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CiIantro
05/13/18 11:23:29 PM
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Would like to go somewhere like Luxembourg, Singapore, Switzerland, or Monaco. Could also do the Nordic countries as well. Just wish I could get out of this corrupt, backwards shithole of a country.
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CiIantro
05/13/18 11:31:03 PM
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How much longer until I can apply to enter Switzerland as a refugee from America?
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TheCyborgNinja
05/13/18 11:40:11 PM
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I live in Canada but feel the same way sometimes... I even have an EU passport. The problem is the money part.
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Ki_cat_
05/13/18 11:48:57 PM
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Pull up them 'straps boy. Shit's easy as long as you put effort. Everyone online is doing it. They'll also neglect to mention all the help they had.
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_____Cait
05/13/18 11:50:18 PM
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Youre gonna be surprised how messed up these "perfect" countries are.

Usually they have insane tax laws, or are incredibly socially inept,racist, etc.
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pikachupwnage
05/13/18 11:53:48 PM
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No reason to renounce citizenship.

Could screw you down the line.
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Ki_cat_
05/13/18 11:56:35 PM
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_____Cait posted...
Youre gonna be surprised how messed up these "perfect" countries are.

Usually they have insane tax laws, or are incredibly socially inept,racist, etc.


The immigration laws are super strict. You basically need to speak the language and prove you'll be useful.

Well, for a lot of smaller and nice places like Sweden.
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Distant_Rainbow
05/13/18 11:57:07 PM
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CiIantro posted...
Would like to go somewhere like Luxembourg, Singapore, Switzerland, or Monaco.


Lol at you if you think getting citizenship in any of those places is going to be easy or quick.

How much longer until I can apply to enter Switzerland as a refugee from America?


America, so never, unless there's a second Civil War.
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jumi
05/13/18 11:57:23 PM
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pikachupwnage posted...
No reason to renounce citizenship.

Could screw you down the line.


Yeah, you can move (in some cases) without renouncing your citizenship.
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Hulkasaurusrex
05/14/18 12:00:29 AM
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Absolutely snowflakes move to sweden. I hear rape is in season this time of year.
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Bat178
05/14/18 12:02:46 AM
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Ki_cat_ posted...
_____Cait posted...
Youre gonna be surprised how messed up these "perfect" countries are.

Usually they have insane tax laws, or are incredibly socially inept,racist, etc.


The immigration laws are super strict. You basically need to speak the language and prove you'll be useful.

Well, for a lot of smaller and nice places like Sweden.

Sweden is big, but a lot of it is empty forest, same with many northern countries.
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Zikten
05/14/18 12:03:31 AM
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every country has corruption. I bet you can't find one country on earth where there isn't some corruption in the government
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jumi
05/14/18 12:03:31 AM
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Hulkasaurusrex posted...
Absolutely snowflakes move to sweden. I hear rape is in season this time of year.


Fake news. Sad!
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mattnd2007
05/14/18 12:10:54 AM
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Just go the expat route. Renouncing us citizenship would be stupid. If you ever get in a dodgy situation being a us citizen will most likely help.
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muchdran
05/14/18 12:16:08 AM
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Move illegally, seems to work out here
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muchdran
05/14/18 12:17:13 AM
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We actually pay you to be here illegally
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Master_Bass
05/14/18 12:18:08 AM
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jumi posted...
pikachupwnage posted...
No reason to renounce citizenship.

Could screw you down the line.


Yeah, you can move (in some cases) without renouncing your citizenship.

The US will still want you to pay taxes even living abroad, though.
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silentwing26x
05/14/18 12:18:09 AM
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imagine being so deluded by mainstream media and Tumblr bullshit that you literally think this way about American citizenship and the state of the union
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CiIantro
05/14/18 1:20:32 AM
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pikachupwnage posted...
No reason to renounce citizenship.

Could screw you down the line.

The USA is the only country in the world (to my knowledge) that will still tax you if you are living abroad. Fucking greedy as hell.

Distant_Rainbow posted...
CiIantro posted...
Would like to go somewhere like Luxembourg, Singapore, Switzerland, or Monaco.


Lol at you if you think getting citizenship in any of those places is going to be easy or quick.

I never said it was.
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CiIantro
05/14/18 1:20:57 AM
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silentwing26x posted...
imagine being so deluded by mainstream media and Tumblr bullshit that you literally think this way about American citizenship and the state of the union

ITP: America is perfect and nowhere else is better
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MrPeppers
05/14/18 1:25:02 AM
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CiIantro posted...
silentwing26x posted...
imagine being so deluded by mainstream media and Tumblr bullshit that you literally think this way about American citizenship and the state of the union

ITP: America is perfect and nowhere else is better


This my friends is actually a straw man. I know the term gets thrown around a lot but you couldnt ask for a more perfect example
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ASithLord7
05/14/18 1:30:12 AM
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Der Schweiz ist toll, aber sehr teuer.
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CiIantro
05/14/18 1:30:27 AM
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MrPeppers posted...
CiIantro posted...
silentwing26x posted...
imagine being so deluded by mainstream media and Tumblr bullshit that you literally think this way about American citizenship and the state of the union

ITP: America is perfect and nowhere else is better


This my friends is actually a straw man. I know the term gets thrown around a lot but you couldnt ask for a more perfect example

It is clearly what he is saying. He is insinuating that the only reason someone would want to leave America is because they were tricked by the media. ie. no rational person would want to leave.
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Lorenzo_2003
05/14/18 1:37:57 AM
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This reminds me of all those people who nonstop criticize places like the US for being racist, full of privilege and oppressive, but then they only want to move to a country that is even more white and more privileged. Lol, theyre so woke but never mention wanting to move to the Sudan or Afghanistan.
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Patchwork
05/14/18 1:40:46 AM
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CiIantro posted...
MrPeppers posted...
CiIantro posted...
silentwing26x posted...
imagine being so deluded by mainstream media and Tumblr bullshit that you literally think this way about American citizenship and the state of the union

ITP: America is perfect and nowhere else is better


This my friends is actually a straw man. I know the term gets thrown around a lot but you couldnt ask for a more perfect example

It is clearly what he is saying. He is insinuating that the only reason someone would want to leave America is because they were tricked by the media. ie. no rational person would want to leave.


It isn't about you leaving America; if that's what you want, more power to you.

It's about you renouncing your citizenship.

Why?
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ASithLord7
05/14/18 1:42:31 AM
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...
This reminds me of all those people who nonstop criticize places like the US for being racist, full of privilege and oppressive, but then they only want to move to a country that is even more white and more privileged. Lol, theyre so woke but never mention wanting to move to the Sudan or Afghanistan.

This is always such a fucking stupid argument. Probably because they want to go to a better country? Not a worse one full of conflict and violence? Derp.
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scar the 1
05/14/18 1:44:55 AM
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Get a job here. If you have a job in Sweden immigration should be quite easy. And no, you don't need to know the language to become a citizen.
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CiIantro
05/14/18 1:49:48 AM
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Patchwork posted...
CiIantro posted...
MrPeppers posted...
CiIantro posted...
silentwing26x posted...
imagine being so deluded by mainstream media and Tumblr bullshit that you literally think this way about American citizenship and the state of the union

ITP: America is perfect and nowhere else is better


This my friends is actually a straw man. I know the term gets thrown around a lot but you couldnt ask for a more perfect example

It is clearly what he is saying. He is insinuating that the only reason someone would want to leave America is because they were tricked by the media. ie. no rational person would want to leave.


It isn't about you leaving America; if that's what you want, more power to you.

It's about you renouncing your citizenship.

Why?

Because the IRS will try to collect from you no matter what country you are in. If you are working abroad, you still owe US taxes. Otherwise, sure, dual citizenship would be great
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gamer167
05/14/18 1:54:52 AM
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Oh so you want to mover somewhere with more white people and less minorities?
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Sativa_Rose
05/14/18 2:01:41 AM
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With enough money, I am sure an American could move to every single one of those countries.
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steveoSEK
05/14/18 2:06:18 AM
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Personally, I want to leave the world for the most part entirely. Go live in some small place in the Forrest in some remote part of Asia, living close enough to a small village to be able to get things I couldn't get myself.
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CiIantro
05/14/18 2:14:11 AM
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gamer167 posted...
Oh so you want to mover somewhere with more white people and less minorities?

because Singapore is SO white
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HiddenLurker
05/14/18 2:18:38 AM
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Why don't you just go then.
I'm sure the people that always claim "open borders are awesome" should be more then willing to let you come in.
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teepan95
05/14/18 2:21:26 AM
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ASithLord7 posted...
Der Schweiz ist toll, aber sehr teuer.

*Die

That said, he's right
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Dragonblade01
05/14/18 2:21:53 AM
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Ki_cat_ posted...
The immigration laws are super strict. You basically need to speak the language and prove you'll be useful.

Are we really going to call those two criteria "super strict"?
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CiIantro
05/14/18 2:27:19 AM
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HiddenLurker posted...
Why don't you just go then.

Did you not read the topic title?
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scar the 1
05/14/18 2:28:56 AM
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CiIantro posted...
HiddenLurker posted...
Why don't you just go then.

Did you not read the topic title?

You can always start looking for work. If you get a job offer, relocating would be easier
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Jaghave
05/14/18 2:29:07 AM
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CiIantro posted...
Would like to go somewhere like Luxembourg, Singapore, Switzerland, or Monaco. Could also do the Nordic countries as well. Just wish I could get out of this corrupt, backwards shithole of a country.


Why not go to a country with color folks?
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ASithLord7
05/14/18 2:29:20 AM
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teepan95 posted...
ASithLord7 posted...
Der Schweiz ist toll, aber sehr teuer.

*Die

That said, he's right

Whoops. I'm half drunk and I guess I just see it more often in the Dative/Genitive than anything else lol.
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Vita_Aeterna
05/14/18 2:31:26 AM
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Why not Canada?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_rankings_of_Canada

Vancouver is also in the top 3 most livable cities in the world.
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Lorenzo_2003
05/14/18 4:22:24 AM
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ASithLord7 posted...
This is always such a fucking stupid argument. Probably because they want to go to a better country? Not a worse one full of conflict and violence? Derp.


No, you do not understand what I'm talking about. Regular job migrants or war refugees are not part of this discussion. I'm speaking about a specific group of people who are hypocritical virtue signallers. They love shitting on Western countries, especially the US or France, for not doing more to help minorities (or pick whatever group you like) and say that these countries aren't really progressive and have too many non-woke citizens. They are very smug in claiming that it's due to racism and that race relations have supposedly gotten even worse than they were decades ago. So what is their solution when they have the means to do something about it? Is it to stick around and help make improvements or, better yet, take their attitude and resources and help in a country that needs all the help they can get? Lol, nope. The solution is to move to a country that has even less diversity, is gifted with more economic privilege and so on, which are all due to adopting Western democratic and/or capitalistic practices. It's supposedly racist and disgustingly nationalistic to hype up Western countries and God forbid you complain about a less developed country, but these people would never consider moving to a non-Western country. Are they racist or just trolling us to counter any cognitive dissonance?
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Hulkasaurusrex
05/14/18 4:30:03 AM
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jumi posted...
Hulkasaurusrex posted...
Absolutely snowflakes move to sweden. I hear rape is in season this time of year.


Fake news. Sad!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thelocal.se/20180118/reported-rapes-in-sweden-up-by-10-percent/amp
Delusion sad
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Hulkasaurusrex
05/14/18 4:34:09 AM
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Hulkasaurusrex posted...
jumi posted...
Hulkasaurusrex posted...
Absolutely snowflakes move to sweden. I hear rape is in season this time of year.


Fake news. Sad!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thelocal.se/20180118/reported-rapes-in-sweden-up-by-10-percent/amp
Delusion sad


Or maybe this

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/02/violent-crime-in-sweden-is-soaring-when-will-politicians-act/

Keep your fingers in your ears and ignore reality obviously you have created your own.
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Ser_Jaker
05/14/18 4:56:42 AM
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I understand that you shouldn't just be allowed to move willy nilly into a country. You should have proper documents and have a reason for wanting to move there, be useful and speak the language and adapt to the culture.

I do however think that your heritage and ancestry should bypass all that though. For example I have German ancestry. In my opinion that means I should be able to provide proof and they should give me citizenship. It should be like that with everywhere IMO.
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catboy0_0
05/14/18 4:59:25 AM
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ITT people mad as hell and try to shame someone for wanting to live where they will be happier
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gmanthebest
05/14/18 5:10:50 AM
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You only have to pay taxes on your US currency you earn. Been living in Canada as a dual citizen for 10 years, never once had to give the IRS money. Just fill in the forms and send them off.
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gmanthebest
05/14/18 5:16:12 AM
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Vita_Aeterna posted...
Why not Canada?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_rankings_of_Canada

Vancouver is also in the top 3 most livable cities in the world.

It's also the most expensive place to live in the country.
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scar the 1
05/14/18 5:19:11 AM
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Hulkasaurusrex posted...
Hulkasaurusrex posted...
jumi posted...
Hulkasaurusrex posted...
Absolutely snowflakes move to sweden. I hear rape is in season this time of year.


Fake news. Sad!

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.thelocal.se/20180118/reported-rapes-in-sweden-up-by-10-percent/amp
Delusion sad


Or maybe this

https://www.spectator.co.uk/2018/02/violent-crime-in-sweden-is-soaring-when-will-politicians-act/

Keep your fingers in your ears and ignore reality obviously you have created your own.

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/kriminologen-osakert-om-brotten-okar

Or, you know, listen to criminologists and Br instead of sensationalist headlines designed for maximum outrage.
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SavenForever
05/14/18 6:09:44 AM
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Hahahahahahaha, no you wouldn't. You will be in for a world of surprise when you realize that some of these perfect utopias aren't as great as you thought they would be.
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