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1>4>3>RB>2>Creed>5

Rocky fml.
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1 > 3 > 4 > 2 > Creed >>> Balboa >>> 5

I go back and forth on 3 and 4 but dat bromance in 3 tho.
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Whats the one with hulk gogan?
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4>1>2=3>balboa>creed>5
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JxOxNxIxCxS posted...

Whats the one with hulk gogan?

3 I believe
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I've only seen one and Creed.

Creed > Rocky 1
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1>2>all the rest are terribad
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JxOxNxIxCxS posted...

Whats the one with hulk gogan?

That's Thunderlips to you brother. And it's 3.

boxington posted...

I've only seen one and Creed.

Creed > Rocky 1

How dare you sir.

indica posted...

1>2>all the rest are terribad

Even Creed? That one at least went back to trying to be serious and not cheesy.
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1>4>creed>balboa>3>2>5

2 is boring as fuck
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Creed
1-I like that he didn't win.
3-Why didn't Mr. T get a rematch?
5-Rocky was holding Tommy Gun down.
2

4-Damn Robot, Rocky kills his best friend, and the after that we fucking Paulie trying to fuck a robot.
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idk, I feel that Creed is better written, plus Rocky came off as a creep in Rocky.
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4 > 1 = 2 > 3 > Creed > Balboa > 5
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4>2>3>1>Balboa>Creed>5

I rank 2 so high because I like Apollo dramatically more than Rocky. It has a lot more of his existential crisis going on it than the others.
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boxington posted...

idk, I feel that Creed is better written, plus Rocky came off as a creep in Rocky.

He was a creep. It was a great character study. Even better since he lost at the end.
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1, Creed, Balboa, 4, 2, 3, 5
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1 > 4 > 3 = 2 > Creed > Balboa > 5
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1 is tops. Just an amazing movie about an underdog giving all he's got.

Creed is 1 with another character but Jordan is a fantastic actor, so it takes 2nd spot for me.

Next is Balboa, it requires some suspension of disbelief considering how old Rocky is but Stallone is at the top of his acting game in this one and the final match against Dixon is awesome.

3 takes 4th for me simply because I really enjoyed Mr. T as Clubber Lang, and if he wasn't such an unlikable dick he'd be the person we root for. I like the role reversal where Rocky is the top dog this time around, and I like that they decided not to drag out the last fight and have it end in the 3rd round. And we also see the death of one of the most important people in Rocky's life.

4 is next, it's an enjoyable movie to me but it's not as good as the others with the exception of 5. Drago is wonderfully intimidating bad guy.

5 is dead last imo.

It's been forever since I've seen 2 so I will abstain from placing it.
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indica posted...

boxington posted...

idk, I feel that Creed is better written, plus Rocky came off as a creep in Rocky.

He was a creep. It was a great character study. Even better since he lost at the end.

I dunno, I still wasn't feeling it that much.

I should watch the rest of the series to put it all in context, I guess.
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boxington posted...

idk, I feel that Creed is better written, plus Rocky came off as a creep in Rocky.

That's what was good about the movie. Rocky was a weird and interesting character that on the surface was very simple but actually had a lot of depth, good and bad.
Creed was a pretty straightforward movie as far as characters go, the most unique character was the chick who was going deaf. Other than that he was pretty by the book what you'd expect his character to be, Rocky was just Rocky, his opponent was just another arrogant "I'm the best there is!!!" type of guy who gained respect for him after he beat him with no actual development to lead up to that.
The first did that so much better and Rocky wasn't a perfect person, but he was still an underdog, and he gave it all he got, and ultimately lost while having a sort of personal victory. Same thing with having supporting characters like Paulie who was a terrible person and unfortunately very real feeling, but he wasn't 100% bad either. Adrian was a good character as well.
Everyone was layered, in situations both good and bad and you can understand multiple sides to all of the characters.

I dunno, thought Creed was great, but I feel like the original is just something else. But hey man that's how opinions work, not saying you're wrong for thinking that or anything, just sharing my thoughts on the two.
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4 > 1 > 3 > 2 > dog shit > the rest
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Gamer99z posted...

boxington posted...

idk, I feel that Creed is better written, plus Rocky came off as a creep in Rocky.

That's what was good about the movie. Rocky was a weird and interesting character that on the surface was very simple but actually had a lot of depth, good and bad.
Creed was a pretty straightforward movie as far as characters go, the most unique character was the chick who was going deaf. Other than that he was pretty by the book what you'd expect his character to be, Rocky was just Rocky, his opponent was just another arrogant "I'm the best there is!!!" type of guy who gained respect for him after he beat him with no actual development to lead up to that.
The first did that so much better and Rocky wasn't a perfect person, but he was still an underdog, and he gave it all he got, and ultimately lost while having a sort of personal victory. Same thing with having supporting characters like Paulie who was a terrible person and unfortunately very real feeling, but he wasn't 100% bad either. Adrian was a good character as well.
Everyone was layered, in situations both good and bad and you can understand multiple sides to all of the characters.

I dunno, thought Creed was great, but I feel like the original is just something else. But hey man that's how opinions work, not saying you're wrong for thinking that or anything, just sharing my thoughts on the two.

Couldn't sum it up better myself.
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Gamer99z posted...

I dunno, thought Creed was great, but I feel like the original is just something else. But hey man that's how opinions work, not saying you're wrong for thinking that or anything, just sharing my thoughts on the two.

Creed is pretty just Rocky 1 with an actual budget.

...and a cancer subplot

Questionmarktarius posted...

Gamer99z posted...

I dunno, thought Creed was great, but I feel like the original is just something else. But hey man that's how opinions work, not saying you're wrong for thinking that or anything, just sharing my thoughts on the two.

Creed is pretty much just Rocky 1 with an actual budget.

While there are parallels, not really.
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PiOverlord posted...

While there are parallels, not really.

Yeah, okay.
Shittons of money did help, though.

It's an obvious reboot+continuation, passing the torch and giving an easy out for Rocky in the next one or next next one.

3 > 1 > 4 > 2> Creed > RB > 5
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What the fuck was even the point of Rocky 5?

Questionmarktarius posted...

What the fuck was even the point of Rocky 5?

I dunno but the street fight at the end was pretty cool at least.
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1 > 4 > the rest
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Creed >>> Rocky 1 > Rocky 2 > Balboa > Rocky 4 > Rocky 3 > Rocky 5
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SpiralDrift posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

What the fuck was even the point of Rocky 5?

I dunno but the street fight at the end was pretty cool at least.

"sue me for what?"

I just hope Creed 2 is good and Rocky does not die until a possible Creed 3 or 4.

Donny needs a mentor and everyone loves seeing Rocky teach his bros son. Apollo would be proud of the kid.
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Offworlder1 posted...

I just hope Creed 2 is good and Rocky does not die until a possible Creed 3 or 4.

He better not, but the opening is always there.

Somewhere in the Creed franchise, Clubber Lang needs to show up. Maybe even Ivan Drago.

Creed 2 is Donny fighting Dragos son, they are making the 2nd Creed real personal for the kid, Donny has every right to have a serious bone to pick with Drago.

@Questionmarktarius
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SpiralDrift posted...

Questionmarktarius posted...

What the fuck was even the point of Rocky 5?

I dunno but the street fight at the end was pretty cool at least.

That Mickey flashback when the train is passing by <3
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4>3>1>2>those other ones
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Offworlder1 posted...

Creed 2 is Donny fighting Dragos son, they are making the 2nd Creed real personal for the kid, Donny has every right to have a serious bone to pick with Drago.

@Questionmarktarius

Wait, really?

Look up any info for Creed 2, thats how I found out, kinda excited they are going that direction. Looking forward to seeing Drago on screen again, him and Clubber were great rivals after Apollo.

@Questionmarktarius
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1 > 2 > Creed > RB = 4 > 3 > 5
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Questionmarktarius posted...

I disagree other than in the most vague sense. That it's ultimately an underdog story of someone who's troubled against all odds getting a chance at a fight the really had no place in being in to begin with, and after the fight they sort of earned the respect for that person.

But they did a lot of things very differently. For starters, while Rocky comes off as a basic character and a lot of people don't even see it as Stallone acting but just being Stallone like he is in other movies, but he really doesn't get enough credit for his acting and character there. It really is as much of a character study as it is an underdog story. Him waking up in his shithole apartment, going through his routine, or times he stand and just kinda glances over everything without saying anything conveys a lot. He subtly, without any blatant exposition is conveying loneliness, realizing that's all he has, that even though he has greetings for people around town and will exchange words he really doesn't have anything in the way of friends or family, he has his shitty apartment, and that's really it. He's also shown as "slow" and socially awkward, be it from lack of education, a mental handicap, or even at times social disorders like Asperger's or something else are somewhat implied with his social interactions, body language, and mannerisms when he's speaking with Adrian at the pet store. The whole "person keeps nagging until you agree to go out with them" trope is there but they do it in a very different way than it's generally done. Doesn't mean he's not still being a creep by doing it but he also seems to genuinely not understand social norms. The "shy girl" trope but again they went deeper with it than traditional by going all the way with showing the Thanksgiving scene when Paulie wants her to go out with him, one of the most real and gutteral scenes in the franchise. Which then you have Paulie who they dial back to be more of a likeable asshole in the sequels but in the first he was an abusive, controlling, serious alcoholic. Rocky is never painted as a beacon of morality either, he knows how Paulie is and does nothing. And Paulie isn't painted as a beacon of evil either, just a troubled man and he does try to do some good and help when he can, even when he's being abusive and trying to force her to go out it's like in his own fucked up very misguided way he thinks he's helping her by doing that because she's so shy. It's like that asshole dad that because you don't know how to swim and you don't want to get in he just pushes your ass in like "get over it and figure it out" it's objectively wrong, but the intent there isn't to be a dick, in your own fucked up way you think you're helping. He helped give Rocky somewhere to train when he needed it, well the best place be could offer, and there's other moments of good acts and just being an asshole in a non malicious way and not hurting anything.
There's a lot of information the movie doesn't give you, you feel like you're starting at a specific chapter already part way through the story. They could've explained through flashbacks and exposition why Rocky has no family, no friends, is socially awkward and slow, how he ended up in the situation he's in, doing mob work on the side, shown other bad things he likely did before the start of the movie, why Paulie is an alcoholic who turned out the way he did, etc. But they chose to leave it up for interpretation, and it was done well where you don't feel like you were missing anything and have layered characters to think about.
When he and Apollo fight, it's over, they're both completely fucked up after giving it everything they each bad and the lines "ain't gonna be no rematch" and "don't want one" are spoken, it's immediately satisfying for a variety of reasons.

[1/2]
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While with Creed I feel like the movie felt the need to be more direct with things and motivations or lack there of. Immediately starting off with the troubled youth "he was born to fight, it's just who he is" trope but not really subverting it or doing anything unique with it, they just kinda roll with that as the reason he wants to fight. His "mom" being against it, when she was also the only one that delivered a real gutteral scene for me and that's when she was saying why she doesn't want him fighting, how she had to take care of Apollo, saying how many times she had to carry him up the stairs because he couldn't walk or wipe his ass because he couldn't use his hands. But otherwise they don't do anything interesting with that he's just like "well I'm gonna fight anyways."
Then getting Rocky to train him basically comes down to "train me" "no" "train me" "no, I don't do that anymore" "I'm Apollo Creed's son" "no way! okay I guess I'll train you" with Rocky being a shell of his former character and not nearly as interesting as Mickey was.
Then the trope of "I hate my dad because he wasn't around, I just wanted a dad!" drags on for a bit until he let's it out once then it just kinda was nothing. The "trying to discredit you by blaming you for only being there out of legacy, money, etc." trope is totally meaningless really, just fodder to try to stir up some faux rage and add drama or something.
The cancer subplot is fucking dumb and a waste of time really "if I'm going to fight, so are you" just felt like such a forced way to try to provoke emotion by seeing someone deal with cancer since pretty much everyone is related to or knows someone who's been affected by cancer. And again they don't really do anything interesting with that trope it's back to being like "get treatment" "no" "get treatment" "don't want to" "then I'm mad" "okay I'll get treatment" *cue cancer treatment montage* then everything is fine. It felt shoehorned in to me.
Then the antagonist, he's just nothing, no personality, no motivations, no anything. He's just a massive arrogant asshole, inside the ring and out, totally black and white bad guy with no redeeming or interesting qualities. I think Drago in Rocky 4 had a more interesting personality in than him and he says like a couple lines in the entire movie. Then after it's over, the antagonist out of nowhere pulls a 180 and is just like "you're cool man" even though all the way up to that not only did he have him, he hated everyone, he was just an asshole in and out of the ring had pending legal troubles and shit. It makes no sense for that dude to get beat once and immediately be like "you're the future of boxing, I respect you" if anything with how they presented him as a loose cannon he should've been shit talking him and still trying to fight him after it had ended unless maybe he accidentally brain damaged the part of the dude that was an arrogant douche >_>
It'd be one thing if they went for the angle that at the press stuff he was just playing it up for TV but wasn't serious, but they clearly establish that's not something in his character at all.
And the fact that they felt the need for the antagonist to say that directly to begin with is way weaker than how it was handled with Apollo imo because it was more subtle about things when he's saying "ain't gonna be no rematch" he's still working his ego like "I won, we're not doing this again" and the statement, intentionally or not, simultaneously acknowledging his respect for him as a fighter because for the first time in his professional career someone actually was going toe to toe with him and took him all the way and he's not doing it again because he gave everything he had.
Creed is just a bit more black and white all around.

I still really enjoyed it tho
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Annoying character limit, had plenty more to say but I limited myself to just two posts about it because I've got other shit to go do than write an essay on my opinions of the Rocky franchise >_>
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