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Shuto-uke
02/17/18 8:14:57 AM
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https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/16/us/exclusive-school-shooter-instagram-group/index.html?no-st=1518872850

Read the article. Apparently the school shooter had made comments about wanting to kill minorities and immigrants used racial slurs and admired trump sort of like Stan admired Eminem in that music video.

The administration has to stop encouraging these people to engage in these senseless acts of violence.
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twitterfriends
02/17/18 8:20:31 AM
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"My real mom was a Jew. I am glad I never met her."

... that makes you Jewish too, I never get these people like JonTron they often self hate their heritage and background
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bevan306
02/17/18 8:22:36 AM
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I hope those in the group chat feel good about all this
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The Admiral
02/17/18 8:22:38 AM
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This is a great example of why instilling people with a victim complex is so dangerous.
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Shuto-uke
02/17/18 8:23:17 AM
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twitterfriends posted...
"My real mom was a Jew. I am glad I never met her."

... that makes you Jewish too, I never get these people like JonTron they often self hate their heritage and background


Yeah and then the article mentions he wants to kill immigrants. And that he wants to kill Mexicans too, specifically. And that he admires trump.

So he hates his real mother because she is Jewish. And he was adopted by a Hispanic family of immigrants, without which he would be on the streets. Yet he hates those too. Dude is amazingly stupid.
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Shuto-uke
02/17/18 8:24:41 AM
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bevan306 posted...
I hope those in the group chat feel good about all this


They should all be investigated.

The Admiral posted...
This is a great example of why instilling people with a victim complex is so dangerous.


This is such a weird response. It is almost like youre trying to deflect from the fact that this guy was inspired by trump and the alt right, which puts us all in danger, which is the point of this topic.
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Antifar
02/17/18 8:26:21 AM
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Shuto-uke posted...
The administration has to stop encouraging these people to engage in these senseless acts of violence.

God knows I'm a Trump critic, but I think this is a bit much
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Shuto-uke
02/17/18 8:28:03 AM
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Antifar posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
The administration has to stop encouraging these people to engage in these senseless acts of violence.

God knows I'm a Trump critic, but I think this is a bit much


How so? Hear his rhetoric and then listen to what this kid said. Then listen at how he idolized him and wore his maga caps
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The Admiral
02/17/18 8:28:29 AM
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Shuto-uke posted...
bevan306 posted...
I hope those in the group chat feel good about all this


They should all be investigated.

The Admiral posted...
This is a great example of why instilling people with a victim complex is so dangerous.


This is such a weird response. It is almost like youre trying to deflect from the fact that this guy was inspired by trump and the alt right, which puts us all in danger, which is the point of this topic.


The guy wasn't inspired by Trump; he and other people like him were part of the reason Trump was elected. The election empowered him, the same way Obama's election did for other groups with victim complexes. Would be great if we could move away from this identity politics era so this mindset wasn't as prevalent. It's incredibly dangerous to society.
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Mister_Spyker
02/17/18 8:30:12 AM
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The Admiral posted...
This is a great example of why instilling people with a victim complex is so dangerous.

This is a good post.
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Capn Circus
02/17/18 8:30:19 AM
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And you can bet the people who rioted and burned down Baltimore and other cities were Obama supporters. It works both ways
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Shuto-uke
02/17/18 8:33:47 AM
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The Admiral posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
bevan306 posted...
I hope those in the group chat feel good about all this


They should all be investigated.

The Admiral posted...
This is a great example of why instilling people with a victim complex is so dangerous.


This is such a weird response. It is almost like youre trying to deflect from the fact that this guy was inspired by trump and the alt right, which puts us all in danger, which is the point of this topic.


The guy wasn't inspired by Trump; he and other people like him were part of the reason Trump was elected. The election empowered him, the same way Obama's election did for other groups with victim complexes. Would be great if we could move away from this identity politics era so this mindset wasn't as prevalent. It's incredibly dangerous to society.


Yeah this guy is wearing a shirt that has nothing to do with trump:

https://tinyurl.com/y73qgq45

Your obama deflections are bad taste.
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Shuto-uke
02/17/18 8:35:23 AM
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Capn Circus posted...
And you can bet the people who rioted and burned down Baltimore and other cities were Obama supporters. It works both ways


Were they wearing hope caps and shirts? Were they saying I want to kill white people ?
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The Admiral
02/17/18 8:36:04 AM
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This was explained in the post you quoted.
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Capn Circus
02/17/18 8:38:33 AM
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Shuto-uke posted...
Capn Circus posted...
And you can bet the people who rioted and burned down Baltimore and other cities were Obama supporters. It works both ways


Were they wearing hope caps and shirts? Were they saying I want to kill white people ?


Yeah, there's videos on YouTube of them yelling slurs as white people in cars pass, trying to get them out of the cars and throwing rocks at them.

Plenty of videos out there --- take a look
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frozenshock
02/17/18 8:44:35 AM
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Wow that guy sounds completely nuts. And he actually publicly threatened to kill people before doing it for real.
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Shuto-uke
02/17/18 8:44:50 AM
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The Admiral posted...
This was explained in the post you quoted.


Yeah yeah you tried to make this topic about liberals with victim complexes, which were according to you fueled by Obama.

You had 8 years to whine about it, you had no reason to derail this topic trying to make it about this.

This is how the far right works. Now youre expecting me and others to get outraged and post counter-arguments regarding the fact that BLM and the tumblr people are not comparable to white supremacists, then you and other will say they are (lmao) and next thing you know the topic is derailed, because heaven forbid we hold a man who campaigned on anti immigrant, anti Hispanic, anti black rhetoric accountable for his MAGA cap admirer shooting up a school.
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bevan306
02/17/18 8:46:33 AM
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to my knowledge obama didn't throw rocks at cars, so blaming him for other people's bad behavior doesn't work the same way

on the other hand, yeah electing a racist president has emboldened other racists. Some of whom are apparently pretty violent. Who'd have seen that coming
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Capn Circus
02/17/18 8:48:58 AM
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bevan306 posted...
to my knowledge obama didn't throw rocks at cars, so blaming him for other people's bad behavior doesn't work the same way

on the other hand, yeah electing a racist president has emboldened other racists. Some of whom are apparently pretty violent. Who'd have seen that coming


And Trump didn't shoot a school. He's also not racist. Wanting secure borders doesn't equate to racism.
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The Admiral
02/17/18 8:58:23 AM
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Shuto-uke posted...
The Admiral posted...
This was explained in the post you quoted.


Yeah yeah you tried to make this topic about liberals with victim complexes, which were according to you fueled by Obama.

You had 8 years to whine about it, you had no reason to derail this topic trying to make it about this.

This is how the far right works. Now youre expecting me and others to get outraged and post counter-arguments regarding the fact that BLM and the tumblr people are not comparable to white supremacists, then you and other will say they are (lmao) and next thing you know the topic is derailed, because heaven forbid we hold a man who campaigned on anti immigrant, anti Hispanic, anti black rhetoric accountable for his MAGA cap admirer shooting up a school.


I'm sorry if your attempt to blame one side (i.e. the side you don't like) fell flat, but this is a non-partisan issue. Having entire racial groups in the U.S. who feel like they're oppressed and have victim complexes is incredibly dangerous. I doesn't make a difference if those groups are black or white. We know idiots in right-wing media like Alex Jones like to exploit into this and spout rhetoric that people like Cruz buy into. His violent response to feeling oppressed is no different from the violent responses of the people in Ferguson and Baltimore who burned down their cities. Both groups are completely wrong, and these behaviors highlight the extreme problem with creating a society of people who victimized.
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Shuto-uke
02/17/18 8:59:07 AM
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Capn Circus posted...
bevan306 posted...
to my knowledge obama didn't throw rocks at cars, so blaming him for other people's bad behavior doesn't work the same way

on the other hand, yeah electing a racist president has emboldened other racists. Some of whom are apparently pretty violent. Who'd have seen that coming


And Trump didn't shoot a school. He's also not racist. Wanting secure borders doesn't equate to racism.


Oh great we got a /pol/ guy here
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bevan306
02/17/18 9:00:01 AM
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Capn Circus posted...
bevan306 posted...
to my knowledge obama didn't throw rocks at cars, so blaming him for other people's bad behavior doesn't work the same way

on the other hand, yeah electing a racist president has emboldened other racists. Some of whom are apparently pretty violent. Who'd have seen that coming


And Trump didn't shoot a school. He's also not racist. Wanting secure borders doesn't equate to racism.


obama didn't villianize white people or throw rocks at cars. He was a stand up guy in at least two ways. And trump is clearly a racist. I know you're a trump shill so I'm not trying to change your mind
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Nomadic View
02/17/18 9:04:02 AM
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You guys are mean. Using TCs own logic against him. Why cant you just adopt a double standard so that logic doesnt apply to liberals?
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Shuto-uke
02/17/18 9:08:58 AM
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bevan306 posted...
Capn Circus posted...
bevan306 posted...
to my knowledge obama didn't throw rocks at cars, so blaming him for other people's bad behavior doesn't work the same way

on the other hand, yeah electing a racist president has emboldened other racists. Some of whom are apparently pretty violent. Who'd have seen that coming


And Trump didn't shoot a school. He's also not racist. Wanting secure borders doesn't equate to racism.


obama didn't villianize white people or throw rocks at cars. He was a stand up guy in at least two ways. And trump is clearly a racist. I know you're a trump shill so I'm not trying to change your mind


- candidate to president calls Mexicans rapists and criminals (he didnt even use the word illegal)

- candidate to president accidentally puts up picture of German soldiers in his twitter instead of us soldiers

- candidate to president retweets tests from white supremacist accounts several times, despite being called out on it.

- candidate to president retweeted swastikas sometimes.

- candidate to president defends his supporters who beat up and pee on a Hispanic homeless guy, saying theyre passionate and want to MAGA

- candidate to president says that a judge cant be a good judge because he is a Mexican. Said judge was US born and raised.

Gee, why do people say he fueled the racists? LOL
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ilovuuu
02/17/18 9:10:31 AM
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Shuto-uke posted...
Gee, why do people say he fueled the racists? LOL

because he said trayvon could have been his son.

HE'S DIVIDING US
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Shuto-uke
02/17/18 9:13:15 AM
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ilovuuu posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
Gee, why do people say he fueled the racists? LOL

because he said trayvon could have been his son.

HE'S DIVIDING US


*runs around with hands above his head*

Thanks obummer!!!!
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The Admiral
02/17/18 9:13:40 AM
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So whose alt is TC anyway?
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Shuto-uke
02/17/18 9:14:08 AM
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ilovuuu posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
Gee, why do people say he fueled the racists? LOL

because he said trayvon could have been his son.

HE'S DIVIDING US


Also, DIJON MUSTARD!!!

*hugs admiral* the monster! Think of the admirals! :(
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Shuto-uke
02/17/18 9:14:54 AM
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The Admiral posted...
So whose alt is TC anyway?


Why do you keep tying to deflect? You may disagree with me. But trying to derail the topic is vile.

Make your own topic if you want to discuss certain things
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Nomadic View
02/17/18 9:22:22 AM
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Is the same standard being applied to James Hodgkinson (the Bernie Bro Shooter)? Or are liberals held to a lower standard?
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Shuto-uke
02/17/18 9:23:34 AM
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Nomadic View posted...
Is the same standard being applied to James Hodgkinson (the Bernie Bro Shooter)? Or are liberals held to a lower standard?


Did he wear Bernie apparel? Was his shooting race motivated, and inspired by Bernie rhetoric? I have no idea, I am asking honestly.
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Nomadic View
02/17/18 9:26:21 AM
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Shuto-uke posted...
Nomadic View posted...
Is the same standard being applied to James Hodgkinson (the Bernie Bro Shooter)? Or are liberals held to a lower standard?


Did he wear Bernie apparel? Was his shooting race motivated, and inspired by Bernie rhetoric? I have no idea, I am asking honestly.


(1) Yes, he was even a volunteer for Bernies campaign

(2) Not race motivated, but political affiliation motivated. He asked to make sure only Republicans were on the field before opening fire on them, seriously injuring Steve Scalise.

How did you not hear about this? Did CNN seriously not cover it at all?
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Dat_Cracka_Jax
02/17/18 9:29:47 AM
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Tc got rekt in the first few posts and just keeps coming back for more lol
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FursonaNonGrata
02/17/18 9:31:27 AM
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Shuto-uke posted...
The Admiral posted...
So whose alt is TC anyway?


Why do you keep tying to deflect? You may disagree with me. But trying to derail the topic is vile.

Make your own topic if you want to discuss certain things


Admiral has really been worked up over identity politics lately. Coincidentally, this has been happening right around the time that white nationalist rhetoric is facing mainstream scrutiny and backlash, Hollywood has faced a reckoning over sexual assault, and a handful of domestic abusers in positions of power are being outed.
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Shuto-uke
02/17/18 9:32:36 AM
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Nomadic View posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
Nomadic View posted...
Is the same standard being applied to James Hodgkinson (the Bernie Bro Shooter)? Or are liberals held to a lower standard?


Did he wear Bernie apparel? Was his shooting race motivated, and inspired by Bernie rhetoric? I have no idea, I am asking honestly.


(1) Yes, he was even a volunteer for Bernies campaign

(2) Not race motivated, but political affiliation motivated. He asked to make sure only Republicans were on the field before opening fire on them, seriously injuring Steve Scalise.

How did you not hear about this? Did CNN seriously not cover it at all?


Ohhhhh. That guy. Yeah no, no, thats not even similar. Bernie didnt fuel that, give me a break. Bernie isnt the president either, nor is he cool with this sort of stuff. There is no alt-left trying to turn the country into a racial ethnostate, or a.... man, this was such a lame false equivalence.

Guys, this is not a left vs right issue. Racially motivated mass murders are a universally bad thing. Being against it and wanting accountability when it happens shouldnt be a partisan issue. If tomorrow some black guy shoots a bunch of white people and there is a link to Al sharpton or whoever fueling this I would make the same kind of topic as here and call our Sharpton. But today is not that day. So lets not try to deflect and make this about left vs right and deflecting to SJWs or whatever
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Doe
02/17/18 9:48:55 AM
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twitterfriends posted...
like JonTron

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Shuto-uke
02/17/18 9:52:23 AM
#38:


FursonaNonGrata posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
The Admiral posted...
So whose alt is TC anyway?


Why do you keep tying to deflect? You may disagree with me. But trying to derail the topic is vile.

Make your own topic if you want to discuss certain things


Admiral has really been worked up over identity politics lately. Coincidentally, this has been happening right around the time that white nationalist rhetoric is facing mainstream scrutiny and backlash, Hollywood has faced a reckoning over sexual assault, and a handful of domestic abusers in positions of power are being outed.


There is a YouTube video I cant find right now that explains how the far right argues.

If somebody is discussing something they want to shut down they will bring up a straw man. Not just any straw man, but a ridiculous and incredibly dumb straw man. The idea is that people will respond to such straw man because it is so stupid on its face. Then the far right will defend the (obviously wrong) straw man and oxygen will be sucked out of the point they were trying to shut down.

When admiral brought up TEH LIBERALZ!!! And OBUMMER! And then the other guys went like BERNIE BRO KILLER!! Etc, they were doing basically that. They had no reason to deflect whether people in 2008 did the same in the Obama years
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The Admiral
02/17/18 10:56:06 AM
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Let me give you guys a quick lesson. When you make a topic asserting one side is guilty of doing this thing, and someone corrects your bullshit by saying actually, both sides do it and its not a political issue like youre claiming, that isnt deflecting. Its being intellectually honest.

If you guys dont want an actual discussion, just put an echo chamber tag in the title so we all know in advance. Otherwise, stop bitching.
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SomeonesAlt
02/17/18 10:58:13 AM
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Shuto-uke posted...
There is a YouTube video I cant find right now that explains how the far right argues.

Alt right playbook
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaPgDQkmqqM

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Waluigi7
02/17/18 11:01:33 AM
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The Admiral posted...
So whose alt is TC anyway?

Probably Rod
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DanHarenChamp
02/17/18 11:02:01 AM
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2018 and imaging taking admirals bait
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Shuto-uke
02/17/18 2:32:51 PM
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The Admiral posted...
Let me give you guys a quick lesson. When you make a topic asserting one side is guilty of doing this thing, and someone corrects your bullshit by saying actually, both sides do it and its not a political issue like youre claiming, that isnt deflecting. Its being intellectually honest.

If you guys dont want an actual discussion, just put an echo chamber tag in the title so we all know in advance. Otherwise, stop bitching.


You would be wailing and banging on the keyboard if an antifa or liberal had grabbed a weapon and killled people in the name of Soros or whoever your newest boogeyman is, so dont give me that bullshit. Not to mention it is THE PRESIDENT were talking about here
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Shuto-uke
02/17/18 2:34:50 PM
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SomeonesAlt posted...
Shuto-uke posted...
There is a YouTube video I cant find right now that explains how the far right argues.

Alt right playbook
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaPgDQkmqqM


Thank you. This is exactly the video I was referring to. This is what admiral is doing with his people did this under Obama too, and Obama encouraged it too bullshit.

He is trying to control the conversation and he was expecting me and the rest to go and attack his straw man. Not gonna work
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