwashing...

The fallacy that it's healthy and that it's safe to feed a nation with it.
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LinkPizza posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

LinkPizza posted...

When did avocado become a big thing?

It's been a major crop for Mexico and California since my childhood. They were always in my home, whole or guacamole. It's only "trendy" now since the fast food brainwashing is wearing off.

It just suddenly became the go to food out of nowhere suddenly. And I'm not sure what you mean by fast food brainwashing...

Nah my dad had avocado in the house all the time growing up. It got more popular in recent years but so have all the foods. People want to try new things.

I mash up half of one in a skin with lime juice, pepper, salt, and a little miso paste. Spread it on toast. Add other sliced vegetables ( or cheese or whatever) and sprinkle on the hot sauce. So good
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LinkPizza posted...

What is the deal with avocado toast? I've never liked avocado. When did avocado become a big thing? Also, I not really sure if it's just a millennial things. Most millennial I know in real life don't like avocado. Or the toast they always seem to make with it. I honestly thought it was a myth or joke. But, then again, I always thought an underwater basket weaver degree was a joke, too. So...

http://time.com/money/4778942/avocados-millennials-home-buying/

People thought it was stupid.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

LinkPizza posted...

And I'm not sure what you mean by fast food brainwashing...

The fallacy that it's healthy and that it's safe to feed a nation with it.

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LinkPizza posted...

I don't know much about the keto diet. But I usually don't pay attention to the fad diets.

It's been pretty well established for years as a very successful diet but if done aggressively (i.e. fasting to trigger ketosis) then stupid people end up harming themselves.

The principles are minimising carb intake as carbs provide energy in a way not beneficial to an inactive lifestyle and triggers hunger earlier. Fat is used instead to produce slow, long energy release which leads to delaying and softening hunger. Primarily though, as the name suggests, low/no carb intake leads to ketosis which is where your body produces ketones to produce energy like sugars do, meaning you get energy without a sugar rush.
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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5452247/

Ketogenic diet is useful for short term weight loss for the morbidly obese. It is highly effective at causing people to regain more fat than muscle. It's great for putting on abdominal adipose tissue and getting non alcoholic fatty liver disease. It is not useful for a healthy long term diet. The effects of it need more study. Yet it's clear from examining current research in human and animal models that it's not currently--and still may never be--promoted as a safe long term diet option for most people.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

LinkPizza posted...

And I'm not sure what you mean by fast food brainwashing...

The fallacy that it's healthy and that it's safe to feed a nation with it.

I never saw it as healthy. I pretty much saw it as food when I would haven't have time to cook. Or didn't feel like it, but also didn't want to spend a lot on dining out.

shadowsword87 posted...

LinkPizza posted...

What is the deal with avocado toast? I've never liked avocado. When did avocado become a big thing? Also, I not really sure if it's just a millennial things. Most millennial I know in real life don't like avocado. Or the toast they always seem to make with it. I honestly thought it was a myth or joke. But, then again, I always thought an underwater basket weaver degree was a joke, too. So...

http://time.com/money/4778942/avocados-millennials-home-buying/

People thought it was stupid.

That seems kind of expensive. $19? But I can't read the rest of the article since I'm at work. I feel like this isn't really a millennial thing, though... I mean, based on the timeline, it seems so. But then why do most millennials not really like avocado, or know what avocado toast is...

Kyuubi4269 posted...

LinkPizza posted...

I don't know much about the keto diet. But I usually don't pay attention to the fad diets.

It's been pretty well established for years as a very successful diet but if done aggressively (i.e. fasting to trigger ketosis) then stupid people end up harming themselves.

The principles are minimising carb intake as carbs provide energy in a way not beneficial to an inactive lifestyle and triggers hunger earlier. Fat is used instead to produce slow, long energy release which leads to delaying and softening hunger. Primarily though, as the name suggests, low/no carb intake leads to ketosis which is where your body produces ketones to produce energy like sugars do, meaning you get energy without a sugar rush.

Idk. I don't diet or use diets. I guess if it works for some people...
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LinkPizza posted...

That seems kind of expensive. $19? But I can't read the rest of the article since I'm at work. I feel like this isn't really a millennial thing, though... I mean, based on the timeline, it seems so. But then why do most millennials not really like avocado, or know what avocado toast is...

You can ask Foxx because she lives in the vast wilderness of the unexplored north and wouldn't be able to get it cheaply, but it's not over $5 for an avocado and it's less than $2 for a loaf of bread.

It's a lie that someone made up to explain why millennials aren't buying houses.
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shadowsword87 posted...

LinkPizza posted...

That seems kind of expensive. $19? But I can't read the rest of the article since I'm at work. I feel like this isn't really a millennial thing, though... I mean, based on the timeline, it seems so. But then why do most millennials not really like avocado, or know what avocado toast is...

You can ask Foxx because she lives in the vast wilderness of the unexplored north and wouldn't be able to get it cheaply, but it's not over $5 for an avocado and it's less than $2 for a loaf of bread.

It's a lie that someone made up to explain why millennials aren't buying houses.

At restaurants it can be really stupidly expensive. What people don't realize is that if you like avocado toast you make it at home.

It's just a random thing older generations point to in order to criticize millennials and how they shipped money. Clearly it's all that avocado toast and coffee making us broke, the economy is in tip top shape...

It wasn't until those articles that I realized how good avocado on toast is

My avocado was 1.39 and the loaf of bread was 4.25 or something. Bread is pricy these days I might go back to baking my own
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i like my steak well done
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magemaximus posted...

i like my steak well done

You bring shame to meat eaters and those poor cattle
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mastermix3000 posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

LinkPizza posted...

And I'm not sure what you mean by fast food brainwashing...

The fallacy that it's healthy and that it's safe to feed a nation with it.

Don't eat soylent green!
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SunWuKung420 posted...

LinkPizza posted...

And I'm not sure what you mean by fast food brainwashing...

The fallacy that it's healthy and that it's safe to feed a nation with it.

There is a fallacy, but that's not it. No one thinks fast food is healthy. The fallacy is how fast food is demonized as a special kind of evil, as opposed to just one of many things you can eat that isn't good for you.
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Golden Road posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

LinkPizza posted...

And I'm not sure what you mean by fast food brainwashing...

The fallacy that it's healthy and that it's safe to feed a nation with it.

There is a fallacy, but that's not it. No one thinks fast food is healthy. The fallacy is how fast food is demonized as a special kind of evil, as opposed to just one of many things you can eat that isn't good for you.

How old are you? Trust me. All manner of fast foods, from canned goods to premixed cake mixes, from McDonald's to stouffers frozen dinners, all crap designed to get you to eat what is fed to you.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

Golden Road posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

LinkPizza posted...

And I'm not sure what you mean by fast food brainwashing...

The fallacy that it's healthy and that it's safe to feed a nation with it.

There is a fallacy, but that's not it. No one thinks fast food is healthy. The fallacy is how fast food is demonized as a special kind of evil, as opposed to just one of many things you can eat that isn't good for you.

How old are you? Trust me. All manner of fast foods, from canned goods to premixed cake mixes, from McDonald's to stouffers frozen dinners, all crap designed to get you to eat what is fed to you.

I think what's he's trying to say is that nobody believes most of the food we eat at fast food places are healthy. And most people already know that. Just because we eat there when we have limited options doesn't mean we think it's healthy. Especially since sometimes, people aren't trying to eat healthy. His version of fast food fallacy seems to make more sense than yours. Because, as stated, most people already knew fast food wasn't healthy. We just had our reasons for eating it.
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SunWuKung420 posted...

Golden Road posted...

SunWuKung420 posted...

LinkPizza posted...

And I'm not sure what you mean by fast food brainwashing...

The fallacy that it's healthy and that it's safe to feed a nation with it.

There is a fallacy, but that's not it. No one thinks fast food is healthy. The fallacy is how fast food is demonized as a special kind of evil, as opposed to just one of many things you can eat that isn't good for you.

How old are you? Trust me. All manner of fast foods, from canned goods to premixed cake mixes, from McDonald's to stouffers frozen dinners, all crap designed to get you to eat what is fed to you.

When people say "fast food," you know what they mean. They are not talking about all of that. They're talking about fast food. That's all called junk food, or the scary-sounding "processed" food when they want to make processed food sound evil for whatever reason.

And you're wrong... ish. The cake mix is the most obvious example there. Yeah, it's not healthy, but neither are cakes made from scratch. And that's another thing a lot of people seem to forget: homemade does not necessarily mean healthy.

There's a strange but common line of thinking that, were fast food to disappear tomorrow, that people would start eating healthier. French fries don't become healthy just because you cut up your own potato at home rather than ordering them from McDonald's. Maybe some people would start eating healthy, but most people would just start eating different food that was still bad for them.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

magemaximus posted...

i like my steak well done

You bring shame to meat eaters and those poor cattle

why should the cattle have money in the 1st place? bovine university doesn't pay well
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Doctor Foxx posted...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5452247/

Ketogenic diet is useful for short term weight loss for the morbidly obese. It is highly effective at causing people to regain more fat than muscle. It's great for putting on abdominal adipose tissue and getting non alcoholic fatty liver disease. It is not useful for a healthy long term diet. The effects of it need more study. Yet it's clear from examining current research in human and animal models that it's not currently--and still may never be--promoted as a safe long term diet option for most people.

This rather perfectly notes how you know nothing of what you say.

As a long term keto dieter, I can tell you that muscle gain is no issue (what with the increased protein intake) and that keto has been used to treat the onset non-fatty liver disease. In fact, keto basically demands no fructose which is the main cause of non-fatty liver disease. Vegetablist diets however encourage consumption of carbs which overload the liver and bring about non-fatty liver disease.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

Doctor Foxx posted...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5452247/

Ketogenic diet is useful for short term weight loss for the morbidly obese. It is highly effective at causing people to regain more fat than muscle. It's great for putting on abdominal adipose tissue and getting non alcoholic fatty liver disease. It is not useful for a healthy long term diet. The effects of it need more study. Yet it's clear from examining current research in human and animal models that it's not currently--and still may never be--promoted as a safe long term diet option for most people.

This rather perfectly notes how you know nothing of what you say.

As a long term keto dieter, I can tell you that muscle gain is no issue (what with the increased protein intake) and that keto has been used to treat the onset non-fatty liver disease. In fact, keto basically demands no fructose which is the main cause of non-fatty liver disease. Vegetablist diets however encourage consumption of carbs which overload the liver and bring about non-fatty liver disease.

Read the damn article and how it discusses KD causing NAFLD long term as well as muscle wastage maybe you'll learn something though I will never hold my breath for that
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Doctor Foxx posted...

Read the damn article and how it discusses KD causing NAFLD long term as well as muscle wastage maybe you'll learn something though I will never hold my breath for that

On the contrary, a study described that compared to other diets (Western diet, standard chow), KD-fed mice display reduced ALT levels, hepatic triglyceride accumulation and markers of liver inflammation [29].

In humans, liver fat content was shown to be increased during an isocaloric high-fat low-carbohydrate diet [56]. This result should be analyzed with caution, as with 31% of carbohydrates the diet is not a real KD.

This is important as KD is 5% or lower, typically no more than 20g carbs.

When fed a KD, subjects with PNPLA3 variants had a lower liver fat content than controls.

a recent study reported that mice fed a KD during 6 weeks had lower total cholesterol and triglycerides levels than with other diets [29]. The authors suggested that there was a KD-induced reduction in insulin levels, which further decreased liver fatty acids and cholesterol biosynthesis pathways

Your "proof" spits in your face.
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Kyuubi4269 posted...

This is important as KD is 5% or lower, typically no more than 20g carbs.

That's an extremely low figure for induction. As people go on keto long term they do not keep it at 20 grams. It's not possible to even get the dietary fiber you need like that...

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4621466/

Regardless of weight loss, restriction and modulation of dietary carbohydrate (e.g., restriction of simple carbohydrate and high glycemic carbohydrate) and fat (e.g., restriction of total and saturated fat and increase in MUFAs and n-3 PUFAs) seem to improve metabolic parameters such as IR, decrease the liver enzymes levels and/or reduce the grade of steatosis in NAFLD patients. Contrary, weight loss, independently of restriction of carbohydrate or fat improves the liver parameters. Therefore, in some studies, the effects of the restriction of one macronutrient per se could have been confused with the effects of a restriction of energy from the diet. Finally, data demonstrating improvement in liver histology associated with different dietary approaches are scarce. In this context, long-term studies are needed to elucidate the detailed dietary approach of NAFLD, before getting to clinical practice.

Basically losing weight improves fatty liver. Most people on keto experience more rapid weight loss initially. Most also go back to gain more than they lost as they get off of ketogenic diet or stop paying attention to macros.
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Doctor Foxx posted...

That's an extremely low figure for induction. As people go on keto long term they do not keep it at 20 grams. It's not possible to even get the dietary fiber you need like that...

Firstly, dietary fibre doesn't get digested so it doesn't "count", and secondly, you don't need GDA dietary fibre when you don't consume vast amount of product you can't process.

Failure to keep carbs low is failing at the diet, I personally stick to low/no carbs as it makes me feel better.

Doctor Foxx posted...

Basically losing weight improves fatty liver. Most people on keto experience more rapid weight loss initially. Most also go back to gain more than they lost as they get off of ketogenic diet or stop paying attention to macros.

No shit you lose fat when you don't consume as much, but the rapid weight loss is due to particularly targetting unloading the liver which your quote doesn't deny.

To continue slapping down your persistent bad faith arguing, stopping dieting leads to excessively regained fat in most people as they dump unexpected load on their body so the body responds to excess energy with fat production. This is not unique to keto and you know it yet you still talk such shit.
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