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Bio1590
05/23/18 8:05:07 AM
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I'm not going through that shit again.
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The Top Crusader
05/23/18 8:06:40 AM
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Yeah, I won't say I'll never, ever, ever get one if that's the case, but it definitely puts my purchase off significantly. I have an original PS4 so it'd be a nice upgrade if it can play those like a PS4 pro or better, but if that isn't an option I'm gonna be waiting for them to build up a good library.
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Rika_Furude
05/23/18 8:07:27 AM
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eh, i have a job that pays well so its no issue for me to buy consoles day 0 anymore.
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MegaTech
05/23/18 8:07:50 AM
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If they continue with the exclusives, I'll buy it. I think that is a common thought for a lot of PlayStation owners
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Coffeebeanz
05/23/18 8:08:45 AM
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Yeah, the lack of backwards compatibility is really killing the Switch right now.

But seriously, one of the major reasons the current consoles are built on standard PC hardware is to avoid an overly complicated nearly-impossible-to-emulate hardware design like the PS3.

If Sony kept AMD for CPU and GPU for PS5, it would be extremely easy to have PS4 backwards compatibility. Conceptually, it wouldn't be much different than how the PS4 Pro plays standard PS4 games in "Boost Mode".
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winged_weltall
05/23/18 8:12:32 AM
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If it's backwards compatible I'll be happy, but if they let you download certain games for free if you can prove that you have the disc version, I'll be happy too. Similar to what Steve Jobs did with the iTunes music store, when he let you download entire CDs for free if you proved that you had the physical CD.
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Coffeebeanz
05/23/18 8:15:38 AM
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winged_weltall posted...
If it's backwards compatible I'll be happy, but if they let you download certain games for free if you can prove that you have the disc version, I'll be happy too. Similar to what Steve Jobs did with the iTunes music store, when he let you download entire CDs for free if you proved that you had the physical CD.


It's not going to happen for the very obvious reason that you could just borrow a friend's game, download the digital version, then give it back.

It's the same reason you have to actually put an Xbox 360 disc in an X1 to play it. The X1 doesn't do anything with the actual disc - it's all digitally downloaded from XBL - but the disc is there to prove you own it.

And iTunes is definitely NOT a paragon of digital rights - especially in the Steve Jobs era. Don't forget that the audio files you downloaded on iTunes were encrypted and couldn't be sent to non-Apple devices. Then, Apple let you pay $1 per song to "convert" them to standard MP3s.
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AlecSkorpio
05/23/18 8:18:33 AM
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If it's backwards compatable and works like a PS4 Pro, I'll probably buy one since right now my plan is to just buy a cheap used PS4 to get Spider-Man and Days Gone and play some of the other games I'm interested in and missed out on (mostly Yakuza)

Otherwise I'm going to hold off for 4 years again.
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Southernfatman
05/23/18 8:21:40 AM
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Why would any company make a console backwards compatible when they can just make more money from old console sales?
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008Zulu
05/23/18 8:23:46 AM
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If you want backwards compatibility, join the PC Master Race :D
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Coffeebeanz
05/23/18 8:23:53 AM
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Southernfatman posted...
Why would any company make a console backwards compatible when they can just make more money from old console sales?


Because companies don't really make money on console sales - except Nintendo.
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Master_Bass
05/23/18 8:25:59 AM
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I don't see why it wouldn't be really. The rumors say they're going with more AMD hardware and it's just a standard x86 architecture anyway.
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Coffeebeanz
05/23/18 8:27:41 AM
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Master_Bass posted...
I don't see why it wouldn't be really. The rumors say they're going with more AMD hardware and it's just a standard x86 architecture anyway.


People act like Sony is slumming it by not having PS3 BC, but the reality is that PS3 emulation on even the absolute best PC hardware is absolutely terrible. The PS3's Cell Processor architecture was so stupidly complex.

The Xbox 360, by comparison, was just a PowerPC CPU and a Radeon X1900.

The original Xbox was, quite literally, a Pentium III (technically, a Celeron equivalent) and a geforce 3.
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Bloodychess
05/23/18 8:32:00 AM
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008Zulu posted...
If you want backwards compatibility, join the PC Master Race :D


*stares at his Win 98 games then shakes fist at you*
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DifferentialEquation
05/23/18 8:34:35 AM
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It would be nice if it had the PS4 pro capabilities for backwards compatibility.
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pres_madagascar
05/23/18 8:36:35 AM
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If it's not backwarxa compatible, I'm going full time pc.
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iClockwork
05/23/18 8:39:16 AM
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Rika_Furude posted...
eh, i have a job that pays well so its no issue for me to buy consoles day 0 anymore.

I've made 0 progress on any of these except for the Cisco CCENT which I read half a book a few months ago


A worker that refuses to add to his skill set after being hired but claims to be paid well.
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1337toothbrush
05/23/18 8:47:31 AM
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Bloodychess posted...
008Zulu posted...
If you want backwards compatibility, join the PC Master Race :D


*stares at his Win 98 games then shakes fist at you*

Use a VM, genius.
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Bloodychess
05/23/18 9:34:45 AM
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1337toothbrush posted...
Bloodychess posted...
008Zulu posted...
If you want backwards compatibility, join the PC Master Race :D


*stares at his Win 98 games then shakes fist at you*

Use a VM, genius.

pc master race once again displaying those master social skills
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darkjedilink
05/23/18 9:37:15 AM
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008Zulu posted...
If you want backwards compatibility, join the PC Master Race :D

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Romulox28
05/23/18 9:44:39 AM
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pres_madagascar posted...
If it's not backwards compatible, I'm going full time pc.

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1337toothbrush
05/23/18 3:00:38 PM
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Bloodychess posted...
1337toothbrush posted...
Bloodychess posted...
008Zulu posted...
If you want backwards compatibility, join the PC Master Race :D


*stares at his Win 98 games then shakes fist at you*

Use a VM, genius.

pc master race once again displaying those master social skills

Your shitty argument flopped so you bring something up that doesn't matter on an internet message board. I don't act the same way in real life.
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Bloodychess
05/23/18 4:15:51 PM
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1337toothbrush posted...
Bloodychess posted...
1337toothbrush posted...
Bloodychess posted...
008Zulu posted...
If you want backwards compatibility, join the PC Master Race :D


*stares at his Win 98 games then shakes fist at you*

Use a VM, genius.

pc master race once again displaying those master social skills

Your shitty argument flopped so you bring something up that doesn't matter on an internet message board. I don't act the same way in real life.

Probably because you don't have one lmfao
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southcoast09
05/23/18 4:17:26 PM
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My PS4 is backwards compatible.
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WhoaLookingCool
05/23/18 4:18:13 PM
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Bloodychess posted...
008Zulu posted...
If you want backwards compatibility, join the PC Master Race :D


*stares at his Win 98 games then shakes fist at you*

While that does suck, you can't deny its far easier to player older games on a PC than it is on a current console.
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TheVipaGTS
05/23/18 4:20:25 PM
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i don't understand this NEED for backwards compatibility...Yea its a nice thing to have but why is it expected these days? Was the N64 backwards compatible? I mean i fully understand why people WANT it, but it shouldn't make or break a console IMO.
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Touch
05/23/18 4:26:17 PM
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PS5 looks great
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prince_leo
05/23/18 4:33:42 PM
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TheVipaGTS posted...
i don't understand this NEED for backwards compatibility...Yea its a nice thing to have but why is it expected these days? Was the N64 backwards compatible? I mean i fully understand why people WANT it, but it shouldn't make or break a console IMO.

I can't speak for anyone else, but it's less of a "need" and more of a reason to buy it
like, I have a gaming PC. between that and my Switch, 90% of games I'm interested in over the next five years or so will be within reach
if the PS5 gets games like God of War and Persona, I'll be tempted to buy a PS5, but not before then. if the PS5 can play my PS4 games, especially with a boost mode similar to the Pro, then it'd probably be a day 1 buy for me because the console is so damn convenient
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Ivynn
05/23/18 4:38:44 PM
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if you don't want backwards compatibility for PS5 don't even TALK to me
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1337toothbrush
05/23/18 4:54:10 PM
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Bloodychess posted...
1337toothbrush posted...
Bloodychess posted...
1337toothbrush posted...
Bloodychess posted...
008Zulu posted...
If you want backwards compatibility, join the PC Master Race :D


*stares at his Win 98 games then shakes fist at you*

Use a VM, genius.

pc master race once again displaying those master social skills

Your shitty argument flopped so you bring something up that doesn't matter on an internet message board. I don't act the same way in real life.

Probably because you don't have one lmfao

Have one what? A real life? Imagine whatever you want to make yourself feel better. I don't know why you're so upset that your argument fell flat, but you're just making yourself look worse at this point.
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Damn_Underscore
05/23/18 5:01:26 PM
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The worst thing about the PS4 IMO isn't that it doesn't play PS3 games, it's that the PS1/PS2 games from the PSN don't work.
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Giant_Aspirin
05/23/18 5:01:58 PM
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008Zulu posted...
If you want backwards compatibility, join the PC Master Race :D


*hugs PC*
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Rika_Furude
05/23/18 5:04:03 PM
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Bloodychess posted...
008Zulu posted...
If you want backwards compatibility, join the PC Master Race :D


*stares at his Win 98 games then shakes fist at you*

What is a virtual machine?
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Coffeebeanz
05/23/18 5:06:40 PM
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Damn_Underscore posted...
The worst thing about the PS4 IMO isn't that it doesn't play PS3 games, it's that the PS1/PS2 games from the PSN don't work.


That I can't stand, but I'm pretty sure it has to do with licensing.
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Slip-N-Slide
05/23/18 5:08:47 PM
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There's no reason for it not to be. The only reason the PS4 isn't bc with PS3 is because the PS3 was such a cluster fuck of an architecture that would be extremely challenging to emulate in even the highest end x86 hardware, let alone PS4 specs.
Next gen is pretty much guaranteed to be x86 and simply a newer, faster version of whatever AMD's current APU is at that time, if it's Ryzen or it's successor.

There'd really be no reason you can't just put a disc in or download your old games and play them natively.
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loafy013
05/23/18 6:12:33 PM
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What kind of voodoo is sony going to pull with the PS5 here? If I get one, will my PS2, PS3, and PS4 suddenly stop working and vanish into thin air? What a scary thought.
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Coffeebeanz
05/23/18 7:48:49 PM
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Slip-N-Slide posted...
There's no reason for it not to be. The only reason the PS4 isn't bc with PS3 is because the PS3 was such a cluster fuck of an architecture that would be extremely challenging to emulate in even the highest end x86 hardware, let alone PS4 specs.
Next gen is pretty much guaranteed to be x86 and simply a newer, faster version of whatever AMD's current APU is at that time, if it's Ryzen or it's successor.

There'd really be no reason you can't just put a disc in or download your old games and play them natively.


It's actually kind of silly that people keep expecting Sony to offer PS3 BC. It's obvious by the fact that they have PS Now that their solution was a streaming service. Primarily because the PS3's architecture is nearly impossible to fully emulate.
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Darmik
05/23/18 8:01:04 PM
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I think it will and people will celebrate it as a pro-consumer thing and a big deal. When really there's no reason at all for the PS5 not to include it. They won't have any excuses like they did for the PS3.

If they bring forward PS4 compatibility I'll be happy. But I'll be even happier if they make an actual effort and add their other platforms.

Coffeebeanz posted...
Damn_Underscore posted...
The worst thing about the PS4 IMO isn't that it doesn't play PS3 games, it's that the PS1/PS2 games from the PSN don't work.


That I can't stand, but I'm pretty sure it has to do with licensing.


Microsoft seems to handle it fine. Sony seemed to handle it fine with the Vita too.

I remember the good old days when this was one of the things Sony was actually good with.
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PokemonYoutube
05/23/18 8:04:23 PM
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Coffeebeanz posted...
Yeah, the lack of backwards compatibility is really killing the Switch right now.

Well, the Switch's library would be a lot slimmer if you could play Wii U games on it. Would've effectively made all those freaking ports obsolete.
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008Zulu
05/24/18 8:08:51 AM
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Bloodychess posted...
008Zulu posted...
If you want backwards compatibility, join the PC Master Race :D


*stares at his Win 98 games then shakes fist at you*

What titles do you want to play again, but are having issues with?
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Lord_Shadow
05/24/18 8:30:37 AM
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Fuck the ps5 I'm gonna just upgrade my PC
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