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frozenshock
03/31/18 9:41:54 AM
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https://www.cnn.com/2017/09/21/us/police-shoot-deaf-man-oklahoma-city-trnd/index.html

This is pretty harsh stuff.
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Chicken
03/31/18 9:43:18 AM
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Thats why you listen to police.
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SSJCAT
03/31/18 9:44:30 AM
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Whenever
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YOUHAVENOHOPE
03/31/18 9:44:50 AM
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ChouBF
03/31/18 9:56:03 AM
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Well here's a fucking novel idea - Don't walk towards the police while holding a weapon.
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averagejoel
03/31/18 10:12:14 AM
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legally? basically whenever they want

morally? never
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Uncle Choad
03/31/18 10:13:02 AM
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Who even leaves the house anymore?
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sLaCkEr408___RJ
03/31/18 10:13:13 AM
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ChouBF posted...
Well here's a fucking novel idea - Don't walk towards the police while holding a weapon.

Or run. They'll shoot you in the back.
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Patchwork
03/31/18 10:14:54 AM
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Unnecessary shooting.

And to answer your question:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/10/1047.7

CFR Title 10 Chapter X Part 1047 Section 1047.7
10 CFR 1047.7 - Use of deadly force.
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1047.7 Use of deadly force.
(a) Deadly force means that force which a reasonable person would consider likely to cause death or serious bodily harm. Its use may be justified only under conditions of extreme necessity, when all lesser means have failed or cannot reasonably be employed. A protective force officer is authorized to use deadly force only when one or more of the following circumstances exists:

(1)Self-Defense. When deadly force reasonably appears to be necessary to protect a protective force officer who reasonably believes himself or herself to be in imminent danger of death or serious bodily harm.

(2)Serious offenses against persons. When deadly force reasonably appears to be necessary to prevent the commission of a serious offense against a person(s) in circumstances presenting an imminent danger of death or serious bodily harm (e.g. sabotage of an occupied facility by explosives).

(3)Nuclear weapons or nuclear explosive devices. When deadly force reasonably appears to be necessary to prevent the theft, sabotage, or unauthorized control of a nuclear weapon or nuclear explosive device.

(4)Special nuclear material. When deadly force reasonably appears to be necessary to prevent the theft, sabotage, or unauthorized control of special nuclear material from an area of a fixed site or from a shipment where Category II or greater quantities are known or reasonably believed to be present.

(5)Apprehension. When deadly force reasonably appears to be necessary to apprehend or prevent the escape of a person reasonably believed to: (i) have committed an offense of the nature specified in paragraphs (a)(1) through (a)(4) 1 of this section; or (ii) be escaping by use of a weapon or explosive or who otherwise indicates that he or she poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the protective force officer or others unless apprehended without delay.

1 These offenses are considered by the Department of Energy to pose a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm.
(b)Additional Considerations Involving Firearms. If it becomes necessary to use a firearm, the following precautions shall be observed:

(1) A warning, e.g. an order to halt, shall be given, if feasible, before a shot is fired.

(2) Warning shots shall not be fired.

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DarkChozoGhost
03/31/18 10:18:20 AM
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About 20% of the time they use it it's justified.
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Ararararagi
03/31/18 10:22:20 AM
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sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...
ChouBF posted...
Well here's a fucking novel idea - Don't walk towards the police while holding a weapon.

Or run. They'll shoot you in the back.

With your back to the officer (s), drop to your knees, raise your arms, and let them approach you.
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Southernfatman
03/31/18 10:25:07 AM
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Whenever they want. More people need to realize that cops have a license to kill and can murder you any time for any reason as long as they say "I felt my life was in danger." People will say that's an overreaction, but it's not. It's true.
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DarkChozoGhost
03/31/18 11:03:43 AM
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Ararararagi posted...
sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...
ChouBF posted...
Well here's a fucking novel idea - Don't walk towards the police while holding a weapon.

Or run. They'll shoot you in the back.

With your back to the officer (s), drop to your knees, raise your arms, and let them approach you.

Which sometimes still results in getting shot
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TheVipaGTS
03/31/18 11:06:30 AM
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Ararararagi posted...
sLaCkEr408___RJ posted...
ChouBF posted...
Well here's a fucking novel idea - Don't walk towards the police while holding a weapon.

Or run. They'll shoot you in the back.

With your back to the officer (s), drop to your knees, raise your arms, and let them approach you.

nah they'll just tell you to crawl towards them and shoot you when you don't crawl "right".
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Ararararagi
03/31/18 11:11:14 AM
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TheVipaGTS posted...
nah they'll just tell you to crawl towards them and shoot you when you don't crawl "right".

I'd rather take disobeying officer orders charges than risk losing my life tbqh.
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Nomadic View
03/31/18 11:12:28 AM
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Patchwork posted...
Unnecessary shooting.

And to answer your question:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/10/1047.7

CFR Title 10 Chapter X Part 1047 Section 1047.7
10 CFR 1047.7 - Use of deadly force.
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1047.7 Use of deadly force.
(a) Deadly force means that force which a reasonable person would consider likely to cause death or serious bodily harm. Its use may be justified only under conditions of extreme necessity, when all lesser means have failed or cannot reasonably be employed. A protective force officer is authorized to use deadly force only when one or more of the following circumstances exists:

(1)Self-Defense. When deadly force reasonably appears to be necessary to protect a protective force officer who reasonably believes himself or herself to be in imminent danger of death or serious bodily harm.

(2)Serious offenses against persons. When deadly force reasonably appears to be necessary to prevent the commission of a serious offense against a person(s) in circumstances presenting an imminent danger of death or serious bodily harm (e.g. sabotage of an occupied facility by explosives).

(3)Nuclear weapons or nuclear explosive devices. When deadly force reasonably appears to be necessary to prevent the theft, sabotage, or unauthorized control of a nuclear weapon or nuclear explosive device.

(4)Special nuclear material. When deadly force reasonably appears to be necessary to prevent the theft, sabotage, or unauthorized control of special nuclear material from an area of a fixed site or from a shipment where Category II or greater quantities are known or reasonably believed to be present.

(5)Apprehension. When deadly force reasonably appears to be necessary to apprehend or prevent the escape of a person reasonably believed to: (i) have committed an offense of the nature specified in paragraphs (a)(1) through (a)(4) 1 of this section; or (ii) be escaping by use of a weapon or explosive or who otherwise indicates that he or she poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the protective force officer or others unless apprehended without delay.

1 These offenses are considered by the Department of Energy to pose a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm.
(b)Additional Considerations Involving Firearms. If it becomes necessary to use a firearm, the following precautions shall be observed:

(1) A warning, e.g. an order to halt, shall be given, if feasible, before a shot is fired.

(2) Warning shots shall not be fired.


Lets all ignore this and instead parrot what we heard Don Lemon say on CNN.
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DarkChozoGhost
03/31/18 11:12:42 AM
#17:


Ararararagi posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
nah they'll just tell you to crawl towards them and shoot you when you don't crawl "right".

I'd rather take disobeying officer orders charges than risk losing my life tbqh.

You're shot either way
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Ararararagi
03/31/18 11:17:27 AM
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Damn bruh
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TheVipaGTS
03/31/18 11:18:01 AM
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Ararararagi posted...
TheVipaGTS posted...
nah they'll just tell you to crawl towards them and shoot you when you don't crawl "right".

I'd rather take disobeying officer orders charges than risk losing my life tbqh.

people have been shot either way. the truth is no matter what the rules or guidelines say, we've seen time and time again that they're able to make up the rules as they go, claim it was out of "fear", and no one will question it. That's the bull shit people are trying to stand up against.

The incident I'm specifically talking about is the case of Daniel Shaver. They had him on the ground with his hands up. they didn't just go up and apprehend him. they told him to crawl towards them. they wanted him to crawl in a way that caused his shorts to slip off of him so he was shot as he was trying to crawl and keep his pants up at the same time. He was shot and the officer was acquitted. Should it even have gotten to the point where he was asked to crawl like that?
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Patchwork
03/31/18 11:31:03 AM
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Nomadic View posted...
Patchwork posted...
Unnecessary shooting.

And to answer your question:

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/10/1047.7

CFR Title 10 Chapter X Part 1047 Section 1047.7
10 CFR 1047.7 - Use of deadly force.
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1047.7 Use of deadly force.
(a) Deadly force means that force which a reasonable person would consider likely to cause death or serious bodily harm. Its use may be justified only under conditions of extreme necessity, when all lesser means have failed or cannot reasonably be employed. A protective force officer is authorized to use deadly force only when one or more of the following circumstances exists:

(1)Self-Defense. When deadly force reasonably appears to be necessary to protect a protective force officer who reasonably believes himself or herself to be in imminent danger of death or serious bodily harm.

(2)Serious offenses against persons. When deadly force reasonably appears to be necessary to prevent the commission of a serious offense against a person(s) in circumstances presenting an imminent danger of death or serious bodily harm (e.g. sabotage of an occupied facility by explosives).

(3)Nuclear weapons or nuclear explosive devices. When deadly force reasonably appears to be necessary to prevent the theft, sabotage, or unauthorized control of a nuclear weapon or nuclear explosive device.

(4)Special nuclear material. When deadly force reasonably appears to be necessary to prevent the theft, sabotage, or unauthorized control of special nuclear material from an area of a fixed site or from a shipment where Category II or greater quantities are known or reasonably believed to be present.

(5)Apprehension. When deadly force reasonably appears to be necessary to apprehend or prevent the escape of a person reasonably believed to: (i) have committed an offense of the nature specified in paragraphs (a)(1) through (a)(4) 1 of this section; or (ii) be escaping by use of a weapon or explosive or who otherwise indicates that he or she poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the protective force officer or others unless apprehended without delay.

1 These offenses are considered by the Department of Energy to pose a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm.
(b)Additional Considerations Involving Firearms. If it becomes necessary to use a firearm, the following precautions shall be observed:

(1) A warning, e.g. an order to halt, shall be given, if feasible, before a shot is fired.

(2) Warning shots shall not be fired.


Lets all ignore this and instead parrot what we heard Don Lemon say on CNN.


I get ignored most of the time when I post these things; I didn't expect much else from the CE crowd.
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