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Questionmarktarius
02/17/18 2:05:15 AM
#155:


Sativa_Rose posted...
KingCrabCake posted...
Just hang the bitch already
We literally dont need a trial


^ This is about as anti-US Constitution as it gets

Okay. That's a good example, yes.
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I4NRulez
02/17/18 2:14:38 AM
#156:


I feel no sympathy. Dude is a nazi who shot up his old school.

Should burn in hell
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iClockwork
02/17/18 2:14:42 AM
#157:


GiftedACIII posted...
Oh and before your short term memory acts up again, answer this or you'll be confirmed as someone who bullshits and trolls a mass murder for no reason.

Sure present the nuanced question and i'll answer it i'm not going back through 3 pages to answer a strawman.
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GiftedACIII
02/17/18 2:16:51 AM
#158:


iClockwork posted...
GiftedACIII posted...
Oh and before your short term memory acts up again, answer this or you'll be confirmed as someone who bullshits and trolls a mass murder for no reason.

Sure present the nuanced question and i'll answer it i'm not going back through 3 pages to answer a strawman.


So then what did you say, and provide a source to back it up.

You should be able to answer that yourself mr short term memory loss, if you even had a point to begin with.
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Delirious_Beard
02/17/18 2:17:17 AM
#159:


LightningAce11 posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
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IClockwork is trying to be an edgier 2ND rate @UnfairRepresent . There's only room for the one contrarian on this board, so now to the king TC.

I disagree that I am a contrarian.

Lol.


unfair's friends: you're not a contrarian

unfair: i am too!
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iClockwork
02/17/18 2:22:44 AM
#160:


GiftedACIII posted...
You should be able to answer that yourself mr short term memory loss, if you even had a point to begin with.

What did I say about what?

iClockwork posted...
Sure present the nuanced question and i'll answer it i'm not going back through 3 pages to answer a strawman.

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GiftedACIII
02/17/18 2:28:16 AM
#161:


iClockwork posted...
GiftedACIII posted...
You should be able to answer that yourself mr short term memory loss, if you even had a point to begin with.

What did I say about what?

iClockwork posted...
Sure present the nuanced question and i'll answer it i'm not going back through 3 pages to answer a strawman.

lol, figures you'd not only be unable to remember what your own points were in your own topic, you also lack the reading comprehension to go through it. I'm not doing your job for you, and since you've been avoiding posts like mad, it's pretty clear you're just trolling big time. Like you've literally been objectively wrong on everything this whole topic. It's completely embarrassing.
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iClockwork
02/17/18 2:30:04 AM
#162:


GiftedACIII posted...
lol, figures you'd not only be unable to remember what your own points were in your own topic, you also lack the reading comprehension to go through it. I'm not doing your job for you

I've made a couple points and no I don't put enough stock in a CE thread to remember every nuanced argument in a day old thread.

It isn't my job. If you want the question answered than ask it. Happy to answer.

GiftedACIII posted...
and since you've been avoiding posts like mad

I'm here now, ask away.
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Questionmarktarius
02/17/18 2:39:42 AM
#164:


Relevant?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7Q9ZEdOLSE


Given, of course, Due Process.
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GiftedACIII
02/17/18 2:42:27 AM
#165:


iClockwork posted...
I've made a couple points and no I don't put enough stock in a CE thread to remember every nuanced argument in a day old thread.

It isn't my job. If you want the question answered than ask it. Happy to answer.

you: "straw man!"
"ok, so what are you saying"
you:"what am I saying about what?
"What are your points?"
you: "I've made a couple of points but I don't care enough to remember them"
Yeah, ok, dude. You have nothing valid to say so you can only stall and troll. True, it isn't your job. You've just been bullshitting and trolling a mass murder because you have nothing else going on in your life. Thanks for confirming.
iClockwork posted...

I'm here now, ask away

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/76324777/896239232
Do you admit you were talking nonsense with this post?
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iClockwork
02/17/18 2:47:20 AM
#166:


Th3Truth posted...
Oh yeah, having a history of assaulting people and a criminal record suddenly aren't sustained and numerous actions. You can't honestly be this stupid can you?

Could you cite his ongoing criminal record? we'd have to look at what hes been convicted of. I'm willing to admit he isn't remorseful if you can show something other than traffic violations.
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iClockwork
02/17/18 2:49:45 AM
#167:


GiftedACIII posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/76324777/896239232
Do you admit you were talking nonsense with this post?

Nope I stand by the statement anyone is capable of egregious crimes if they are brought up in the right conditions. I misinterpreted your example but it doesn't discredit my own.
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southcoast09
02/17/18 2:51:27 AM
#168:


Second person within thirty days I would like to see get capital punishment.
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GiftedACIII
02/17/18 2:52:16 AM
#169:


iClockwork posted...
GiftedACIII posted...
https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/400-current-events/76324777/896239232
Do you admit you were talking nonsense with this post?

Nope I stand by the statement anyone is capable of egregious crimes if they are brought up in the right conditions. I misinterpreted your example but it doesn't discredit my own.

Yeah, you were talking nonsense about what I did when I clearly said child rape. So now that we have that cleared up. "Anyone can be a child rapist when perfect conditions are met" is what you were saying? I can quote you on that, no misinterpretations?
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iClockwork
02/17/18 3:02:14 AM
#171:


GiftedACIII posted...
Anyone can be a child rapist when perfect conditions are met" is what you were saying?

Anybody could rape a child if the perfect culmination of conditions throughout their life were met.
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StormSignal
02/17/18 3:04:07 AM
#172:


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GiftedACIII
02/17/18 3:05:03 AM
#173:


iClockwork posted...
GiftedACIII posted...
Anyone can be a child rapist when perfect conditions are met" is what you were saying?

Anybody could rape a child if the perfect culmination of conditions throughout their life were met.

So this is what you truly believe, I can quote you on that?
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iClockwork
02/17/18 3:11:25 AM
#174:


GiftedACIII posted...
So this is what you truly believe, I can quote you on that?

Its a fairly accepted philosophical school of thought called Determinism...
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GiftedACIII
02/17/18 3:21:16 AM
#175:


iClockwork posted...
GiftedACIII posted...
So this is what you truly believe, I can quote you on that?

Its a fairly accepted philosophical school of thought called Determinism...

That doesn't mean you personally believe it. Like I said, you're likely a contrarian or a devil's advocate. Nihilism and solipsism are also accepted philosophical school of thoughts and a lot of people don't hold them. I can quote you on actually believing this?
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iClockwork
02/17/18 3:24:00 AM
#176:


GiftedACIII posted...
iClockwork posted...
GiftedACIII posted...
So this is what you truly believe, I can quote you on that?

Its a fairly accepted philosophical school of thought called Determinism...

That doesn't mean you personally believe it. Like I said, you're likely a contrarian or a devil's advocate. I can quote you on actually believing this?

I've been quite cordial in answering your questions for the past hour or so. So i'll ask if you believe that and why or why not. Then I'll answer what I believe.
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GiftedACIII
02/17/18 3:29:06 AM
#177:


iClockwork posted...
GiftedACIII posted...
iClockwork posted...
GiftedACIII posted...
So this is what you truly believe, I can quote you on that?

Its a fairly accepted philosophical school of thought called Determinism...

That doesn't mean you personally believe it. Like I said, you're likely a contrarian or a devil's advocate. I can quote you on actually believing this?

I've been quite cordial in answering your questions for the past hour or so. So i'll ask if you believe that and why or why not. Then I'll answer what I believe.


Some philosophers have taken determinism to imply that individual human beings have no free will and cannot be held morally responsible for their actions.

I think this is horseshit and I'll need a source that most philosophers/lawmakers believe it.
Like I said, existential/moral nihilism and solipsism are also accepted philosophical ideals and many would (rightfully) say they're crazy.
So yes or no, can I quote you on it? You're avoiding posts again.

You posted "you were happy to answer and to ask away". You lying again?
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iClockwork
02/17/18 3:50:27 AM
#178:


GiftedACIII posted...
You posted "you were happy to answer and to ask away". You lying again?

Nope I answered your question.
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GiftedACIII
02/17/18 3:54:18 AM
#179:


iClockwork posted...
GiftedACIII posted...
You posted "you were happy to answer and to ask away". You lying again?

Nope I answered your question.

You said you stand by that statement but you refuse to answer whether I can quote you on actually believing it, which implies you're just bullshitting and playing the contrarian, as usual. Also, I answered you on what I believe, and you said you'd answer what you'd believe. So, stop stalling and let's have it. If you truly believe something then you'd have no problem with others quoting you on it.
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iClockwork
02/17/18 3:56:46 AM
#180:


GiftedACIII posted...
You said you stand by that statement by you refuse to answer whether I can quote you on actually believing it, which implies you're just bullshitting and playing the contrarian, as usual. Also, I answered you on what I believe, and you said you'd answer what you'd believe. So, stop stalling and let's have it. If you truly believe something then you'd have no problem with others quoting you on it.

You're one step away from a meltdown.
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GiftedACIII
02/17/18 4:03:43 AM
#181:


iClockwork posted...
GiftedACIII posted...
You said you stand by that statement by you refuse to answer whether I can quote you on actually believing it, which implies you're just bullshitting and playing the contrarian, as usual. Also, I answered you on what I believe, and you said you'd answer what you'd believe. So, stop stalling and let's have it. If you truly believe something then you'd have no problem with others quoting you on it.

You're one step away from a meltdown.


lol imagine being so cowardly he has to resort to shitposting because he can't back up his posts. So after several dozen posts we're back to where we started with you confirming you're just bullshitting and trolling a mass murder with things you don't believe.
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XXHornDogXX
02/17/18 4:20:47 AM
#182:


Never understood why everyone is so hell bent on the death penalty, as if thats the ultimate form of punishment and bring some sort of retribution to those lost. I understand that what has happened is unfathomably sad, but shouldnt the objective be to help prevent future attacks from happening? Killing him will not bring back the death unfortunately opposed to keeping him alive in which we can study him and learn his motives and how his through process works like we have with countless other serial killers and potentially save lifes in the future. Besides, keeping him in death row will cost everyone a lot more opposed to life and solitary.

Besides, death is the easy way out for these people. Just imagaine a life in super max prison. Solitary confinement for 23 hours a day in a 12x12 cell. No activities, no visitors, eating the same crap food every meal. Zero interaction with humanity for the rest of your life. No way to even kill yourself. I just simply cant imagaine anything worse than just letting your mind rot to sheer insanity from being in solitary confinement. I would rather be ass raped everyday in gen pop and certainly rather die than having to deal with a life in solitary.
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iClockwork
02/17/18 4:21:18 AM
#183:


GiftedACIII posted...
lol imagine being so cowardly he has to resort to shitposting because he can't back up his posts. So after several dozen posts we're back to where we started with you confirming you're just bullshitting and trolling a mass murder with things you don't believe.

Cowardly? I've stated what my stance is and the thoughts that have led me to that conclusion. If you disagree that's fine but quit with the fake outrage and borderline meltdown. It's a bad look.

"C...can...can I pin you down on that exact sentence. I want to quote you on that word for word!" Nobody cares dude. People can read this thread and interpret the meaning just fine.

Calm down.
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iClockwork
02/17/18 4:24:45 AM
#184:


XXHornDogXX posted...
Killing him will not bring back the death unfortunately opposed to keeping him alive in which we can study him and learn his motives and how his through process works like we have with countless other serial killers and potentially save lifes in the future.

Exactly the point I was making in the beginning but a few posters can't grasp this concept it seems and instead try to derail the thread based on some slip up or technicality. It gets old dealing with these dishonest types of arguments.
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Flintgrandad
02/17/18 4:25:30 AM
#185:


Don't worry Gifted. I gotchu fam. I've been looking for a good sig for awhile anyway. And TC can't do shit about it unless he admits he's ashamed of his own posts because he doesn't want people quoting him.
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GiftedACIII
02/17/18 4:33:29 AM
#186:


iClockwork posted...
GiftedACIII posted...
lol imagine being so cowardly he has to resort to shitposting because he can't back up his posts. So after several dozen posts we're back to where we started with you confirming you're just bullshitting and trolling a mass murder with things you don't believe.

Cowardly? I've stated what my stance is and the thoughts that have led me to that conclusion. If you disagree that's fine but quit with the fake outrage and borderline meltdown. It's a bad look.

"C...can...can I pin you down on that exact sentence. I want to quote you on that word for word!" Nobody cares dude. People can read this thread and interpret the meaning just fine.

Calm down.

Nope. You've only been ducking and avoiding responses because you don't have the critical intellect to reasonably respond to arguments and can only respond with fallacies and selectively quoting. Pretty sure that's why most people are calling you out here. Just don't cry about it when people are going to quote you on what you've said, whether you meant it or not.
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Re-iNcarnated
02/17/18 4:36:25 AM
#187:


Since he's a member of the alt-right and white nationalism, I expect a full pardon from Trump and an all paid for scholarship to a college of his choosing, to get his life on back on track.

IT"S OK GAIZ, HE SAID HE"S SRY

2018PRANKSGONEWRONG, SEXUAL??!?
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iClockwork
02/17/18 4:39:47 AM
#188:


Flintgrandad posted...
Don't worry Gifted. I gotchu fam. I've been looking for a good sig for awhile anyway. And TC can't do shit about it unless he admits he's ashamed of his own posts because he doesn't want people quoting him.

Slap it up as your quote. Its a reasonable statement. I'd be honored.

GiftedACIII posted...
Nope. You've only been ducking and avoiding responses because you don't have the critical intellect to reasonably respond to arguments and can only respond with fallacies and selectively quoting. Pretty sure that's why most people are calling you out here. Just don't cry about it when people are going to quote you on what you've said, whether you meant it or not.


Haven't ducked a single question. Saying so doesn't make it true same with "most" people calling me out. I only see you and your meltdown strawman responses. Quite hilarious given you started your responses with an ad hominem.
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Flintgrandad
02/17/18 4:42:59 AM
#189:


iClockwork posted...
Slap it up as your quote. Its a reasonable statement. I'd be honored.


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Re-iNcarnated
02/17/18 4:43:51 AM
#190:


iClockwork posted...
but its a shame another life will be lost because of a momentary lapse in judgement.


holy shit, this is a new level of frightening
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hockeybub89
02/17/18 4:44:11 AM
#191:


I'm sure the families of the victims appreciate his empathy. What a fucking piece of shit.

I also hope he isn't executed.
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GiftedACIII
02/17/18 4:46:40 AM
#192:


iClockwork posted...
Haven't ducked a single question. Saying so doesn't make it true same with "most" people calling me out. I only see you and your meltdown strawman responses. Quite hilarious given you started your responses with an ad hominem.

You've dodged every relevant question to the topic lol. And nah, it's true. What's not true is this meltdown you're accusing me, just because you say so. In fact, it's probably your own meltdown you're seeing since the only meltdown that's happening is the guy making double posts to defend how badly he sympathizes with a mass shooter.
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DemonBuffet
02/17/18 4:47:10 AM
#193:


Imagine being a lawyer who decides to take up the case for a mass shooting, alt-right scumbag like Cruz.
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Questionmarktarius
02/17/18 4:47:53 AM
#194:


hockeybub89 posted...
I also hope he isn't executed.

I fail to see what useful purpose warehousing the guy for seventy or eighty years would serve.
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iClockwork
02/17/18 4:48:49 AM
#195:


GiftedACIII posted...
You've dodged every relevant question to the topic lol.

I mean I answered your questions so what does that imply...oof awkward.

GiftedACIII posted...
making double posts

Yup to respond to people who posted while I was responding the first time.

Keep using ad hominems it further strengthens the evidence of your meltdown.
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iClockwork
02/17/18 4:50:13 AM
#196:


Questionmarktarius posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
I also hope he isn't executed.

I fail to see what useful purpose warehousing the guy for seventy or eighty years would serve.

So that we can help learn about what events in his life led to his decision to shoot up a school. Hopefully from that we could recognize these signs in others and prevent it from happening again.
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GiftedACIII
02/17/18 4:50:43 AM
#197:


iClockwork posted...
I mean I answered your questions so what does that imply...oof awkward.

You haven't actually answered any of my questions so...
iClockwork posted...
while I was responding the first time.

Keep using ad hominems it further strengthens the evidence of your meltdown.

And now you're trying to excuse your own meltdown lol. No ones buying it.
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hockeybub89
02/17/18 4:51:11 AM
#198:


DemonBuffet posted...
Imagine being a lawyer who decides to take up the case for a mass shooting, alt-right scumbag like Cruz.

This is the part where the same people that cite the 2nd Amendment as sacred get wishy washy on the 5th.
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hockeybub89
02/17/18 4:53:11 AM
#199:


Questionmarktarius posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
I also hope he isn't executed.

I fail to see what useful purpose warehousing the guy for seventy or eighty years would serve.

Not being killed. Maybe being studied. A tiny chance he can be somehow be reformed and serve some sort of purpose from inside. I also kind of think it is a worse punishment.
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XXHornDogXX
02/17/18 4:53:16 AM
#200:


Questionmarktarius posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
I also hope he isn't executed.

I fail to see what useful purpose warehousing the guy for seventy or eighty years would serve.

It costs a lot more for capital punishment opposed to life in prison. IMO Supermax (if he gets it) is a fate even worse than death. And if preforming studies on him will help prevent future attacks, then so be it. Any chance and opportunity to save future lives should be taken.
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GiftedACIII
02/17/18 4:54:11 AM
#201:


hockeybub89 posted...
Questionmarktarius posted...
hockeybub89 posted...
I also hope he isn't executed.

I fail to see what useful purpose warehousing the guy for seventy or eighty years would serve.

Not being killed. Maybe being studied. A tiny chance he can be somehow be reformed and serve some sort of purpose from inside.

It's good to think that way but what do you think are the realistic chances of either of that happening?
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iClockwork
02/17/18 4:55:19 AM
#202:


GiftedACIII posted...
You haven't actually answered any of my questions so...

Yup, again saying I haven't doesn't make it true. You can scroll up and read the responses above.

GiftedACIII posted...
And now you're trying to excuse your own meltdown lol. No ones buying it.

Or you can see where I clearly quoted who I was responding too and see I never responded twice to the same post. Feel free to show otherwise.

You're looking more and more desperate.
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EverDownward
02/17/18 4:56:20 AM
#203:


Could one say that he...'Feels the Pain?'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IC9CZyHLn3M

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iClockwork
02/17/18 4:58:06 AM
#204:


GiftedACIII posted...
It's good to think that way but what do you think are the realistic chances of either of that happening?

Psychologists have been doing this for decades with serial killers, murderers related to domestic disputes, arsonists, and child rapists and have implemented this into modern therapies...

It astounds me how little you know for how much you talk...
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UnfairRepresent
02/17/18 4:58:33 AM
#205:


Delirious_Beard posted...
LightningAce11 posted...
UnfairRepresent posted...
Trigg3rH4ppy posted...
IClockwork is trying to be an edgier 2ND rate @UnfairRepresent . There's only room for the one contrarian on this board, so now to the king TC.

I disagree that I am a contrarian.

Lol.


unfair's friends: you're not a contrarian

unfair: i am too!

You're just demonstrating that you don't know what contrarian means.

It does not mean "man who is smarter then me disagreeing with me intelligently who I want to insult"

It means going against popular opinion

E.g 98% of Scientists agree that man made pollution is having a large negative effect on climate change.

So those 2% who don't are contrarians

Being contrarian isn't inheritly good or bad. Atheists are contrarian, Trump supporters, vegetarians, people who liked event horizon are contrarian.

And since I agree with the consensus on a vast majority of things, I am not contrarian.

It does not mean what you think it means.
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