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FLUFFYGERM 02/23/18 12:41:56 AM #103:	nah youll see tomorrow that when you lay out all the numbers the way i do, i dont lie about anything at all in fact the way i do it is the only honest way to do it, since it breaks everything down by category and allows for far more granular conversation --- Do good. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:896604350] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote>nah youll see tomorrow that when you lay out all the numbers the way i do, i dont lie about anything at all in fact the way i do it is the only honest way to do it, since it breaks everything down by category and allows for far more granular conversation</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
foreveraIone 02/23/18 12:43:31 AM #104:	KingCrabCake posted... foreveraIone posted... KingCrabCake posted... KingCrabCake posted... So no we cant implement their immigration policy? What about their policy towards criminals? And can we force everyone to have one culture too? ? No? I mean. their immigration policy is a reason why they are declining while the US is still growing as an economy. compare the Japanese economy back in the 80s as a percentage of the world gdp. it was insane. Their immigration policy also is why they have basically 1 culture and low gun violence and basically little relevance or future. that might work if you are ok with your country being a "middle power" but the USA will get slapped the shit out of by larger nations like China and India sooner than later. --- http://i.imgtc.com/qieELu9.jpg Always. Edgy. <cite>foreveraIone posted [p:896604417] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>foreveraIone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote><cite>KingCrabCake posted...</cite> <quote>So no we cant implement their immigration policy? What about their policy towards criminals? And can we force everyone to have one culture too? ? No?</quote></quote> I mean. their immigration policy is a reason why they are declining while the US is still growing as an economy. compare the Japanese economy back in the 80s as a percentage of the world gdp. it was insane.</quote> Their immigration policy also is why they have basically 1 culture and low gun violence</quote> and basically little relevance or future. that might work if you are ok with your country being a "middle power" but the USA will get slapped the shit out of by larger nations like China and India sooner than later.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 02/23/18 12:44:20 AM #105:	FLUFFYGERM posted... nah youll see tomorrow that when you lay out all the numbers the way i do, i dont lie about anything at all in fact the way i do it is the only honest way to do it, since it breaks everything down by category and allows for far more granular conversation Any possible metric you apply will also need to be applied to other countries so they can be compared. That's all this topic is. Comparing gun deaths to other countries. Considering you started off by omitting that the suicides in France and Japan didn't involve guns isn't a good start. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:896604457] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>nah youll see tomorrow that when you lay out all the numbers the way i do, i dont lie about anything at all in fact the way i do it is the only honest way to do it, since it breaks everything down by category and allows for far more granular conversation</quote> Any possible metric you apply will also need to be applied to other countries so they can be compared. That's all this topic is. Comparing gun deaths to other countries. Considering you started off by omitting that the suicides in France and Japan didn't involve guns isn't a good start.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 02/23/18 12:44:25 AM #106:	FLUFFYGERM posted... nah youll see tomorrow that when you lay out all the numbers the way i do, i dont lie about anything at all in fact the way i do it is the only honest way to do it, since it breaks everything down by category and allows for far more granular conversation And that would be great. But that would also be different than what you've been doing in this thread so far, which is suggesting that certain types of gun-related deaths shouldn't be included in the total number of gun-related deaths. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:896604460] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>nah youll see tomorrow that when you lay out all the numbers the way i do, i dont lie about anything at all in fact the way i do it is the only honest way to do it, since it breaks everything down by category and allows for far more granular conversation</quote> And that would be great. But that would also be different than what you've been doing in this thread so far, which is suggesting that certain types of gun-related deaths shouldn't be included in the total number of gun-related deaths.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 02/23/18 12:45:59 AM #107:	Dragonblade01 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... nah youll see tomorrow that when you lay out all the numbers the way i do, i dont lie about anything at all in fact the way i do it is the only honest way to do it, since it breaks everything down by category and allows for far more granular conversation And that would be great. But that would also be different than what you've been doing in this thread so far, which is suggesting that certain types of gun-related deaths shouldn't be included in the total number of gun-related deaths. uh no im saying gun deaths is vacuous as a concept and we need to be specific and granular. especially when trying to describe america at large, since the broad category of "gun deaths" is demonstrably not applicable to america at large really fucking simple concept --- Do good. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:896604530] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>nah youll see tomorrow that when you lay out all the numbers the way i do, i dont lie about anything at all in fact the way i do it is the only honest way to do it, since it breaks everything down by category and allows for far more granular conversation</quote> And that would be great. But that would also be different than what you've been doing in this thread so far, which is suggesting that certain types of gun-related deaths shouldn't be included in the total number of gun-related deaths.</quote> uh no im saying gun deaths is vacuous as a concept and we need to be specific and granular. especially when trying to describe america at large, since the broad category of "gun deaths" is demonstrably not applicable to america at large really fucking simple concept</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 02/23/18 12:48:36 AM #108:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Dragonblade01 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... nah youll see tomorrow that when you lay out all the numbers the way i do, i dont lie about anything at all in fact the way i do it is the only honest way to do it, since it breaks everything down by category and allows for far more granular conversation And that would be great. But that would also be different than what you've been doing in this thread so far, which is suggesting that certain types of gun-related deaths shouldn't be included in the total number of gun-related deaths. uh no im saying gun deaths is vacuous as a concept and we need to be specific and granular. especially when trying to describe america at large, since the broad category of "gun deaths" is demonstrably not applicable to america at large really fucking simple concept If that's what you wanted to say, then you probably shouldn't lead with being offended that the numbers included incidents that weren't specifically mass shootings. And the only way that "gun deaths" is inapplicable to America is if they never happened, and there's no way you could ever suggest that. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:896604624] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>nah youll see tomorrow that when you lay out all the numbers the way i do, i dont lie about anything at all in fact the way i do it is the only honest way to do it, since it breaks everything down by category and allows for far more granular conversation</quote> And that would be great. But that would also be different than what you've been doing in this thread so far, which is suggesting that certain types of gun-related deaths shouldn't be included in the total number of gun-related deaths.</quote> uh no im saying gun deaths is vacuous as a concept and we need to be specific and granular. especially when trying to describe america at large, since the broad category of "gun deaths" is demonstrably not applicable to america at large really fucking simple concept</quote> If that's what you wanted to say, then you probably shouldn't lead with being offended that the numbers included incidents that weren't specifically mass shootings. And the only way that "gun deaths" is inapplicable to America is if they never happened, and there's no way you could ever suggest that.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 02/23/18 12:49:47 AM #109:	maybe looking at it this way will help the data tc is using can represent two things. "gun deaths" or "suicides" it's not 1:1 since not all gun deaths are suicides, but enough of them are suicides that you can use the same data to make two different types of claims when framing that same data as a matter of suicide, TC's attempted point becomes utterly stupid. so comparing "gun deaths" between countries is a dishonest way to try to make either a comparison or some argument about America --- Do good. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:896604684] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote>maybe looking at it this way will help the data tc is using can represent two things. "gun deaths" or "suicides" it's not 1:1 since not all gun deaths are suicides, but enough of them are suicides that you can use the same data to make two different types of claims when framing that same data as a matter of suicide, TC's attempted point becomes utterly stupid. so comparing "gun deaths" between countries is a dishonest way to try to make either a comparison or some argument about America</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 02/23/18 12:51:35 AM #110:	FLUFFYGERM posted... maybe looking at it this way will help the data tc is using can represent two things. "gun deaths" or "suicides" it's not 1:1 since not all gun deaths are suicides, but enough of them are suicides that you can use the same data to make two different types of claims when framing that same data as a matter of suicide, TC's attempted point becomes utterly stupid. so comparing "gun deaths" between countries is a dishonest way to try to make either a comparison or some argument about America Yes, when you talk about two different things, you're talking about two different things. I don't need you to explain a tautology to me. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:896604768] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>maybe looking at it this way will help the data tc is using can represent two things. "gun deaths" or "suicides" it's not 1:1 since not all gun deaths are suicides, but enough of them are suicides that you can use the same data to make two different types of claims when framing that same data as a matter of suicide, TC's attempted point becomes utterly stupid. so comparing "gun deaths" between countries is a dishonest way to try to make either a comparison or some argument about America</quote> Yes, when you talk about two different things, you're talking about two different things. I don't need you to explain a tautology to me.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
008Zulu 02/23/18 12:53:22 AM #111:	Complete_Idi0t posted... And how many bizarre insect that don't exist anywhere else in the world deaths have you had? For that same time period? Zero. --- Talent hits a target no one else can hit. Genius hits a target no one else can see. - Arthur Schopenhauer. <cite>008Zulu posted [p:896604823] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote><cite>Complete_Idi0t posted...</cite> <quote> And how many bizarre insect that don't exist anywhere else in the world deaths have you had?</quote> For that same time period? Zero.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLUFFYGERM 02/23/18 12:53:58 AM #112:	Dragonblade01 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... maybe looking at it this way will help the data tc is using can represent two things. "gun deaths" or "suicides" it's not 1:1 since not all gun deaths are suicides, but enough of them are suicides that you can use the same data to make two different types of claims when framing that same data as a matter of suicide, TC's attempted point becomes utterly stupid. so comparing "gun deaths" between countries is a dishonest way to try to make either a comparison or some argument about America Yes, when you talk about two different things, you're talking about two different things. I don't need you to explain a tautology to me. except we are talking about an overlap where the data TC is using is actually overwhelmingly categorized as SUICIDE you wouldnt look at this as talking about two different things tbqh. youd look at it as a miscategorization. what is happening with most of the numbers TC is relying on is suicide, and Japan is much worse with suicide than America is the same data basically makes TC look stupid if you realize this --- Do good. <cite>FLUFFYGERM posted [p:896604856] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>maybe looking at it this way will help the data tc is using can represent two things. "gun deaths" or "suicides" it's not 1:1 since not all gun deaths are suicides, but enough of them are suicides that you can use the same data to make two different types of claims when framing that same data as a matter of suicide, TC's attempted point becomes utterly stupid. so comparing "gun deaths" between countries is a dishonest way to try to make either a comparison or some argument about America</quote> Yes, when you talk about two different things, you're talking about two different things. I don't need you to explain a tautology to me.</quote> except we are talking about an overlap where the data TC is using is actually overwhelmingly categorized as SUICIDE you wouldnt look at this as talking about two different things tbqh. youd look at it as a miscategorization. what is happening with most of the numbers TC is relying on is suicide, and Japan is much worse with suicide than America is the same data basically makes TC look stupid if you realize this</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Darmik 02/23/18 12:57:49 AM #113:	The topic title is about gun deaths. Not gun homicides. Not mass shootings. Not homicides. Suicides being included isn't hidden. When it's restricted to gun homicides the statistics don't hold up much better. Same with just plain ol' homicides. So I'm not really sure why you're upset. --- Kind Regards, Darmik <cite>Darmik posted [p:896605028] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote>The topic title is about gun deaths. Not gun homicides. Not mass shootings. Not homicides. Suicides being included isn't hidden. When it's restricted to gun homicides the statistics don't hold up much better. Same with just plain ol' homicides. So I'm not really sure why you're upset.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragonblade01 02/23/18 1:01:57 AM #114:	FLUFFYGERM posted... Dragonblade01 posted... FLUFFYGERM posted... maybe looking at it this way will help the data tc is using can represent two things. "gun deaths" or "suicides" it's not 1:1 since not all gun deaths are suicides, but enough of them are suicides that you can use the same data to make two different types of claims when framing that same data as a matter of suicide, TC's attempted point becomes utterly stupid. so comparing "gun deaths" between countries is a dishonest way to try to make either a comparison or some argument about America Yes, when you talk about two different things, you're talking about two different things. I don't need you to explain a tautology to me. except we are talking about an overlap where the data TC is using is actually overwhelmingly categorized as SUICIDE you wouldnt look at this as talking about two different things tbqh. youd look at it as a miscategorization. what is happening with most of the numbers TC is relying on is suicide, and Japan is much worse with suicide than America is the same data basically makes TC look stupid if you realize this I mean, I'm not TC, so any specific claim that TC made he can defend himself. Regardless, I'm not convinced that this should be considered a miscategorization. What I see is a set of general data about the total number of gun-related deaths. Most of them may be suicides, but that doesn't change the fact that they are gun-related deaths. And so I don't see why it's miscategorized when it's simply the case that incidents happen to fit under multiple different sets of data. And this is why I find some of what you've said to be disingenuous. Because what you've said makes it sound like you think it's wrong to include suicides when talking about gun-related deaths, despite the fact that guns are absolutely a way that people commit suicide in America. I'm more than willing to agree that any greater discussion of something requires a deeper look into the details; but when the flow of conversation makes it sound like you don't think it's appropriate to include certain things that clearly involve the point of concern, it makes me question your motives. <cite>Dragonblade01 posted [p:896605200] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Dragonblade01 posted...</cite> <quote><cite>FLUFFYGERM posted...</cite> <quote>maybe looking at it this way will help the data tc is using can represent two things. "gun deaths" or "suicides" it's not 1:1 since not all gun deaths are suicides, but enough of them are suicides that you can use the same data to make two different types of claims when framing that same data as a matter of suicide, TC's attempted point becomes utterly stupid. so comparing "gun deaths" between countries is a dishonest way to try to make either a comparison or some argument about America</quote> Yes, when you talk about two different things, you're talking about two different things. I don't need you to explain a tautology to me.</quote> except we are talking about an overlap where the data TC is using is actually overwhelmingly categorized as SUICIDE you wouldnt look at this as talking about two different things tbqh. youd look at it as a miscategorization. what is happening with most of the numbers TC is relying on is suicide, and Japan is much worse with suicide than America is the same data basically makes TC look stupid if you realize this</quote> I mean, I'm not TC, so any specific claim that TC made he can defend himself. Regardless, I'm not convinced that this should be considered a miscategorization. What I see is a set of general data about the total number of gun-related deaths. Most of them may be suicides, but that doesn't change the fact that they are gun-related deaths. And so I don't see why it's miscategorized when it's simply the case that incidents happen to fit under multiple different sets of data. And this is why I find some of what you've said to be disingenuous. Because what you've said makes it sound like you think it's wrong to include suicides when talking about gun-related deaths, despite the fact that guns are absolutely a way that people commit suicide in America. I'm more than willing to agree that any greater discussion of something requires a deeper look into the details; but when the flow of conversation makes it sound like you don't think it's appropriate to include certain things that clearly involve the point of concern, it makes me question your motives.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DiegoSanchez206 02/23/18 1:13:37 AM #115:	I wonder what the results would be without Detroit, Chicago, NYC, and LA. --- Down goes Ohio State! https://youtu.be/IRqr8X6w6bo <cite>DiegoSanchez206 posted [p:896605701] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote>I wonder what the results would be without Detroit, Chicago, NYC, and LA.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ultimate reaver 02/23/18 1:30:43 AM #116:	i don't know where you're from fella but it's american gun culture for us to shoot each other and ourselves in the head and i'm not about to let you take that away from us --- butts <cite>ultimate reaver posted [p:896606316] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote>i don't know where you're from fella but it's american gun culture for us to shoot each other and ourselves in the head and i'm not about to let you take that away from us</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Onepunch-Man 02/23/18 1:57:47 AM #118:	How many murders are from shit like umbrellas and potted plants.? --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AADp5ujz81Y Ok <cite>Onepunch-Man posted [p:896607254] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote>How many murders are from shit like umbrellas and potted plants.?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheCyborgNinja 02/23/18 2:39:30 AM #120:	Japan also doesn't have a culture that... well... is like America's. --- "message parlor" ? do you mean the post office ? - SlayerX888 <cite>TheCyborgNinja posted [p:896608556] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote>Japan also doesn't have a culture that... well... is like America's.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
YOUHAVENOHOPE 02/23/18 2:41:25 AM #121:	American gun death statistics are always inflated by suicides by guns GUESS WHICH COUNTRY IN THIS TOPIC ALSO HAS A BIG SUICIDE PROBLEM --- http://i.imgur.com/kpXTakw.gif http://i.imgur.com/Pto3yPa.jpg http://media.giphy.com/media/NBVBnHv8bV13q/giphy.gif <cite>YOUHAVENOHOPE posted [p:896608609] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote>American gun death statistics are always inflated by suicides by guns GUESS WHICH COUNTRY IN THIS TOPIC ALSO HAS A BIG SUICIDE PROBLEM</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReignFury 02/23/18 3:14:49 AM #122:	CiIantro posted... The United States had over 15,000. Best country on earth? LMAO. http://www.businessinsider.com/gun-control-how-japan-has-almost-completely-eliminated-gun-deaths-2017-10 We need guns! More guns for everyone! --- MAKE WAKANDA GREAT AGAIN http://i.giftrunk.com/rv4b2c.gif <cite>ReignFury posted [p:896609460] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote>The United States had over 15,000. Best country on earth? LMAO. http://www.businessinsider.com/gun-control-how-japan-has-almost-completely-eliminated-gun-deaths-2017-10 </quote> We need guns! More guns for everyone!</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
APM 02/23/18 3:17:21 AM #123:	Well this country has a shit ton of those people and Japan is full of Japanese people. You really can't compare. --- https://imgur.com/a/9W9Yy <cite>APM posted [p:896609534] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote>Well this country has a shit ton of those people and Japan is full of Japanese people. You really can't compare.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HeyPuff 02/23/18 3:24:54 AM #124:	foreveraIone posted... Smashingpmkns posted... Glad we were able to be right behind a bunch of third world countries. well i guess trump was projecting when he talked about shitholes. Republicans, everybody. Dunno what to say, so they go to something else lol --- http://imgur.com/anVgnqe Hi, I'm puff_stinks/___ingGorilla http://imgur.com/YtOjPfY Taxin' that ass <cite>HeyPuff posted [p:896609725] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote><cite>foreveraIone posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Smashingpmkns posted...</cite> <quote> Glad we were able to be right behind a bunch of third world countries. </quote> well i guess trump was projecting when he talked about shitholes.</quote> Republicans, everybody. Dunno what to say, so they go to something else lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Barenziah Boy Toy 02/23/18 4:02:36 AM #125:	AvantgardeAClue posted... We also have WAY more people than Japan Are you not looking at the fucking chart that spells out deaths PER capita? --- You don't need a treaty to have free trade. M Rothbard {Self-Hating Token Asian of the Ivory Tower's Zionist Elite} <cite>Barenziah Boy Toy posted [p:896610587] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote><cite>AvantgardeAClue posted...</cite> <quote>We also have WAY more people than Japan</quote> Are you not looking at the fucking chart that spells out deaths PER capita?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
FLOUR 02/23/18 4:18:07 AM #126:	Great, that chart seems right in line with SSRI usage rate. Why does nobody want to tackle the REAL issue? Everyone here is in bed with big pharma and you know it! -- --- I'm gonna take this toilet lid sized hand and smack the tastes outta ya mouths. - Vinnie Vegas <cite>FLOUR posted [p:896610893] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote>Great, that chart seems right in line with SSRI usage rate. Why does nobody want to tackle the REAL issue? Everyone here is in bed with big pharma and you know it! --</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MaverickXeo 02/23/18 4:26:55 AM #127:	CiIantro posted... Milkman5 posted... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate America is rank 94 America is rank 11. Right between Uruguay and Montenegro. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate Firearm 'deaths' equals deaths by suicide as well, which does NOT lead to a 'gun problem' but a mental health problem. As mentioned, it can also mean 'accidental' deaths since it is only 'related' to firearms. 'Related' could also mean someone was killed in self defense, or that maybe the gun was a target of theft and the owner was killed for resisted, etc. In other words, its a really misleading statistic. --- --- MaverickXeo --- <cite>MaverickXeo posted [p:896611072] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Milkman5 posted...</cite> <quote>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate America is rank 94</quote> America is rank 11. Right between Uruguay and Montenegro. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate</quote> Firearm 'deaths' equals deaths by suicide as well, which does NOT lead to a 'gun problem' but a mental health problem. As mentioned, it can also mean 'accidental' deaths since it is only 'related' to firearms. 'Related' could also mean someone was killed in self defense, or that maybe the gun was a target of theft and the owner was killed for resisted, etc. In other words, its a really misleading statistic.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Barenziah Boy Toy 02/23/18 5:18:29 AM #128:	MaverickXeo posted... Firearm 'deaths' equals deaths by suicide as well, which does NOT lead to a 'gun problem' but a mental health problem. As mentioned, it can also mean 'accidental' deaths since it is only 'related' to firearms. 'Related' could also mean someone was killed in self defense, or that maybe the gun was a target of theft and the owner was killed for resisted, etc. No, because other countries attempt suicide at similar rates. The only difference is that gun nuts actually succeed in their attempts. --- You don't need a treaty to have free trade. M Rothbard {Self-Hating Token Asian of the Ivory Tower's Zionist Elite} <cite>Barenziah Boy Toy posted [p:896612067] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote><cite>MaverickXeo posted...</cite> <quote>Firearm 'deaths' equals deaths by suicide as well, which does NOT lead to a 'gun problem' but a mental health problem. As mentioned, it can also mean 'accidental' deaths since it is only 'related' to firearms. 'Related' could also mean someone was killed in self defense, or that maybe the gun was a target of theft and the owner was killed for resisted, etc.</quote> No, because other countries attempt suicide at similar rates. The only difference is that gun nuts actually succeed in their attempts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Re-iNcarnated 02/23/18 5:20:04 AM #129:	Republic of Korea has 0 deaths? North Korea is the best country in the world, who would've known. <cite>Re-iNcarnated posted [p:896612086] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote>Republic of Korea has 0 deaths? North Korea is the best country in the world, who would've known.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReignFury 02/23/18 5:23:49 AM #130:	MaverickXeo posted... CiIantro posted... Milkman5 posted... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate America is rank 94 America is rank 11. Right between Uruguay and Montenegro. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate Firearm 'deaths' equals deaths by suicide as well, which does NOT lead to a 'gun problem' but a mental health problem. As mentioned, it can also mean 'accidental' deaths since it is only 'related' to firearms. 'Related' could also mean someone was killed in self defense, or that maybe the gun was a target of theft and the owner was killed for resisted, etc. In other words, its a really misleading statistic. Firearms also account for 50% of suicides, probably due to availability and ease of use. Much easier and more reliable to blow your brains out than cut your wrists --- MAKE WAKANDA GREAT AGAIN http://i.giftrunk.com/rv4b2c.gif <cite>ReignFury posted [p:896612145] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote><cite>MaverickXeo posted...</cite> <quote><cite>CiIantro posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Milkman5 posted...</cite> <quote>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate America is rank 94</quote> America is rank 11. Right between Uruguay and Montenegro. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate</quote> Firearm 'deaths' equals deaths by suicide as well, which does NOT lead to a 'gun problem' but a mental health problem. As mentioned, it can also mean 'accidental' deaths since it is only 'related' to firearms. 'Related' could also mean someone was killed in self defense, or that maybe the gun was a target of theft and the owner was killed for resisted, etc. In other words, its a really misleading statistic.</quote> Firearms also account for 50% of suicides, probably due to availability and ease of use. Much easier and more reliable to blow your brains out than cut your wrists</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NinjaBreakfast 02/23/18 5:57:15 AM #131:	AvantgardeAClue posted... We also have WAY more people than Japan God why are you so fucking stupid thomp --- http://i.imgur.com/nGZeEqw.png Do you really think you can beat me? <cite>NinjaBreakfast posted [p:896612762] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote><cite>AvantgardeAClue posted...</cite> <quote>We also have WAY more people than Japan</quote> God why are you so fucking stupid thomp</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sativa_Rose 02/23/18 6:05:53 AM #132:	You should look at the stats for all types of homicides. Why? Because gun ownership prevents some crimes too. There are people who could be killed by knives or something who end up defending themselves with a gun (not even necessarily firing it, just brandishing it can be enough) Japan is obviously still lower than the US in homicide rate, but when you look at the overall rate, you see the US is only about 2.5x higher than say Belgium, and there are actually certain states in the US with lower homicide rates than Belgium, including some with virtually no gun control. --- I may not go down in history, but I will go down on your sister. <cite>Sativa_Rose posted [p:896612932] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote>You should look at the stats for all types of homicides. Why? Because gun ownership prevents some crimes too. There are people who could be killed by knives or something who end up defending themselves with a gun (not even necessarily firing it, just brandishing it can be enough) Japan is obviously still lower than the US in homicide rate, but when you look at the overall rate, you see the US is only about 2.5x higher than say Belgium, and there are actually certain states in the US with lower homicide rates than Belgium, including some with virtually no gun control.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kenny_Mayne 02/23/18 6:20:43 AM #133:	APM posted... Well this country has a shit ton of those people and Japan is full of Japanese people. You really can't compare. Fact. --- Original #1 seahawks fan est. 2013. Not changing sig until they move the seahawks, mariners, sounders to Oklahoma City <cite>Kenny_Mayne posted [p:896613245] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote><cite>APM posted...</cite> <quote>Well this country has a shit ton of those people and Japan is full of Japanese people. You really can't compare.</quote> Fact.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 02/23/18 6:34:55 AM #134:	Sayoria posted... AvantgardeAClue posted... We also have WAY more people than Japan Even if you average it out, we still have a hell of a lot more. Japan is about the size of California. How many gun deaths do you think happened in Cali? More or less than 13? Japan's population density is probably higher then. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:896613505] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sayoria posted...</cite> <quote><cite>AvantgardeAClue posted...</cite> <quote>We also have WAY more people than Japan</quote> Even if you average it out, we still have a hell of a lot more. Japan is about the size of California. How many gun deaths do you think happened in Cali? More or less than 13?</quote> Japan's population density is probably higher then.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReignFury 02/23/18 6:43:41 AM #135:	Sativa_Rose posted... You should look at the stats for all types of homicides. Why? Because gun ownership prevents some crimes too. There are people who could be killed by knives or something who end up defending themselves with a gun (not even necessarily firing it, just brandishing it can be enough) Japan is obviously still lower than the US in homicide rate, but when you look at the overall rate, you see the US is only about 2.5x higher than say Belgium, and there are actually certain states in the US with lower homicide rates than Belgium, including some with virtually no gun control. The lowest is Massachusetts with 3.4 per 100,000 --- MAKE WAKANDA GREAT AGAIN http://i.giftrunk.com/rv4b2c.gif <cite>ReignFury posted [p:896613655] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote>You should look at the stats for all types of homicides. Why? Because gun ownership prevents some crimes too. There are people who could be killed by knives or something who end up defending themselves with a gun (not even necessarily firing it, just brandishing it can be enough) Japan is obviously still lower than the US in homicide rate, but when you look at the overall rate, you see the US is only about 2.5x higher than say Belgium, and there are actually certain states in the US with lower homicide rates than Belgium, including some with virtually no gun control.</quote> The lowest is Massachusetts with 3.4 per 100,000</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
B0bSaget 02/23/18 7:07:32 AM #136:	How many are from suicide? How many are in extremely high crime areas? What would it look like if both of those problems were reduced significantly? This narrative is just as bad as the idea that there is no issue at all. Proposing stricter gun laws won't change anything in those cases because those people already have guns. Gun laws enacted now will only help people decades down the line with such problems. Certainly work towards better gun laws. That will always be a good thing, but people trying to blame everything on guns are just missing other issues. <cite>B0bSaget posted [p:896614131] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote>How many are from suicide? How many are in extremely high crime areas? What would it look like if both of those problems were reduced significantly? This narrative is just as bad as the idea that there is no issue at all. Proposing stricter gun laws won't change anything in those cases because those people already have guns. Gun laws enacted now will only help people decades down the line with such problems. Certainly work towards better gun laws. That will always be a good thing, but people trying to blame everything on guns are just missing other issues.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sativa_Rose 02/23/18 7:50:20 AM #137:	ReignFury posted... Sativa_Rose posted... You should look at the stats for all types of homicides. Why? Because gun ownership prevents some crimes too. There are people who could be killed by knives or something who end up defending themselves with a gun (not even necessarily firing it, just brandishing it can be enough) Japan is obviously still lower than the US in homicide rate, but when you look at the overall rate, you see the US is only about 2.5x higher than say Belgium, and there are actually certain states in the US with lower homicide rates than Belgium, including some with virtually no gun control. The lowest is Massachusetts with 3.4 per 100,000 Nope, New Hampshire with 1.3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_homicide_rate --- I may not go down in history, but I will go down on your sister. <cite>Sativa_Rose posted [p:896615128] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote><cite>ReignFury posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote>You should look at the stats for all types of homicides. Why? Because gun ownership prevents some crimes too. There are people who could be killed by knives or something who end up defending themselves with a gun (not even necessarily firing it, just brandishing it can be enough) Japan is obviously still lower than the US in homicide rate, but when you look at the overall rate, you see the US is only about 2.5x higher than say Belgium, and there are actually certain states in the US with lower homicide rates than Belgium, including some with virtually no gun control.</quote> The lowest is Massachusetts with 3.4 per 100,000</quote> Nope, New Hampshire with 1.3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_homicide_rate</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RE_expert44 02/23/18 7:57:16 AM #138:	Remove all the gang violence and what do the numbers look like? --- RESIDENT EVIL COMMUNITY BOARD http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/1074-resident-evil-past-present-and-future <cite>RE_expert44 posted [p:896615316] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote>Remove all the gang violence and what do the numbers look like?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReignFury 02/23/18 10:38:15 AM #139:	Sativa_Rose posted... ReignFury posted... Sativa_Rose posted... You should look at the stats for all types of homicides. Why? Because gun ownership prevents some crimes too. There are people who could be killed by knives or something who end up defending themselves with a gun (not even necessarily firing it, just brandishing it can be enough) Japan is obviously still lower than the US in homicide rate, but when you look at the overall rate, you see the US is only about 2.5x higher than say Belgium, and there are actually certain states in the US with lower homicide rates than Belgium, including some with virtually no gun control. The lowest is Massachusetts with 3.4 per 100,000 Nope, New Hampshire with 1.3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_homicide_rate Youre comparing New Hampshires gun homicide rate to Belgiums total gun crime rate which includes suicide --- MAKE WAKANDA GREAT AGAIN http://i.giftrunk.com/rv4b2c.gif <cite>ReignFury posted [p:896621343] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ReignFury posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote>You should look at the stats for all types of homicides. Why? Because gun ownership prevents some crimes too. There are people who could be killed by knives or something who end up defending themselves with a gun (not even necessarily firing it, just brandishing it can be enough) Japan is obviously still lower than the US in homicide rate, but when you look at the overall rate, you see the US is only about 2.5x higher than say Belgium, and there are actually certain states in the US with lower homicide rates than Belgium, including some with virtually no gun control.</quote> The lowest is Massachusetts with 3.4 per 100,000</quote> Nope, New Hampshire with 1.3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_homicide_rate</quote> Youre comparing New Hampshires gun homicide rate to Belgiums total gun crime rate which includes suicide</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KingCrabCake 02/23/18 10:43:25 AM #140:	What happens if you take out the gun deaths in the shitty cities like Chicago, Detroit, New Orleans , and a few other ones --- [Your sig sucks] Waaaaah <cite>KingCrabCake posted [p:896621623] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote>What happens if you take out the gun deaths in the shitty cities like Chicago, Detroit, New Orleans , and a few other ones</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sativa_Rose 02/23/18 2:35:34 PM #141:	ReignFury posted... Sativa_Rose posted... ReignFury posted... Sativa_Rose posted... You should look at the stats for all types of homicides. Why? Because gun ownership prevents some crimes too. There are people who could be killed by knives or something who end up defending themselves with a gun (not even necessarily firing it, just brandishing it can be enough) Japan is obviously still lower than the US in homicide rate, but when you look at the overall rate, you see the US is only about 2.5x higher than say Belgium, and there are actually certain states in the US with lower homicide rates than Belgium, including some with virtually no gun control. The lowest is Massachusetts with 3.4 per 100,000 Nope, New Hampshire with 1.3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_homicide_rate Youre comparing New Hampshires gun homicide rate to Belgiums total gun crime rate which includes suicide You must have missed the part where I specifically stated why it's important to look at overall homicide rate. Also it's really dumb to include gun suicides but exclude non-gun suicides, countries like South Korea and Japan have almost no gun suicides but really high suicide rates (higher than US) even though they have almost 0 guns. also Belgium is most recently at 1.95 according to these stats https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate --- I may not go down in history, but I will go down on your sister. <cite>Sativa_Rose posted [p:896634391] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote><cite>ReignFury posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ReignFury posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote>You should look at the stats for all types of homicides. Why? Because gun ownership prevents some crimes too. There are people who could be killed by knives or something who end up defending themselves with a gun (not even necessarily firing it, just brandishing it can be enough) Japan is obviously still lower than the US in homicide rate, but when you look at the overall rate, you see the US is only about 2.5x higher than say Belgium, and there are actually certain states in the US with lower homicide rates than Belgium, including some with virtually no gun control.</quote> The lowest is Massachusetts with 3.4 per 100,000</quote> Nope, New Hampshire with 1.3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_homicide_rate</quote> Youre comparing New Hampshires gun homicide rate to Belgiums total gun crime rate which includes suicide</quote> You must have missed the part where I specifically stated why it's important to look at overall homicide rate. Also it's really dumb to include gun suicides but exclude non-gun suicides, countries like South Korea and Japan have almost no gun suicides but really high suicide rates (higher than US) even though they have almost 0 guns. also Belgium is most recently at 1.95 according to these stats https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gatorsPENSbucs 02/23/18 2:37:14 PM #142:	South central LA probably had that many in the past 2 minutes. --- http://m.imgur.com/BtD5etN?r https://m.imgur.com/a/jclul http://i.imgtc.com/etNW2apANm.jpg <cite>gatorsPENSbucs posted [p:896634477] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote>South central LA probably had that many in the past 2 minutes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CyricZ 02/23/18 2:38:17 PM #143:	Yes, but how many severe bike beatings did they have in Kamurocho specifically? --- CyricZ <cite>CyricZ posted [p:896634535] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote>Yes, but how many severe bike beatings did they have in Kamurocho specifically?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReignFury 02/23/18 3:14:40 PM #144:	Sativa_Rose posted... ReignFury posted... Sativa_Rose posted... ReignFury posted... Sativa_Rose posted... You should look at the stats for all types of homicides. Why? Because gun ownership prevents some crimes too. There are people who could be killed by knives or something who end up defending themselves with a gun (not even necessarily firing it, just brandishing it can be enough) Japan is obviously still lower than the US in homicide rate, but when you look at the overall rate, you see the US is only about 2.5x higher than say Belgium, and there are actually certain states in the US with lower homicide rates than Belgium, including some with virtually no gun control. The lowest is Massachusetts with 3.4 per 100,000 Nope, New Hampshire with 1.3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_homicide_rate Youre comparing New Hampshires gun homicide rate to Belgiums total gun crime rate which includes suicide You must have missed the part where I specifically stated why it's important to look at overall homicide rate. Also it's really dumb to include gun suicides but exclude non-gun suicides, countries like South Korea and Japan have almost no gun suicides but really high suicide rates (higher than US) even though they have almost 0 guns. also Belgium is most recently at 1.95 according to these stats https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate If we're cherrypicking our least violent state and comparing it to other countries it definitely makes us look marginally better. --- MAKE WAKANDA GREAT AGAIN http://i.giftrunk.com/rv4b2c.gif <cite>ReignFury posted [p:896636564] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ReignFury posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ReignFury posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote>You should look at the stats for all types of homicides. Why? Because gun ownership prevents some crimes too. There are people who could be killed by knives or something who end up defending themselves with a gun (not even necessarily firing it, just brandishing it can be enough) Japan is obviously still lower than the US in homicide rate, but when you look at the overall rate, you see the US is only about 2.5x higher than say Belgium, and there are actually certain states in the US with lower homicide rates than Belgium, including some with virtually no gun control.</quote> The lowest is Massachusetts with 3.4 per 100,000</quote> Nope, New Hampshire with 1.3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_homicide_rate</quote> Youre comparing New Hampshires gun homicide rate to Belgiums total gun crime rate which includes suicide</quote> You must have missed the part where I specifically stated why it's important to look at overall homicide rate. Also it's really dumb to include gun suicides but exclude non-gun suicides, countries like South Korea and Japan have almost no gun suicides but really high suicide rates (higher than US) even though they have almost 0 guns. also Belgium is most recently at 1.95 according to these stats https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate</quote> If we're cherrypicking our least violent state and comparing it to other countries it definitely makes us look marginally better.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sativa_Rose 02/23/18 3:17:25 PM #145:	ReignFury posted... Sativa_Rose posted... ReignFury posted... Sativa_Rose posted... ReignFury posted... Sativa_Rose posted... You should look at the stats for all types of homicides. Why? Because gun ownership prevents some crimes too. There are people who could be killed by knives or something who end up defending themselves with a gun (not even necessarily firing it, just brandishing it can be enough) Japan is obviously still lower than the US in homicide rate, but when you look at the overall rate, you see the US is only about 2.5x higher than say Belgium, and there are actually certain states in the US with lower homicide rates than Belgium, including some with virtually no gun control. The lowest is Massachusetts with 3.4 per 100,000 Nope, New Hampshire with 1.3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_homicide_rate Youre comparing New Hampshires gun homicide rate to Belgiums total gun crime rate which includes suicide You must have missed the part where I specifically stated why it's important to look at overall homicide rate. Also it's really dumb to include gun suicides but exclude non-gun suicides, countries like South Korea and Japan have almost no gun suicides but really high suicide rates (higher than US) even though they have almost 0 guns. also Belgium is most recently at 1.95 according to these stats https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate If we're cherrypicking our least violent state and comparing it to other countries it definitely makes us look marginally better. The US has a higher homicide rate than any other country with a comparable standard of living, but it's not astronomically higher as is suggested by much of the media. It's more like 2.5 - 5x as high, which is still significant, but the media will have you believing its hundreds or thousands of times higher. Also, it's important to note that the US has had to deal with a lot more demographic diversity, having been a former slave colony and also super open to immigration. It's a lot easier for a country that doesn't meet either of those descriptions to have a lower homicide rate. --- I may not go down in history, but I will go down on your sister. <cite>Sativa_Rose posted [p:896636708] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote><cite>ReignFury posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ReignFury posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ReignFury posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote>You should look at the stats for all types of homicides. Why? Because gun ownership prevents some crimes too. There are people who could be killed by knives or something who end up defending themselves with a gun (not even necessarily firing it, just brandishing it can be enough) Japan is obviously still lower than the US in homicide rate, but when you look at the overall rate, you see the US is only about 2.5x higher than say Belgium, and there are actually certain states in the US with lower homicide rates than Belgium, including some with virtually no gun control.</quote> The lowest is Massachusetts with 3.4 per 100,000</quote> Nope, New Hampshire with 1.3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_homicide_rate</quote> Youre comparing New Hampshires gun homicide rate to Belgiums total gun crime rate which includes suicide</quote> You must have missed the part where I specifically stated why it's important to look at overall homicide rate. Also it's really dumb to include gun suicides but exclude non-gun suicides, countries like South Korea and Japan have almost no gun suicides but really high suicide rates (higher than US) even though they have almost 0 guns. also Belgium is most recently at 1.95 according to these stats https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate</quote> If we're cherrypicking our least violent state and comparing it to other countries it definitely makes us look marginally better.</quote> The US has a higher homicide rate than any other country with a comparable standard of living, but it's not astronomically higher as is suggested by much of the media. It's more like 2.5 - 5x as high, which is still significant, but the media will have you believing its hundreds or thousands of times higher. Also, it's important to note that the US has had to deal with a lot more demographic diversity, having been a former slave colony and also super open to immigration. It's a lot easier for a country that doesn't meet either of those descriptions to have a lower homicide rate.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GiftedACIII 02/23/18 4:25:48 PM #146:	@Re-iNcarnated posted... Republic of Korea has 0 deaths? North Korea is the best country in the world, who would've known. You're joking right? That's South Korea --- </topic> <cite>GiftedACIII posted [p:896640544] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote><cite>@Re-iNcarnated posted...</cite> <quote>Republic of Korea has 0 deaths? North Korea is the best country in the world, who would've known.</quote> You're joking right? That's South Korea</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Re-iNcarnated 02/23/18 4:36:06 PM #147:	GiftedACIII posted... @Re-iNcarnated posted... Republic of Korea has 0 deaths? North Korea is the best country in the world, who would've known. You're joking right? That's South Korea North Korea is the BEST Korea, so it'd only make sense that they'd take the name of the Republic of Korea from it's puny neighbor. <cite>Re-iNcarnated posted [p:896641144] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>@Re-iNcarnated posted...</cite> <quote>Republic of Korea has 0 deaths? North Korea is the best country in the world, who would've known.</quote> You're joking right? That's South Korea</quote> North Korea is the BEST Korea, so it'd only make sense that they'd take the name of the Republic of Korea from it's puny neighbor.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 02/23/18 4:49:44 PM #148:	Re-iNcarnated posted... GiftedACIII posted... @Re-iNcarnated posted... Republic of Korea has 0 deaths? North Korea is the best country in the world, who would've known. You're joking right? That's South Korea North Korea is the BEST Korea, so it'd only make sense that they'd take the name of the Republic of Korea from it's puny neighbor. Shut up Ruskie. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:896641942] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote><cite>Re-iNcarnated posted...</cite> <quote><cite>GiftedACIII posted...</cite> <quote><cite>@Re-iNcarnated posted...</cite> <quote>Republic of Korea has 0 deaths? North Korea is the best country in the world, who would've known.</quote> You're joking right? That's South Korea</quote> North Korea is the BEST Korea, so it'd only make sense that they'd take the name of the Republic of Korea from it's puny neighbor.</quote> Shut up Ruskie.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ReignFury 02/23/18 5:49:35 PM #149:	Sativa_Rose posted... ReignFury posted... Sativa_Rose posted... ReignFury posted... Sativa_Rose posted... ReignFury posted... Sativa_Rose posted... You should look at the stats for all types of homicides. Why? Because gun ownership prevents some crimes too. There are people who could be killed by knives or something who end up defending themselves with a gun (not even necessarily firing it, just brandishing it can be enough) Japan is obviously still lower than the US in homicide rate, but when you look at the overall rate, you see the US is only about 2.5x higher than say Belgium, and there are actually certain states in the US with lower homicide rates than Belgium, including some with virtually no gun control. The lowest is Massachusetts with 3.4 per 100,000 Nope, New Hampshire with 1.3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_homicide_rate Youre comparing New Hampshires gun homicide rate to Belgiums total gun crime rate which includes suicide You must have missed the part where I specifically stated why it's important to look at overall homicide rate. Also it's really dumb to include gun suicides but exclude non-gun suicides, countries like South Korea and Japan have almost no gun suicides but really high suicide rates (higher than US) even though they have almost 0 guns. also Belgium is most recently at 1.95 according to these stats https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate If we're cherrypicking our least violent state and comparing it to other countries it definitely makes us look marginally better. The US has a higher homicide rate than any other country with a comparable standard of living, but it's not astronomically higher as is suggested by much of the media. It's more like 2.5 - 5x as high, which is still significant, but the media will have you believing its hundreds or thousands of times higher. Also, it's important to note that the US has had to deal with a lot more demographic diversity, having been a former slave colony and also super open to immigration. It's a lot easier for a country that doesn't meet either of those descriptions to have a lower homicide rate. Id be surprised if its ever been reported or implied that its hundreds of thousands of times higher, the data here suggests its roughly 3-10 times higher. Before we go on Im not actually an anti-gun person I just think its futile to impliment gun laws when there are more guns than people, with that said Im not a fan of hyperbole and I think it should always be clear about the bed we've made for ourselves. --- MAKE WAKANDA GREAT AGAIN http://i.giftrunk.com/rv4b2c.gif <cite>ReignFury posted [p:896645221] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote><cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ReignFury posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ReignFury posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote><cite>ReignFury posted...</cite> <quote><cite>Sativa_Rose posted...</cite> <quote>You should look at the stats for all types of homicides. Why? Because gun ownership prevents some crimes too. There are people who could be killed by knives or something who end up defending themselves with a gun (not even necessarily firing it, just brandishing it can be enough) Japan is obviously still lower than the US in homicide rate, but when you look at the overall rate, you see the US is only about 2.5x higher than say Belgium, and there are actually certain states in the US with lower homicide rates than Belgium, including some with virtually no gun control.</quote> The lowest is Massachusetts with 3.4 per 100,000</quote> Nope, New Hampshire with 1.3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_homicide_rate</quote> Youre comparing New Hampshires gun homicide rate to Belgiums total gun crime rate which includes suicide</quote> You must have missed the part where I specifically stated why it's important to look at overall homicide rate. Also it's really dumb to include gun suicides but exclude non-gun suicides, countries like South Korea and Japan have almost no gun suicides but really high suicide rates (higher than US) even though they have almost 0 guns. also Belgium is most recently at 1.95 according to these stats https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate</quote> If we're cherrypicking our least violent state and comparing it to other countries it definitely makes us look marginally better.</quote> The US has a higher homicide rate than any other country with a comparable standard of living, but it's not astronomically higher as is suggested by much of the media. It's more like 2.5 - 5x as high, which is still significant, but the media will have you believing its hundreds or thousands of times higher. Also, it's important to note that the US has had to deal with a lot more demographic diversity, having been a former slave colony and also super open to immigration. It's a lot easier for a country that doesn't meet either of those descriptions to have a lower homicide rate.</quote> Id be surprised if its ever been reported or implied that its hundreds of thousands of times higher, the data here suggests its roughly 3-10 times higher. Before we go on Im not actually an anti-gun person I just think its futile to impliment gun laws when there are more guns than people, with that said Im not a fan of hyperbole and I think it should always be clear about the bed we've made for ourselves.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
545x39 02/23/18 6:03:52 PM #150:	Mr_Biscuit posted... The fact that all these countries have gun control is a COINCIDENCE spun by LIBERALS to take my GUNS which serve as a SURROGATE for my SMALL PENIS Yeah, guns equate to small penises, which is why libs love to grab them. --- Freya weeps upon her golden throne. https://i.imgtc.com/dD8IIcQ.jpg <cite>545x39 posted [p:896645996] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote><cite>Mr_Biscuit posted...</cite> <quote>The fact that all these countries have gun control is a COINCIDENCE spun by LIBERALS to take my GUNS which serve as a SURROGATE for my SMALL PENIS</quote> Yeah, guns equate to small penises, which is why libs love to grab them.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 02/23/18 6:05:12 PM #151:	Nice try, chap. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:896646076] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote>Nice try, chap.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CiIantro 02/24/18 12:58:54 AM #152:	bump <cite>CiIantro posted [p:896665840] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote>bump</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MutantJohn 02/24/18 1:02:30 AM #153:	That's what, like 300 a state? --- "Oh, my mother; oh, my friends, ask the angels, will I ever see heaven again?" - Laura Marling <cite>MutantJohn posted [p:896665965] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote>That's what, like 300 a state?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kineth 02/24/18 4:23:46 AM #154:	MutantJohn posted... That's what, like 300 a state? 10.2/100k * 350/350 = 420/350million 420/50 = 8.4/state Wait... I saw the 15000 number. So yeah. 300/state. That 8.4 did seem a little low. --- If you're not looking for any honest discussion, agreement, meeting halfway or middle ground, don't bother arguing with me. Selfish narcissists need not apply. <cite>Kineth posted [p:896671131] in Japan had ... [t:76348202]...</cite> <quote><cite>MutantJohn posted...</cite> <quote>That's what, like 300 a state?</quote> 10.2/100k * 350/350 = 420/350million 420/50 = 8.4/state Wait... I saw the 15000 number. So yeah. 300/state. That 8.4 did seem a little low.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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