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CiIantro 05/05/18 8:17:07 PM #1:	You would think they would want as many good guys with guns in the room as possible. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.... <cite>CiIantro posted [p:900860903] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote>You would think they would want as many good guys with guns in the room as possible. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 05/05/18 8:18:44 PM #2:	Government so small it can fit in your holster instead of your gun --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:900860962] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote>Government so small it can fit in your holster instead of your gun</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
frozenshock 05/05/18 8:19:12 PM #3:	Same reason you cant carry guns on flights i guess --- I don't hate people, people hate me. <cite>frozenshock posted [p:900860984] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote>Same reason you cant carry guns on flights i guess</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/06/18 4:37:44 PM #4:	Because someone might to try to shoot Trump? --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:900900608] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote>Because someone might to try to shoot Trump?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 05/06/18 4:38:13 PM #5:	UnfairRepresent posted... Because someone might to try to shoot Trump? That's why you want a good guy with a gun in the crowd. They will stop the shooter. --- http://i.imgur.com/BBcZDLJ.png <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:900900634] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>Because someone might to try to shoot Trump?</quote> That's why you want a good guy with a gun in the crowd. They will stop the shooter.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KiwiTerraRizing 05/06/18 4:41:15 PM #6:	The Right - Gun free zones are shooting grounds for bad guys! Also The Right - You cant allow guns at Trump rallies, it wouldnt be safe. They have no shame. --- The FAM <cite>KiwiTerraRizing posted [p:900900748] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote>The Right - Gun free zones are shooting grounds for bad guys! Also The Right - You cant allow guns at Trump rallies, it wouldnt be safe. They have no shame.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Patchwork 05/06/18 4:44:04 PM #7:	KiwiTerraRizing posted... The Right - Gun free zones are shooting grounds for bad guys! Also The Right - You cant allow guns at Trump rallies, it wouldnt be safe. They have no shame. The secret service have their own rules and regulations, and there is no way they allow the person they're supposed to protect speak to an armed crowd. --- The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a heav'n of hell, a hell of heav'n. <cite>Patchwork posted [p:900900900] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote><cite>KiwiTerraRizing posted...</cite> <quote>The Right - Gun free zones are shooting grounds for bad guys! Also The Right - You cant allow guns at Trump rallies, it wouldnt be safe. They have no shame.</quote> The secret service have their own rules and regulations, and there is no way they allow the person they're supposed to protect speak to an armed crowd.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 05/06/18 4:47:29 PM #8:	UnfairRepresent posted... Because someone might to try to shoot Trump? Someone could try to shoot anyone. Should we ban guns nationwide? <cite>JE19426 posted [p:900901078] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>Because someone might to try to shoot Trump?</quote> Someone could try to shoot anyone. Should we ban guns nationwide?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BloodyNate 05/06/18 4:47:53 PM #9:	Patchwork posted... KiwiTerraRizing posted... The Right - Gun free zones are shooting grounds for bad guys! Also The Right - You cant allow guns at Trump rallies, it wouldnt be safe. They have no shame. The secret service have their own rules and regulations, and there is no way they allow the person they're supposed to protect speak to an armed crowd. Cool, so Kiwis argument still stands undeterred <cite>BloodyNate posted [p:900901096] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote><cite>Patchwork posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KiwiTerraRizing posted...</cite> <quote>The Right - Gun free zones are shooting grounds for bad guys! Also The Right - You cant allow guns at Trump rallies, it wouldnt be safe. They have no shame.</quote> The secret service have their own rules and regulations, and there is no way they allow the person they're supposed to protect speak to an armed crowd.</quote> Cool, so Kiwis argument still stands undeterred</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dameon_reaper 05/06/18 4:49:25 PM #10:	UnfairRepresent posted... Because someone might to try to shoot Trump? man, like..."we shouldn't ban guns because people need guns to protect other people" going to "We have to ban guns to protect people" without actually changing a single thought. <cite>dameon_reaper posted [p:900901163] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>Because someone might to try to shoot Trump?</quote> man, like..."we shouldn't ban guns because people need guns to protect other people" going to "We have to ban guns to protect people" without actually changing a single thought.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Patchwork 05/06/18 5:35:15 PM #11:	BloodyNate posted... Patchwork posted... KiwiTerraRizing posted... The Right - Gun free zones are shooting grounds for bad guys! Also The Right - You cant allow guns at Trump rallies, it wouldnt be safe. They have no shame. The secret service have their own rules and regulations, and there is no way they allow the person they're supposed to protect speak to an armed crowd. Cool, so Kiwis argument still stands undeterred Except the secret service is calling the shots, not the NRA or "the right." So, no, it doesn't. It's also not a "gun free zone," considering there are well-armed, well-trained secret service agents there. --- The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a heav'n of hell, a hell of heav'n. <cite>Patchwork posted [p:900903162] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote><cite>BloodyNate posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Patchwork posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KiwiTerraRizing posted...</cite> <quote>The Right - Gun free zones are shooting grounds for bad guys! Also The Right - You cant allow guns at Trump rallies, it wouldnt be safe. They have no shame.</quote> The secret service have their own rules and regulations, and there is no way they allow the person they're supposed to protect speak to an armed crowd.</quote> Cool, so Kiwis argument still stands undeterred</quote> Except the secret service is calling the shots, not the NRA or "the right." So, no, it doesn't. It's also not a "gun free zone," considering there are well-armed, well-trained secret service agents there.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Blitz4532 05/06/18 5:41:28 PM #12:	Patchwork posted... BloodyNate posted... Patchwork posted... KiwiTerraRizing posted... The Right - Gun free zones are shooting grounds for bad guys! Also The Right - You cant allow guns at Trump rallies, it wouldnt be safe. They have no shame. The secret service have their own rules and regulations, and there is no way they allow the person they're supposed to protect speak to an armed crowd. Cool, so Kiwis argument still stands undeterred Except the secret service is calling the shots, not the NRA or "the right." So, no, it doesn't. It's also not a "gun free zone," considering there are well-armed, well-trained secret service agents there. In terms of civilians, it's a gun free zone. Anywhere there's a gun free zone, it typically refers only to civilians as licences government employees (police, secret service, etc) are still allowed to carry. Now back to the question; why risk not having a good guy with a gun in the crowd? After all, the bad guy with the gun they're afraid of might not be visible to them due to the crowd until it's too late. --- I am the Stig "Or I could just, you know, drive the f***ing car." - TUSMEnterprises <cite>Blitz4532 posted [p:900903422] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote><cite>Patchwork posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BloodyNate posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Patchwork posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KiwiTerraRizing posted...</cite> <quote>The Right - Gun free zones are shooting grounds for bad guys! Also The Right - You cant allow guns at Trump rallies, it wouldnt be safe. They have no shame.</quote> The secret service have their own rules and regulations, and there is no way they allow the person they're supposed to protect speak to an armed crowd.</quote> Cool, so Kiwis argument still stands undeterred</quote> Except the secret service is calling the shots, not the NRA or "the right." So, no, it doesn't. It's also not a "gun free zone," considering there are well-armed, well-trained secret service agents there.</quote> In terms of civilians, it's a gun free zone. Anywhere there's a gun free zone, it typically refers only to civilians as licences government employees (police, secret service, etc) are still allowed to carry. Now back to the question; why risk not having a good guy with a gun in the crowd? After all, the bad guy with the gun they're afraid of might not be visible to them due to the crowd until it's too late.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Smashingpmkns 05/06/18 5:43:43 PM #14:	Wouldn't be the first time a president had a bad time in Dallas tbh --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:900903518] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote>Wouldn't be the first time a president had a bad time in Dallas tbh</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 05/06/18 5:45:00 PM #15:	Patchwork posted... Except the secret service is calling the shots, not the NRA or "the right." The NRA is letting the secret service call the shots. They could of refused to let them call the shots. It's also not a "gun free zone," considering there are well-armed, well-trained secret service agents there. You obviously don't know what a "gun free zone" is, if you think having armed secret service agents there means it's not a "gun free zone". <cite>JE19426 posted [p:900903572] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote><cite>Patchwork posted...</cite> <quote>Except the secret service is calling the shots, not the NRA or "the right." </quote> The NRA is letting the secret service call the shots. They could of refused to let them call the shots. <quote>It's also not a "gun free zone," considering there are well-armed, well-trained secret service agents there. </quote> You obviously don't know what a "gun free zone" is, if you think having armed secret service agents there means it's not a "gun free zone".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/06/18 5:45:50 PM #16:	JE19426 posted... UnfairRepresent posted... Because someone might to try to shoot Trump? Someone could try to shoot anyone. Should we ban guns nationwide? dameon_reaper posted... UnfairRepresent posted... Because someone might to try to shoot Trump? man, like..."we shouldn't ban guns because people need guns to protect other people" going to "We have to ban guns to protect people" without actually changing a single thought. There's a difference between general life and someone who is a likely target for assassination. Your daughter.... Okay hypothetically if someone like you had a daughter, doesn't need an escort to school. Trump or Obama or Putin's kids do as they are big targets. Whether you're pro gun or not this should be easy to understand --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:900903607] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>Because someone might to try to shoot Trump?</quote> Someone could try to shoot anyone. Should we ban guns nationwide?</quote> <cite>dameon_reaper posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>Because someone might to try to shoot Trump?</quote> man, like..."we shouldn't ban guns because people need guns to protect other people" going to "We have to ban guns to protect people" without actually changing a single thought.</quote> There's a difference between general life and someone who is a likely target for assassination. Your daughter.... Okay hypothetically if someone like you had a daughter, doesn't need an escort to school. Trump or Obama or Putin's kids do as they are big targets. Whether you're pro gun or not this should be easy to understand</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
scorpion41 05/06/18 5:46:25 PM #17:	To avoid killing an innocent accidentally. 20+ secret service agents see two people draw weapons, they see two threats. They dont get to sit there and wait to see who shoots the president and who doesnt. --- PSN: scorpion_4160 Currently Playing: NCAA 14, Darksiders series(PS3) <cite>scorpion41 posted [p:900903632] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote>To avoid killing an innocent accidentally. 20+ secret service agents see two people draw weapons, they see two threats. They dont get to sit there and wait to see who shoots the president and who doesnt.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 05/06/18 5:47:53 PM #18:	UnfairRepresent posted... There's a difference between general life and someone who is a likely target for assassination. Your daughter.... Okay hypothetically if someone like you had a daughter, doesn't need an escort to school. Trump or Obama or Putin's kids do as they are big targets. Whether you're pro gun or not this should be easy to understand Either gun free zone makes people safer, or they don't. This should be easy to understand. If they don't make people safer then making this address a gun free zone is pointless. If they do make people safer, then the claim that gun free zones don't make people safer is BS. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:900903722] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>There's a difference between general life and someone who is a likely target for assassination. Your daughter.... Okay hypothetically if someone like you had a daughter, doesn't need an escort to school. Trump or Obama or Putin's kids do as they are big targets. Whether you're pro gun or not this should be easy to understand </quote> Either gun free zone makes people safer, or they don't. This should be easy to understand. If they don't make people safer then making this address a gun free zone is pointless. If they do make people safer, then the claim that gun free zones don't make people safer is BS.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/06/18 5:49:35 PM #19:	JE19426 posted... Either gun free zone makes people safer, or they don't. This should be easy to understand. If they don't make people safer then making this address a gun free zone is pointless. If they do make people safer, then the claim that gun free zones don't make people safer is BS. Sigless user logic. --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:900903782] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote> Either gun free zone makes people safer, or they don't. This should be easy to understand. If they don't make people safer then making this address a gun free zone is pointless. If they do make people safer, then the claim that gun free zones don't make people safer is BS.</quote> Sigless user logic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Patchwork 05/06/18 5:50:32 PM #20:	Blitz4532 posted... Patchwork posted... BloodyNate posted... Patchwork posted... KiwiTerraRizing posted... The Right - Gun free zones are shooting grounds for bad guys! Also The Right - You cant allow guns at Trump rallies, it wouldnt be safe. They have no shame. The secret service have their own rules and regulations, and there is no way they allow the person they're supposed to protect speak to an armed crowd. Cool, so Kiwis argument still stands undeterred Except the secret service is calling the shots, not the NRA or "the right." So, no, it doesn't. It's also not a "gun free zone," considering there are well-armed, well-trained secret service agents there. In terms of civilians, it's a gun free zone. Anywhere there's a gun free zone, it typically refers only to civilians as licences government employees (police, secret service, etc) are still allowed to carry. Now back to the question; why risk not having a good guy with a gun in the crowd? I don't really agree with what you're getting at. You're right; it normally refers to civilians only. However, those same zones are normally not staffed with armed security. They just started detailing cops to theaters, and there's maybe one or two armed security officers or cops in decent-sized schools. Which makes them soft targets. The argument you're trying to make is intellectually dishonest. --- The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a heav'n of hell, a hell of heav'n. <cite>Patchwork posted [p:900903819] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote><cite>Blitz4532 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Patchwork posted...</cite> <quote><cite>BloodyNate posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Patchwork posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KiwiTerraRizing posted...</cite> <quote>The Right - Gun free zones are shooting grounds for bad guys! Also The Right - You cant allow guns at Trump rallies, it wouldnt be safe. They have no shame.</quote> The secret service have their own rules and regulations, and there is no way they allow the person they're supposed to protect speak to an armed crowd.</quote> Cool, so Kiwis argument still stands undeterred</quote> Except the secret service is calling the shots, not the NRA or "the right." So, no, it doesn't. It's also not a "gun free zone," considering there are well-armed, well-trained secret service agents there.</quote> In terms of civilians, it's a gun free zone. Anywhere there's a gun free zone, it typically refers only to civilians as licences government employees (police, secret service, etc) are still allowed to carry. Now back to the question; why risk not having a good guy with a gun in the crowd?</quote> I don't really agree with what you're getting at. You're right; it normally refers to civilians only. However, those same zones are normally not staffed with armed security. They just started detailing cops to theaters, and there's maybe one or two armed security officers or cops in decent-sized schools. Which makes them soft targets. The argument you're trying to make is intellectually dishonest.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dameon_reaper 05/06/18 5:51:17 PM #21:	UnfairRepresent posted... JE19426 posted... UnfairRepresent posted... Because someone might to try to shoot Trump? Someone could try to shoot anyone. Should we ban guns nationwide? dameon_reaper posted... UnfairRepresent posted... Because someone might to try to shoot Trump? man, like..."we shouldn't ban guns because people need guns to protect other people" going to "We have to ban guns to protect people" without actually changing a single thought. There's a difference between general life and someone who is a likely target for assassination. Your daughter.... Okay hypothetically if someone like you had a daughter, doesn't need an escort to school. Trump or Obama or Putin's kids do as they are big targets. Whether you're pro gun or not this should be easy to understand I do have a daughter and my daughter needs an escort to school. Its called a bus driver and/or me driving her because she IS a target for pedophiles and whatever else kidnappers do. Maybe its not the same thing but kids can still be targets, especially in this day an age. <cite>dameon_reaper posted [p:900903852] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>Because someone might to try to shoot Trump?</quote> Someone could try to shoot anyone. Should we ban guns nationwide?</quote> <cite>dameon_reaper posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>Because someone might to try to shoot Trump?</quote> man, like..."we shouldn't ban guns because people need guns to protect other people" going to "We have to ban guns to protect people" without actually changing a single thought.</quote> There's a difference between general life and someone who is a likely target for assassination. Your daughter.... Okay hypothetically if someone like you had a daughter, doesn't need an escort to school. Trump or Obama or Putin's kids do as they are big targets. Whether you're pro gun or not this should be easy to understand</quote> I do have a daughter and my daughter needs an escort to school. Its called a bus driver and/or me driving her because she IS a target for pedophiles and whatever else kidnappers do. Maybe its not the same thing but kids can still be targets, especially in this day an age.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Patchwork 05/06/18 5:52:15 PM #22:	JE19426 posted... Patchwork posted... Except the secret service is calling the shots, not the NRA or "the right." The NRA is letting the secret service call the shots. They could of refused to let them call the shots. It's also not a "gun free zone," considering there are well-armed, well-trained secret service agents there. You obviously don't know what a "gun free zone" is, if you think having armed secret service agents there means it's not a "gun free zone". Really? The NRA is letting the secret service call the shots? Are you fucking kidding? This site... so incredible. --- The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a heav'n of hell, a hell of heav'n. <cite>Patchwork posted [p:900903889] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Patchwork posted...</cite> <quote>Except the secret service is calling the shots, not the NRA or "the right." </quote> The NRA is letting the secret service call the shots. They could of refused to let them call the shots. <quote>It's also not a "gun free zone," considering there are well-armed, well-trained secret service agents there. </quote> You obviously don't know what a "gun free zone" is, if you think having armed secret service agents there means it's not a "gun free zone".</quote> Really? The NRA is letting the secret service call the shots? Are you fucking kidding? This site... so incredible.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dameon_reaper 05/06/18 5:52:37 PM #23:	scorpion41 posted... To avoid killing an innocent accidentally. 20+ secret service agents see two people draw weapons, they see two threats. They dont get to sit there and wait to see who shoots the president and who doesnt. Same thing in a school. Two guys think they're playing hero and go looking for the shooter and sees a guy with a gun. Said guy doesn't wear a police uniform. he shoots the guy. Police officer runs in and sees two guys playing hero, shoots both guys because they're carrying weapons and may be the shooter. They don't have the option to second guess themselves. <cite>dameon_reaper posted [p:900903898] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote><cite>scorpion41 posted...</cite> <quote>To avoid killing an innocent accidentally. 20+ secret service agents see two people draw weapons, they see two threats. They dont get to sit there and wait to see who shoots the president and who doesnt.</quote> Same thing in a school. Two guys think they're playing hero and go looking for the shooter and sees a guy with a gun. Said guy doesn't wear a police uniform. he shoots the guy. Police officer runs in and sees two guys playing hero, shoots both guys because they're carrying weapons and may be the shooter. They don't have the option to second guess themselves.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 05/06/18 5:53:26 PM #24:	UnfairRepresent posted... Sigless user logic. Translation: I don't have an argument, but I don't want to admit it. Patchwork posted... Really? The NRA is letting the secret service call the shots? Is that not the case? Is this whole topic built on a lie? <cite>JE19426 posted [p:900903936] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>Sigless user logic. </quote> Translation: <quote>I don't have an argument, but I don't want to admit it.</quote> <cite>Patchwork posted...</cite> <quote>Really? The NRA is letting the secret service call the shots? </quote> Is that not the case? Is this whole topic built on a lie?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Patchwork 05/06/18 5:56:51 PM #25:	The secret service dictates the terms of whatever venue the President appears at; they don't ask favors of the hosting party, unless that hosting party is, say, a foreign power. They don't ask the NRA what the NRA wants to do; they tell the NRA point-blank there will be no guns at the event. --- The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a heav'n of hell, a hell of heav'n. <cite>Patchwork posted [p:900904073] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote>The secret service dictates the terms of whatever venue the President appears at; they don't ask favors of the hosting party, unless that hosting party is, say, a foreign power. They don't ask the NRA what the NRA wants to do; they tell the NRA point-blank there will be no guns at the event.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/06/18 5:57:36 PM #26:	dameon_reaper posted... I do have a daughter and my daughter needs an escort to school. Its called a bus driver and/or me driving her because she IS a target for pedophiles and whatever else kidnappers do. Maybe its not the same thing but kids can still be targets, especially in this day an age. Your bus driver is an armed escort. That's a shitty bus driver. The point is there is a difference between everyday life and specific targets. A lot of concerts ban bottles just because people throw them --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:900904106] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote><cite>dameon_reaper posted...</cite> <quote> I do have a daughter and my daughter needs an escort to school. Its called a bus driver and/or me driving her because she IS a target for pedophiles and whatever else kidnappers do. Maybe its not the same thing but kids can still be targets, especially in this day an age. </quote> Your bus driver is an armed escort. That's a shitty bus driver. The point is there is a difference between everyday life and specific targets. A lot of concerts ban bottles just because people throw them</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 05/06/18 5:58:19 PM #27:	Patchwork posted... The secret service dictates the terms of whatever venue the President appears at; they don't ask favors of the hosting party, unless that hosting party is, say, a foreign power. They don't ask the NRA what the NRA wants to do; they tell the NRA point-blank there will be no guns at the event. Then the NRA should of stood up for principles, and refused. UnfairRepresent posted... Your bus driver is an armed escort. That's a shitty bus driver. Sigless user logic. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:900904137] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote><cite>Patchwork posted...</cite> <quote>The secret service dictates the terms of whatever venue the President appears at; they don't ask favors of the hosting party, unless that hosting party is, say, a foreign power. They don't ask the NRA what the NRA wants to do; they tell the NRA point-blank there will be no guns at the event. </quote> Then the NRA should of stood up for principles, and refused. <cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>Your bus driver is an armed escort. That's a shitty bus driver. </quote> Sigless user logic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dameon_reaper 05/06/18 5:59:58 PM #28:	UnfairRepresent posted... dameon_reaper posted... I do have a daughter and my daughter needs an escort to school. Its called a bus driver and/or me driving her because she IS a target for pedophiles and whatever else kidnappers do. Maybe its not the same thing but kids can still be targets, especially in this day an age. Your bus driver is an armed escort. That's a shitty bus driver. The point is there is a difference between everyday life and specific targets. A lot of concerts ban bottles just because people throw them My bus driver isn't armed. That's kinda the point though. He doesn't have to be. He's still an escort. His being there means my daughter's safe. <cite>dameon_reaper posted [p:900904222] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>dameon_reaper posted...</cite> <quote> I do have a daughter and my daughter needs an escort to school. Its called a bus driver and/or me driving her because she IS a target for pedophiles and whatever else kidnappers do. Maybe its not the same thing but kids can still be targets, especially in this day an age. </quote> Your bus driver is an armed escort. That's a shitty bus driver. The point is there is a difference between everyday life and specific targets. A lot of concerts ban bottles just because people throw them</quote> My bus driver isn't armed. That's kinda the point though. He doesn't have to be. He's still an escort. His being there means my daughter's safe.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funbazooka 05/06/18 6:00:07 PM #29:	Trying to turn the mandated protections that is provided to the President, into some kind of gotcha on gun control is some of the silliest shit I've heard by the gun grabbers --- "Don't trade your authenticity for approval." -Kanye West <cite>Funbazooka posted [p:900904233] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote>Trying to turn the mandated protections that is provided to the President, into some kind of gotcha on gun control is some of the silliest shit I've heard by the gun grabbers</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
dameon_reaper 05/06/18 6:04:48 PM #30:	Funbazooka posted... Trying to turn the mandated protections that is provided to the President, into some kind of gotcha on gun control is some of the silliest shit I've heard by the gun grabbers You're going to try and talk about someone else's 'silliest shit' when I've seen you try to turn everything around no matter how badly Trump fucks up or gets caught up in lies. <cite>dameon_reaper posted [p:900904431] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funbazooka posted...</cite> <quote>Trying to turn the mandated protections that is provided to the President, into some kind of gotcha on gun control is some of the silliest shit I've heard by the gun grabbers</quote> You're going to try and talk about someone else's 'silliest shit' when I've seen you try to turn everything around no matter how badly Trump fucks up or gets caught up in lies.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/06/18 6:06:59 PM #31:	Funbazooka posted... Trying to turn the mandated protections that is provided to the President, into some kind of gotcha on gun control is some of the silliest shit I've heard by the gun grabbers It's super weird --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:900904525] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funbazooka posted...</cite> <quote>Trying to turn the mandated protections that is provided to the President, into some kind of gotcha on gun control is some of the silliest shit I've heard by the gun grabbers</quote> It's super weird</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 05/06/18 6:09:35 PM #32:	Funbazooka posted... Trying to turn the mandated protections that is provided to the President, into some kind of gotcha on gun control is some of the silliest shit I've heard by the gun grabbers Are mandated protections more important than inherent rights now? --- Clean Butt Crew <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:900904642] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funbazooka posted...</cite> <quote>Trying to turn the mandated protections that is provided to the President, into some kind of gotcha on gun control is some of the silliest shit I've heard by the gun grabbers</quote> Are mandated protections more important than inherent rights now?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 05/06/18 6:09:46 PM #33:	UnfairRepresent posted... It's super weird Only if you don't understand basic logic. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:900904652] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>It's super weird </quote> Only if you don't understand basic logic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KiwiTerraRizing 05/06/18 6:10:59 PM #34:	Funbazooka posted... Trying to turn the mandated protections that is provided to the President, into some kind of gotcha on gun control is some of the silliest shit I've heard by the gun grabbers Whats ridiculous is gun nuts claim to love the 2nd Amendment then have a list of shit that narrows the amendment they have no problem with. But to them its just common sense and they dont explain their hypocrisy. But, if the other side has and valid point suddenly the 2nd is a rock hard right which can suffer no exemptions! --- The FAM <cite>KiwiTerraRizing posted [p:900904700] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funbazooka posted...</cite> <quote>Trying to turn the mandated protections that is provided to the President, into some kind of gotcha on gun control is some of the silliest shit I've heard by the gun grabbers</quote> Whats ridiculous is gun nuts claim to love the 2nd Amendment then have a list of shit that narrows the amendment they have no problem with. But to them its just common sense and they dont explain their hypocrisy. But, if the other side has and valid point suddenly the 2nd is a rock hard right which can suffer no exemptions!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funbazooka 05/06/18 6:13:52 PM #35:	dameon_reaper posted... Funbazooka posted... Trying to turn the mandated protections that is provided to the President, into some kind of gotcha on gun control is some of the silliest shit I've heard by the gun grabbers You're going to try and talk about someone else's 'silliest shit' when I've seen you try to turn everything around no matter how badly Trump fucks up or gets caught up in lies. This ain't about Trump. --- "Don't trade your authenticity for approval." -Kanye West <cite>Funbazooka posted [p:900904839] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote><cite>dameon_reaper posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Funbazooka posted...</cite> <quote>Trying to turn the mandated protections that is provided to the President, into some kind of gotcha on gun control is some of the silliest shit I've heard by the gun grabbers</quote> You're going to try and talk about someone else's 'silliest shit' when I've seen you try to turn everything around no matter how badly Trump fucks up or gets caught up in lies.</quote> This ain't about Trump.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/06/18 6:14:42 PM #36:	KiwiTerraRizing posted... Whats ridiculous is gun nuts claim to love the 2nd Amendment then have a list of shit that narrows the amendment they have no problem with. But to them its just common sense and they dont explain their hypocrisy. It's not hypocrisy at all... Trump is major target for potential assasination, you are not. If Trump is doing a dramatic public speech in an open area surrounded by strangers, you need tighter security. If you're at home eating cheetos and watching spongebob, if someone broke in with a pipe and wanted to rip your nipples off then rape you, you should be well within your rights (arguably) to own a firearm to protect yourself. Why is that difference difficult to understand? It's not the same scenario --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:900904881] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote><cite>KiwiTerraRizing posted...</cite> <quote> Whats ridiculous is gun nuts claim to love the 2nd Amendment then have a list of shit that narrows the amendment they have no problem with. But to them its just common sense and they dont explain their hypocrisy.</quote> It's not hypocrisy at all... Trump is major target for potential assasination, you are not. If Trump is doing a dramatic public speech in an open area surrounded by strangers, you need tighter security. If you're at home eating cheetos and watching spongebob, if someone broke in with a pipe and wanted to rip your nipples off then rape you, you should be well within your rights (arguably) to own a firearm to protect yourself. Why is that difference difficult to understand? It's not the same scenario</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 05/06/18 6:16:45 PM #37:	UnfairRepresent posted... It's not hypocrisy at all... Yes it is. Either gun free zones make people safer or they don't. If you think gun free zones don't make people safer than none of this justifies making a gun free zone: Trump is major target for potential assasination, you are not. If Trump is doing a dramatic public speech in an open area surrounded by strangers, you need tighter security. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:900904967] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>It's not hypocrisy at all...</quote> Yes it is. Either gun free zones make people safer or they don't. If you think gun free zones don't make people safer than none of this justifies making a gun free zone: <quote>Trump is major target for potential assasination, you are not. If Trump is doing a dramatic public speech in an open area surrounded by strangers, you need tighter security. </quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funbazooka 05/06/18 6:16:58 PM #38:	UnfairRepresent posted... KiwiTerraRizing posted... Whats ridiculous is gun nuts claim to love the 2nd Amendment then have a list of shit that narrows the amendment they have no problem with. But to them its just common sense and they dont explain their hypocrisy. It's not hypocrisy at all... Trump is major target for potential assasination, you are not. If Trump is doing a dramatic public speech in an open area surrounded by strangers, you need tighter security. If you're at home eating cheetos and watching spongebob, if someone broke in with a pipe and wanted to rip your nipples off then rape you, you should be well within your rights (arguably) to own a firearm to protect yourself. Why is that difference difficult to understand? It's not the same scenario https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5pESPQpXxE" data-time=" --- "Don't trade your authenticity for approval." -Kanye West <cite>Funbazooka posted [p:900904973] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KiwiTerraRizing posted...</cite> <quote> Whats ridiculous is gun nuts claim to love the 2nd Amendment then have a list of shit that narrows the amendment they have no problem with. But to them its just common sense and they dont explain their hypocrisy.</quote> It's not hypocrisy at all... Trump is major target for potential assasination, you are not. If Trump is doing a dramatic public speech in an open area surrounded by strangers, you need tighter security. If you're at home eating cheetos and watching spongebob, if someone broke in with a pipe and wanted to rip your nipples off then rape you, you should be well within your rights (arguably) to own a firearm to protect yourself. Why is that difference difficult to understand? It's not the same scenario</quote> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5pESPQpXxE" data-time="</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BalisticWarri0r 05/06/18 6:20:43 PM #39:	When I was in the Army, President Bush made a visit to our base. We ended up having a division pass and review for him. During drill and ceremony we walk by him in formation and salute him. We carry our weapons while we do this. Not only did secret service make everyone attending this event go through a metal detector, they also removed our bolts from our weapons and inspect them before going in. This is not a big deal. Fair. Next. <cite>BalisticWarri0r posted [p:900905155] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote>When I was in the Army, President Bush made a visit to our base. We ended up having a division pass and review for him. During drill and ceremony we walk by him in formation and salute him. We carry our weapons while we do this. Not only did secret service make everyone attending this event go through a metal detector, they also removed our bolts from our weapons and inspect them before going in. This is not a big deal. Fair. Next.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vicious_Dios 05/06/18 6:22:17 PM #40:	Smashingpmkns posted... Wouldn't be the first time a president had a bad time in Dallas tbh Too soon. --- S / K / Y / N / E Twitch/YouTube/GT: *Adzeta* <cite>Vicious_Dios posted [p:900905238] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote>Wouldn't be the first time a president had a bad time in Dallas tbh</quote> Too soon.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Polycosm 05/06/18 6:34:58 PM #41:	JE19426 posted... Either gun free zones make people safer or they don't. No, that's a false dichotomy and an oversimplification. The efficacy of a gun free zone depends on the context. Who's occupying the zone? For what purpose? Are security personnel excepted? If not, then how long does it take for first responders to arrive at that location? The answers to these questions are radically different for a Trump rally versus a rural public school. --- BKSheikah owned me so thoroughly in the 2017 guru contest, I'd swear he used the Lens of Truth to pick his bracket. (thengamer.com/guru) <cite>Polycosm posted [p:900905868] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote><cite>JE19426 posted...</cite> <quote>Either gun free zones make people safer or they don't.</quote> No, that's a false dichotomy and an oversimplification. The efficacy of a gun free zone depends on the context. Who's occupying the zone? For what purpose? Are security personnel excepted? If not, then how long does it take for first responders to arrive at that location? The answers to these questions are radically different for a Trump rally versus a rural public school.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 05/06/18 6:36:31 PM #42:	Polycosm posted... No, that's a false dichotomy No, it's not. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:900905937] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote><cite>Polycosm posted...</cite> <quote>No, that's a false dichotomy</quote> No, it's not.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funbazooka 05/06/18 6:37:41 PM #43:	You're not addressing anything JE. --- "Don't trade your authenticity for approval." -Kanye West <cite>Funbazooka posted [p:900905990] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote>You're not addressing anything JE.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
UnfairRepresent 05/06/18 6:38:19 PM #44:	Funbazooka posted... You're not addressing anything JE. He's a sigless user --- ^ Hey now that's completely unfair. https://imgtc.com/i/14JHfrt.jpg <cite>UnfairRepresent posted [p:900906018] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funbazooka posted...</cite> <quote>You're not addressing anything JE.</quote> He's a sigless user</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 05/06/18 6:39:02 PM #45:	Funbazooka posted... You're not addressing anything JE. I've addressed multiple things in this topic, you ignoring them doesn't change that. UnfairRepresent posted... He's a sigless user No, shit. <cite>JE19426 posted [p:900906049] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote><cite>Funbazooka posted...</cite> <quote>You're not addressing anything JE.</quote> I've addressed multiple things in this topic, you ignoring them doesn't change that. <cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote>He's a sigless user </quote> No, shit.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KiwiTerraRizing 05/06/18 6:55:47 PM #46:	UnfairRepresent posted... KiwiTerraRizing posted... Whats ridiculous is gun nuts claim to love the 2nd Amendment then have a list of shit that narrows the amendment they have no problem with. But to them its just common sense and they dont explain their hypocrisy. It's not hypocrisy at all... Trump is major target for potential assasination, you are not. If Trump is doing a dramatic public speech in an open area surrounded by strangers, you need tighter security. If you're at home eating cheetos and watching spongebob, if someone broke in with a pipe and wanted to rip your nipples off then rape you, you should be well within your rights (arguably) to own a firearm to protect yourself. Why is that difference difficult to understand? It's not the same scenario Were not discussing your nipple rape fantasies and the issue is PUBLIC areas. Why is a public area safer when everyone is armed everywhere else except where Donald Trump is there? --- The FAM <cite>KiwiTerraRizing posted [p:900906816] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KiwiTerraRizing posted...</cite> <quote> Whats ridiculous is gun nuts claim to love the 2nd Amendment then have a list of shit that narrows the amendment they have no problem with. But to them its just common sense and they dont explain their hypocrisy.</quote> It's not hypocrisy at all... Trump is major target for potential assasination, you are not. If Trump is doing a dramatic public speech in an open area surrounded by strangers, you need tighter security. If you're at home eating cheetos and watching spongebob, if someone broke in with a pipe and wanted to rip your nipples off then rape you, you should be well within your rights (arguably) to own a firearm to protect yourself. Why is that difference difficult to understand? It's not the same scenario</quote> Were not discussing your nipple rape fantasies and the issue is PUBLIC areas. Why is a public area safer when everyone is armed everywhere else except where Donald Trump is there?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hockeybub89 05/06/18 6:56:36 PM #47:	The Secret Service is there to protect the President. How am I supposed to protect myself if the shooter attacks me? Trust the government to protect me? If I had a gun, I could protect myself far quicker than the cops. I lose my inalienable right to defend myself if someone more important than me exists in the vicinity? --- http://card.psnprofiles.com/1/NIR_Hockey.png http://www.last.fm/user/hockeybub89/ <cite>hockeybub89 posted [p:900906855] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote>The Secret Service is there to protect the President. How am I supposed to protect myself if the shooter attacks me? Trust the government to protect me? If I had a gun, I could protect myself far quicker than the cops. I lose my inalienable right to defend myself if someone more important than me exists in the vicinity?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
A_Good_Boy 05/06/18 6:58:59 PM #48:	KiwiTerraRizing posted... UnfairRepresent posted... KiwiTerraRizing posted... Whats ridiculous is gun nuts claim to love the 2nd Amendment then have a list of shit that narrows the amendment they have no problem with. But to them its just common sense and they dont explain their hypocrisy. It's not hypocrisy at all... Trump is major target for potential assasination, you are not. If Trump is doing a dramatic public speech in an open area surrounded by strangers, you need tighter security. If you're at home eating cheetos and watching spongebob, if someone broke in with a pipe and wanted to rip your nipples off then rape you, you should be well within your rights (arguably) to own a firearm to protect yourself. Why is that difference difficult to understand? It's not the same scenario Were not discussing your nipple rape fantasies and the issue is PUBLIC areas. Why is a public area safer when everyone is armed everywhere else except where Donald Trump is there? Because nobody actually believes that nonsense about good guys with guns. --- Who is? I am! <cite>A_Good_Boy posted [p:900906977] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote><cite>KiwiTerraRizing posted...</cite> <quote><cite>UnfairRepresent posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KiwiTerraRizing posted...</cite> <quote> Whats ridiculous is gun nuts claim to love the 2nd Amendment then have a list of shit that narrows the amendment they have no problem with. But to them its just common sense and they dont explain their hypocrisy.</quote> It's not hypocrisy at all... Trump is major target for potential assasination, you are not. If Trump is doing a dramatic public speech in an open area surrounded by strangers, you need tighter security. If you're at home eating cheetos and watching spongebob, if someone broke in with a pipe and wanted to rip your nipples off then rape you, you should be well within your rights (arguably) to own a firearm to protect yourself. Why is that difference difficult to understand? It's not the same scenario</quote> Were not discussing your nipple rape fantasies and the issue is PUBLIC areas. Why is a public area safer when everyone is armed everywhere else except where Donald Trump is there?</quote> Because nobody actually believes that nonsense about good guys with guns.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Patchwork 05/06/18 10:20:04 PM #49:	BalisticWarri0r posted... When I was in the Army, President Bush made a visit to our base. We ended up having a division pass and review for him. During drill and ceremony we walk by him in formation and salute him. We carry our weapons while we do this. Not only did secret service make everyone attending this event go through a metal detector, they also removed our bolts from our weapons and inspect them before going in. This is not a big deal. Fair. Next. Like I said, the secret service does not fuck around. That's not a battle you want to pick, as the NRA or anyone. --- The mind is its own place, and in itself Can make a heav'n of hell, a hell of heav'n. <cite>Patchwork posted [p:900917831] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote><cite>BalisticWarri0r posted...</cite> <quote>When I was in the Army, President Bush made a visit to our base. We ended up having a division pass and review for him. During drill and ceremony we walk by him in formation and salute him. We carry our weapons while we do this. Not only did secret service make everyone attending this event go through a metal detector, they also removed our bolts from our weapons and inspect them before going in. This is not a big deal. Fair. Next.</quote> Like I said, the secret service does not fuck around. That's not a battle you want to pick, as the NRA or anyone.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JE19426 05/07/18 12:07:57 AM #50:	Patchwork posted... Like I said, the secret service does not fuck around. That's not a battle you want to pick, as the NRA or anyone. Why not? What are they going to do? <cite>JE19426 posted [p:900923249] in Why did th... [t:76581846]...</cite> <quote><cite>Patchwork posted...</cite> <quote>Like I said, the secret service does not fuck around. That's not a battle you want to pick, as the NRA or anyone. </quote> Why not? What are they going to do?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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