Current Events > Kingdom Come Deliverance is the best RPG I've played in years...

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Holy shit

Its a little buggy but nothing that I found that even remotely interrupted my experience.

Dude this is a game that makes you rethink how you play video games. You ever try to immerse yourself in a game and get burnt out because the AI or the systems are just stilted in a way that makes you feel as if you dont have any affect on the world?

KCD is a game that immerses you in ways Ive never seen in a game. Not just because of how good the graphics are, not just because the story is super rich and engaging. But also because the attention to detail and how it rewards you as a player for paying attention.

In most games theres a divide between gameplay, world and story, theres an abitrary line that you end up rubbing against when your character can do x and y in gameplay and suddenly is useless in a cutscene. Or vice versa, suddenly your character is doing all these things you would never be able to do yourself.

I dont know if I could ever go back to an Elder Scrolls game, this one has ruined my expectations.
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I'd get it if it's save system wasn't ass. I don't always have a lot of time to game.
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They made actual skills harder to learn in game than to actually learn in real life.
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pres_madagascar posted...

I'd get it if it's save system wasn't ass. I don't always have a lot of time to game.

You can just download something and put it in your kingdom come folder. Makes it so you can save without the stupid alcohol item.
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So it's a deeper, more rewarding Skyrim. The UI definitely makes me feel like TES. I'll have to check it out.
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miss me with that eurojank shit
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Must not have played many RPG's.
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Alucard188 posted...

So it's a deeper, more rewarding Skyrim. The UI definitely makes me feel like TES. I'll have to check it out.

Reminds me more of oblivion, with the UI and setting.

But sooooooooooo much deeper. I dont know what ES6 is going to bring, but I guarantee they wont be able to compete with the experience that Kingdom Come...delivers...
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OpShaft posted...

pres_madagascar posted...

I'd get it if it's save system wasn't ass. I don't always have a lot of time to game.

You can just download something and put it in your kingdom come folder. Makes it so you can save without the stupid alcohol item.

I only have ps4 lol
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Save system is a little silly. Last night I kept the game running because I didnt know how soon I would be able to save, didnt want to waste an item and also dont want to lose any progress.

But also...I kind of really like it in a weird way too

I like how theres more accountably in your actions and it really affects your play style. Im terrible for just reloading saves if I mess up in any way. I could put those restrictions on myself arbitrarily...but my actions still dont feel all that weighty because its all manufactured in my head.
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SwayM posted...

Save system is a little silly. Last night I kept the game running because I didnt know how soon I would be able to save, didnt want to waste an item and also dont want to lose any progress.

But also...I kind of really like it in a weird way too

I like how theres more accountably in your actions and it really affects your play style. Im terrible for just reloading saves if I mess up in any way. I could put those restrictions on myself arbitrarily...but my actions still dont feel all that weighty because its all manufactured in my head.

You can make Savior Schnapps using alchemy. You need one Nettle and two Belladonna for each potion.
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Still not as good as gothic 1/2 but still better than 99% of open world games today
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I bought it at launch, still haven't popped it in yet. Hear nothing but good things aside from bugs/performance issues.

I think its neigh impossible to make an open world game in the scope and scale of todays AAA market and not be riddled with bugs.

Unless you keep it on the burner forever.
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It really is special and you have to play it yourself to understand what makes it so different.
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The problem is I don't want a history lesson, I want to fight mythical beasts and monsters and such.
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Itachi157 posted...

I bought it at launch, still haven't popped it in yet. Hear nothing but good things aside from bugs/performance issues.

I thought the game was buggy at first too, until I realized it wasn't, and it was just idiots saying it was. The game is less buggy than when Skyrim launched. Its just casuals that fail to comprehend that the game is different than what they're use to playing.
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I've been on the fence. I feel like it will drop in price in a month or two and I have enough at the moment to keep myself occupied.
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SwayM posted...

I think its neigh impossible to make an open world game in the scope and scale of todays AAA market and not be riddled with bugs.

Unless you keep it on the burner forever.

Pretty much. Witcher 3 wasnt fully functional on consoles until 6 months after launch.
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BarneyBosco posted...

Itachi157 posted...

I bought it at launch, still haven't popped it in yet. Hear nothing but good things aside from bugs/performance issues.

I thought the game was buggy at first too, until I realized it wasn't, and it was just idiots saying it was. The game is less buggy than when Skyrim launched. Its just casuals that fail to comprehend that the game is different than what they're use to playing.

Hahahahaha.

Yes, because Skyrim had a quest that causes an infinite load screen, right? This game sure as shit does.
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SwayM posted...

Save system is a little silly. Last night I kept the game running because I didnt know how soon I would be able to save, didnt want to waste an item and also dont want to lose any progress.

But also...I kind of really like it in a weird way too

I like how theres more accountably in your actions and it really affects your play style. Im terrible for just reloading saves if I mess up in any way. I could put those restrictions on myself arbitrarily...but my actions still dont feel all that weighty because its all manufactured in my head.

It's not the accountability I don't like. It's the sometimes I only have an hour to play and don't want to lose progress that bothers me.
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SwayM posted...

KCD is a game that immerses you in ways Ive never seen in a game. Not just because of how good the graphics are, not just because the story is super rich and engaging. But also because the attention to detail and how it rewards you as a player for paying attention.

In most games theres a divide between gameplay, world and story, theres an abitrary line that you end up rubbing against when your character can do x and y in gameplay and suddenly is useless in a cutscene. Or vice versa, suddenly your character is doing all these things you would never be able to do yourself.

I like the way you described why you appreciate this game. Hmm, its making me really consider getting it now.
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jumi posted...

BarneyBosco posted...

Itachi157 posted...

I bought it at launch, still haven't popped it in yet. Hear nothing but good things aside from bugs/performance issues.

I thought the game was buggy at first too, until I realized it wasn't, and it was just idiots saying it was. The game is less buggy than when Skyrim launched. Its just casuals that fail to comprehend that the game is different than what they're use to playing.

Hahahahaha.

Yes, because Skyrim had a quest that causes an infinite load screen, right? This game sure as shit does.

Google "Skyrim Infinite Load Screen" real quick.
It was a huge issue at launch and there were a massive amount of mods that tried to deal with it.

Now Google "Skyrim game breaking bug", or "Skyrim quest bug" and notice the similarly huge amount of hits.
I mean, there are even top 10 lists and shit on YouTube.

Skyrim is a massively broken game, don't kid yourself.
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jumi posted...

BarneyBosco posted...

Itachi157 posted...

I bought it at launch, still haven't popped it in yet. Hear nothing but good things aside from bugs/performance issues.

I thought the game was buggy at first too, until I realized it wasn't, and it was just idiots saying it was. The game is less buggy than when Skyrim launched. Its just casuals that fail to comprehend that the game is different than what they're use to playing.

Hahahahaha.

Yes, because Skyrim had a quest that causes an infinite load screen, right? This game sure as shit does.

Um.. it did. Not trolling. Skyrim really had this exact same issue.
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Can you even play a female character?

TheMarthKoopa posted...

Can you even play a female character?

You are creepy
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MabusIncarnate posted...

You are creepy

Can't be a good game if it's sexist garbage

MabusIncarnate posted...

TheMarthKoopa posted...

Can you even play a female character?

You are creepy

Wait, can you not? All I hear about is how deep it is.
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TheMarthKoopa posted...

MabusIncarnate posted...

You are creepy

Can't be a good game if it's sexist garbage

Smh
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MabusIncarnate posted...

Smh

Female characters in the game become irrelevant after you have sex with them

Game was made by disgusting trash

TheMarthKoopa posted...

MabusIncarnate posted...

Smh

Female characters in the game become irrelevant after you have sex with them

Game was made by disgusting trash

k
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Also

If youre tired of the one true saviour troppe this is the game for you.

You aint shit. Youre not destined to become shit. Youre just a dude.

And hey, you can still tell an awesome fucking story without making the main character be someone special.
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Alucard188 posted...

So it's a deeper, more rewarding Skyrim

So Morrowind?
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Morrowind plays like ass
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SwayM posted...

Morrowind plays like ass

So it is just like Kingdom Come.
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Take the nostalgia goggles off and come back down to reality
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SwayM posted...

Take the nostalgia goggles off and come back down to reality

Sure, it looks like ass, can be slow starting out, and unless you know what you're doing you'll die pretty fast. But, really, that's Kingdom Come in all but the first area.
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Morrowind was a great game for the time and has a lot of depth to it that is sorely missed in todays market

But it does not play well my dude

No matter how many mods you try to pump into it the janky ass combat never gets any better. Characters have a lot of depth yet are completely lifeless, they just stand there to dispense dialogue or die. It has the most interesting world, and geography of any ES game yet but nothing really happens.

KCD is what the Morrowind team would make with todays technology, I think.
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SwayM posted...

But it does not play well my dude

You're getting it.
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JustMonika posted...

SwayM posted...

But it does not play well my dude

You're getting it.

Youre not gonna troll me into having bad opinions.
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SwayM posted...

Morrowind's still a great game, it didn't stop being one. Just because technology made for better looking games didn't mean they became better role playing games. Look at Oblivion and Skyrim: impressive looking games, with more of a "living world," but with the depth of a puddle, really. Contrast to Morrowind which has some of the most impressive built in lore, incredibly unique geography, a story that is honestly more interesting than Oblivion or Skyrim's, and loot and levels that were designed and placed entirely by hand. So NPCs don't have a daily schedule. I'm fine with that, when there's so much other great stuff about Morrowind.

And, I know the combat is always such a major complaint from people but I don't see why you're complaining about role playing in a role playing game. You have to work to be able to wield a weapon well, you can't just expect to swing a sword and know how to use it. Even Kingdom Come explicitly and clearly demonstrates this in the opening minutes.
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I'm enjoying it, but it has some glaring flaws.

It is a complete buggy mess. Like not even a 'oh, that's annoying'. I've had multiple sidequests just break on me. At one point, I was tasked with taking out a Cuman camp. I did it stealth, but forgot to loot the captain for the mask I had to turn in. So I went back and the captain was gone and two new Cumans had appeared. I took them out and just wandered around.

Then I heard shouting in English, so I head to the noise and there was three bandits walking around in circles. I stealth killed them. Then noticed a guard and a Cuman sitting back to back, in the middle of a road, in the forest. So I killed them too. Still no captain.

In another case, a geeky knight showed up telling me how his mom pushed him out of the house to be a knight. I convinced him to go for the whole virgin rescue first. Cool. Then I ran into him again, and we both introduced ourselves. He challenged me to a duel, so I dueled him for his shirt. Then it happened again, and I won is money. Then again, and I challenged him for his sword. Halfway through, he yells in Turkish and Henry OHKO'd him and kills him, so I loot his body (which marks the sword I won as stolen). Then he showed up again ...

Other than that, the story is awful. It's literally just the most stereotypical Middle Age story I've ever seen, down to the peasant boy who is orphaned by an invading army and the nice noble who takes pity on him and shirks convention to allow him into the upper echelons of noble society. Honestly, I'm disappointed. Even worse are the women. They all just sort of exist for you to do chores for them and then bang them.

I also find the whole 'historically accurate' thing is pretty ridiculous. Yes, the armor and weapons are cool, but the game just ignores a lot of historical stuff in favor of gameplay. That's fine, but don't sell me 'historically accurate' and deliver me Czech peasants speaking in Shakespearean English.

The wait times are also ridiculous. Fast travel is barely faster than actually walking, and sleeping takes literal minutes. I actually browse Reddit while I fast travel or sleep.

All in all, it's a decent game, but it's got some really bad flaws that I feel like people are ignoring in order to focus purely on the how the bugs will all be 'ironed out in the future'.

Dash_Harber posted...

They all just sort of exist for you to do chores for them and then bang them.

Wasn't this made by an alt-righter?
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JustMonika posted...

Dash_Harber posted...

They all just sort of exist for you to do chores for them and then bang them.

Wasn't this made by an alt-righter?

I'm not sure, but I think I've met four named women so far, I did quests for two of them resulting in banging, one ran a whorehouse, and the last one was literally only named 'old whore' and made me steal shit for her because her husband threw her out for another woman (who she then murdered).

Yes. As RPGs go theres few that worldbuild like MW.

I just cant play it by todays standards. I have to lean on my imagination to get immersed in the game and make up for where the gameplay/technology lacks.

Ive put many hours into it and enjoyed it and wouldnt turn anyone against playing it but for my money Id rather just play something that has the depth but also the technology to realize the world, characters, and gameplay to their fullest.
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SwayM posted...

Yes. As RPGs go theres few that worldbuild like MW.

I just cant play it by todays standards. I have to lean on my imagination to get immersed in the game and make up for where the gameplay/technology lacks.

Ive put many hours into it and enjoyed it and wouldnt turn anyone against playing it but for my money Id rather just play something that has the depth but also the technology to realize the world, characters, and gameplay to their fullest.

Kingdom Come might be that, then. I've had my eye on it, and want to pick it up, but I know it's had a really rough launch and I'd rather wait for things to get patched.
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EverDownward posted...

SwayM posted...

Yes. As RPGs go theres few that worldbuild like MW.

I just cant play it by todays standards. I have to lean on my imagination to get immersed in the game and make up for where the gameplay/technology lacks.

Ive put many hours into it and enjoyed it and wouldnt turn anyone against playing it but for my money Id rather just play something that has the depth but also the technology to realize the world, characters, and gameplay to their fullest.

Kingdom Come might be that, then. I've had my eye on it, and want to pick it up, but I know it's had a really rough launch and I'd rather wait for things to get patched.

I'd also suggest keeping your expectations in check. As I said, the story is lackluster and there are some weird design choices that are pretty alienating to many players. For example, the save system only allows you to save when you sleep in an owned bed, or consume expensive liquor that makes you drunk.

Definitely keep it on your radar.

Itll only get better with time, but from the bits and pieces I heard about it, it was something I had to play. And boy was I right.
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SwayM posted...

Morrowind was a great game for the time and has a lot of depth to it that is sorely missed in todays market

But it does not play well my dude

No matter how many mods you try to pump into it the janky ass combat never gets any better. Characters have a lot of depth yet are completely lifeless, they just stand there to dispense dialogue or die. It has the most interesting world, and geography of any ES game yet but nothing really happens.

KCD is what the Morrowind team would make with todays technology, I think.

Fun fact, the morrowind xpac for ESO is so faithful to the original that it's worth playing just as a single player experience if you can get it on sale.
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