Current Events > America was founded on genocide.

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The blood of the slaughtered Natives still curses this land.

White man came across the sea
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what if the coming of the europeans was the result of an even older curse caused by the blood of warring native tribes
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We are just like any other animals. It's survival of the fittest
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ThePrinceFish posted...

what if the coming of the europeans was the result of an even older curse caused by the blood of warring native tribes

But... they were such a peaceful, and nature loving bunch!
Clearly, Mexico is still cursed by those ruthless Aztecs.

To be fair smallpox did most of the work for us.
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Patty_Fleur posted...

We are just like any other animals. It's survival of the fittest

you should read this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_Aid:_A_Factor_of_Evolution

He brought us pain and misery
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Yea those fucking genocidal Nazi viruses are the worst.

#ResistVirusSupremacy
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dave brought us baconator
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NINExATExSEVEN posted...

Yea those fucking genocidal Nazi viruses are the worst.

#ResistVirusSupremacy

Manifest Destiny, brah!

Genocide and slavery.

Kinda funny as I'm taking a US history class that focuses more on these darker roots. Pretty fucking disgusting, never expected to read about the revolution and actually side with the British.
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ImAMarvel posted...

Well yeah. But people don't like to admit that.

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Almost cut myself on this topic.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZSswJ5ovi4
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Blue_Dream87 posted...

Genocide and slavery.

Kinda funny as I'm taking a US history class that focuses more on these darker roots. Pretty fucking disgusting, never expected to read about the revolution and actually side with the British.

lmao the british were the ones that did the genoside and brought over slaves first. the colonists were british until the revolutionary war. everything before that was all on britain. we gained our independence way after the genoside of native americans
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He killed our tribes, he killed our creed
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Blue_Dream87 posted...

Kinda funny as I'm taking a US history class that focuses more on these darker roots. Pretty fucking disgusting, never expected to read about the revolution and actually side with the British.

Sounds like you're taking a shit class with a terrible teacher.
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Whenever something bad happens, I do tend to point out that the United States was built on top of an Indian burial ground as an excuse.
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What were European countries founded on? Peaceful coexistence?
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They attacked us first )=
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But where did the Natives come from ?

Did they grow out of the ground.

Nothing is gained without taking it from someone else.
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Blue_Dream87 posted...

Genocide and slavery.

Kinda funny as I'm taking a US history class that focuses more on these darker roots. Pretty fucking disgusting, never expected to read about the revolution and actually side with the British.

Lol, if youre getting your mind blown by studying US history and siding with the British... I got some bad news for you if you decide to check out Brit history as well.
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Blue_Dream87 posted...

Genocide and slavery.

Kinda funny as I'm taking a US history class that focuses more on these darker roots. Pretty fucking disgusting, never expected to read about the revolution and actually side with the British.

You can also find that allot of Natives sided with a Confederacy during the Civil War.
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How many of us actually live over an Ancient Indian Burial Ground ?
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He took our game for his own need
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What's happening to the country right now is like what happens in Poltergeist when the girl falls into the mud and the burial ground corpses start popping out of the ground. The scene where the guys pulls his face apart in front of the mirror is like a metaphor for the death that lurks just under the surface of all of us as a result, thin enough to be ripped open like a Fruit Rollup. And then in Poltergeist II the old guy that keeps coming to the door is just like the government and media trying to force its way into our lives, obsessed with getting to our children, and it too reeks of the death that lies beneath us.
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pokemonzero posted...

Blue_Dream87 posted...

Genocide and slavery.

Kinda funny as I'm taking a US history class that focuses more on these darker roots. Pretty fucking disgusting, never expected to read about the revolution and actually side with the British.

lmao the british were the ones that did the genoside and brought over slaves first. the colonists were british until the revolutionary war. everything before that was all on britain. we gained our independence way after the genoside of native americans

It's more the British gave opportunities to slaves for freedom in return for fighting. And I'd make a distinction between colonists and British royalty.

The Admiral posted...

Blue_Dream87 posted...

Kinda funny as I'm taking a US history class that focuses more on these darker roots. Pretty fucking disgusting, never expected to read about the revolution and actually side with the British.

Sounds like you're taking a shit class with a terrible teacher.

He's one of the higher rated professors and gives us 1st hand documents depicting what happened. Apparently he's better at arguing than 90% of CE.
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Lorenzo_2003 posted...

Blue_Dream87 posted...

Genocide and slavery.

Kinda funny as I'm taking a US history class that focuses more on these darker roots. Pretty fucking disgusting, never expected to read about the revolution and actually side with the British.

Lol, if youre getting your mind blown by studying US history and siding with the British... I got some bad news for you if you decide to check out Brit history as well.

Well aware. Everyone has a nasty history, it's just funny how the American education system covered so much up. Also explains a lot of things over our history. I'm still glad the US is independent, but if I was in the revolution, fuck yeah I'd join the red coats or run away.

PrettyBoyFloyd posted...

Blue_Dream87 posted...

Genocide and slavery.

Kinda funny as I'm taking a US history class that focuses more on these darker roots. Pretty fucking disgusting, never expected to read about the revolution and actually side with the British.

You can also find that allot of Natives sided with a Confederacy during the Civil War.

That'll be interesting to read about. Was it more of a we leave each other alone after we gain independence deal?
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I can't fully agree with that statement.

The Spanish and them really fucked up the natives they found in Mesoamerica and such, but the English colonists did not have the same relationship with the natives they encountered. It varied by region because there were different tribes and differently minded colonists but overall relationships with Natives could be downright amicable. In Pennsylvania the Quakers got so friendly that they gave natives guns to help them hunt large game (the Quakers made many other questionable decisions). In the French & Indian War, both sides considered the Natives valuable allies and traded in exchange for guidance and war aid.

North America doesn't get very genocidey until manifest destiny and westward expansion definitively pushes natives fully out of their home grounds

"Founded on slavery" would be more valid on consideration of Virginia's over-specialized tobacco economy. That said, however, the bizarrely structured, aristocratic nature of the colony is argued to have inspired many founding fathers' favor of democracy. Even then, the Declaration of Independence stressed the equality of all and the FFs had intentions of halting slavery, including putting a constitutional limit on the triangular trade
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Doe posted...

I can't fully agree with that statement.

The Spanish and them really fucked up the natives they found in Mesoamerica and such, but the English colonists did not have the same relationship with the natives they encountered. It varied by region because there were different tribes and differently minded colonists but overall relationships with Natives could be downright amicable. In Pennsylvania the Quakers got so friendly that they gave natives guns to help them hunt large game (the Quakers made many other questionable decisions). In the French & Indian War, both sides considered the Natives valuable allies and traded in exchange for guidance and war aid.

North America doesn't get very genocidey until manifest destiny and westward expansion definitively pushes natives fully out of their home grounds

They weren't exactly buddy buddy in the Chesapeake, but AFAIK it did ramp up around manifest destiny with all the relocations. Up until then it was disease and simple warfare.
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

He took our game for his own need

We fought him hard we fought him well

Blue_Dream87 posted...

That'll be interesting to read about. Was it more of a we leave each other alone after we gain independence deal?

Yeah, maybe your amazing history teacher just glosses over those parts.
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But many came, too much for Cree
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Kolibri X posted...

Blue_Dream87 posted...

That'll be interesting to read about. Was it more of a we leave each other alone after we gain independence deal?

Yeah, maybe your amazing history teacher just glosses over those parts.

Or more like history is taught, you know, in chronological order and I'm 4 weeks into the semester.
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Blue_Dream87 posted...

Genocide and slavery.

Kinda funny as I'm taking a US history class that focuses more on these darker roots. Pretty fucking disgusting, never expected to read about the revolution and actually side with the British.

. . .
Uhhhhh you know the Americans were British right
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Doe posted...

Blue_Dream87 posted...

Genocide and slavery.

Kinda funny as I'm taking a US history class that focuses more on these darker roots. Pretty fucking disgusting, never expected to read about the revolution and actually side with the British.

. . .
Uhhhhh you know the Americans were British right

Redcoats, loyalists, you know what I meant.
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Blue_Dream87 posted...

It's more the British gave opportunities to slaves for freedom in return for fighting. And I'd make a distinction between colonists and British royalty.

And uuuhhh who fucking enslaved them in the first place? Hmmmmmmmm whose merchant ships were those
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Kazi1212 posted...

What were European countries founded on? Peaceful coexistence?

Gaul/France was founded upon genocide by the Romans. Caesar murdered 700,000 native civilians in his "Gallic Wars".

Doe posted...

Blue_Dream87 posted...

It's more the British gave opportunities to slaves for freedom in return for fighting. And I'd make a distinction between colonists and British royalty.

And uuuhhh who fucking enslaved them in the first place? Hmmmmmmmm whose merchant ships were those

Doesn't change the fact slaves were offered freedom for fighting with the loyalists. Shit changes over time.
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Ammonitida posted...

Gaul/France was founded upon genocide by the Romans. Caesar murdered 700,000 native civilians in his "Gallic Wars".

Ehh wouldn't it be Roman Empire at that moment? I'd think you'd put the start of France at when the Goths go into the crumbling western half and Francs take up the Gaul region if I'm remembering the last lecture of west in the world correctly
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Ammonitida posted...

Kazi1212 posted...

What were European countries founded on? Peaceful coexistence?

Gaul/France was founded upon genocide by the Romans. Caesar murdered 700,000 native civilians in his "Gallic Wars".

Do you think its likely most regions were founded on the premise of egregious violence, genocidial or otherwise? I recall even Native Americans had warring tribes and the winners settled or expanded into the region of the losers. Maybe thats not genocide, but its certainly egregiously violent in many instances.
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Blue_Dream87 posted...

Doesn't change the fact slaves were offered freedom for fighting with the loyalists. Shit changes over time.

I just don't see it. That provides no moral superiority to the loyalists whatsoever. "Hey if you take some bullets for us then we won't make you work this harsh tobacco crop any more although you'll find no acceptance from us afterwards, you'll likely never see your homeland again regardless assuming you're a recent arrival"
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Doe posted...

if I'm remembering the last lecture of west in the world correctly

It was Roman colonialism, not much different than what happened here in North America. The Franks, a mixture of Italic colonialists and native Celts, achieved independence centuries later.

EnterTheTekken posted...

UnholyMudcrab posted...

He took our game for his own need

We fought him hard we fought him well

out on the plains
we gave him hell
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Doe posted...

Blue_Dream87 posted...

Doesn't change the fact slaves were offered freedom for fighting with the loyalists. Shit changes over time.

I just don't see it. That provides no moral superiority to the loyalists whatsoever. "Hey if you take some bullets for us then we won't make you work this harsh tobacco crop any more although you'll find no acceptance from us afterwards, you'll likely never see your homeland again regardless assuming you're a recent arrival"

I'll respond when I get off work since I'll have to source some shit, but they actually did offer to send then back to Africa (or Canada).
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Blue_Dream87 posted...

I'll respond when I get off work since I'll have to source some shit, but they actually did offer to send then back to Africa (or Canada).

Unless they had an expedition force ready for the people they'd previously bought and enslaved, I cant imagine for them to get them back to places more in mid Africa like Equiano
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